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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Ghetto_D on May 07, 2009, 06:44:32 PM
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Me and my wife were out late (she was driving) I was asleep in the passenger seat. Well we came upon an intersection in the right lane and the light was yellow, about to turn red, my wife slowed down to a slow roll and made the turn as it turned red, the damn thing took a picture and i got a ticket in the mail. The car is registered in my name. And in the picture you can see its a woman but it doesnt look like my wife.
So heres my theory. Im going to call the police department, to have the ticket dismissed. Why on the bassis that the person in the picture isnt me. They cant give a ticket or make me pay for it if i wasnt driving. It says on the ticket if it was not you please state the name and DL of the person who was. I researched and nowhere in the california vehicle code does it say that i forcefully have to give them that info, (what if i dont know the person driving) .
What im going to say is that I went to a party, got piss ass drunk, let a friend of a friend of a friend drive me home, and they ran the red light. I am actually going to go to trial with this.
My question is do you think it will work? Its not me in the picture, the person doesnt look like my wife, and i am just going to stick to the story that i dont know who the fuck the person was.
My wifes drivers license has a different address, so they cant track her with my address.
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its up to them to prove that it was you, dont tell them some bullshit story about a party or whatever. tell them it wasnt you and that you will not be paying for it.
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All that matters is that it's not you. They issued the ticket to you and your not driving, it's marital privilege that it's your wife driving and you don't have to disclose that.
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I don;t think you will help your self by lying. What if they say then give us the address or name of the person that was. If they can't find that person then your story kind of collapses. If it was me I would challenge it based on the traffic laws, if what you did was legal, if not suck it up.
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Are you not allowed to make right hand turns on a red light there???
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Are you not allowed to make right hand turns on a red light there???
She rolled through a red light, its not like she stopped at the red light then took her turn.
The whole idea of fighting it seems pretty stupid imo
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Should work, call the police tell them it isn't you, you don't know who borrowed the car that night. The picture proves it isn't you, case dismissed.
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is it clearly your car and plate number?
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Around here, if you are turning right, the ticket is invalid.
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yeah its my ca,r my plate. Its says your supposed to come to a complete stop, she did what we like to refer as a "california roll" I got woken up by the flash. She says she stoped, i told her she didnt. I saw the video she did a rolling stop. I wanted to kick her ass.
So my only defense is to say i dont know who the fuck that is? and i cant give them the name and drivers license of someone I dont know.
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is it clearly your car and plate number?
How else would they have known where to send the photo? :somb:
Around here, if you are turning right, the ticket is invalid.
Even if you don't stop? Thats interesting
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beat the wife for running a redlight.
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I don't think saying you were piss drunk is going to help your case.
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here in lynnwood wa. they installed those red light cameras thought they would help generate revenue they figured on 10 15k a month !!!!! turns out they are making 10-15k a week i have 3 flatbeds on the road at any givin time went to court to fight it pics are clear as day.... they havent as in the state lost a case yet ... the vehicle is registered to you ... you alone are responsible for your car so good luck with that let us know how it turns out but more than likely your wasting your time
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Pretty much the only way you can get out of it is if the vehicle was stolen... even then they may just make you take that individual to court to pay you.
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I don't think saying you were piss drunk is going to help your case.
+1Pretty much the only way you can get out of it is if the vehicle was stolen... even then they may just make you take that individual to court to pay you.
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pay a cop to burn the evidence for you.
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Around here, if you are turning right, the ticket is invalid.
Even if you don't stop? Thats interesting
Our systems are not that sophisticated, they do not know if you have stopped or are still rolling, and it will take your picture mid turn, and be automatically thrown out.
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the vehicle is registered to you ... you alone are responsible for your car so good luck
That's 100% bullshit. There's no law that says you can't let someone drive your car, and there's no law that says you have to rat out anyone because they can't figure it out.
