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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: WOT on December 05, 2009, 07:56:19 AM
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Trying to think of the most cost effective way to work on my car in the winter. Ill be in a 2 car garage, and since my entire build other than paint will be done in this garage during a canadian winter, I need some heat.
I was thinking of simply using my BBQ and wheeling it close to where Im working, and running it.... thats free, just gotta keep filling propane (which could get expensive??) or would a shop heater of some sort work best??
What are you guys doin??
Any canadian guys know of any deals??
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I have a 76,000 BTU gas natural gas heater in my garage, but if I was trying to do something on the cheap this is what I would do. http://sites.google.com/site/brianshomebrewsolar/ (http://sites.google.com/site/brianshomebrewsolar/)
PS... if you do your BBQ idea you will die from the fumes.
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Don't all you Canadians have wood stoves in your garage? My buddy did and he set up an oil drop to increase burn time. He just saved all the old motor oil and tranny fluid and fed it to the stove.
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I got one of these radiant heat dish jammer packs and its cool. Of course i live in VA where its rather temprate. Not too cold here.
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i have used a 200,000 btu propane heater before, but i have a heated shop now, so i don't need to choke on fumes again.
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i always get a warm feeling when i scam people out of there hard earned money
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I have a little 220v construction heater that I cut the plug off and put the same plug as my welder in. I usally get up in the morning, plug it in and by the time I have breakfast and shower it warm. My garage is in my house though so its not like its balls cold.
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Before Katrina we had a wood burning heater in the garage we built. This was in a 26x28 garage with no drywall, no insulation, etc. Fire up that heater and it was toasty warm in 30 minutes. Didn't use it but maybe 10 times a year, but it sure was nice to have.
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Trying to think of the most cost effective way to work on my car in the winter. Ill be in a 2 car garage, and since my entire build other than paint will be done in this garage during a canadian winter, I need some heat.
I was thinking of simply using my BBQ and wheeling it close to where Im working, and running it.... thats free, just gotta keep filling propane (which could get expensive??) or would a shop heater of some sort work best??
What are you guys doin??
Any canadian guys know of any deals??
give hiprofile his 200$ back
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I have a little 220v construction heater that I cut the plug off and put the same plug as my welder in.
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Exactly what I did. Mine has a built in thermostat and turns on/off as needed. It was somewhere in the neighbourhood of $75CAD and the welder plug is ~$10.
Don't mess with flame thrower propane heaters. They make everything in your garage 'sweat' and make you feel light-headed.
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Get a propane construction heater that look like the mini herman nelsons or find a cheap used wood stove. Mostly make sure you have insulation and the doors and windows are sealed well otherwise you will have to blast the heat all day.
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I have a 76,000 BTU gas natural gas heater in my garage, but if I was trying to do something on the cheap this is what I would do. http://sites.google.com/site/brianshomebrewsolar/ (http://sites.google.com/site/brianshomebrewsolar/)
PS... if you do your BBQ idea you will die from the fumes.
Interesting homemade solar thing...I wonder how well it would work in the winter...I don't expect much.
Was surprised to see it was built in Madison AL...really close to where I am now.
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no no no.
first you do not heat the air. the ground is still cold. lay a network of water pipes in the floor and cover that with something like a resin. then run hot water through those pipes.
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Geothermal heat piped through your floor.
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Kain you're retarded.
And I don't use heat, I just fucking deal with it. Yea sometimes it sucks.
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Kain you're retarded.
And I don't use heat, I just fucking deal with it. Yea sometimes it sucks.
how am i retarded? my whole entire house and garage is using hydronic heating and yet it heats up the floor, and thus the whole house stays relatively warm. it costs very little because its in the floor. its proper heating. the heat rises and warms teh whole room. along with the baseboards. even here in atlanta where it hardly ever dips below freezing, we have double pane windows with whatever gas they use. double insulated walls. the heating bills are really fucking low, and the cooling bills are really fucking low.
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in the winter time, the dryer vent gets plumbed into the garage
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Geothermal heat piped through your floor.
that's my occupation, sir. the initial cost is spendy, but for example i heat/cool my 2700 sq ft house for 40ish $ a month. if you can work it into your house loan for new construction, it pays for itself over a conventional electric/gas/oil system.
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youi mean you have other jobs besides polishing the penises of random men for 20 a pop???
LOL
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youi mean you have other jobs besides polishing the penises of random men for 20 a pop???
LOL
25$. cost of living increase.
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youi mean you have other jobs besides polishing the penises of random men for 20 a pop???
LOL
25$. cost of living increase.
I'm on the rebound.
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Geothermal heat piped through your floor.
that's my occupation, sir. the initial cost is spendy, but for example i heat/cool my 2700 sq ft house for 40ish $ a month. if you can work it into your house loan for new construction, it pays for itself over a conventional electric/gas/oil system.
