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[toyolla86]

whats more beneficial

having short intercooler piping with a top mount ic

or having long ass ic piping with a fmic.

[ochoa]

no IC pvc charge pipes off the turbo

whats it going on a toyota?

[Aero]

Short piping is overrated IMO.

[Cooljnateman]

tall intercooler with alot of rows doesnt need to b long ass 70% of cooling happens in first like 10 inches , shorter piping, 2 1/2 piping diamtere under 375 whp anything over that move to 3 in piping

[toyolla86]

i am asking because the subie's always have the stock ic top mount and super short piping.
but some people spend all kinds of money putting on a fmic. im just not sure they are getting
what they pay for. if shorter piping is better or super cooling is better.

however they do have those huge hood scoops that funnel air straight to the ic.

i too am of the opinion that shorter ic piping is better.

[glustic]

Who gives a fuck what suby owners do with there mothers money

[NoPistons!]

I'm going top mount short route piping on my car because i plan on ripping the front bumper off and running into shit....alot.

I could care less what the performance gains are as long as my bits and pieces are out of harms way.

In terms of overall cooling, air doesn't have to pass through the intercooler to get to the radiator.  Much more surface area is exposed to cool air and the vent allows air to pass through the front bumper through the intercooler and through the reverse vents in the hood.  For my setup i'm building i want my oil, air and water coolers to get as much fresh cool air as they can and have as much hot air exit the engine bay as fast as possible.

I'll accomplish this with a setup similar to this:







That's the vent i'll be purchasing in a few days.




Here is a subie running a similar setup.  I consider it a v mount radiator with a high mount intercooler.  Fins are parallel with the ground....... 

I'm told throttle/turbo response is quicker with shorter piping but doing the setup strictly for that purpose is debatable.

+1 for subie owners playing with mommy and daddy's money.  Atleast all the evo/subie ass clowns around here do.  Faggots like to throttle up and let off next to me like i'm jealous of their bov's and turbo spool they didn't work a day to get and will probably total within a year thinking they're fucking ken block.

[turbob16hatch]

+1 for subie owners playing with mommy and daddy's money.  Atleast all the evo/subie ass clowns around here do.  Faggots like to throttle up and let off next to me like i'm jealous of their bov's and turbo spool they didn't work a day to get and will probably total within a year thinking they're fucking ken block.

yeah and your FAKE drfter wannabe ass isn't played out or fucking lame. Give me a break...

why are you still here anyway.

[danz]

trying to pressurize your engine bay eh... looks like a good setup for that.

[NoiseRacing]

V mount setup with proper hood extraction.

[NoPistons!]

I think he was refering to the top mount intercooler pressurizing the engine bay and like i had already said, that's pretty much what it's doing unless the back of the hood allows for ventilation.


However isn't it a low pressure area where the hood meets the windshield?

Whatever.  Just dont put that shit on top of your engine like that.   

We can argue those scoops add drag as well?

Go high mount, front mount or v mount.  You could mount the intercooler behind the radiator if you have room if you want shorter pipes.

What car is this going on or is it just a general topic?

[glustic]

Your all a bunch of dirty ass  and 

That is all

[Ntrain2k]

I think he was refering to the top mount intercooler pressurizing the engine bay and like i had already said, that's pretty much what it's doing unless the back of the hood allows for ventilation.


However isn't it a low pressure area where the hood meets the windshield?

Whatever.  Just dont put that shit on top of your engine like that.   

We can argue those scoops add drag as well?

Go high mount, front mount or v mount.  You could mount the intercooler behind the radiator if you have room if you want shorter pipes.

What car is this going on or is it just a general topic?

Pretty sure it's a high pressure area on most cars.

[patsmx5]

trying to pressurize your engine bay eh... looks like a good setup for that.

[Joseph Davis]

Short piping is overrated IMO.

Unless the piping gets so cluttered as to be a clusterfuck to deal with, I agree.  Long vs short charge piping = largely irrelevant.

[toyolla86]

just a general topic. i traded my turbo corolla for two gc subies. none of this rich kid shit. these are beaters that need a lot of love. believe me. neither of them run. haha.

so one of them has a front mount and lots and lots of piping. ive never liked all the inordinate amount of piping just for a fmic. so im asking whats the big deal with fmic.  for cleanliness of engine bay, ease of working on your car, and possibly better performance i'd like to get rid of it.

this car has piping running through the fender and thru the bumper and all this and that.
of course i could just keep it front mount and rerun the piping myself. cut and weld.

the things kids will go through just to have a front mount hangin out the bumper.

[patsmx5]

Search for my turbo miata build thread on here and see how I did my FMIC. It's hidden, and the pipes are very short/simple and 2' above the ground, so no chance of them hurting ground clearance or getting damaged, etc. I can pop the hood and get to every T-bolt without removing anything.

