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garrett = CDM?
« on: February 24, 2010, 10:03:51 PM »

Taken from another board, as follows:

""I work at Garrett Turbos, now called Honeywell Turbo Technologies which there so proud of. When Cliff Garrett Owned Garrett He used to brown bag his lunch everyday and cared for a quality Product. If he knew what Honeywell has done now he would turn over in his grave. Honeywell bought Garrett In 1998 or 1999. After this they opened up a turbo testing lab in shanghai China and quickly moved there turbo overhaul to Mexicali Mexico, quickly after Garrett overhaul went belly-up. So they moved there whole production to Mexicali Mexico, as if that first failure was not a sign.

Garrett Turbos made a quality product for a fair price. A turbo is a precision instrument. Garrett turbos was part of Garrett Air Research (on 190th st. In Torrance ca.) Where they have a huge facility designing turbine engines, and so on. Most of the senior technicians in our main turbo facility (Lomita Blvd Torrance ca) came from our air research. If you’re building jet engines a turbo is not all that difficult. Well Cliff Garrett dies. At that time ALL production of Garrett Turbos was at Lomita Torrance ca. Also all engineering and research was there as well. After we were bought and production was sent to Mexico to save costs. Our production numbers doubled. And cost was cut in half our failure rate tripled. Well who cares Honeywell is making money and lots of it. Turbos are considered Honeywell’s golden egg. They feel that turbos are going to take over big. Which it already has in the diesel market. We make ford diesel turbos, daf, Chevrolet, some Audi, vw, fiat, Perkins. Millions of turbos. And there now all coming from china and Mexico. Well up until lately the company figured if the product was designed in the US and assembled in Mexico we would be ok. Well to further there profit and **** the customer once again....the LAST of what makes turbo American leaves in January 2011. We will close the doors to the Torrance Lab. In Torrance we did all our racing turbos (wrc stuff, Audi racing etc..) then in the garret garage we did the turbos you people buy for your Subaru’s. Actually I take that back. They take turbos that were made on a production line somewhere else in the world, and change a couple of parts on a bench in Torrance (wheels, housing..etc) and send it to you the customer saying it was made in the us.....no it was not it was just repackaged and altered a little. Well as of Jan 2011 all your turbos will be made in Mexico or china or Czech Republic. This is the last Garrett facility in the United States.

We have huge law suits pending due to turbo failures. GM is probably going to leave us.... ford has already sued us. Caterpillar has one of the largest recalls in garret history in the process. Our name is becoming ****. The last few VERY smart guys left in the company are being fired to save costs, but see our profit is already good.....they just want more. Please don’t spend 1500$ on a gt35r. Now that it’s costing Honeywell less to build turbos do you think you will see a smaller bill when you order there product? NO!. They are going to charge you even more for even less. There are countless procedures that are being terminated everyday that made our turbos THE BEST. They keep cutting corner after corner. Did you know that we shave metal off our turbine and compressor housings until they are at the EXTREME minimum needed to contain in the event of failure they are shaving every nickel off the cost of a turbo. Did you know that 2000$ gt40 you buy is all mark up. I won’t dare say the actual cost to the company in fear of a lawsuit but lets just say your sales tax is more then the production cost.

Do not buy these turbos. BorgWarner and mitsu are trying there best to compete with us making a quality product. Honeywell is using its big name to back junky turbos Like Toyota is starting to do. I guarantee in the next 8 months you will see a huge decline in quality. All designing and production is in CHINA AND MEXICO. Honeywell is taking back all there benefits they used to supply us with as employees. That way when they lay us off its as cheap as possible. Instead of saying "Well after we take a hit laying those people off we will make tons" they are just taking back all there benefits so they walk away clean and clear. We used to get a severance package. Which they just took away. One of the head engineers involved in the t3 project. (Designing the first t3) he is still with our company. he was supposed to get 44 weeks of pay if he ever got layed off (30 days and 1 week for every year with the company. 40 years with the company)Due to the new Honeywell rules he gets only 16 weeks pay they stole all that pack after promising it to him for 40 years. My fingers and about to fall off typing all this and I am heated so I don’t care about grammar I’m concerned about you people not supporting a Nazi company. Take your business elsewhere. Somewhere where you will get what your money pays for. Have a nice day and don’t forget if you hear the name HTT Honeywell Turbo Technologies Stay away

(They still use the garrett stamp on the turbos)""

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Re: garrett = CDM?
« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2010, 10:09:23 PM »

Wow.

How sad.
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Re: garrett = CDM?
« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2010, 10:12:21 PM »

CDM = GOD?
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Re: garrett = CDM?
« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2010, 10:22:07 PM »

Where was this from? I really hope thats not all true.

another thing this guy mentioned was the price. well you can't fualt a company for making money and selling something for what people will pay for it.
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Re: garrett = CDM?
« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2010, 11:00:50 PM »

Someone call the california office and see if it is closing?
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« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2010, 11:02:10 PM »

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Re: garrett = CDM?
« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2010, 11:03:19 PM »

Where is your HKS NOW! Fuck faces.