I didn't know it was remotely feasible for residential use.
How does the ground type play into that? We have a high water table so all houses except a very very very small number are on slabs. Is the house shifting something you have to worry about?
I googled it and saw Carrier sells geothermal stuff...what does that type of thing cost for an average sized home?
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I have a 76,000 BTU gas natural gas heater in my garage, but if I was trying to do something on the cheap this is what I would do. http://sites.google.com/site/brianshomebrewsolar/ (http://sites.google.com/site/brianshomebrewsolar/)
PS... if you do your BBQ idea you will die from the fumes.
Interesting homemade solar thing...I wonder how well it would work in the winter...I don't expect much.
Was surprised to see it was built in Madison AL...really close to where I am now.
You should go green with your green ;)
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I have a 76,000 BTU gas natural gas heater in my garage, but if I was trying to do something on the cheap this is what I would do. http://sites.google.com/site/brianshomebrewsolar/ (http://sites.google.com/site/brianshomebrewsolar/)
PS... if you do your BBQ idea you will die from the fumes.
Interesting homemade solar thing...I wonder how well it would work in the winter...I don't expect much.
Was surprised to see it was built in Madison AL...really close to where I am now.
You should go green with your green ;)
Actually have considered that. Just not sure I could draw 1.8kW from the sun and wind.
j.h. christ -- what about geothermal generators for the home? I was watching a documentary, "car of the future" yesterday, and it showed one of the huge geothermal power plants iceland uses...apparently because of their location, they can power the whole country with geothermal power.
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this works well. Even at -20Celcius it works
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I now have one of these. I also have a standing one like the one that sits ontop the tanks.
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I have a 76,000 BTU gas natural gas heater in my garage, but if I was trying to do something on the cheap this is what I would do. http://sites.google.com/site/brianshomebrewsolar/ (http://sites.google.com/site/brianshomebrewsolar/)
PS... if you do your BBQ idea you will die from the fumes.
Interesting homemade solar thing...I wonder how well it would work in the winter...I don't expect much.
Was surprised to see it was built in Madison AL...really close to where I am now.
You should go green with your green ;)
Actually have considered that. Just not sure I could draw 1.8kW from the sun and wind.
j.h. christ -- what about geothermal generators for the home? I was watching a documentary, "car of the future" yesterday, and it showed one of the huge geothermal power plants iceland uses...apparently because of their location, they can power the whole country with geothermal power.
Too bad you don't live close to a river. A paddle wheel generator would be semi easy to rig up. Where did you get 1.8kW? I's that a daily or hourly estimate?
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I won't grow tomatoes again until I'm in a permanent residence, and in that situation I would want 2 x 600w hps "rooms" and 1 x 600w mh room, 3 x 600w = 1.8kW. Tomatoes monthly.
I'm assuming you'd get some tax credits for alternative power sources?
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Yeah you get some tax cuts for using solar panels. That would be ironic the gov paying you to grow your own spaghetti sauce.
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"tomatoes"
;D
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Too bad you don't live close to a river. A paddle wheel generator would be semi easy to rig up. Where did you get 1.8kW? I's that a daily or hourly estimate?
that should be an hourly estimate. 1.5 kw is easy to produce with nothing but a wind turbine and solar panel arrangement. keep in mind how much you get as far as wind a sun goes.
my home in greece will soon be outfitted with a 1kwh wind turbine and a 1kwh solar panel arrangement. in greece the sun is blazing and the days throughout the year are 95% clear with zero clouds in the sky. the wind blows like a hooker blows your cock desperately for that crack money. the European community will usually pay you double the price of electricity that you put in. so if you spend 100 euros a month, and you pump it in at equal rate of consumption, you will get about 200 euros back every month.
geo thermal heat piping works on the concept that a certain number of meters down underground, the temperature will always be 50 degree no matter what. usually using a fluid such as water, it gets cycled through the ground pipes and come up at 50 degree F, and when it cools off, it gets lowered into the ground again to heat up or cool off.
cooling a garage is going to be very difficult. for one, they are usually designed to not hold their temperature at all. the ceilings are far too high ( the hot air gets trapped ) and the cement floor is ciller in the winter time because its soo frigin and its like a friggin icecube in your water. i suggest putting a later of outdoor carpeting or that matting that is usually black, comes in giant puzzle pieces, and just lay them all over the floor. also, if your garage door faces the sun in the morning, paint it black. it will heat up nice.
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Most of Alabama stays between 65-70F underground.
Very nice.
According to ... I think it was Alabama Power ... it's about $7500 for a 3-ton unit which should be good for an "average-szied home", then about $10,000-30,000 to drill.
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And what is the useful life? Maintenance? Risks?
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And what is the useful life? Maintenance? Risks?
