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Re: 2012 shaping up to be an interesting year after all?
« Reply #30 on: October 19, 2011, 11:33:52 PM »

There's always a hidden agenda, all stemming from that 1%. All irony asside, it's our overall education that has to change. Humans are still in self-preservation mode, when working together will work better. Unfortunately we'll probably nuke ourselves before the dickfucks in power come to that conclusion too.
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Re: 2012 shaping up to be an interesting year after all?
« Reply #31 on: October 20, 2011, 12:01:07 AM »

ever wonder why the 1% is the 1%? perhaps because they're smarter, more motivated, and bred better than the 99%?
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Re: 2012 shaping up to be an interesting year after all?
« Reply #32 on: October 20, 2011, 12:32:18 AM »

ever wonder why the 1% is the 1%? perhaps because they're smarter, more motivated, and bred better than the 99%?

I agree, most poor people are willingly poor.
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Re: 2012 shaping up to be an interesting year after all?
« Reply #33 on: October 20, 2011, 07:01:00 AM »

ever wonder why the 1% is the 1%? perhaps because they're smarter, more motivated, and bred better than the 99%?

I agree, most poor people are willingly poor.

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Re: 2012 shaping up to be an interesting year after all?
« Reply #34 on: October 20, 2011, 09:35:32 AM »

ever wonder why the 1% is the 1%? perhaps because they're smarter, more motivated, and bred better than the 99%?

I agree, most poor people are willingly poor.

Willfully, not willingly. There's a subtle difference in connotation that, in my mind, makes all the difference.

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Re: 2012 shaping up to be an interesting year after all?
« Reply #35 on: October 22, 2011, 05:26:49 PM »

The 1 percent is the 1 percent as they were born rich. Im sure I can walk around majority of them in business but guess what I'm poor and work my ass off. My business pre-recession was on the verge of becoming something pretty damn impressive. Take away I spent my life building these cars that are basically now f'in illegal in california and guess what everything I learned is almost worthless.

Im a used parts king now. I rarely build motors anymore havent ported a head in months and Im charging so low and still nothing.


Anybody who will get to the 1 percent is a business owner and unless I'm blind no one starting with little in this country is going to become that anymore. Of course there are the 10 stories a year of some nerd writing some baller software but the realistic answer is no the 1 percent was born rich and will die rich.
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Re: 2012 shaping up to be an interesting year after all?
« Reply #36 on: October 22, 2011, 09:43:57 PM »

The 1% is the 1% from being usurious pieces of shit
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Re: 2012 shaping up to be an interesting year after all?
« Reply #37 on: October 22, 2011, 09:52:50 PM »

The 1 percent is the 1 percent as they were born rich. Im sure I can walk around majority of them in business but guess what I'm poor and work my ass off. My business pre-recession was on the verge of becoming something pretty damn impressive. Take away I spent my life building these cars that are basically now f'in illegal in california and guess what everything I learned is almost worthless.

Im a used parts king now. I rarely build motors anymore havent ported a head in months and Im charging so low and still nothing.


Anybody who will get to the 1 percent is a business owner and unless I'm blind no one starting with little in this country is going to become that anymore. Of course there are the 10 stories a year of some nerd writing some baller software but the realistic answer is no the 1 percent was born rich and will die rich.

you're poor because your target market is fucking small and replete with competition. look at the top wealth holders. gates, jobs, cuban, buffet, soros, etc....

all self made. they found ways to make things we didn't even know we needed. people that are born rich don't always stay that way... how many rich kids lose their fortunes and fail miserably? a lot.
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Re: 2012 shaping up to be an interesting year after all?
« Reply #38 on: October 22, 2011, 10:54:50 PM »

So Im suppose to learn about baller cars when i come from the ghetto. Come on really?
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Re: 2012 shaping up to be an interesting year after all?
« Reply #39 on: October 22, 2011, 11:02:29 PM »

1% is 1% by buying their competition and buying politicians to pass legislation that will prevent new competition from threatening them, or being born into it.  The ones that become rich either win the lottery or think of something that nobody has ever thought of before, which is more rare than getting struck by lightening, which is why media makes such a big deal about these stories.  Most of it is software, because that's the only market that anyone can enter.  Look at game development: you used to be able to make a quality game in your basement, now unless you have a budget of millions and a huge team of experienced individuals and a great idea or an existing popular franchise -- forget about it.  Mobile was the one market that a fairly talented individual could get rich with, but that's even becoming something for the big developers.

