:::RHMT::: Real Home Made Turbo
General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: turbob16hatch on December 23, 2009, 04:00:04 AM
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found this thread to be quite funny, i though bisi made the best parts ever. huh?
http://www.honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2700221 (http://www.honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2700221)
thats twice it has cracked and he says a section of the header is about to fall out/off.
here is the image flipped 180 to make it easier to identify
(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi71.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fi123%2Fmattgroshong%2Fweldcrack.jpg&hash=fb20d4fe0c951ff89e8b14c0975d0d618009dd61)
Here is a picture i found of the bisimoto d series header..... lol
(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi71.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fi123%2Fmattgroshong%2Fbisimotoheader.jpg&hash=49b74c0c1ea3f294e73cda918e01a4c771fed87b)
discuss.....
ps: i don't have the balls to post this all over that thread so can someone do the honers...
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as much as id love to bash bisi, i dont like bashing people for fab work failing like that because it can happen to anyone. ive had things that should not have cracked crack, and cannot figure out why it did so.
im wondering if he back purges those headers though, i would never build a 16ga manifold and not backpurge it, theres just too many welds to crack on such thin metal.
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hey i don't normally bash people on fab also, but he has it coming.
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if you wanna out him on blast just go there and respond
"give bisi a call, im sure he will fix all the issues because customer service is paramount at bisimoto"
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Bisi doesnt weld them so a 40 year old mexican is to blame.
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You mean a 10 year old Somalian on a hooker and crack binge???
That thing looks more complicated than my Turbo manifold. LOL...
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look at the nice o2 placement.... :?:
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Tubular headers/manifold on a dynamically unbalanced inline four cyl will crack, period. It's just a matter of time. What I find interesting is that the bead cracked down the center, can any of you fab guys offer a fair analysis?
FYI, customer service is not paramount at Bisimoto. Call David Peters at Over The Top in Knoxville/Marysville, TN, and ask him about the header that ran directly into the oil pan when fitted, and how Bisi spoke to him "like a dog" when he called about it.
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...What I find interesting is that the bead cracked down the center, can any of you fab guys offer a fair analysis?
Looks like a lack of filler as all of the welds look concave. Judging by the poor consistency of the welds around it, I would guess that it is not back purged nor was there proper prep when starting out.
Looks like Brine04's OG CC-Fab ramhorn if they wouldn't have used any filler.
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Yeah lack of filler/proper welding technique killed that header.
the guy just posted that the first header he receaved wasn't welded fully on some joints and it leaked everywhere. LOL :-X
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Tubular headers/manifold on a dynamically unbalanced inline four cyl will crack, period. It's just a matter of time. What I find interesting is that the bead cracked down the center, can any of you fab guys offer a fair analysis?
Simply false. Just because 98% of all fabricators in the automotive sector don't actually have any idea how to make proper welds shoudln't condemn a style of manifold to imminent failure. I haven't had a single manifold, downpipe, exhaust etc fail ever, and I've literally made thousands.
I doubt that weld was properly purged. The bead is terribly inconsistent, along with the other welds you can see in the picture.
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Right.
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Right.
You are going to doubt what I say because you lack knowledge on the subject?
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Simply false. Just because 98% of all fabricators in the automotive sector don't actually have any idea how to make proper welds shoudln't condemn a style of manifold to imminent failure. I haven't had a single manifold, downpipe, exhaust etc fail ever, and I've literally made thousands.
I doubt that weld was properly purged. The bead is terribly inconsistent, along with the other welds you can see in the picture.
I agree in the fact that there are a lot of poor welders in the automotive field. simply no money in it 99% of the time so they go where the money is.
But JD has a point in the fact that the 4 cyl doesn't help anything, just look at supra ebay manifolds they stay together quite well compared to the ebay garbage the honda crowd has experienced.
Plus tubing isn't something that can hold up when welded using improper welding technique, etc...
There is a reason i don't touch n/a headers and thin wall manifolds. lack of skill to make it work with any reasonable amount of reliability.
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pretty much.
if i had to guess on that header when that runner was built there was some shrinkage when welded and that stress pulling on the runner found the weakest weld, and probably at at hottest point (closest to port) and it failed. im sure its a mixture of poor welding and no backpurge. ill give the guy credit it looks to be assembled well and id hate to have to build one of those over complicated POS.
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pretty much.
if i had to guess on that header when that runner was built there was some shrinkage when welded and that stress pulling on the runner found the weakest weld, and probably at at hottest point (closest to port) and it failed. im sure its a mixture of poor welding and no backpurge. ill give the guy credit it looks to be assembled well and id hate to have to build one of those over complicated POS.
Agreed, most fabricators underestimate the importance of fit up on tube assemblies. If it doesn't fit like this:
(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi94.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fl83%2F935racer%2FPICT2357.jpg&hash=b08b3769795e4c93a68562e4d0a19251b9412cd1)
(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi94.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fl83%2F935racer%2FPICT2362.jpg&hash=45c01347123785af7a420537b2a58dcf0124fdc2)
than you don't weld it.
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yep. i will usually tear stuff back apart if i assemble it and realize thereis a gap. especially tubing because filling gaps on such thin matl is hard as hell and looks like shit.
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dave im going to come out to your shop some day with a lot of beer, and you are going to teach me how to use filler with a tig.
i cant do it for the life of me, and im stuck doing fusing passes on pie cuts, that are always too hot, sometimes tuning into what appears to be vagina lips. its crazy.
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dave im going to come out to your shop some day with a lot of beer, and you are going to teach me how to use filler with a tig.
i cant do it for the life of me, and im stuck doing fusing passes on pie cuts, that are always too hot, sometimes tuning into what appears to be vagina lips. its crazy.
Deal.
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Nice work there. ^^
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Right.
You are going to doubt what I say because you lack knowledge on the subject?