The site said 25-50 years for system life. It's underground piping, not something that gets much wear.
Said 5-10 years to recoup costs over a conventional system. So yeah, if you could get it included in your home loan I wouldn't see a reason not to. If you stay there, you'll save a bit of money after 5-10 years, if you move I'm sure it'd increase the property value.
Not really any risks. It's water being pumped through pipes.
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Friend of mine uses a huge ass torpedo heater in his, thinking of buying his older/smaller one if he still has it lieing around. That thing is amazing
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Buy a used wood stove then head to home depot for some duct and axe. Rape the local area for burnables. A little used oil on a drip feed is def a good idea as well saves on digging a hole in the backyard or driving to the local fish bearing stream.
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Burn wood in a fireplace and setup some kind of thermal wheel that spins off the heat of the fire that converts to electricity.
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the other day i was at harbor freight and i saw that they now have wood stoves for sale, their not up on the sight though.
looks like they would be awesome for a garage and they were like $100, hopefully you cant fuck up cast iron.
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i have a wood furnace just have to cut up a few trees and dry the wood over summer and split that shit. time consuming but a good workout. its been down to a little below 0 here and it stays a pretty nice 60-75 in the shop, (redone barn) 30x60 with a low ceiling. also have a 120,000 diesel heater to get it warm in there real fast.
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please, use your bbq and kill yourself. retard.
150k btu kerosene heater ftw
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the other day i was at harbor freight and i saw that they now have wood stoves for sale, their not up on the sight though.
looks like they would be awesome for a garage and they were like $100, hopefully you cant fuck up cast iron.
RADIANT kinda sux tho but at least you can cook some shit on it haha
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warmed by the power of my own awesomeness
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Burn wood in a fireplace and setup some kind of thermal wheel that spins off the heat of the fire that converts to electricity.
no. there is enough heat, but it has to be used differently.
boil some water, and convert it to steam. then... have fun with high pressure steam.
a wood burning stove is excellent. that cast iron gets hot and stays hot as fuck. and its realy efficient.
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waste of BTU's trying to convert water to steam in a small system. Have the wood stove heat normal water/antifreeze, the pipe it thru a few radiators or even old intercoolers. with small fans on them.
Low Pressure system is more efficent if heating one open space, like a garage.
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Well I def cant do a wood stove, im renting and they def wouldnt allow it
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Well I def cant do a wood stove, im renting and they def wouldnt allow it
why don't you pay back the people you scammed, you hunk of dog shit
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How much room you have to heat????
I have a 80k BTU propane unit that will peel paint off the ceiling when cranked.
It has almost killed Fowee in the process :)
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Well I def cant do a wood stove, im renting and they def wouldnt allow it
why don't you pay back the people you scammed, you hunk of dog shit
Sir, he needs that steady income as it's what he currently burns to stay warm. If you could see fit to install geothermal heat in his house and garage, within a few years he will be able to pay them back off of the money he saved alone.
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I use a cheap honeywell heater i got on ebay and stick a fan behind it to blow warm air in my direction. works awesome
this thing is like 4 feet long
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waste of BTU's trying to convert water to steam in a small system. Have the wood stove heat normal water/antifreeze, the pipe it thru a few radiators or even old intercoolers. with small fans on them.
Low Pressure system is more efficent if heating one open space, like a garage.
Run a small sump pump? This would be an intense setup for a cabin deep in the woods. Get some old radiant water heaters and go to fucking town........... Solar energy to get the pump working.
And what is the useful life? Maintenance? Risks?
The site said 25-50 years for system life. It's underground piping, not something that gets much wear.
Not really any risks. It's water being pumped through pipes.
Pipe is pipe, it has a useful life if it is constantly thermo-cycling. Think of the cast iron pipe they used to use for houses, shit gets used and degrades after so many years. Then do you have to pay the 30,000 for a re-drill?
I am curious to all these non-conventional concepts
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Well I def cant do a wood stove, im renting and they def wouldnt allow it
why don't you pay back the people you scammed, you hunk of dog shit
Sir, he needs that steady income as it's what he currently burns to stay warm. If you could see fit to install geothermal heat in his house and garage, within a few years he will be able to pay them back off of the money he saved alone.
well, he could start by canceling his internet service for a couple months to pay hiprofile back.
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the other day i was at harbor freight and i saw that they now have wood stoves for sale, their not up on the sight though.
looks like they would be awesome for a garage and they were like $100, hopefully you cant fuck up cast iron.