An interesting though: as technology improves, there's less of a need for human employees.  The positions that still need people get minimized as processes improve and companies become more efficient.  The more people without jobs, the lower wages can be reduced and still get filled.  It seems to me like it's inevitable, and I wonder what happens when the super efficient companies now no longer have a population that can afford their shit?  Socialism?
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Re: 2012 shaping up to be an interesting year after all?
« Reply #40 on: October 22, 2011, 11:25:33 PM »

1% is 1% by buying their competition and buying politicians to pass legislation that will prevent new competition from threatening them, or being born into it.  The ones that become rich either win the lottery or think of something that nobody has ever thought of before, which is more rare than getting struck by lightening, which is why media makes such a big deal about these stories.  Most of it is software, because that's the only market that anyone can enter.  Look at game development: you used to be able to make a quality game in your basement, now unless you have a budget of millions and a huge team of experienced individuals and a great idea or an existing popular franchise -- forget about it.  Mobile was the one market that a fairly talented individual could get rich with, but that's even becoming something for the big developers.

An interesting though: as technology improves, there's less of a need for human employees.  The positions that still need people get minimized as processes improve and companies become more efficient.  The more people without jobs, the lower wages can be reduced and still get filled.  It seems to me like it's inevitable, and I wonder what happens when the super efficient companies now no longer have a population that can afford their shit?  Socialism?

or the shit becomes cheaper and hours get reduced to minimal shit. We live in a post industrial society, and work more than we did in feudalism when it's not needed.  How the current system is set up its sustainable with about 58% of the population working full time jobs, and that's probably an overly exaggerated figure. I'm sure its feasible with about 20% of the population working full time, or less.

It makes no sense to have a small fraction of the working age population doing 100% of the work for the rest of the population. It would make much more sense to divide the labor out accordingly and drop the work week down to a minimal amount of time. 20 hours a week or far less. As technology advances, its only going to get worse, and this is one of the only viable solutions I see to the issue.

Usury keeps everyone on the long grind, though.
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Re: 2012 shaping up to be an interesting year after all?
« Reply #41 on: October 22, 2011, 11:44:22 PM »

Yap.  It's something I've thought about for years and I think the movie Wall-E may touch on, however I haven't watched it yet.  While you used to need a whole family of slaves to pick cotton, now you just need a farmer and machine.  Could probably go all day listing jobs that have been deprecated by tech.  Eventually, I see about the only cost to a lot of industry being energy consumption (which could be mitigated), and maintenance (which theoretically could be replaced as well as the workers).  Research will probably be a human duty for a long time, but it's also inevitable for AI to replace that, and will probably only require a couple people to set the parameters before putting the computer with no fatigue and no memory loss to work.  Fortunately I don't see it all happening in my lifetime anyway.
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Re: 2012 shaping up to be an interesting year after all?
« Reply #42 on: October 23, 2011, 06:34:01 AM »

The 1 percent is the 1 percent as they were born rich. Im sure I can walk around majority of them in business but guess what I'm poor and work my ass off. My business pre-recession was on the verge of becoming something pretty damn impressive. Take away I spent my life building these cars that are basically now f'in illegal in california and guess what everything I learned is almost worthless.

Im a used parts king now. I rarely build motors anymore havent ported a head in months and Im charging so low and still nothing.


Anybody who will get to the 1 percent is a business owner and unless I'm blind no one starting with little in this country is going to become that anymore. Of course there are the 10 stories a year of some nerd writing some baller software but the realistic answer is no the 1 percent was born rich and will die rich.

I'm sorry but your poor because you think poor., that's all there is to it. You have this mindset that something isn't obtainable then you will NEVER achieve it. Regardless of what you think there are shit tons of people who came from poor backgrounds and have succeeded to becoming the 1%. If you talked to a few well off people you would understand why they have succeeded.



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« Reply #43 on: October 23, 2011, 06:06:49 PM »

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