On dynamic balance? No, I'm pretty up on the subject. You aren't the only master class welder I've spoken to in my life, and I'll bet Greg hermann knows more about machining/tool and die/etc than you do. The problem isn't joining the pipe it's the fact that it's a load at the end of the pipe that's being shaken by a super complicated paint mixer. You will get cracks, it has nothing to do with the weld joints, if any, and in fact they won't neccesarily manifest at the welds.
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Its obvious there was an excessive lack of flux core on that joint and lack of turbo which lead to the ultimate dimese. Any fabricator worth a shit knows you need to flux that shit, and a properly placed turbo would have helped support and lessen any vibration that would have caused those cracks.
Amatures!
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Its obvious there was an excessive lack of flux core on that joint and lack of turbo which lead to the ultimate dimese. Any fabricator worth a shit knows you need to flux that shit, and a properly placed turbo would have helped support and lessen any vibration that would have caused those cracks.
Amatures!
Sweet jesus.
All the tech debate aside, thank you for reminding us of the wholesome turbocharged goodness of our heritage.
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Its obvious there was an excessive lack of flux core on that joint and lack of turbo which lead to the ultimate dimese. Any fabricator worth a shit knows you need to flux that shit, and a properly placed turbo would have helped support and lessen any vibration that would have caused those cracks.
Amatures!
Quoted for truth...............
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Right.
You are going to doubt what I say because you lack knowledge on the subject?
On dynamic balance? No, I'm pretty up on the subject. You aren't the only master class welder I've spoken to in my life, and I'll bet Greg hermann knows more about machining/tool and die/etc than you do. The problem isn't joining the pipe it's the fact that it's a load at the end of the pipe that's being shaken by a super complicated paint mixer. You will get cracks, it has nothing to do with the weld joints, if any, and in fact they won't neccesarily manifest at the welds.
No, I was referring to fabrication. I will admit I am no master tool and die guy, I am working on it, but it will take years of time. I realize, understand, and partially agree with what you are saying. However I disagree in the sense that I know how it can be avoided by using quality material, techniques, and design. It is the ignorance of these three things that lead to this type of failure, the widespread of this ignorance has created the acceptance of " it will fail, it is a matter of when not if".
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Right.
You are going to doubt what I say because you lack knowledge on the subject?
On dynamic balance? No, I'm pretty up on the subject. You aren't the only master class welder I've spoken to in my life, and I'll bet Greg hermann knows more about machining/tool and die/etc than you do. The problem isn't joining the pipe it's the fact that it's a load at the end of the pipe that's being shaken by a super complicated paint mixer. You will get cracks, it has nothing to do with the weld joints, if any, and in fact they won't neccesarily manifest at the welds.
No, I was referring to fabrication. I will admit I am no master tool and die guy, I am working on it, but it will take years of time. I realize, understand, and partially agree with what you are saying. However I disagree in the sense that I know how it can be avoided by using quality material, techniques, and design. It is the ignorance of these three things that lead to this type of failure, the widespread of this ignorance has created the acceptance of " it will fail, it is a matter of when not if".
bitch, that is JOSEPH DAVIS. your ignorance of that fact has led you to homosexual acceptance. you will eat a dick, its a matter of how often, not if.
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arsenio, youve trolled much better then that. shame on you
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Right.
You are going to doubt what I say because you lack knowledge on the subject?
On dynamic balance? No, I'm pretty up on the subject. You aren't the only master class welder I've spoken to in my life, and I'll bet Greg hermann knows more about machining/tool and die/etc than you do. The problem isn't joining the pipe it's the fact that it's a load at the end of the pipe that's being shaken by a super complicated paint mixer. You will get cracks, it has nothing to do with the weld joints, if any, and in fact they won't neccesarily manifest at the welds.
No, I was referring to fabrication. I will admit I am no master tool and die guy, I am working on it, but it will take years of time. I realize, understand, and partially agree with what you are saying. However I disagree in the sense that I know how it can be avoided by using quality material, techniques, and design. It is the ignorance of these three things that lead to this type of failure, the widespread of this ignorance has created the acceptance of " it will fail, it is a matter of when not if".
I've seen some sweet bracing rigs, but ultimately it's a paint machine. Metal fatigue sets in at some point.
Also, Matt, you have some interesting shit in your PB.
(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs71.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fi123%2Fmattgroshong%2FPicture014.jpg&hash=224f429b10b712d6a7fa8742e01b519652205c3b)
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^^^^ LOL NooB
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just think what the world would be like without bisimoto
bisi invented the internal combustion engine
bisi discovered gasoline
bisi has counted to infinity twice
bisi can walk on water
(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.foxnews.com%2Fimages%2F371175%2F0_21_051908_boat.jpg&hash=3e27fc02262236d9ed54257c39fa99a35d62519b)
but he sucks at boat racing
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almost forgot:
the real reason that header cracked is the lack of a DSM style balance shaft. everyone knows that a balance shaft improves dynamic balance and actually prevents all the accessories from failing. infact the primary reason for DSM failure is not the retarded owner, it's that the retarded owner removed the balance shafts (dumb asses) :?: further more, if this engine had a few hundred thousand more miles on it, the crankshaft would have been able to follow it's own natural path, there-for not inducing harmful vibration into the header. apparently, there are advanced principles at work here that bisi clearly dose not understand.
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almost forgot:
the real reason that header cracked is the lack of a DSM style balance shaft. everyone knows that a balance shaft improves dynamic balance and actually prevents all the accessories from failing. infact the primary reason for DSM failure is not the retarded owner, it's that the retarded owner removed the balance shafts (dumb asses) :?: further more, if this engine had a few hundred thousand more miles on it, the crankshaft would have been able to follow it's own natural path, there-for not inducing harmful vibration into the header. apparently, there are advanced principles at work here that bisi clearly dose not understand.
wut?
