:::RHMT::: Real Home Made Turbo
General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: notfastcrx on December 24, 2009, 10:44:05 PM
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My dad and i have been into powdercoating for about 5 years now and we just took our first shot at ceramic coating. did a DP, and some other stuff for a wrx. stuff is good for 2000 degrees.i'll get more pics up soon.
prices are very low and turn around time will be about a week if anyone is interested.
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That black looks pimp :yes:
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very nice! I always love the flat black look.
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wait till you see the mitsu turbo housing i did ;)
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i want you to coat my entire turbo system for 50$
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mmmm, no
i want you to coat my entire turbo system for 50$
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Hum I was thinking of doing this to the top of some pistons.
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http://motherless.com/E6287E8 (http://motherless.com/E6287E8)
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http://motherless.com/E6287E8 (http://motherless.com/E6287E8)
I love that dirty little whore.
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i know we do
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http://motherless.com/E6287E8 (http://motherless.com/E6287E8)
I love that dirty little whore.
I loved her mother :)
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Here's the rest of the pictures. the guy insisted we do everything ceramic. whatever the customer wants i guess. enjoy.
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and the money shot......
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whats a typical price here for a manifold, lets say log manifold, and then a whole block 1.8, im not doing any of this jw
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if the block is completely disassembled, and clean. a couple hundred for both. not including shipping of course.
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That turbo is front page material.
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I know you guys are getting your tax returns soon. a perfect time to get your shit ceramic/powder coated. pm me for pricing. :yes:
here's some more pics of what i can do. we can basically do any color (gloss, flat, or wrinkle)
black with silver lettering
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red with silver lettering
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semi gloss silver.
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powder coating FTW my dad does this shit too he painted my rims black and they look 100x better then spray paint :noel:
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i have been powercoating for years and have considered giving it a shot.
any chance you would tell me where you get it?
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we get our stuff from all over. columbiacoatings.com mainly
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cool. i have gotten most of my stuff from eastwood.com
im not happy with their stuff, but they sell in small quantities pretty cheap and i dont do a whole lot at once and im still using a household oven. i will check them out
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yeah eastwood has good stuff but they take forever with shipping. i can usually have parts in and out within a few days. but if it takes them a week to get me the powder the customer is on hold, which sucks.
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i have always gotten things in just a few days form them, but it seems like their powders arent consistant. i get varying results from their stuff, but i have used other powers with solid results
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the cost to color parts is more than the parts themselves
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a whole block
ATTENTION FAGGOTS
Powder coating, or paint, is a really good way to fuck up your electrical system if you don't THINK about it. I'd consider doing it for a really clean setup you garage most of the time, but you need to ground the alternator housing to a ground bar, and use it as your main ground point for starter, thermostat (ECU) ground, chassis ground, etc.
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a whole block
ATTENTION FAGGOTS
Powder coating, or paint, is a really good way to fuck up your electrical system if you don't THINK about it. I'd consider doing it for a really clean setup you garage most of the time, but you need to ground the alternator housing to a ground bar, and use it as your main ground point for starter, thermostat (ECU) ground, chassis ground, etc.
wat color do u reccomend powder coating the ground bar and how much does it cost
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a whole block
ATTENTION FAGGOTS
Powder coating, or paint, is a really good way to fuck up your electrical system if you don't THINK about it. I'd consider doing it for a really clean setup you garage most of the time, but you need to ground the alternator housing to a ground bar, and use it as your main ground point for starter, thermostat (ECU) ground, chassis ground, etc.
wat color do u reccomend powder coating the ground bar and how much does it cost
I need pics of your ground bar before I can say. *wink*
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i dont think my car has a ground right now i was gonna buy one but i wanna diy hmt and buy just the bar and then custom powder coat it like nate and then instal to the starter and alternator on the engine
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Shouldn't this be in the classifieds? This is just a for sale thread.
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Shouldn't this be in the classifieds? This is just a for sale thread.
yeah i suppose it is. i just wanted to share my work but then i figure i'd see if there was a market for it on here. this is rhmt after all so i guess not ;) we're all broke ass nigerians.
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If you have a coating business you can buy it direct from techline. Good stuff been applying their coatings for years. Getting the polished ceramic-krome to look right is a bitch.
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i have been powercoating for years and have considered giving it a shot.
any chance you would tell me where you get it?
Check out http://www.powderbuythepound.com/catalog/ (http://www.powderbuythepound.com/catalog/) best company I have delt with for powder and ceramic.
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What's everyone's thoughts on coating a mild steel manifold inside and out as far as longevity? Will it hold up, or is it merely a performance mod?
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I have no personal experience with a professional coated manifold but i would think coating the inside would be a bad idea.
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Why? Pieces chipping off?
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Yeah turbo spinning 100k rpm and some chunks of coating hitting it sounds bad.
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Good point, but I wonder how likely that is? I know coating the inside is done quite a bit.
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I have no personal experience with a professional coated manifold but i would think coating the inside would be a bad idea.
Yeah turbo spinning 100k rpm and some chunks of coating hitting it sounds bad.
I have personal experience w/diy stuff from Techline... Think about it. Where do you want the heat? Not in the metal. As you raise the temperature of the metal the weaker/softer it becomes.
So yeah, let's coat the outside and hold the heat in the metal... wrong idea folks...
