Topic: Corvette?....new subject my 240sx. (Read 26317 times)

TheMadScientist · « **Reply #30 on:** July 10, 2010, 11:19:34 AM »

CA18DET FTW dirt cheap can make decent power and handle it well.
However, if its a DOHC KA24 (DE) then rebuild that and turbo it.
Those are your most economical choices, for making profit.
Otherwise stuff the biggest V8 you can get for the cheapest add turbo or 2 for tire smoking fun

random-strike · « **Reply #31 on:** July 10, 2010, 02:59:18 PM »

C5 are a bitch to r and r an engine. They take the entire thing out the bottom still attached to all the suspension at the dship

F working on. A c5 or c6

C4 is enough of a pita

LS1pwNzJ00 · « **Reply #32 on:** July 10, 2010, 03:00:49 PM »

Quote from: random-strike on July 10, 2010, 02:59:18 PM

C5 are a bitch to r and r an engine. They take the entire thing out the bottom still attached to all the suspension at the dship

F working on. A c5 or c6

C4 is enough of a pita

Agreed with Bliss. Its a fucking joke.

boosted wagon · « **Reply #33 on:** July 10, 2010, 04:21:57 PM »

Quote from: 2slow on July 10, 2010, 05:08:56 AM

2jzs are not cheap and the car wouldnt be worth what you had into it. Just because superstreet mag says its cool doesnt mean it is

$1000 is pretty pricey? Def i was wrong who would be stupid enough to buy a motor for $1000 that can make 700whp without being built. It is probably the cheapest way to go fast these days.

LS1pwNzJ00 · « **Reply #34 on:** July 10, 2010, 04:32:18 PM »

how much does fuel control cost for a 2jz? I only have one friend with a supra and he spent WAYyyy too much on some AEM bs. I dont know if there is something cheaper. LSx are easy and cheap to tune, and they love spray. LSX> 2jz. 2jz is just some gay ricer shit.

heres his supra, been broken for 4 years cuz the stock turbos blew. I dont even think these cars look that nice anymore

boosted wagon · « **Reply #35 on:** July 10, 2010, 06:00:06 PM »

LSX > 2JZ I agree. The only issue is it is going to cost way more to go fast in a LSX. The 2JZ is a gay ricer motor for sure but it is the only engine that will put a good chassis in the 8's without being built. On a budget it cant be beat. Engine management there is a lots of options available. If you got lots of dollars for the project I would go LS1 as well.

bigdaddyvtec · « **Reply #36 on:** July 10, 2010, 06:21:56 PM »

Round here stock block LSx make 700 +. WITH A SHIT TON MORE TQ THAN A 2GAYZ

narfdanarf · « **Reply #37 on:** July 10, 2010, 06:24:29 PM »

I would like to know where people are buying 2jz for $1k...even so the 240 project is going to be done dirty and cheap....I'm thinking about a 302 and spray. Can't you find those motors for like $100?

civiceggturbo · « **Reply #38 on:** July 10, 2010, 06:39:26 PM »

I can get 2jz non turbo motors for under 200 all day from the pick n pull, do a cheap rebuild a your set

turbob16hatch · « **Reply #39 on:** July 10, 2010, 06:47:21 PM »

there is 2 locals that have built 2jz n/a engines that run 8's in a probe and a supra. there stupid fast and pretty cheap to run. i think there running glides in them. the supra guy broke ALOT of 2jzge stock block records. So.... there not just ricer shit engines.

funny how bdvt says that when he has the most bastard honda engine the coveted H22....

No one can ever say a lsx is a shit engine there freaking unbelievable how much power there making now on stock bottom ends.

LS1pwNzJ00 · « **Reply #40 on:** July 10, 2010, 07:09:03 PM »

Quote from: turbob16hatch on July 10, 2010, 06:47:21 PM

there is 2 locals that have built 2jz n/a engines that run 8's in a probe and a supra. there stupid fast and pretty cheap to run. i think there running glides in them. the supra guy broke ALOT of 2jzge stock block records. So.... there not just ricer shit engines.

funny how bdvt says that when he has the most bastard honda engine the coveted H22....

No one can ever say a lsx is a shit engine there freaking unbelievable how much power there making now on stock bottom ends.

Dont get me wrong, I have respect for the 2jz engine, but the entire LSx line is fucking amazing, but they are expensive. A LS1 is the shittiest of the BEST engines, and it will still make 650rwhp all day no sweat on a stock block boosted, its amazing how much they can make with so little boost aswell.