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i hope hes making fun of joseph davis and his vibration theories.
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I hope he isn't serious. I thought that balance shafts serve NO harmonic purpose at all
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Right.
You are going to doubt what I say because you lack knowledge on the subject?
On dynamic balance? No, I'm pretty up on the subject. You aren't the only master class welder I've spoken to in my life, and I'll bet Greg hermann knows more about machining/tool and die/etc than you do. The problem isn't joining the pipe it's the fact that it's a load at the end of the pipe that's being shaken by a super complicated paint mixer. You will get cracks, it has nothing to do with the weld joints, if any, and in fact they won't neccesarily manifest at the welds.
No, I was referring to fabrication. I will admit I am no master tool and die guy, I am working on it, but it will take years of time. I realize, understand, and partially agree with what you are saying. However I disagree in the sense that I know how it can be avoided by using quality material, techniques, and design. It is the ignorance of these three things that lead to this type of failure, the widespread of this ignorance has created the acceptance of " it will fail, it is a matter of when not if".
I've seen some sweet bracing rigs, but ultimately it's a paint machine. Metal fatigue sets in at some point.
Also, Matt, you have some interesting shit in your PB.
(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs71.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fi123%2Fmattgroshong%2FPicture014.jpg&hash=224f429b10b712d6a7fa8742e01b519652205c3b)
Unless someone made a second intake like that, I got to see the original at a CRX meet in Niagara.
N6 or N8, hrm, they were all a blur :)
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I made that sweet abortion of a intake manifold back in 06-07 using the b16 plenum d16 flange out of some stuff laying around.
:noel:
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I fucking hate B16 IMs, but one would be a super sweet budget upgrade for a D16. That's actually a great use for them.
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What amazed me is how the ports are damn close to lining up.
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I hope he isn't serious. I thought that balance shafts serve NO harmonic purpose at all
oops:
they (kinda) equalize the 2nd order inbalance, that happens at 2x crank speed, you could call it a harmonic of the inbalance, or a dynamic inbalance on the vertical only. EDIT: or a 96oz togo cup, or whatever
if a piston at the top is traveling faster than the opposing piston (on the opposite crank throw) is at the bottom, the difference in the two accelerations is the inbalance. (hence the 90deg V8) this is why 4 cylinders are balanced without bob weights, you cant balance the second order, so there is no out of phase counter weight. i think this is why most 4 cylinders lean back in the engine bay. if you look at the 4g, the balance shaft in front is higher than the one in back, so the axis of the inbalance force is probably leaning to the back of the engine. leaning the engine back even more in the engine bay would make this force more inline with the inertia of the car, trying to shake the car front to back instead of up and down. if im not full of shit (a remote possibility) this could be were broken headers come from. because the exhaust runs front to back and the car manufactures try to make the engine shake front to back. literally, the only way to fix this is to put a big old turbo high on the back of the engine with a flex joint as close to the turbo as possible. :yes:
bisi probably invented balance shafts and sold the patent to mitsu and there pole smoking fagots who put it in everything. they just build whatever and use the shafts to get rid of the inbalance. car makers dont want to pay the licensing fee or use stupid ass shafts. honda uses lighter pistons and rods(+), toyoda has offset crankshafts, and volkswagon (ultimate fail) uses a rod so long that they have to use crazy baffles and a 10 gallon pan to keep oil from winding up the crank. other car makers just try to make there engine and tranny as heavy as possible, and mount it in such a away that as soon as it has any real power, it trys to rip itself out. (also VW) :?: another good idea is to just put a V8 in it, thus eliminating all balance issues, at that point any design/implementation problems are purely trivial. if you have ever fixed a wrist watch with a sledge hammer you know what im talking about.
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^^^^Amazing!
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I made that sweet abortion of a intake manifold back in 06-07 using the b16 plenum d16 flange out of some stuff laying around.
:noel:
so yours was the second abortion.
The one I saw was a ZC intake flange + 2" runners with LS intake crapwelded on.
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does that mean i lose :P
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ZC != D16, so in my book you're still a winner.
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ZC = win
VW, mitsu = fail
with regard to inbalance anyway.
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pretty much.
if i had to guess on that header when that runner was built there was some shrinkage when welded and that stress pulling on the runner found the weakest weld, and probably at at hottest point (closest to port) and it failed. im sure its a mixture of poor welding and no backpurge. ill give the guy credit it looks to be assembled well and id hate to have to build one of those over complicated POS.
Agreed, most fabricators underestimate the importance of fit up on tube assemblies. If it doesn't fit like this:
(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi94.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fl83%2F935racer%2FPICT2357.jpg&hash=b08b3769795e4c93a68562e4d0a19251b9412cd1)
(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi94.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fl83%2F935racer%2FPICT2362.jpg&hash=45c01347123785af7a420537b2a58dcf0124fdc2)
than you don't weld it.
LIES
If you cant fill the space with random bolts and other miscellaneous metal items
you still weld it, then use JB weld after.
BITCHES
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pretty much.
if i had to guess on that header when that runner was built there was some shrinkage when welded and that stress pulling on the runner found the weakest weld, and probably at at hottest point (closest to port) and it failed. im sure its a mixture of poor welding and no backpurge. ill give the guy credit it looks to be assembled well and id hate to have to build one of those over complicated POS.
Agreed, most fabricators underestimate the importance of fit up on tube assemblies. If it doesn't fit like this:
(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi94.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fl83%2F935racer%2FPICT2357.jpg&hash=b08b3769795e4c93a68562e4d0a19251b9412cd1)
(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi94.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fl83%2F935racer%2FPICT2362.jpg&hash=45c01347123785af7a420537b2a58dcf0124fdc2)
than you don't weld it.
LIES
If you cant fill the space with random bolts and other miscellaneous metal items
you still weld it, then use JB weld after.