FMIC's have their advantages, and if you try, you can make the pipes not be a big issue.

[Joseph Davis]

I never got it either.  They talk about top mounts heat-soaking, but it's a chihuahua head sized turbo and they don't make a lot of power so it's not like they're missing out on much.

[glustic]

Search for my turbo miata build thread on here and see how I did my FMIC. It's hidden, and the pipes are very short/simple and 2' above the ground, so no chance of them hurting ground clearance or getting damaged, etc. I can pop the hood and get to every T-bolt without removing anything.

FMIC's have their advantages, and if you try, you can make the pipes not be a big issue.

Your setup is sickkk. Minus the 600 cherry bombs.... hahah

[NoPistons!]

I think he was refering to the top mount intercooler pressurizing the engine bay and like i had already said, that's pretty much what it's doing unless the back of the hood allows for ventilation.


However isn't it a low pressure area where the hood meets the windshield?

Whatever.  Just dont put that shit on top of your engine like that.   

We can argue those scoops add drag as well?

Go high mount, front mount or v mount.  You could mount the intercooler behind the radiator if you have room if you want shorter pipes.

What car is this going on or is it just a general topic?

Pretty sure it's a high pressure area on most cars.

That's what i meant.  I got my shit backwards.  Oops.


Again, they say the shorter the piping, the better the response. 

A v mount setup is going to cool alot better than a front mount, even though if you are fine with the 'other' setups out there.    Really depends on the application and what YOU want.    Beater scoobies i'd just leave stock and put some crazy loud exhaust on.    If they're just beaters, why go through the effort?

[boosted99SiR]

fmic ftw

[toyolla86]

cause im ghetto fabulous. i can only afford to have a fast car that was homemade.
and im just going to swap a turbo'd motor from japan into it.

[glustic]

cause im ghetto fabulous. i can only afford to have a fast car that was homemade.
and im just going to swap a turbo'd motor from japan into it.

MAD TYTEE JDMM!!!!

[jarebear667]

i usually try to find the shortest route possible but if it makes it stupid hard to work on or find leaks or anything like that i wont do it. back door fmic and regular honda style through the air cleaner area. always works. i cut a 3 inch hole for the galant to do it this way. and it works great.

[jarebear667]

AND  when i think of top mounts all i can think of is heat soak. im prolly way wrong but all that engine heat under the hood just boiling that intercooler, look at early 90s alltracs NO intercooler piping at ALL, roomate has two, refuses to go front mount. fucking piece of shit.

[Corey]

I think he was refering to the top mount intercooler pressurizing the engine bay and like i had already said, that's pretty much what it's doing unless the back of the hood allows for ventilation.


However isn't it a low pressure area where the hood meets the windshield?

Whatever.  Just dont put that shit on top of your engine like that.   

We can argue those scoops add drag as well?

Go high mount, front mount or v mount.  You could mount the intercooler behind the radiator if you have room if you want shorter pipes.

What car is this going on or is it just a general topic?

Pretty sure it's a high pressure area on most cars.

That's what i meant.  I got my shit backwards.  Oops.


Again, they say the shorter the piping, the better the response. 

A v mount setup is going to cool alot better than a front mount, even though if you are fine with the 'other' setups out there.    Really depends on the application and what YOU want.    Beater scoobies i'd just leave stock and put some crazy loud exhaust on.    If they're just beaters, why go through the effort?

you know how i know youre a rotard?

[Joseph Davis]

AND  when i think of top mounts all i can think of is heat soak. im prolly way wrong but all that engine heat under the hood just boiling that intercooler, look at early 90s alltracs NO intercooler piping at ALL, roomate has two, refuses to go front mount. fucking piece of shit.

It's an air-water IC.  Of course it's heatsoaked.

[jarebear667]

AND  when i think of top mounts all i can think of is heat soak. im prolly way wrong but all that engine heat under the hood just boiling that intercooler, look at early 90s alltracs NO intercooler piping at ALL, roomate has two, refuses to go front mount. fucking piece of shit.

It's an air-water IC.  Of course it's heatsoaked.

not the 90-93 or whatever, the 165 and 205 i think are air to water and the 185 is air to air.

[Joseph Davis]

Ah.  Only one I've dealt with was a ST165 with a WRC ST205 swap, they fit the later air-water unit.

[toyolla86]

cause im ghetto fabulous. i can only afford to have a fast car that was homemade.
and im just going to swap a turbo'd motor from japan into it.

MAD TYTEE JDMM!!!!

the parts car came with an ej20g. (that motor didnt come out in america)

i really dont give a shit about jdm.  i just want it to be fast and sleeper status. tired of the fucking cops.