RADIANT kinda sux tho but at least you can cook some shit on it haha
what are you talking about, have you ever used a wood stove
1 small stove in an open space like a garage is what they excel at
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i have a wood furnace just have to cut up a few trees and dry the wood over summer and split that shit. time consuming but a good workout. its been down to a little below 0 here and it stays a pretty nice 60-75 in the shop, (redone barn) 30x60 with a low ceiling. also have a 120,000 diesel heater to get it warm in there real fast.
the other day i was at harbor freight and i saw that they now have wood stoves for sale, their not up on the sight though.
looks like they would be awesome for a garage and they were like $100, hopefully you cant fuck up cast iron.
RADIANT kinda sux tho but at least you can cook some shit on it haha
what are you talking about, have you ever used a wood stove
1 small stove in an open space like a garage is what they excel at
yes but i have a furnace style where it blows out the hot air around it. the stove the just sit there work well but the style i have is better imo.
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woodburners=win keep your ass warm and double as a kitchen in the shop :mexi:
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Think its possible to simply have a wood stove in a 25X25 garage, and plumb the piping out of an existing regular height window, and just make a piece of plywood to fill the window around the pipe?? Or do the exhausts have to go straight up?
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Think its possible to simply have a wood stove in a 25X25 garage, and plumb the piping out of an existing regular height window, and just make a piece of plywood to fill the window around the pipe?? Or do the exhausts have to go straight up?
You can do a 90* turn just make sure you have the proper insulated piping. Dvst8r and I ghetto rigged a wood stove for my first shop on my moms farm years ago, it worked pretty well, we used to put frozen pizzas on top of the stove and them cook while the shop got warm.
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on our wood stove we just used the gas pipe and did a 90* out the side of the garage about 15' above the floor (garage has open ceiling to roof) and then did another 90 once outside so it still vented up. Worked great, but use the right double-walled pipe and insulate things right.
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you should have inslulated pipe to keep the exhaust hot and flowing should see a roof line and have a cap or back draft and exhaust will run you out hahaha i know..
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Pipe is pipe, it has a useful life if it is constantly thermo-cycling. Think of the cast iron pipe they used to use for houses, shit gets used and degrades after so many years. Then do you have to pay the 30,000 for a re-drill?
I am curious to all these non-conventional concepts
I can see that...but how much thermo-cycling do you think is going on? I couldn't imagine it being more than a 5-10 degree difference since it attempts to keep a constant temperature and most likely isn't going through the amount of wear your hot water piping does when it's frequently going from ambient temps to having considerably hotter water pumped through them.
I'd want to believe the 25-50 year "life" is a conservative figure and they usually last closer to the 40-50 year range, but would like to hear more detail on the maintenance costs.
Either way, if it pays itself off 5-10 years, it wouldn't be anything more than a hassle and torn up lawn if it broke after 25.
My uncle has a couple wood-burning stoves in his old-as-hell farm-home they restored. They kept the original stoves, and either cuts some wood from his hunting land or gets some from someone that needs a tree cut. Puts out a good damn amount of heat.
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It all depends on the slab you install it onto. If it's on shady ground that shifts and cracks the slab, all your radiant plumbing is gonna get fuxt. The flexible wirsbo plumbing is less likely to give you problems, but don't think that you can run hard lines in the concrete and never have to worry about it. The best way is layer it like this:
Concrete
Wirsbo
Foam
gravel
Obviously, retrofitting an existing slab will be more prone to failure.
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I burn other peoples money
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gas shop heater from a defunct car dealership. It's huge and industrial.
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I burn other peoples money
I hear HiProfile has some to spare.
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I burn pallets, and scrap wood cause its free. Carful tho, they burn way hotter than logs, just got to watch it so you don't burn your garage down.
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I burn pallets, and scrap wood cause its free. Carful tho, they burn way hotter than logs, just got to watch it so you don't burn your garage down.
I've never burned pallets in a stove just on bonfires at pit parties. They are super dry and burn like gas there though so I imagine they aren't much different in a stove. Since the OP is a pussy and won't do a woodstove cause he rents I have to say the little propane powered construction heaters are the way to go. Turn it on for 10-20min and it keeps a small shop in cold ass Canada warm for an hour or two.
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I burn pallets, and scrap wood cause its free. Carful tho, they burn way hotter than logs, just got to watch it so you don't burn your garage down.
I've never burned pallets in a stove just on bonfires at pit parties. They are super dry and burn like gas there though so I imagine they aren't much different in a stove. Since the OP is a pussy and won't do a woodstove cause he rents I have to say the little propane powered construction heaters are the way to go. Turn it on for 10-20min and it keeps a small shop in cold ass Canada warm for an hour or two.
Agreed.
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love the wood stove. You just have to be careful around them with solvents/vapors.
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What is a usable garage?
Used a propane jet heater once while using the neighbors garage. That fucker would warm the place up, but the fumes made me feel like hell. I would assume it was enough CO to give a mild case of CO poisoning.
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My washer and dryer are in the garage. So I just disconnect the dryer vent and start doin laundry O0
Plus the wife likes it ;)
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