BITCHES
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MADE IN TAIWAN
Hello "vteckidd" headers
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Ya but at least vteckidd is honest about it... LOL.
You see the thread about all those NA header clowns calling each other out???? :noel:
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Ya but at least vteckidd is honest about it... LOL.
You see the thread about all those NA header clowns calling each other out???? :noel:
well if these bottom feeders(replica shit,yO parts) would just build/sell some nice parts not China/ Taiwan junk there wouldn't be the shit Honda community, when it comes to parts sales.
Yeah you sold 50 shitty headers you did nothing to call your own, wheres the pride in that?
I don't get it.
Also
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I agree Just sayin
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I agree Just sayin
Yeah I just get irritated on the subject because everyone thinks they should pay peanuts for custom or nicely built stuff, because vtekkidd sell shit cheap, yadda yadda.
:'(
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Ya but at least vteckidd is honest about it... LOL.
I like honest people. Always liked him.
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http://www.cb7tuner.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=143273 (http://www.cb7tuner.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=143273)
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and thennnnn?
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NO AND THEN!
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I believe it. B20 motors pick up 20whp with no tuning when you bolt on LS intake and exhaust manifolds.
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http://www.cb7tuner.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=143273 (http://www.cb7tuner.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=143273)
Do tell what you are trying to prove?
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i just found it interesting that the mods locked that thread not allowing any questions to be answered in public...that and the nut swinging is funny it makes for entertaining reading idiots asking and idiots responding, grab your hip waders the shit gets thick on that site
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I find it funny youre fat.
Merry Xmas homes...... Im going to dads fopr a few hours then Ill be at the Hall.... Lets meet up later and ill kicvk you in the gooch.
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hey this isnt yahoo dont be instant messaging me....smooches
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Um, wow!
I guess you guys are looking for any reason to bash.
:?:
Life is too short to get worked up over this stuff. If his products fail with any regularity, then so be it. Those with any brains will stop supporting him and his company.
Most of you hate NA Honduhs anyway, so who fucking cares?
As far as the turbo build goes, is it really that much different than any other magazine build/test. You can never be too sure of the results because there is always an alternate agenda when money is involved.
<zips up flamesuit>
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I think the power gain from that header is reasonable. Big, long tubes accentuate the entire powerband, and that era Accord stock will pick up a 25% gain in power below 2000 rpms with a tune.
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Ya but at least vteckidd is honest about it... LOL.
You see the thread about all those NA header clowns calling each other out???? :noel:
I like him in certain aspects and dislike him in others. Overall he is a straight up guy.
but no i have not seen that, you got a link?
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http://honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2653813&highlight=header+money (http://honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2653813&highlight=header+money)
think thats the one.
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http://honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2653813&highlight=header+money (http://honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2653813&highlight=header+money)
think thats the one.
jesus christ.
i swear the bisi rep (robert) has searched for posts by me and replied in threads just because he knows i dont like him. He even found me on my local florida forum and posted in my build thread about buying bisi cams....
ROBERT AND JUSTIN:
GO FUCK YOURSELF
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These Dyno Test/Charts do exist.So there is no need to pay anyone.
The Engineers at Bisimoto Engineering have done extensive research,development, and design on all of our products INCLUDING our headers. Thus leading to one of the most efficient ,power-producing headers in the world. It is this information that we base our products and our statements upon.
In regard to The Bisimoto Spec Headers vs. The Original Headers that you knocked-off, as well as your current Replicas, it would be in your best interest that dyno charts/results remain with Bisimoto and you continue to focus on your market and we will continue to focus on ours.
Best of luck to you. :thumbup:
talk about getting defensive.
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These Dyno Test/Charts do exist.So there is no need to pay anyone.
The Engineers at Bisimoto Engineering have done extensive research,development, and design on all of our products INCLUDING our headers. Thus leading to one of the most efficient ,power-producing headers in the world. It is this information that we base our products and our statements upon.
In regard to The Bisimoto Spec Headers vs. The Original Headers that you knocked-off, as well as your current Replicas, it would be in your best interest that dyno charts/results remain with Bisimoto and you continue to focus on your market and we will continue to focus on ours.
Best of luck to you. :thumbup:
talk about getting defensive.
i wonder how much they get paid to be cock suckers
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These Dyno Test/Charts do exist.So there is no need to pay anyone.
The Engineers at Bisimoto Engineering have done extensive research,development, and design on all of our products INCLUDING our headers. Thus leading to one of the most efficient ,power-producing headers in the world. It is this information that we base our products and our statements upon.
In regard to The Bisimoto Spec Headers vs. The Original Headers that you knocked-off, as well as your current Replicas, it would be in your best interest that dyno charts/results remain with Bisimoto and you continue to focus on your market and we will continue to focus on ours.
Best of luck to you. :thumbup:
talk about getting defensive.
i wonder how much they get paid to be cock suckers
Well, if they can only afford to build rusted out, unwanted FWD wagovans on GE's dime...
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These Dyno Test/Charts do exist.So there is no need to pay anyone.
The Engineers at Bisimoto Engineering have done extensive research,development, and design on all of our products INCLUDING our headers. Thus leading to one of the most efficient ,power-producing headers in the world. It is this information that we base our products and our statements upon.
In regard to The Bisimoto Spec Headers vs. The Original Headers that you knocked-off, as well as your current Replicas, it would be in your best interest that dyno charts/results remain with Bisimoto and you continue to focus on your market and we will continue to focus on ours.
Best of luck to you. :thumbup:
talk about getting defensive.
i wonder how much they get paid to be cock suckers
Well, if they can only afford to build rusted out, unwanted FWD wagovans on GE's dime...
yea, they are definitely doing it for the cock.
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yep. i will usually tear stuff back apart if i assemble it and realize thereis a gap. especially tubing because filling gaps on such thin matl is hard as hell and looks like shit.
