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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: chris on September 26, 2009, 08:19:12 PM
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http://www.epa.gov/ (http://www.epa.gov/)
Numerous importers from California were raided buy the epa in the last 2 weeks. Containers were recylced for scrap metal containing 6 figures worth of parts
From what we are gathering from the laws stated regarding the Epa's right to do this is clear cut. japanesse engines have been and always be illegal. Im only hearing a little hear and there but basically these guys who have been in business for 15+ years are clearing out inventory and calling it quits
lawyers are working for one importer I deal with to see if in any form these engines can be brought legally by breaking them apart so they are not a complete engine but just used parts.
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holy shit, this is bad. the Honda community is already struggling, now the fact that importers are done...fuck
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the honda community alone isn't struggling, the whole country is; This is just another reason california sucks balls!
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Another industry crushed by the iron fist of big government
Small repair shops rely on these not to mention all the clunkers taken out of service that nolonger need repair
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the honda community alone isn't struggling, the whole country is; This is just another reason california sucks balls!
epa is a federal office
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i will update this as I hear more but so far it looks bad. My details right now arent super clear but epa agents raiding importers and recycling conatiners is clearly sending a message,they dont want this stuff in this country
Best part is of course california has smog but how much of this nation doesnt and never will.
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WTF? why would doing this even be on the list of things to do first. i mean who fucking cares.
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California is a big joke on smog, just look at all those wild fires!!!!
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Time to brush up on your rebuilding skills fellas...
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They've been doing this passively for the last two years, if they randomly checked a container it was siezed and if a local port came to associate your name with imported engines then everything you brought in was inspected.
A local importer started importing whole cars to Mexico and driving them across the border. Only to find out they can't get them titled like they used to. I spoke with a local dude who tried to get a RHD JZA80 from them but the kit car application he filed was denied (duh).
Who cares? I like USDM engines anyway, and I prefer to rebuild anything that's 10+ years old and mostly worn out.
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Time to brush up on your rebuilding skills fellas...
That is all fine and dandy as long as you don't blow the bottom end to pieces.
Fuck the EPA. They may very well have good intentions, but as usual with a government run entity, they are misguided.
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Wonder how much of this has to do with the "Cash for Clunkers" destruction process...
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Reading this thread saddens me.
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I guess we all have to go with the newer better rxs's with k series now. Maybe I'll buy a mugen 4dr civic, they are really worth the asking price. Thanks swartzanigger :mexi:
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praise obongo
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only shit i found on the epa's site about that was from 3 years ago?
here (http://yosemite.epa.gov/opa/admpress.nsf/a8f952395381d3968525701c005e65b5/b29833aaafbef0fc852571ab005d1ffb!OpenDocument)
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Wonder how much of this has to do with the "Cash for Clunkers" destruction process...
Good point.
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only shit i found on the epa's site about that was from 3 years ago?
here (http://yosemite.epa.gov/opa/admpress.nsf/a8f952395381d3968525701c005e65b5/b29833aaafbef0fc852571ab005d1ffb!OpenDocument)
You think they tell society in general about fucking people over,get real.
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They've been doing this passively for the last two years, if they randomly checked a container it was siezed and if a local port came to associate your name with imported engines then everything you brought in was inspected.
A local importer started importing whole cars to Mexico and driving them across the border. Only to find out they can't get them titled like they used to. I spoke with a local dude who tried to get a RHD JZA80 from them but the kit car application he filed was denied (duh).
Who cares? I like USDM engines anyway, and I prefer to rebuild anything that's 10+ years old and mostly worn out.
I care since majority of people lack the skills to build an engine correctly and dont want to pay machine shops to freshen up 18 year old integra motors.
if you can pay someone to rebuild a d series block for 400 bucks with machine shop costs+parts those people work for - money after you factor in time+equipment etc
The importing of motors is needed to keep older cars on the roads plain and simple. The obd2 stuff coming over is still pretty clean. if we are talking obdo zc's then yeah rebuild.
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I haven't seen an imported engine in a while, to be honest. We rebuild everything where I'm at.
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all the obd1 stuff I get is still fuckin clean. obdo stuff is not
The d15b sohc vtec's coming over are all still throwing well over 160+ psi per cylinder
for 400-500 bucks for longblocks thats a hell of a deal imo.