Here in MN, they had those bullshit cameras, but they were taken out because it was found (in our state) unconstitutional to ticket the owner of the car without proving they were the one driving. It doesn't matter who's driving. If it wasn't you, and they don't have evidence that it was, then ask the judge why you're being cited when nobody can prove you were driving. Fuck the bullshit stories, etc.. that's not your problem. Your problem is that Californias communist government sucks dick, and the camera operators get paid every time they get the state paid. That's why they try to fuck you.
You have the right to say absolutely nothing, at towards the end of the "trial", ask why you're being punished when it's obvious you weren't driving? You have NO obligation to rat on anyone, or anything else.
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In NYC there is a traffic light camera on a very busy main intersection which is very obvious. One time there was an ambulance stuck in heavy traffic with the sirens blaring trying to get people to let them pass, but, not one car was willing to budge past the intersection, for fear of the traffic camera. :-\
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the vehicle is registered to you ... you alone are responsible for your car so good luck
That's 100% bullshit. There's no law that says you can't let someone drive your car, and there's no law that says you have to rat out anyone because they can't figure it out.
Here in MN, they had those bullshit cameras, but they were taken out because it was found (in our state) unconstitutional to ticket the owner of the car without proving they were the one driving. It doesn't matter who's driving. If it wasn't you, and they don't have evidence that it was, then ask the judge why you're being cited when nobody can prove you were driving. Fuck the bullshit stories, etc.. that's not your problem. Your problem is that Californias communist government sucks dick, and the camera operators get paid every time they get the state paid. That's why they try to fuck you.
You have the right to say absolutely nothing, at towards the end of the "trial", ask why you're being punished when it's obvious you weren't driving? You have NO obligation to rat on anyone, or anything else.
speak the truth, here in NH they wont even put them up, all the mofos that open carry around town would shoot them out.
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The company that either does, or used to operate the cameras in California was sued years ago when someone found that they set the picture to go off early, getting the state (and themselves because they make a % of each ticket) paid. That's why red light cameras prove to do nothing but get scumbags paid.
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also im pretty sure that red light cameras increase the amount of rear end collisions, they want to say its for safety but why do we allow that lie. over in europe, mainly UK, they take a tire and fill it with diesel and sling it over the camera and torch the bitch.
ie:
(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Faftermathnews.files.wordpress.com%2F2007%2F12%2Fspeedcam_burning1.jpg&hash=87b49f59708762ec40d2c4b8f3da2a4801e232ba)
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You weren't driving. There is no reason you should be ticketed. I don't see how they can make you disclose who was driving. If they can just say you don't know. It's clearly not you. It doesn't matter if the vehicle is yours. That's how I see it at least.
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There's always a chance that the cop doesn't show up to court. That means automatic case dismissal.
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Well i decided that I am fighting this ticket. My defense is I dont know who the fuck that is driving. I dont know who it is let alone what their drivers license number is.
Thats like getting accused of bank robbery and they have video taped evidence of someone that is clearly not you commiting the robbery and accusing you of doing it.
Fuck that, plus i read into it some more, The city the ticket orriginated in has a contract with the red light Nazi's on a pay per citation basis wich is illegal under a certain law, i dont have the print out here at work but im not going to just bend over and get fucked by the man.
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also im pretty sure that red light cameras increase the amount of rear end collisions, they want to say its for safety but why do we allow that lie. over in europe, mainly UK, they take a tire and fill it with diesel and sling it over the camera and torch the bitch.
ie:
(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Faftermathnews.files.wordpress.com%2F2007%2F12%2Fspeedcam_burning1.jpg&hash=87b49f59708762ec40d2c4b8f3da2a4801e232ba)
that nice fire warms my heart
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also im pretty sure that red light cameras increase the amount of rear end collisions, they want to say its for safety but why do we allow that lie. over in europe, mainly UK, they take a tire and fill it with diesel and sling it over the camera and torch the bitch.
ie:
(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Faftermathnews.files.wordpress.com%2F2007%2F12%2Fspeedcam_burning1.jpg&hash=87b49f59708762ec40d2c4b8f3da2a4801e232ba)
that nice fire warms my heart
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Our red light cameras capture 8 seconds of video of your violation WITH your vehicle speed. They mail you a link/password with your ticket so you can watch it online... it's pretty entertaining.