I dont know how many times Eville140 done this on my manifold, only places I have had cracks is at collector and the wrap around wastegate placement... Is mostly because
1. I didnt have enough hangers on exhaust system'weight'
2. I chose a shotty area for wastegate for fitment and easy removal.
I have plans to get back over to eville140's place in NewHarmony IN for a better designed manifold without being time restricted like last time. And Show it off with Indiana Pride as I have done so to this day.
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yep. i will usually tear stuff back apart if i assemble it and realize thereis a gap. especially tubing because filling gaps on such thin matl is hard as hell and looks like shit.
I dont know how many times Eville140 done this on my manifold, only places I have had cracks is at collector and the wrap around wastegate placement... Is mostly because
1. I didnt have enough hangers on exhaust system'weight'
2. I chose a shotty area for wastegate for fitment and easy removal.
I have plans to get back over to eville140's place in NewHarmony IN for a better designed manifold without being time restricted like last time. And Show it off with Indiana Pride as I have done so to this day.
did he build that for you for cost of matl?
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http://honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2653813&highlight=header+money (http://honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2653813&highlight=header+money)
think thats the one.
jesus christ.
i swear the bisi rep (robert) has searched for posts by me and replied in threads just because he knows i dont like him. He even found me on my local florida forum and posted in my build thread about buying bisi cams....
ROBERT AND JUSTIN:
GO FUCK YOURSELF
This. Those two are morons on CB7tuner/HT and whatever pther boards they polute as well.... I cant believe bisi lets them fucking speak publically in his behalf.
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yep. i will usually tear stuff back apart if i assemble it and realize thereis a gap. especially tubing because filling gaps on such thin matl is hard as hell and looks like shit.
I dont know how many times Eville140 done this on my manifold, only places I have had cracks is at collector and the wrap around wastegate placement... Is mostly because
1. I didnt have enough hangers on exhaust system'weight'
2. I chose a shotty area for wastegate for fitment and easy removal.
I have plans to get back over to eville140's place in NewHarmony IN for a better designed manifold without being time restricted like last time. And Show it off with Indiana Pride as I have done so to this day.
did he build that for you for cost of matl?
Yep and pizza and I think sugar cookies!
ALSO GAS 16hrs straight build from the time I got there to the time I left....FULL Vband exhaust and all I paid for all materials
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http://honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2653813&highlight=header+money (http://honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2653813&highlight=header+money)
think thats the one.
jesus christ.
i swear the bisi rep (robert) has searched for posts by me and replied in threads just because he knows i dont like him. He even found me on my local florida forum and posted in my build thread about buying bisi cams....
ROBERT AND JUSTIN:
GO FUCK YOURSELF
This. Those two are morons on CB7tuner/HT and whatever pther boards they polute as well.... I cant believe bisi lets them fucking speak publically in his behalf.
The worst part is people actually listen to them because they work for Bisi, so they MUST know as much as he does.
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I know absolutely nothing about building a NA 4cyl, other than the materials to build a good header cost about the same as building a turbo manifold with a turbo :yes:
But if I was going to be posting pictures of my pretty darn expensive NA header I would pick one where the runners where aligned better. I mean WTF...runner #4 just looks strange.
(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi599.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ftt75%2Fincrediblegrant2%2Fl_8d0497fb8c211f5c8ccb57123bc57f86.jpg&hash=31ac72406fbc34d5c4141a0abfd308402658c239)
(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi599.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ftt75%2Fincrediblegrant2%2Fl_bc60fc9ad9cb49983ad5f3af80b67829.jpg&hash=df86b5e57364fdcfd911033225a99b133c6fcee2)
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HELLO
MADE IN FUCKING TAIWAN
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HELLO
MADE IN FUCKING TAIWAN
Disagree. I'm fairly certain Robert and justin make them.
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after wacking off their boss, they get magical hands
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http://www.cb7tuner.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=143273 (http://www.cb7tuner.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=143273)
robert@bisimoto is a dipshit. He knows nothing about performance and just regurgitates bullshit that bisi feeds him. He just trolls around looking for places to peddle bisimoto products.
He even had the audacity to tell danz that his setup "wasn't very good" when danz said that the bisi cam sucked. This was well AFTER danz went 10s on a Colt cam
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http://www.cb7tuner.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=143273 (http://www.cb7tuner.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=143273)
robert@bisimoto is a dipshit. He knows nothing about performance and just regurgitates bullshit that bisi feeds him. He just trolls around looking for places to peddle bisimoto products.
He even had the audacity to tell danz that his setup "wasn't very good" when danz said that the bisi cam sucked. This was well AFTER danz went 10s on a Colt cam
both of them have made outrageous claims about bisi products to make them look superior to other products even when there is no proof.
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I know absolutely nothing about building a NA 4cyl, other than the materials to build a good header cost about the same as building a turbo manifold with a turbo :yes:
But if I was going to be posting pictures of my pretty darn expensive NA header I would pick one where the runners where aligned better. I mean WTF...runner #4 just looks strange.
(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi599.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ftt75%2Fincrediblegrant2%2Fl_8d0497fb8c211f5c8ccb57123bc57f86.jpg&hash=31ac72406fbc34d5c4141a0abfd308402658c239)
(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi599.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ftt75%2Fincrediblegrant2%2Fl_bc60fc9ad9cb49983ad5f3af80b67829.jpg&hash=df86b5e57364fdcfd911033225a99b133c6fcee2)
i thought the same thing the second i saw it. hello miter cuts, i bet that runner flows awesome ::)
for something thats 800 it should be assembles better. you can tell the welds underneath it look like shit which is probably why they coated it.
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That manifold tag is about as tacky as it gets.