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Dang, I guess I better go and snatch up all the B swapped 2/4g's on cl before they become rare... j/k
I'll stick to finding every complete a6 I can get my hands on...
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I haven't seen an imported engine in a while, to be honest. We rebuild everything where I'm at.
We havent rebuilt but 3 import engines in 4 years I;ve worked at this shop. all imported or junk yard replacements
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sad.
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anis
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Does this mean no more ZCs :-[
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Does this mean no more ZCs :-[
the one i have in the garage i'm going to keep forever
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Basically what is here is what is left unless companies decided to gamble with big money and hope the epa doesnt fuck with them.
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Just get them from canada.
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Just get them from canada.
Epa doesnt what this stuff in the united states
They Im sure already know damn well about importers in Canada. This is a huge federal office. The goal is simple get older cars off the roads just like cash for clunkers was
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Just get them from canada.
Epa doesnt what this stuff in the united states
They Im sure already know damn well about importers in Canada. This is a huge federal office. The goal is simple get older cars off the roads just like cash for clunkers was
Its bullshit because most of the motors being imported get better mpg then 90% of newer cars
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10+ years old and mostly worn out.
That's how I like my engines...and women
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It is pretty sad the one container recycled for scrap is of a company that really does tons of replacment engines.
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It is pretty sad the one container recycled for scrap is of a company that really does tons of replacment engines.
What can be done to stop this kind of bullshit? I don't see how a japanese engine could possibly destroy the environment. 99% of the time theyre plugged into a usdm wiring harness and ran off of a usdm ECU. very few are acutally bought by ricers and the ones that are don't last very long.
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Im assuming from my gut from what little info I have gotten so far, this did just happen, is that if the motors are broken down it becomes a grey area.
Its really hard to say Im not a lawyer and neither are guys running engine companies. Hopefully there is some grey area for this but right now every one in california I know has stopped and will not import anymore. these are the companies that supply the more well known internet companies
One company has been around since the mid 90's so that should tell you they are not a bullshit fly by operation.
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they need to do something like the company I work for does. we sell playing cards to chinese casino's. Half of them are illegal so we lol package the cards in boxes marked toys.
Importers should ship engines in boxes marked rice and samuri swords.
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It is pretty sad the one container recycled for scrap is of a company that really does tons of replacment engines.
What can be done to stop this kind of bullshit? I don't see how a japanese engine could possibly destroy the environment. 99% of the time theyre plugged into a usdm wiring harness and ran off of a usdm ECU. very few are acutally bought by ricers and the ones that are don't last very long.
I would imagine the idea is to get old cars off the road. Cheap replacement engines=cars stay on the road longer. Take away the source for cheap motors, and they figure more cars will get junked and people will buy a new car.
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i dont know that even remember ever even seeing an actual jdm motor first hand? i always see usdm stuff. ive rebuilt tons of motors and always use usdm stuff.
but this really sucks for all you other guys that see this stuff more often
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sorry :-\
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The EPA doesn't know shit. Fuck them.
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i dont know that even remember ever even seeing an actual jdm motor first hand? i always see usdm stuff. ive rebuilt tons of motors and always use usdm stuff.
but this really sucks for all you other guys that see this stuff more often
I've owned one, not that cool, this does hurt my idea for a type-r in the future though
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Hype-R's aren't special. Well, the motors aren't, the chassis are pretty cool.
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christ complex, its almostl ike you own a type-r
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http://vehicleimport.blogspot.com/2009/09/r34-seized-in-california-kaizo-drama.html (http://vehicleimport.blogspot.com/2009/09/r34-seized-in-california-kaizo-drama.html)
Worth reading!!!!!!
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Hype-R's aren't special. Well, the motors aren't, the chassis are pretty cool.
Take that back >:(
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http://vehicleimport.blogspot.com/2009/09/r34-seized-in-california-kaizo-drama.html (http://vehicleimport.blogspot.com/2009/09/r34-seized-in-california-kaizo-drama.html)
Worth reading!!!!!!
So basically they are allowing certain cars to be legally imported, then seizing them for being "illegal". This makes no sense to me... Their logic is to seize the cars that are destroying the environment, what about the show cars and others that rarely if ever get on the streets? or how about the cars that are driven in other countries? do we have some special American environment that is immune from the pollution from same cars in other countries?
what im saying is fuck this fucked up government and its goddamned policies.
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Wow.