Robb · « **Reply #41 on:** July 10, 2010, 08:42:13 PM »

With regards to price, the truck long blocks are going for $500 on average. N/a 2jz are roughly the same price, but all things being equal the v8 will always make more torque, and bolting it to a th350/400 is much cheaper than the 2jz. The big advantage the v8 has over the 2jz is spool time and powerband. With the ficticious number of 700whp being thrown around, both engines will at minimum need torn down for more p2w clearance to last. Weight is a non issue, as both are very heavy and at that point a worthless arguement. Cost of engine management is significantly cheaper for the v8, and has more support.

With equal amounts of $$$ involved, the v8 comes out on top. The 2jz is very robust unit, but horsepower to $ goes to the v8, as well as replacement parts, since there are many more third-gen v8s on the planet than jz.

LS1pwNzJ00 · « **Reply #42 on:** July 10, 2010, 09:04:21 PM »

The v8 will have a better powerband aswell, instead of the 2jz which is only good for freeway roll racing.

bigdaddyvtec · « **Reply #43 on:** July 10, 2010, 09:13:54 PM »

Quote from: Robb on July 10, 2010, 08:42:13 PM

With regards to price, the truck long blocks are going for $500 on average. N/a 2jz are roughly the same price, but all things being equal the v8 will always make more torque, and bolting it to a th350/400 is much cheaper than the 2jz. The big advantage the v8 has over the 2jz is spool time and powerband. With the ficticious number of 700whp being thrown around, both engines will at minimum need torn down for more p2w clearance to last. Weight is a non issue, as both are very heavy and at that point a worthless arguement. Cost of engine management is significantly cheaper for the v8, and has more support.

With equal amounts of $$$ involved, the v8 comes out on top. The 2jz is very robust unit, but horsepower to $ goes to the v8, as well as replacement parts, since there are many more third-gen v8s on the planet than jz.

I assure you the 700 isnt a ficticious nuber on a stock bottom end.

LS1pwNzJ00 · « **Reply #44 on:** July 10, 2010, 09:27:59 PM »

Fatman, you need to get rid of that accord and get yourself a V8

Joseph Davis · « **Reply #45 on:** July 10, 2010, 10:00:18 PM »

Quote from: bigdaddyvtec on July 10, 2010, 09:13:54 PM

Quote from: Robb on July 10, 2010, 08:42:13 PM
With regards to price, the truck long blocks are going for $500 on average. N/a 2jz are roughly the same price, but all things being equal the v8 will always make more torque, and bolting it to a th350/400 is much cheaper than the 2jz. The big advantage the v8 has over the 2jz is spool time and powerband. With the ficticious number of 700whp being thrown around, both engines will at minimum need torn down for more p2w clearance to last. Weight is a non issue, as both are very heavy and at that point a worthless arguement. Cost of engine management is significantly cheaper for the v8, and has more support.

With equal amounts of $$$ involved, the v8 comes out on top. The 2jz is very robust unit, but horsepower to $ goes to the v8, as well as replacement parts, since there are many more third-gen v8s on the planet than jz.

I assure you the 700 isnt a ficticious nuber on a stock bottom end.

Maybe on a Dynojet.

bigdaddyvtec · « **Reply #46 on:** July 10, 2010, 10:55:58 PM »

SOryy assclowns, but its not UNCOIMMON for people to make 700WHP on STOCK LSx shit. Regardless of how you want to try and discredit it... Its done. Evidentlyt more than youre aware... Maybe you should read up

Joseph Davis · « **Reply #47 on:** July 10, 2010, 11:38:06 PM »

Quote from: bigdaddyvtec on July 10, 2010, 10:55:58 PM

SOryy assclowns, but its not UNCOIMMON for people to make 700WHP on STOCK LSx shit. Regardless of how you want to try and discredit it... Its done. Evidentlyt more than youre aware... Maybe you should read up

Maybe you should read up on the post you disagreed with, tubs. Rob was talking about 2JZ, not LSx. 2JZ will make 700, sure, but they don't last very long in stock bottom end trim.

LS1pwNzJ00 · « **Reply #48 on:** July 11, 2010, 12:03:53 AM »

same with the ls1, pushing 700 daily is a bit much, probably the max you'd wanna go, itll do 600 all day long easily.

Robb · « **Reply #49 on:** July 11, 2010, 12:15:57 AM »

Brian, I didn't make myself clear, jd is correct, I'm all for cheap v8 power.

The limitiing factor in both engines is p2w clearance.

The 2jz doesn't have a strong bottom end IMHO. It has an efficient combustion chamber and high port velocity, that's all. Liter for liter the 4g63 is stronger than the 2jz. Its not the end-all the fanbois think it is.