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i concur bisi would be better off without those two fucking his shit up all day online.
but robert gives good head. justin told me so when i was plugging his ass with a fat white cock
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He has excellent media visibility for sure. It's too bad that his resale products don't seem to live up to the marketing hype.
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anyone see the latest updates? :(
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Link?
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I hope he isn't serious. I thought that balance shafts serve NO harmonic purpose at all
oops:
they (kinda) equalize the 2nd order inbalance, that happens at 2x crank speed, you could call it a harmonic of the inbalance, or a dynamic inbalance on the vertical only. EDIT: or a 96oz togo cup, or whatever
if a piston at the top is traveling faster than the opposing piston (on the opposite crank throw) is at the bottom, the difference in the two accelerations is the inbalance. (hence the 90deg V8) this is why 4 cylinders are balanced without bob weights, you cant balance the second order, so there is no out of phase counter weight. i think this is why most 4 cylinders lean back in the engine bay. if you look at the 4g, the balance shaft in front is higher than the one in back, so the axis of the inbalance force is probably leaning to the back of the engine. leaning the engine back even more in the engine bay would make this force more inline with the inertia of the car, trying to shake the car front to back instead of up and down. if im not full of shit (a remote possibility) this could be were broken headers come from. because the exhaust runs front to back and the car manufactures try to make the engine shake front to back. literally, the only way to fix this is to put a big old turbo high on the back of the engine with a flex joint as close to the turbo as possible. :yes:
bisi probably invented balance shafts and sold the patent to mitsu and there pole smoking fagots who put it in everything. they just build whatever and use the shafts to get rid of the inbalance. car makers dont want to pay the licensing fee or use stupid ass shafts. honda uses lighter pistons and rods(+), toyoda has offset crankshafts, and volkswagon (ultimate fail) uses a rod so long that they have to use crazy baffles and a 10 gallon pan to keep oil from winding up the crank. other car makers just try to make there engine and tranny as heavy as possible, and mount it in such a away that as soon as it has any real power, it trys to rip itself out. (also VW) :?: another good idea is to just put a V8 in it, thus eliminating all balance issues, at that point any design/implementation problems are purely trivial. if you have ever fixed a wrist watch with a sledge hammer you know what im talking about.
Lurker of the year.
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anyone see the latest updates? :(
lulz
I wish this were the case for me. The header I have is falling apart, but since it purchased as a "prototype" I suppose this was to be expected. I'd pm'd you about it, but had NO IDEA at the time the extent of what I found after looking further. The thing is cracking everywhere...even the bisimoto badge cracked and fell off...lol.
I can't afford to replace it so I will cut it up and replace sections myself. You may have to take a real look at who's welding this stuff. I can't really determine the weld quality because mine is coated, but its shot that's for sure.
Hope you resolve the issues. I'd hate for your reputation to be damaged by poor quality in a tough and competitive market. I know your committed to your work, so I'm sure you'll handle it. Put the smack down Bisi.
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I finally looked at the thread on H-T. Turns out that I know the OP.
lol
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So yesterday I was at my cousins house and had to use the shitter. Popped open a (i assume recent) Honda Tuning magazine, I think I saw bisi's name thrown around 3 times throughout the magazine just in the few things I read, and one of them highly recommending his headers :P and I think another one was talking about his cams...
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I wish this were the case for me. The header I have is falling apart, but since it purchased as a "prototype" I suppose this was to be expected. I'd pm'd you about it, but had NO IDEA at the time the extent of what I found after looking further. The thing is cracking everywhere...even the bisimoto badge cracked and fell off...lol.
I can't afford to replace it so I will cut it up and replace sections myself. You may have to take a real look at who's welding this stuff. I can't really determine the weld quality because mine is coated, but its shot that's for sure.
Hope you resolve the issues. I'd hate for your reputation to be damaged by poor quality in a tough and competitive market. I know your committed to your work, so I'm sure you'll handle it. Put the smack down Bisi.
What a fucking nut swinger.
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found this on honda-tech
(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi137.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fq215%2FTheReaper31%2FRandom%2520Stuff%2FNutSwinger.jpg&hash=601b566ae19c2b4d286b4ee042ba212c3444934b)
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http://www.cb7tuner.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=143273 (http://www.cb7tuner.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=143273)
robert@bisimoto is a dipshit. He knows nothing about performance and just regurgitates bullshit that bisi feeds him. He just trolls around looking for places to peddle bisimoto products.
He even had the audacity to tell danz that his setup "wasn't very good" when danz said that the bisi cam sucked. This was well AFTER danz went 10s on a Colt cam
geoff from colt cams is local to me. the guy is a master with cams. 30+years experience >copying someone else design and putting your name on it.
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ya man that colt cam i got my hands on was bad ass. loved that thing.
gotta give it back to its owner on wednesday :(
thankfully geoff is going to work with me for a z6 cam that should be even more bad ass.
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http://www.cb7tuner.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=143273 (http://www.cb7tuner.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=143273)
robert@bisimoto is a dipshit. He knows nothing about performance and just regurgitates bullshit that bisi feeds him. He just trolls around looking for places to peddle bisimoto products.
He even had the audacity to tell danz that his setup "wasn't very good" when danz said that the bisi cam sucked. This was well AFTER danz went 10s on a Colt cam
geoff from colt cams is local to me. the guy is a master with cams. 30+years experience >copying someone else design and putting your name on it.
That means you are local to me as well, Geoff and I have developed quite a few cams over the years. He is in fact, top notch.
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Not only does Geoff, manufacture great cams, he also sponsors local drag racing. He is good people.
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He willfully assists Canadians? I will bash him on every web forum I frequent.
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He willfully assists Canadians? I will bash him on every web forum I frequent.
Colt Cams is a Canadian company, no?
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yes
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:-X
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:-X
Rotard...