Is the gov't that bored?
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from what i can see, it would be best for the future of the country if california would implode on itself and be erased from history. whats that state even good for anyways?
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Im taking a road trip looking at some places that seem a little more willing to let people have rights. Im not sure I can take this place much longer. They have been talking for years to get all pre 0bd2 cars off the roads this is a major movement in that direction.
I agree California is a fucked up place. Get rid of Florida also and majority of the bullshit is gone.
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http://vehicleimport.blogspot.com/2009/09/r34-seized-in-california-kaizo-drama.html (http://vehicleimport.blogspot.com/2009/09/r34-seized-in-california-kaizo-drama.html)
Worth reading!!!!!!
So basically they are allowing certain cars to be legally imported, then seizing them for being "illegal". This makes no sense to me... Their logic is to seize the cars that are destroying the environment, what about the show cars and others that rarely if ever get on the streets? or how about the cars that are driven in other countries? do we have some special American environment that is immune from the pollution from same cars in other countries?
what im saying is fuck this fucked up government and its goddamned policies.
The best part is the state of california has been allowing jdm engines ot be smogged since the 90's. You went to a state refree and if you had a usdm manifold,ecu and everything was cool the swap was legal and you got a cool little sticker
That car is now considered a hazard to the environment even though the state already approved the engine and it passes smog. It is now illegal and the car will be impounded. I just found this info today.
So basically you went to the trouble to make everything legal and it passes california smog but is now an illegal vehicle to operate. ???
I may be spending my christmas packing up and getting the fuck out of this social science project before its too late.
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The best part is the state of california has been allowing jdm engines ot be smogged since the 90's.
That's not the best part. The best part is when you leave for a real state they don't even know what a smog check means. Pay your lower than Ca. registration every year and fucken drive. :noel:
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Get the fuck out of that shithole, Chris.
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Wow.
Is the gov't that bored?
Guess so
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The best part is the state of california has been allowing jdm engines ot be smogged since the 90's.
That's not the best part. The best part is when you leave for a real state they don't even know what a smog check means. Pay your lower than Ca. registration every year and fucken drive. :noel:
Yeah...to get a tag...I take them the title and pay a small fee. For new registration, I pay a small fee.
Smog ??? ??? ???
My car could be on fire in the parking lot spewing toxic fumes.
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Let me get this straight
Did california round up all the illegal's and have a mass deportation? That has caused ICE to be so slow that it has to resort to seizing shipments of parts, and cars?
California cant even balance a budget, yet were spending millions funding the EPA. The air quality hasnt improved i see it getting worse all the time.
So now we cant recieve shipments of fine quality usefull parts from Japan, but our government allows shipments of substandard, lead laced toys, knockoffs and garbage from china all the time.
What the hell is wrong with this country.
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Yup Vtec is the demise of the environment
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Plate tectonics is the answer.
Don’t worry Chris Malektesky I have a plan that will solve this problem for us.
You need to round up all the jdm f20b’s and h22’s. Remove all of the balance shafts then get large metal pipes 6†In diameter and drive them into the ground and weld and an engine stand plate to each pipe mount the before mentioned engines to each steal pipe.
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placement is key the best place is Let’s just say a very strategic line along the coast. After all the pipes are ran what until high tide “we need all the help we can get so the moon will give us a gravitational tug and help split the fault†yeah run all the engines at about 6k and wait for the inevitable. Harmonic resonance is your friend you might want to start driving east. As soon as it’s all going
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I’ve just ran a few simulations and there is a significant danger. It appears all these unbalanced h22’s could potentially cause the pacific plate to sub duct so fast that is pulls the north American plate into the earths mantle dooming us all. But that only happens in 4 simulations out of 1700.
It appears that running the engines at 66% throttle is the most likely to cause this affect
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Hitting the VTEC pipe are we Dennis?
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So what are the next two biggest ports on the west coast that could be used for importing engines?
Portland, Oregon and Seattle,Washington?
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So what are the next two biggest ports on the west coast that could be used for importing engines?
Portland, Oregon and Seattle,Washington?
No, you don't understand. Cars, containers come in on the east coast too and are being siezed and destroyed.
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Put phony Mexican tags on running vehicles and drive across :mexi:
There are a few cars done this way, but recently you can't get titles for them.
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Buy new Camaros and quit messing around with 20 year old 1.6l engines. You're killing the environment.