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Re: garrett = CDM?
« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2010, 11:05:39 PM »

Holset > *

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Re: garrett = CDM?
« Reply #8 on: February 24, 2010, 11:05:49 PM »

seems like your typical forum bullshit to me
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Re: garrett = CDM?
« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2010, 11:10:50 PM »

It's no secret garrett doesn't make quality turbos. Holsets and Borg Warners have always been tougher and lasted longer.
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Re: garrett = CDM?
« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2010, 11:19:46 PM »

That is written too terribly to read.
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Re: garrett = CDM?
« Reply #11 on: February 24, 2010, 11:27:00 PM »

I know for a fact that GM has a RFQ (request for quote)  Out for a new supplier to replace garrett.
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Re: garrett = CDM?
« Reply #12 on: February 25, 2010, 12:42:19 AM »

Dumb question but...who makes turbos for Turbonetics?  ???
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« Reply #13 on: February 25, 2010, 12:58:07 AM »

Dumb question but...who makes turbos for Turbonetics?  ???

I'm pretty sure they use some garrett products but then design some of there own wheels and housings.
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Re: garrett = CDM?
« Reply #14 on: February 25, 2010, 01:04:20 AM »

Dumb question but...who makes turbos for Turbonetics?  ???

and what about precision...i know they used to use garret/Honeywell parts
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« Reply #15 on: February 25, 2010, 01:08:08 AM »

Dumb question but...who makes turbos for Turbonetics?  ???

and what about precision...i know they used to use garret/Honeywell parts

And still do. like turbonetics they just manufacture there own housings and wheels at times.
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Re: garrett = CDM?
« Reply #16 on: February 25, 2010, 01:18:55 AM »

ya
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Re: garrett = CDM?
« Reply #17 on: February 25, 2010, 03:13:20 AM »

The American manufacturing sector is in a massive hurt box right now. It needs some fluxcore and JB weld.
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Re: garrett = CDM?
« Reply #18 on: February 25, 2010, 03:41:50 AM »

ya thats what i figured. whats a good site to get a brand new pte turbo from, im sick of used turbos, and garret just got kicked to the curb for me. im not a big fan of pte turbos because ive had 2 that failed. but ive never had a new one

I would look at a Borg Warner before a PTE.

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« Reply #19 on: February 25, 2010, 03:45:02 AM »

To be honest looking at the price of a precision turbo it's stupid to buy them. Who spends $700+ for a 50/57 trim with a different name. some are even more expensive then that, for the same thing as the garrett's.
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Re: garrett = CDM?
« Reply #20 on: February 25, 2010, 06:10:11 AM »

this just in. 99.9% of the shit in the US is made in China.
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Re: garrett = CDM?
« Reply #21 on: February 25, 2010, 09:47:55 AM »

No wonder all the private turbo companies are making their own billet wheels now.

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Re: garrett = CDM?
« Reply #22 on: February 25, 2010, 11:13:11 AM »

Back in the late '70s my Foundry was making the aluminum compressor housing for Garrett (back when it was called Acu-Cast in Cali.).

The turbos were for the '78-'79 Trans Am 301 turbo.

Still have a compressor housing floating around in one the office at my foundry.

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« Reply #23 on: February 25, 2010, 11:46:29 AM »

The guys over at http://forcedinductions.com/ are saying BS to this. He says they talk to the Garrett engineers on a weekly if not daily basis. 
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« Reply #24 on: February 25, 2010, 01:09:27 PM »

sounds like a pissed off lazy union worker to me.  anyone with half a brain won't put any weight in this.  the guy can't even spell "garrett" correctly throughout most of the text.
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« Reply #25 on: February 25, 2010, 02:46:35 PM »

i already have a borg warner with a sweet super cracked exhaust housing. ya pte turbos are way overpriced for me, didn't think they wanted aronud 1k for a 6262 billet wheel turbo. i guess we will see what actually happens, some people might be saying this because they are upset with the company and also the people still there might be covering their asses so they dont get shit canned. all i know is i really like the ETT technology of the borg warner turbos and have never had a turbo with as wide of a compressor map as my s256
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« Reply #26 on: February 25, 2010, 07:54:23 PM »

my s256

I really want a s256 over a 50trim, but at $330 for the cheapest over an already cheap 50trim ($670 w/ATP divided housing), I just can't justify it for a street car.
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« Reply #27 on: February 25, 2010, 08:33:56 PM »

6262SP, journal bearing, is calling your name at $800.

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« Reply #29 on: February 26, 2010, 04:13:28 AM »

6262SP, journal bearing, is calling your name at $800.

i wonder how well my d16a1 would spool a 6262sp, was kind of leaning towards a sc6152sp or sc5857sp. not sure. but id like to try out one of these turbos and just make $800 doing a motor swap... id like to sell my borg warner too.
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