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D15B7 with bisimoto cam and rebuilt head (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fK5SvE7buX8#normal)
Dude check out Bisi's sweet customers. Further proof that Bisimoto level 3.6 camshaft is the shit!
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either that motor had no oil pressure, or he didnt rev it enough. O0 :mexi: O0 :mexi: O0 :mexi: O0 :mexi: O0 :mexi: O0 :mexi: O0 :mexi: O0 :mexi: O0 :mexi: O0 :mexi: O0 :mexi: O0 :mexi: O0 :mexi: O0 :mexi: O0 :mexi: O0 :mexi: O0 :mexi: O0 :mexi: O0 :mexi: O0 :mexi: O0 :mexi: O0 :mexi: O0 :mexi: O0 :mexi: O0 :mexi: O0 :mexi: O0 :mexi: O0 :mexi: O0 :mexi: O0 :mexi: O0 :mexi: O0 :mexi: O0 :mexi: O0 :mexi: O0 :mexi: O0 :mexi: O0 :mexi: O0 :mexi: O0 :mexi: O0 :mexi:
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D15B7 with bisimoto cam and rebuilt head (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fK5SvE7buX8#normal)
Dude check out Bisi's sweet customers. Further proof that Bisimoto level 3.6 camshaft is the shit!
I'm surprised more oil didn't spray everywhere.
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D15B7 with bisimoto cam and rebuilt head (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fK5SvE7buX8#normal)
Dude check out Bisi's sweet customers. Further proof that Bisimoto level 3.6 camshaft is the shit!
I'm surprised more oil didn't spray everywhere.
Yeah, I learned by my own that you don't start a motor without the valve cover. There was oil everywhere in less than 2 seconds (https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.realhomemadeturbo.com%2Fforum%2FSmileys%2Fclassic%2Frolleyes.gif&hash=5805137b67db00abde932177bc58b11cc93be8c2) lol
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Yes colt is Canadian, same city I live in, just down the street actually.
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either that motor had no oil pressure, or he didnt rev it enough.
No need for oil. Torco assembly lube, Bisi is all about it... do you guys really think you can run 9's all motor with all that taffy on the crank :noel:
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D15B7 with bisimoto cam and rebuilt head (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fK5SvE7buX8#normal)
Dude check out Bisi's sweet customers. Further proof that Bisimoto level 3.6 camshaft is the shit!
I'm surprised more oil didn't spray everywhere.
Yeah, I learned by my own that you don't start a motor without the valve cover. There was oil everywhere in less than 2 seconds (https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.realhomemadeturbo.com%2Fforum%2FSmileys%2Fclassic%2Frolleyes.gif&hash=5805137b67db00abde932177bc58b11cc93be8c2) lol
Rossdom before BOTI trying to identify an odd non cyclic noise..... No oil anywhere due to operation style blue towel usage.. LOL...
(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi44.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ff4%2Fbigdaddyvtec%2FBOTI%2FNigdom%2Fth_Picture011.jpg&hash=935397b643e0a2383be7b07d7851ac0680e76010) (http://s44.photobucket.com/albums/f4/bigdaddyvtec/BOTI/Nigdom/?action=view¤t=Picture011.flv)
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Are those the Bisimoto Turbo 45.7 Blue Towels?
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I was waiting for the guy who kept sticking his head down close to get oil in his eye.
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I was waiting for the guy who kept sticking his head down close to get oil in his eye.
Ross is smarter than that.
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Are those the Bisimoto Turbo 45.7 Blue Towels?
Nah those are GFI approved smurf sheets son O0
Also its noted that WC>EC>Canada (Except for Dave and Aaron) O0 ...
ZIIIIIING!
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either that motor had no oil pressure, or he didnt rev it enough.
No need for oil. Torco assembly lube, Bisi is all about it... do you guys really think you can run 9's all motor with all that taffy on the crank :noel:
so thats his secret, i was wondering how to build a 673 psi bmep 8000rpm 1.6l 702whp level 3.6 in your ass and pump gas in your butt, cocksmoking;kjhads;uhsrvplsdlb vnsjkxc nknkandsfucksthe ddonkeykvjnijbn kbnbdfvv dasfv i hit vtec dawg v adsdsfvafrwyjegtuyjyt failure...
fuck me, i opened windows help
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http://www.honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2702437 (http://www.honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2702437)
i like the dude, but wow... i wonder where his headers are made? now they arent only cracking, but rusting too.
then again, my PACE SETTER is rusted, but my pace setter was free....
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hahaha that's classic. His products rock. :?:
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304 will rust.
It's one of the cheapest varieties of stainless.
316 is better.
Stainless only means that it corrodes less. It's not completely corrosion proof.
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316 is also a lot softer and prone to cracking, not to mention expensive.
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i find it wierd that every guy on that site and a few others (cb7tuner.com)that has a problem with bisimotos shit tip toe around dropping his name if i buy a product and its shit i have no problem saying so...ITS SHIT !!!!!
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i tip toed around it because i wanted my money back
when that didnt happen... well... we all know the rest.
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i tip toed around it because i wanted my money back
when that didnt happen... well... we all know the rest.
Ya, your setup got bashed by Robert and Bisi himself...
I guess 10s on a budget isn't very good :-\
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i tip toed around it because i wanted my money back
when that didnt happen... well... we all know the rest.
Ya, your setup got bashed by Robert and Bisi himself...
I guess 10s on a budget isn't very good :-\
duh, you need to go 10's on $25k or it's gay.
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i tip toed around it because i wanted my money back
when that didnt happen... well... we all know the rest.
Ya, your setup got bashed by Robert and Bisi himself...
I guess 10s on a budget isn't very good :-\
duh, you need to go 10's on $25k or it's gay.
Fuck, I keep forgetting the unwritten rules
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see now im really confused im about 25k into my 3rd build and ive yet to see 10s
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You might not want to disclose hat information fat ass... besides, youve just about put a CDM baby through college with going to Tommys shop SON!!!