However, the city ordinance states that all a person has to do (in my town) is say they weren't driving. Ticket dismissed. Most people don't know about this, so I figure 80% of the people pay up without question.
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Always fight things like that. I got a picture mailed of my car running an EZ-PASS toll booth and a fine with no more information about location other than the date and PA Turnpike. I got it dropped with a simple phone call before I even knew what happened.
Then I remembered I pulled into the 'cash' lane and all I had on me was a $20. I assumed the toll would be a few bucks as I was on the pike all day but the booth was fully auto cause the toll was only $.65 which I was a dime short from digging in my seat. I pushed the 'help' button and the bitch in the booth next to mine had to come out and get me change bitching the entire time that she had to step out of her booth. Then the cunt never entered my payment into the lane I was in so I got a ticket for running it.
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Me and my wife were out late (she was driving) I was asleep in the passenger seat. Well we came upon an intersection in the right lane and the light was yellow, about to turn red, my wife slowed down to a slow roll and made the turn as it turned red, the damn thing took a picture and i got a ticket in the mail. The car is registered in my name. And in the picture you can see its a woman but it doesnt look like my wife.
So heres my theory. Im going to call the police department, to have the ticket dismissed. Why on the bassis that the person in the picture isnt me. They cant give a ticket or make me pay for it if i wasnt driving. It says on the ticket if it was not you please state the name and DL of the person who was. I researched and nowhere in the california vehicle code does it say that i forcefully have to give them that info, (what if i dont know the person driving) .
What im going to say is that I went to a party, got piss ass drunk, let a friend of a friend of a friend drive me home, and they ran the red light. I am actually going to go to trial with this.
My question is do you think it will work? Its not me in the picture, the person doesnt look like my wife, and i am just going to stick to the story that i dont know who the fuck the person was.
My wifes drivers license has a different address, so they cant track her with my address.
it will work, simply saying it wasn't you and forcing the govt to prove it was you will work. just don't talk if you want. your way will work. but it opens up a possibly of you incriminating yourself.
If you say, that is not me, when they ask you who it is. do not reply. It will get dismissed.
if you get a really corrupt judge he might still find you guilty, but its like 30 bucks to appeal and it'll get thrown out on appeal.
there are several other defenses to these photo tickets, most are constitutional arguments, the judges and pigs simply laugh and ignore them... because they are corrupt criminals.
you have the federal, and state constitutional rights to confront your accuser, that photo machine can't testify in court, and any evidence obtained from it is hearsay. of course there is this little thing called judicial notice where the state legislature makes a phony decree saying things like photo radar, photo red lights, laser, etc... is all completely reliable and admissible into court no questions asked.
good for you for fighting this ticket, plead not guilty to all tickets, it costs the court more to have the kangaroo trail than you will pay in a ticket.
traffic judges and the cops that write tickets are criminals. they wear suits, ties, and robes... but they are criminals.
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the vehicle is registered to you ... you alone are responsible for your car so good luck
That's 100% bullshit. There's no law that says you can't let someone drive your car, and there's no law that says you have to rat out anyone because they can't figure it out.
+1 these idiotic comments are really pissing me off, you people need to get a fucking clue and your dumbass reasoning is why this country is turning into a police state shit hole.
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You are innocent till proven guilty. The case is between you and the state. Thats it. Thats not you driving, you are innocent. Case dismissed!
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the vehicle is registered to you ... you alone are responsible for your car so good luck
That's 100% bullshit. There's no law that says you can't let someone drive your car, and there's no law that says you have to rat out anyone because they can't figure it out.