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The only good thing about Canada is that they don't seem to give a Fuck.
We have smog..but if the car is too low to put on the rollers it's a "Idle test"
if you have swapped the motor in a vehicle you can smog it under the "hotrod" clause.
Even with smog I can buy a bogus certificate for $50 that is good for 2 years.
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Put phony Mexican tags on running vehicles and drive across :mexi:
There are a few cars done this way, but recently you can't get titles for them.
Hmmm how about just for parting them out once you get them in the US. A lot of trouble I know... I still like the idea of putting the title from a similar USDM car on a foreign auto and saying everything you've done is a modification. Like get a RHD glass top CRX and put plates for a USDM CRX on it, part the USDM out and scrap the unibody pieces. If anyone has a problem the firewall and dash were swapped as a custom job. For good measure put some phony booger welds in some places on the firewall to make it more convincing. Doable?
why not just take the JDM car and swap teh VIN's from a USDm car.
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The only good thing about Canada is that they don't seem to give a Fuck.
We have smog..but if the car is too low to put on the rollers it's a "Idle test"
if you have swapped the motor in a vehicle you can smog it under the "hotrod" clause.
Even with smog I can buy a bogus certificate for $50 that is good for 2 years.
And even then the only smog is in the east or in Vancouver and they are supposedly getting rid of it there. Fuck California, that's right Arnie I said it.
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I made the government import a ton of shit for me. :P
engines, missions, etc. govt paid for it all.
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That's basically what you would be doing anyway, drilled a couple rivets and dropping your usdm vin plate in.
I don't get why people have such a hard time titling jdm cars.. just pretend like it's a customized usdm car!
Have fun with that. When you're at the track, random shop, roadblocks where the troopers are savvy, etc, and they aren't DOT rivets you can kiss your shit goodbye.
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Then leave them. Is it illegal to do a dash and firewall swap?
Without filing the correct paperwork, yes.
If you sit and think about it, it's pretty easy to pull off what you are talking about doing but man you really have to be careful.
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About just swapping vins yeah can go to jail for that. DOT rivets have a hole through the center of them when the cars inspected they stick a pin through it to check. Normal rivets leave the little center pin in them and just cut it off at the bottom.
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Never once in my driving experience have I seen anyone stick something or even go near my vin plate.
Hang out at an autobody shop, any (chop) shop that the cops watch, and any track if there's been a recent string of stolen vehicles.
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grind the bottom of the rivets off, pull them out from the top, swap tags, add JB weld, done..
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I like the sink CA into the blue, but your plan fails for 1 reason... You missed the governators mansion in your proposed line of subduction. Just be carefull mama Spike lives in the foothills
Folsom would make a nice new coastline!!!!
:noel:
In WA if yor gasscap passes a seal test and your car doesnt polute retardedly bad youre golden... Shit you dont even have to go through emissions if youre in the right county...
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Never once in my driving experience have I seen anyone stick something or even go near my vin plate.
What is involved in just swapped dashes and firewalls... or saying you are? Usdm vin on a jdm dash would be kind of fishy, eh? ;D
CA CHP officers and the like are educated better than prooobably anyone you know on whats authentic, correct or along those lines.
They are NOT fucking playing.
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In WA if yor gasscap passes a seal test and your car doesnt polute retardedly bad youre golden... Shit you dont even have to go through emissions if youre in the right county...
Yeah Texas for the most part is the same, just leave the counties with the big cities and you're golden, or find a shop which is owned by a Mexican, offer $20 more in cash, and collect your legit sticker...
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There is a place online that sells the rivets. I know McMaster used too, I got a few from there and currently the GRM car doesn't hold the same title and VIN of what it actually is (I used Mcmaster rivets) They are annodized and have an odd lip on them
I will track down the link tonight, they are used in industrial applications.
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What port does Canada have that engines would most likely go through?
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I think almost everything is through BC
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What port does Canada have that engines would most likely go through?
Vancouver.
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What port does Canada have that engines would most likely go through?
Vancouver.
How difficult is it to drive from .ca into the land of freedom with a pickup truck full of parts engines and such?
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Not bad at all.
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What port does Canada have that engines would most likely go through?
Vancouver.
How difficult is it to drive from .ca into the land of freedom with a pickup truck full of parts engines and such?