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see now im really confused im about 25k into my 3rd build and ive yet to see 10s
WTF? do you just burn money for warmth. How do you dump that much into something and not run fast as shit.
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see now im really confused im about 25k into my 3rd build and ive yet to see 10s
WTF? do you just burn money for warmth. How do you dump that much into something and not run fast as shit.
Its eazy h22+Accord+lots of cheeseburgers=Fail. :P
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Accord = fail period... He in no way has 25 in that pile of shit... Maybe over the entire time hes owned it and all the changes combined and whatnot.... Its got Id say around 15 in it as it sits.
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see now im really confused im about 25k into my 3rd build and ive yet to see 10s
WTF? do you just burn money for warmth. How do you dump that much into something and not run fast as shit.
Its eazy h22+Accord+lots of cheeseburgers=Fail. :P
I'd say zing, but... it's not funny. Stuck in the 11's for life. :-X
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like i said 3 builds and i use to pay for labor as the car sits now i might have 13k in it
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Why when he mentions that its a bisimoto header, no one says a word about it? the whole conversation is redirected elsewhere following that post.
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Why when he mentions that its a bisimoto header, no one says a word about it? the whole conversation is redirected elsewhere following that post.
Bisi has people confused that he can run 9's on motor but offer such piss poor parts/service. People dont want to belief it.
I almost feel like Im 19 again and hearing about jg engine dynamics horror stories.
We have come full circle
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Why when he mentions that its a bisimoto header, no one says a word about it? the whole conversation is redirected elsewhere following that post.
Bisi has people confused that he can run 9's on motor but offer such piss poor parts/service. People dont want to belief it.
I almost feel like Im 19 again and hearing about jg engine dynamics horror stories.
We have come full circle
You just summed it up.
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Why when he mentions that its a bisimoto header, no one says a word about it? the whole conversation is redirected elsewhere following that post.
Bisi has people confused that he can run 9's on motor but offer such piss poor parts/service. People dont want to belief it.
I almost feel like Im 19 again and hearing about jg engine dynamics horror stories.
We have come full circle
Aint that the fucking truth
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true story:
I email bisi for a price on a header, they respond with a wholesale application with a buy-in and wont respond when i say i just want a price for one header
...and im caught in the middle between JG and a customer who has been waiting since august for 4k worth of their shit
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How do you get in the middle of a JG transaction, Jay? Not to be a dick, but that's basic scene knowledge from '98 that you and Chrises should know better than to become involved in.
IDK, ask Donald125 to walk across the street and pick up the shit like he did that cam gear three years ago?
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ha ive been fucked by JG not nearly as bad as some but still :noel:
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Why when he mentions that its a bisimoto header, no one says a word about it? the whole conversation is redirected elsewhere following that post.
Bisi has people confused that he can run 9's on motor but offer such piss poor parts/service. People dont want to belief it.
I almost feel like Im 19 again and hearing about jg engine dynamics horror stories.
We have come full circle
Aint that the fucking truth
I'm 19 now, so I missed out on the JG horror stories. Just another one for this generation of tuners I suppose. Its too bad really. There has to be some talent somewhere in there to be able to put an F22A into the 9's with no boost or bottle (even in a light as fuck insight shell). They have fucking GOLD to work with, tons of people would basically want "parts X, Y, and Z from the drag car", and probably still pay enough to turn profits. Selling shit that LOOKS like it, but is of CDM quality just hurts everyone.
Also being a lying, self-important cock with no humility doesn't help things either. If instead of saying:
"I'm gonna make 700whp on pump gas with a d16 with a build you could replicate and put it in a wagovan, because I'm god"
Then failing and censoring people giving constructive criticism/skepticism (goes along with the god claims), he had simply said something along the lines of:
"People don't think I can do forced induction, I'm going to give it a try and see how far I can push a D-series on a budget, or on a balls to the wall blinged out budget, and stick it into a wagovan just for the lulz, and we'll see how much power it makes when it's done."
I think I'd dislike him less.
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ha ive been fucked by JG not nearly as bad as some but still :noel:
We've already determined you're not very bright. Why do you feel the need to reinforce that?
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so youve never been fucked over? ever? how are you so perfect...
Fuck you seriously
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hahahaa I loled
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Brian is fucking trashed off METH
hense I LOL'd off this post
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Really???
No jeremy. Youre wife is trashed off meth, hence why she sucks cock 10 at a time.
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Really???
No jeremy. Youre wife is trashed off meth, hence why she sucks cock 10 at a time.
That's a low blow, sir. We all know she's crafty enough to go right for a dealer so she doesn't have to look for a new cock to suck.
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widebuddy is zooted
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just when a thread gets stale.
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Really???
No jeremy. Youre wife is trashed off meth, hence why she sucks cock 10 at a time.
That's a low blow, sir. We all know she's crafty enough to go right for a dealer so she doesn't have to look for a new cock to suck.
From what I gather its the thrill of the chase with her, I mean why stop with one... If your theory were the case widehos would have been the be all end all...
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Really???
No jeremy. Youre wife is trashed off meth, hence why she sucks cock 10 at a time.
That's a low blow, sir. We all know she's crafty enough to go right for a dealer so she doesn't have to look for a new cock to suck.
From what I gather its the thrill of the chase with her, I mean why stop with one... If your theory were the case widehos would have been the be all end all...
Were any nudes of wideho ever posted?
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Yes. Have you ever eaten at Arby's?
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(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.arbysspringfield.com%2Fimages%2Fmenu%2Freg-roast-beef.jpg&hash=8562a2da77b7967a2f05fd99f7ae39579f5a1ce7)
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Yes. Have you ever eaten at Arby's?
No. >:(
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lol
roastbeef sammich, mmmmm....