+1 these idiotic comments are really pissing me off, you people need to get a fucking clue and your dumbass reasoning is why this country is turning into a police state shit hole.
im not disputing anything you guys are saying !!!! im just stating the facts that i went through that doesnt mean in any way i agree with what happened to me personally am i going to tell the local judge here" judge Moore" to go fuck himself and his cameras absouletly not i have a family to support bills to pay i cant do that sitting in jail !!!! the other time i went in front of this judge he gave me 180 days on a misdemenor charge. so the day you rise up to fight the govt. i will pick up my guns as well untill then ill say yes sir here is 180 bucks for rolling through your red light...its kind of a broad statement to say you guys dont have a clue and are reasoning is why this country is turning into a police state what does my voice do...nothing at all you show me how to change the system i will do everything i can to help!!!! what the fuck are you doing to help change the police state we live in beside sitting on the internet talking shit to someone who is in the same boat as you mother fuker grab a oar and help row
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the vehicle is registered to you ... you alone are responsible for your car so good luck
That's 100% bullshit. There's no law that says you can't let someone drive your car, and there's no law that says you have to rat out anyone because they can't figure it out.
+1 these idiotic comments are really pissing me off, you people need to get a fucking clue and your dumbass reasoning is why this country is turning into a police state shit hole.
im not disputing anything you guys are saying !!!! im just stating the facts that i went through that doesnt mean in any way i agree with what happened to me personally am i going to tell the local judge here" judge Moore" to go fuck himself and his cameras absouletly not i have a family to support bills to pay i cant do that sitting in jail !!!! the other time i went in front of this judge he gave me 180 days on a misdemenor charge. so the day you rise up to fight the govt. i will pick up my guns as well untill then ill say yes sir here is 180 bucks for rolling through your red light...its kind of a broad statement to say you guys dont have a clue and are reasoning is why this country is turning into a police state what does my voice do...nothing at all you show me how to change the system i will do everything i can to help!!!! what the fuck are you doing to help change the police state we live in beside sitting on the internet talking shit to someone who is in the same boat as you mother fuker grab a oar and help row
i fight every ticket i get, no matter what. every time.
you won't get a higher fine for pleading not guilty and going to trial. you won't be put in jail for pleading a case the judge, cops, or prosecutor's don't agree with.
the problem we have with your statement is ITS NOT TRUE. thats it...
you are not responsible if someone else drives your car and runs a red light period. if you know before hand someone is going to go run red lights purposely and you let them take your car, then you might have some sort of minimal responsibility. but not likely in a traffic case.
if someone says they want to go murder someone and you let them drive your car, then you're probably going to get raked over the coals even though you shouldn't.
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it is true here in lynnwood wa. you are guilty untill proven innocent...if i have 3 trucks on the road one of my drivers gets a ticket in it, im still responsible for that truck its registered to the company i pay ticket driver pays me back. im sure not every place is as fucked up as here but the legal system here is some real kangroo shit
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shit .65 cents for toll? we pay $4 here and i think its $5 or 10 on the golden gate
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it is true here in lynnwood wa. you are guilty untill proven innocent...if i have 3 trucks on the road one of my drivers gets a ticket in it, im still responsible for that truck its registered to the company i pay ticket driver pays me back. im sure not every place is as fucked up as here but the legal system here is some real kangroo shit
It's opposite over in Bremerton. When our company vehicles receive the automated (bs) tickets, they are tossed out because they can't prove who is driving.
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shit .65 cents for toll? we pay $4 here and i think its $5 or 10 on the golden gate
I know right? I specifically stopped at the ATM cause I knew there would be tolls and I drove halfway across the next state on the turnpike I expected it to be alot like when I used to drive across NY. Who'd have thought a 20 would be too much money for the toll.
And they wanted something like 25 or 50 for the fine, I'm too lazy to dig out the paperwork I saved in case they lied to me over the phone about dropping it.