Yeah i know for fact there are area's in nd where you wouldn't be seen driving across the border for miles. and there are border crossings that close at night. so......
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What port does Canada have that engines would most likely go through?
Fuck that shit... Seattle/Tacompton son... Gray hair dont care
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What port does Canada have that engines would most likely go through?
Vancouver.
How difficult is it to drive from .ca into the land of freedom with a pickup truck full of parts engines and such?
Yeah i know for fact there are area's in nd where you wouldn't be seen driving across the border for miles. and there are border crossings that close at night. so......
Yeah I've been through a couple going to Regina after leaving Wiliston. :yes:
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What port does Canada have that engines would most likely go through?
Fuck that shit... Seattle/Tacompton son... Gray hair dont care
flat rate will get them through.
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In WA...
... Shit you dont even have to go through emissions if youre in the right county...
like mine :noel:
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What port does Canada have that engines would most likely go through?
Fuck that shit... Seattle/Tacompton son... Gray hair dont care
flat rate will get them through.
SO WILL MY TUNERS ADRESS...
LULORCYCE
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What port does Canada have that engines would most likely go through?
Vancouver.
How difficult is it to drive from .ca into the land of freedom with a pickup truck full of parts engines and such?
Yeah i know for fact there are area's in nd where you wouldn't be seen driving across the border for miles. and there are border crossings that close at night. so......
Yeah I've been through a couple going to Regina after leaving Wiliston. :yes:
Highway 47 south of Estevan Sask is where some of the locals come in and out.
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Iv brought engine to guys in the states befor.
They ask y im crossing the boarder, I tell them to have a beer with a budyy
drop the engine off and im done with
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grind the bottom of the rivets off, pull them out from the top, swap tags, add JB weld, done..
The problem is you have a USDM vin plate on a RHD dash. They know it's been tampered with. It's easier to just say you did a rhd conversion and didn't touch the vin plate.
True. Texas cops aren't that smart, they'd be flabbergasted that the steering wheel is on the wrong side.
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I may be spending my christmas packing up and getting the fuck out of this social science project before its too late.
+1
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if anyone is interested I have a guy in Ontario that can get anything, and I mean anything you want. Cars , parts rims... ect... cheap too. far better then any Toronto Importer
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Gotta go through you? or can you hook us up with a contact?
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if anyone is interested I have a guy in Ontario that can get anything, and I mean anything you want. Cars , parts rims... ect... cheap too. far better then any Toronto Importer
No, he can't. Goforth got his R34 hood, upper radiator support, misc off of them. They can't cough up hood hinges (GTT and GTR use different hinges).
Now Goforth's hooked up with Nissan of Japan and can get any OEM JDM Nissan part you want, new in the box. Beat that.
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great now I should sell my hype-R swap
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or move
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Murdoc, come to NC!
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JD you want everybody to move to NC
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Im moving to mexico
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other than the water quality, sounds like a good idea
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I love tacos so I cant lose
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http://www.thefreelibrary.com/EPA,+U.S.+customs+crack+down+on+illegally+imported+engine+parts.-a0152259920 (http://www.thefreelibrary.com/EPA,+U.S.+customs+crack+down+on+illegally+imported+engine+parts.-a0152259920)
idk whats up when I cut and paste from the site, text changes for some damn reason, thought I was losing it...
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I love tacos so I cant lose
they have no orange chicken though.
yeah thats a bummer about this whole thing. Soken motors just merged with another importer, Soko. Same location. I want to call and see if they are getting any troubles yet.
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Exactly Ill open the first panda express in mexico and have sex with lots of large breasted latin women in exchange for oc and fried rice.
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Exactly Ill open the first panda express in mexico and have sex with lots of large breasted latin women in exchange for oc and fried rice.
^A man with a plan
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Never had OC but love me some tacos and burritos!!!
Carne Asada Burrito Grande FTW!
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in all honesty, does that mean the 2 dohc zc's i own are going to be worth more $$, considering the rarity??
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Nope I have a container coming over full of zc's epa said zc's suck and they dont care about them
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hahahaha
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this is terrible. i am still looking into how hard it would be to bring a car back to the US from canada when i get dual citizenship. i would get it about the time that the evo 4 and R33 can be imported into canada. maybe by then i will be in vancouver. a friend will let me register the car to their address here if i decide to move back to the US, besides insurance is cheaper here anyway.