Topic: Need Help with a patent (Read 4959 times)

DasPoop · « **on:** September 12, 2010, 02:01:22 PM »

I have an idea that has never been done before but should be I need help with a patent either help with how about to get one someone to give me a direction as to who to call see etc. Its something very simple and has the potential to create a whole new market.

If you can help hit me with a pm listen to the idea and tell me what you think.

t_cel_t · « **Reply #1 on:** September 12, 2010, 02:07:30 PM »

http://www.legalzoom.com/trademarks-patents-copyrights/trademarks-patents-copyrights.html

Passenger · « **Reply #2 on:** September 12, 2010, 02:16:52 PM »

My advice, don't patent it. Keep the project underwraps, be the first to market, be priced so that you can make money but in a capacity that it is difficult for others to jump in. Ride it out for as long as you can and than move on to something else.

DasPoop · « **Reply #3 on:** September 12, 2010, 02:30:11 PM »

i would need to find someone who can extrude celophane

Jorsher · « **Reply #4 on:** September 12, 2010, 02:37:03 PM »

You need to apply with USPTO.

For not much money you get a basically temporary patent. They don't do the checks to see if it's already been patented until you pay the full price, but it gives you a year to see if anyone would be interested in manufacturing it without them having the right to steal your idea.

Within the year you have to apply for the final actual patent and pay a bit more money.

Personally, I wouldn't trust a 3rd party with the idea. You can do an hour of research on the uspto website and know everything you need to know. It's actually surprisingly simple to find what you need to know on their website.

Stealthmode · « **Reply #5 on:** September 12, 2010, 03:04:30 PM »

Is it a Greddy Toilet Timer for broads that talk on the phone and shit?

2slow · « **Reply #6 on:** September 12, 2010, 03:42:56 PM »

Post your idea up and we will tell you if its a good idea or not

DasPoop · « **Reply #7 on:** September 12, 2010, 03:53:15 PM »

if everyone agreed to help out and get a usable product out on the market then i would bre hapy to put it up as long as no one gets greedy it will benefit anyone that wants to help.

Passenger · « **Reply #8 on:** September 12, 2010, 03:55:52 PM »

I don`t work in the plastics industry but build tooling for it so I could likely give you a rough idea what some of this stuff can cost. Quick hint is that start up costs are more than you could have imagined and product cost would be low.

DasPoop · « **Reply #9 on:** September 12, 2010, 03:59:06 PM »

i too used to build molds but this would have to be some sort of extrusion of sorts i am not quite sure how i only built injection molds

92CXyD · « **Reply #10 on:** September 12, 2010, 04:01:58 PM »

Quote from: Passenger on September 12, 2010, 03:55:52 PM

I don`t work in the plastics industry but build tooling for it so I could likely give you a rough idea what some of this stuff can cost. Quick hint is that start up costs are more than you could have imagined and product cost would be low.

Yeah I see tooling cost in the foundry business.

I rarely see tooling for less than $10k.

The more complex the tooling the more expensive. ;D

Look into injection molding. ;D

DasPoop · « **Reply #11 on:** September 12, 2010, 04:05:17 PM »

you cant injection mold this its a celophane tube

Passenger · « **Reply #12 on:** September 12, 2010, 04:12:12 PM »

Quote from: DasPoop on September 12, 2010, 04:05:17 PM

you cant injection mold this its a celophane tube

Why celophane+

DasPoop · « **Reply #13 on:** September 12, 2010, 04:14:32 PM »

needs to be thin clear and strong

2slow · « **Reply #14 on:** September 12, 2010, 04:57:35 PM »

For now on imma send you ll my celophane from my cigarette packs

Passenger · « **Reply #15 on:** September 12, 2010, 05:22:13 PM »

Quote from: DasPoop on September 12, 2010, 04:14:32 PM

needs to be thin clear and strong

How thin

DasPoop · « **Reply #16 on:** September 12, 2010, 05:48:06 PM »

Quote from: Passenger on September 12, 2010, 05:22:13 PM

Quote from: DasPoop on September 12, 2010, 04:14:32 PM
needs to be thin clear and strong

How thin

pry around 15 thou depends i need to know how thick it needs to be to get it to melt together and provide a good strong bond just using fusion welding

Passenger · « **Reply #17 on:** September 12, 2010, 06:29:31 PM »

15 thous is plenty thick enough to use something other than celophane, which I would try to do for strength reasons, there is some rpetty crazy engineered plastics out there.

DasPoop · « **Reply #18 on:** September 12, 2010, 06:36:45 PM »

Quote from: Passenger on September 12, 2010, 06:29:31 PM

15 thous is plenty thick enough to use something other than celophane, which I would try to do for strength reasons, there is some rpetty crazy engineered plastics out there.

true but i need something that with some force will open its going to require a bit of thought but nothing crazy

HiProfile · « **Reply #19 on:** September 12, 2010, 06:46:07 PM »

Quote from: DasPoop on September 12, 2010, 05:48:06 PM

pry around 15 thou depends i need to know how thick it needs to be to get it to melt together and provide a good strong bond just using fusion welding

I looked into it before, patents suck now. You'd want to document your design paperwork with a notary public in case someone trys to patent it themselves. But no matter what - it would a legal nightmare. Basicly you aren't covered until the patent is accepted. Patent-pending just means another person runs the risk of no company profit if they have to pay royalties. Trying to get money from some chinaman across the sea would be impossible anyways.

BTW look into high frequency welding for thin plastics.

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