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it is true here in lynnwood wa. you are guilty untill proven innocent...if i have 3 trucks on the road one of my drivers gets a ticket in it, im still responsible for that truck its registered to the company i pay ticket driver pays me back. im sure not every place is as fucked up as here but the legal system here is some real kangroo shit
instead of paying the ticket you need to go to court and plead not guilty
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Albert, you weren't driving, you were on vacation that week. Your whole family had use of the car, and they usually have friends that drive it. Your next and only words should be, "Am I free to leave now?"
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Fitting
Sir Mix A Lot ~ One Time's Got No Case (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwLdI947Rk4#lq-lq2-hq-vhq)
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Unrelated, but I haven't heard this song in years.
Sir Mix A Lot ~ I'm Your New God,Cocaine (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhNPLak-oHI&feature=related#lq-lq2-hq-vhq)
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fucking hilarious i love that song
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Are you not allowed to make right hand turns on a red light there???
She rolled through a red light, its not like she stopped at the red light then took her turn.
The whole idea of fighting it seems pretty stupid imo
???wtf is wrong with you? why wouldnt you fight it? haha oh some peoples children ha ha ha ha
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Good luck. You WON'T get out of it. Your car, your responsible unless stolen period. If you loan your car to a friend and he racks up tickets or hits a car you are responsible and would have to go after him or payment. Hell some places if you leave your keys in your car and it's stolen you are liable for any damage done to other property.
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Good luck. You WON'T get out of it. Your car, your responsible unless stolen period. If you loan your car to a friend and he racks up tickets or hits a car you are responsible and would have to go after him or payment. Hell some places if you leave your keys in your car and it's stolen you are liable for any damage done to other property.
shut the fuck up your stupid faggot
this is NOT TRUE.
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get a lawyer
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Good luck. You WON'T get out of it. Your car, your responsible unless stolen period. If you loan your car to a friend and he racks up tickets or hits a car you are responsible and would have to go after him or payment. Hell some places if you leave your keys in your car and it's stolen you are liable for any damage done to other property.
shut the fuck up your stupid faggot
this is NOT TRUE.
You STFU backwoods deer fucker. I speak from personal experience and facts not bs I heard at the klan meeting.
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red also means stop as i was taught in driving school as a kid but maybe the camera was acting up my guess is hmmm she didnt stop
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I got a courtesy notice in the mail today
$456.00 (no traffic school)
$531.00 + traffic school fee (with traffic school)
I called the police department that issued the ticket. They couldnt dismiss it over the phone. I have to go in person, theres a 50/50 chance it could get dismissed on the spot (girl on thephone was cool), if not im going to go to court on June 15
I refuse to just bend over grab my ankles and get sodomized by the government. If im going out, im going out fighting. Imagine how many people just suck it up and pay it and not ask questions. Its your constitutional right as an American to question authority, defy it, challenge it, and not be its bitch.
In the event that im found guilty, I will file for economic hardship, and try to get community service or caltrans or something dumb like that, but im not paying half a months rent because some pencil pusher for the city decided it was a good idea to install these red light cameras to extort revenue for the city.
if camcorders are allowed in the courtroom i would video tape the proceedings. I got my case figured out, and everything, im prepared to hit them from multiple angles.
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get a lawyer
i got a better idea.
don't run redlights :P
HE didnt run the red light...are we missing the point to this thread?
god damn 456 just for a red light ticket??? the ones here are only like 111 now. use to be 101. thats in washington.
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the bottom line is if you can prove you did not do it, you will be found not guilty, no matter where you are.
you have to take the time to fight it, and of course you are guilty until you prove yourself innocent.
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I got a courtesy notice in the mail today
$456.00 (no traffic school)
$531.00 + traffic school fee (with traffic school)
:o :o :o :o :o :o
WTF... I've never heard of those red light tickets being more than about $100. That's INSANE.
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i've never heard of any ticket in CA being less than $100, excpet maybe a 95 dollar seatbelt ticket.