2jz are also more difficult to work on, imo. When LSx aren't in an f-body, they are fucking gravy to fix. Ever seen the engine bay of a gto?

HiProfile · « **Reply #50 on:** July 11, 2010, 03:40:27 AM »

Quote from: Joseph Davis on July 09, 2010, 08:56:13 PM

then turn around and drop a 6.0 truck motor in it. Slip a cam in it, big diameter long tubes, and tune = 500 whp on a Mustang dyno.

Sounds like the best option in a no-win situation. My friend recently picked up a low milage 6.0L longblock, I think the lq4, for $400. A few upgrades and you're golden.

IMO the best part of the car is broken, and the part you don't want is what's left. The friend above swapped his ls1 into an old mustang and he always says that's the best thing he's ever done. Besides build the motor & slap a 78mm turbo on it.

narfdanarf · « **Reply #51 on:** July 11, 2010, 05:03:51 PM »

What about a 351...these motors are way cheaper than the LSx. (IE there are a few on craigslist that need rebuilt for like $100) I am doing this shit on a $0 budget, rHMT style. Can you make some power on a carb'd 351? Do they have block splitting issues like the 302's? Is a carb the way to go? I know shit about carbs. WTF is the difference between a windsor and a cleveland? I started researching domestic parts, the shit is so much cheaper than import stuff. What the hell. Twin ebay "57 trim's" should turn one out right?

Robb · « **Reply #52 on:** July 11, 2010, 05:15:59 PM »

Quote from: narfdanarf on July 11, 2010, 05:03:51 PM

What about a 351...these motors are way cheaper than the LSx. (IE there are a few on craigslist that need rebuilt for like $100) I am doing this shit on a $0 budget, rHMT style. Can you make some power on a carb'd 351? Do they have block splitting issues like the 302's? Is a carb the way to go? I know shit about carbs. WTF is the difference between a windsor and a cleveland? I started researching domestic parts, the shit is so much cheaper than import stuff. What the hell. Twin ebay "57 trim's" should turn one out right?

351W and C dont split the block in two at 500whp like the 80's truck block 5.0's do. If you can tune a carb, it would be SLIGHTLY cheaper since you can get used parts for dirt right now. Since you dont know shit about carbs, you should learn. Windsor and cleveland have some major structural differences, but the heads can be modular with some slight machining. A windsor block (cheap bottom end stroker kit) and 4v cleveland heads (highest flowing head ever made) so called "clevor" is considered to be the best unit to build for trailerpark money. I'd find the biggest semi-truck turbo I could and do a single setup, but a hi-comp mild cam 351w will net you 550whp with a novice tune, and you may not really need anymore than that in a 240 since you will be deep in the 10's if you can put it to the ground.

bigdaddyvtec · « **Reply #53 on:** July 11, 2010, 05:35:36 PM »

if ou can find a 351c with 4Bbl heads for a decent price ... Yes. Prefferable over the w block

Ntrain2k · « **Reply #54 on:** July 11, 2010, 06:36:16 PM »

4V Cleveland heads are nasty!

narfdanarf · « **Reply #55 on:** July 11, 2010, 07:31:50 PM »

Lotta good info, thanks guys. When you say cleveland heads, do you mean cleveland style heads or I need to find some OE heads? Also anyone have any good links to some info on blow through setups? I can't just go to autozone and get a 1400cfm carb right?

davidawg · « **Reply #56 on:** July 11, 2010, 07:37:56 PM »

i believe i got this link from somebody here...
http://www.hangar18fabrication.com/blowthru.html

Ntrain2k · « **Reply #57 on:** July 11, 2010, 08:07:46 PM »

Quote from: narfdanarf on July 11, 2010, 07:31:50 PM

Lotta good info, thanks guys. When you say cleveland heads, do you mean cleveland style heads or I need to find some OE heads? Also anyone have any good links to some info on blow through setups? I can't just go to autozone and get a 1400cfm carb right?

OE heads off of a 351 cleveland 4V.

Boss 302 heads are decent as well.

bigdaddyvtec · « **Reply #58 on:** July 11, 2010, 09:45:06 PM »

Quote from: narfdanarf on July 11, 2010, 07:31:50 PM

Lotta good info, thanks guys. When you say cleveland heads, do you mean cleveland style heads or I need to find some OE heads? Also anyone have any good links to some info on blow through setups? I can't just go to autozone and get a 1400cfm carb right?

The 4Bbl Cleveland heads have UNGODLY flow characteristics.. The fucking ports are HUUUUGE...

Towdogg · « **Reply #59 on:** July 11, 2010, 09:54:24 PM »

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