I coated the piston crowns, valves, and exhaust ports of my vitara slugged a6 w/cbc1. My engine has probably 4/5000 miles and 20+ 12second passes on it. And guess what, I've used the same turbine wheel the whole time.
Prep is key to make the stuff stick. When the instructions say to blast the part w/120grit aluminum oxide before spraying. What is one to do? pay attention... The chemical engineers didn't write that shit down just to nag you with something that's a pita.
So yeah if you're gonna coat the outside for looks, go ahead and coat the inside for performance too...
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Thank you Sir. I'm trying to keep my under hood temps down, and the manifold from rusting apart. it's going to be on a front mount S2000 manifold that I only want to build once. What's the curing temperature for that stuff? I didn't figure it was that fragile, but it's hard to weed through all the marketing online.
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I don't remember the baking temp or time off the top of my head. I'll have to see if I still have the instructions/packaging later. I do remember that we did it in a home oven. So it wasn't too high of a temp.
Also I don't have any experience w/their header/manifold coating products, so I can't tell ya how their gonna hold up.
You could cut some sweet holes in your hood like that guy Jeff w/the t1 s2k from hell...
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I have no personal experience with a professional coated manifold but i would think coating the inside would be a bad idea.
Yeah turbo spinning 100k rpm and some chunks of coating hitting it sounds bad.
I have personal experience w/diy stuff from Techline... Think about it. Where do you want the heat? Not in the metal. As you raise the temperature of the metal the weaker/softer it becomes.
So yeah, let's coat the outside and hold the heat in the metal... wrong idea folks...
I coated the piston crowns, valves, and exhaust ports of my vitara slugged a6 w/cbc1. My engine has probably 4/5000 miles and 20+ 12second passes on it. And guess what, I've used the same turbine wheel the whole time.
Prep is key to make the stuff stick. When the instructions say to blast the part w/120grit aluminum oxide before spraying. What is one to do? pay attention... The chemical engineers didn't write that shit down just to nag you with something that's a pita.
So yeah if you're gonna coat the outside for looks, go ahead and coat the inside for performance too...
hold on there chief, i did put a disclaimer. No need to go off.
i understand how coatings work, just never had first hand experience. I would love to talk to you about the vitara a6 and coatings. expect a pm soon.
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I didn't intend to sound like I was going off. Just trying to get the facts straight...
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The temp rating on the DIY stuff is what I'm wondering about. I don't know if it changes composition while curing to handle more heat, or if it's just not designed to go that high. No matter, I was mostly worried about longevity of the part over what process is used. Thanks guys.
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Techline link for internal engine coating :
http://www.techlinecoatingswebstore.com/Products-Internal_Coatings.html (http://www.techlinecoatingswebstore.com/Products-Internal_Coatings.html)
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Well that answers the temperature question! :)
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I recently coated my HF manifold and adapter plate in the 1200* ceramic that they sell at Autozone. How does this compair to powder coat ceramic?
I haven't got the turbo kit on yet. I just need some charge piping.
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1200° is probably not enough. let us know though
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If the ceramic coating was properly done i don't see any peeling off and mild steel would be more reliable than SS once coated to prevent corrosion.
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High temp powder is good to 1200F but ceramic is not powder and most of it is good to 2000F.
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My bad. I mixed these up. The paint for my calipers was 1200* The stuff I used on my manifold was only for 500* but has ceramic.
googled a pic of the can since im to lazy to go take on.
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How much for a set of motorcycle wheels?
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How much for a set of motorcycle wheels?
the thing about big stuff is, you probably would be better off buying new ones in the color you want. the price for a car wheel is about $40 just to coat it. not including stripping it and labor. a rough estimate would be $150 plus shipping for two bike wheels. so its pretty much only worth it if ur local.
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Red Marchesini's are hard to find :(
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if ur willing to spend a couple hundred, then lets talk.
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The stuff I used on my manifold was only for 500* but has ceramic.
googled a pic of the can since im to lazy to go take on.
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That shit is going to burn and flake off in no time
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I used that same Duplicolor shit on my sbc 350, and it hasn't held up any better than any other paint. As for the black I put on my turbo, it's turned white and rusty with zero temp reduction. However, its stayed perfectly black on the sub-500F parts like my DP and dump tube. Now that I think of it, maybe the DP paint was that 1200F grill stuff from homeless depot.
Roger McDaniels has experience with Techline stuff, he did a DIY on Honda-tech, rmcdaniels should be the name. Their old website had more info on it, the new site seems to be all jumbled still. As far as temp, it apparently keeps it's color to at LEAST 1600F (that's metal surface temp, not EGT's), and stays intact until 2000F. If you can do that on a gasoline motor, you're doing something wrong - or really really right. :P
http://www.techlinecoatingswebstore.com/Exhaust_Coatings-Exhaust_Coating_Black_Satin_Header_Coating.html (http://www.techlinecoatingswebstore.com/Exhaust_Coatings-Exhaust_Coating_Black_Satin_Header_Coating.html)
I need pics of your ground bar before I can say. *wink*
Fun-ee. I dare someone to sig that quote, completely out of context.
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This is Yoseph Davids we are speaking of.
That is the context in which he meant it.
Yoseph Davids <3 Boy pussy. True Story.