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theidealone's D2B Write Up
« on: November 03, 2011, 03:41:18 PM »

Well, since someone recently asked for my old "write up", and other apparently hadnt seen it, I thought I would try and post an actual write up since my last was just showing off my build.

First things first. You will need to make the front lower bolts go through the block, into the tranny, rather than through the tranny into the block. So you will have to grind down the block on the front, and drill the holes through. This was the bolts can go through, as well as the heads sit semi-flat. So you will have the 3 lower bolts go through the block side, into the tranny. Just like the rear does from the factory, now the front two will as well. And the top 2 bolts will go through like stock. The rear most will bolt up without modification, and the front upper will need to be slightly hogged out.



Compare that picture to this Y7 block. You can see on the left, where it has been ground down. On both front lower holes. There is a lot more grinding to do on the bottom hole.



Next, you will need to modify the bell housing of the transmission, to accept the bolts/thread.

This is a Y1 tranny, and I used a YS1 tranny. But it gives you an idea of the voids that I had to weld.



This rear triangular hole will be where the rear bolt goes into. I had a buddy cut a piece of 1/2" thick aluminum on his mill at work.





I also had the front two holes welded, as well as adding a little material to the inside part of the flange/bellhousing, since the bolt will go towards the inner diameter.







As you can see, everything was ground flat/smooth after welding.



After that, we lined the block and tranny together, to mark where the holes need to be drilled. The rear top hole will bolt up without modification (the one closest to the t-stat housing), with the input shaft through the clutch/flywheel. The top front hole on the tranny will need to be oblonged, or hogged out slightly. Once you start putting it together, you will see how the hole is just BARELY off.



You can see in the pic above, I drilled and tapped the holes. If you notice, I accidentally put the front lower bolt in the wrong hole. You can see the welded area above where the bolt is. Thats where it should be obviously.

And this piece wasnt necessary, but we welded a tab on, near the starter. This is for the T-bracket to bolt onto, since it would normally bolt on the B series block. We also put a metal spacer inside of the T-bracket, to keep it solid.





Now, for the clutch/flywheel, there are multiple options available. You can either buy a Competition Clutch flywheel that is a B series flywheel with D series bolt pattern, and then be able to use a stock B starter, and any B clutch, or you can buy a Competition Clutch twin disc that is the same thing. Or you can use a D series flywheel, and modify the starter, as well as buy a modified clutch.

I went with the latter. I used a D16 flywheel, which obviously takes a D16 pressure plate. So I needed a D16 clutch disc. But the clutch disc needed to be a B series spline (I had a YS1 92-93, same as hydro, so big spline). I called a few companies, the eBay XTD company wouldnt do it, LSD wouldnt do it, but Action and Competition would. Competition did it for the same price as their off the shelf disc. I paid 117 shipped to my door. It was just a D16 disc with a B18 hub pressed in.









And not all trannies are the same. But when I went to put the tranny up to the assembled block, it was hitting the t-stat housing/bolt. So I notched the tranny slightly. Ive seen a few more that did this, and some that didnt need it.



With everything bolted together, we were able to modify the halfshaft.



We slid the halfshaft in, and had to weld tabs onto the halfshaft. We also had to grind down on part of the original shaftshaft, to clear the alternator bracket. I noticed that the hydro halfshaft (what I used) needed less grinding than the cable. Also, there are a few alternator brackets out there. There is one that is more of a thin metal strap, than a large cast bracket. That one was easier for me to work with. I believe its off of a D16A6.





You can see the bottom left hole that we didnt use, is cut. That was all it took for the hydro shaft to clear the thin alternator bracket. If you have cable, or the heavy alternator bracket, its going to take a lot more "massaging"



Now onto the starter. Im going to tell you right now. If I hadnt had a friend do this before me, I may have given up and bought a Competition Clutch D2B flywheel, just to save me the headache. But in case youre going to go through with it, here is how I modified my starter.

First off, no picture, but I drilled and tapped the hole on the tranny. You know the lower rear hole you normally have a SUPER long bolt go into the block? Well rather than weld and tap a new hole on the block like SpeedFactory, we here in Colorado like to make shit simple. The hole is the perfect size for the tap. Just run a M12x1.25 tap (17mm Honda bolt, same as the tranny/block bolts) through it, and find a short bolt to use. Now your starter can just stay on the tranny. And obviously, you need to open the hole up on the starter, so the bigger bolt can go through it now.

Next, I ruined a few starters figuring this all out. And I had instruction prior. LOL. I had to grind down the housing, so that the starter can pivot. No during pics, but I do have after for you to compare. Pretty much, you will need to space your starter off of the tranny by 3/16". I found 1/16" more wasnt going to hurt, and it didnt. So I bought a strap of 1/4"x1"x however long strap. So I could cut the tabs from it, and have 1/4" thick spacers to weld onto the starter.

Now, with that 1/4" thick spacer in mind, you can get an idea for how much of the starter needs to be ground off. You pretty much need to grind all the way around the snout, so it can turn down, or inwards, since youre putting it on a smaller diameter flywheel.

You will also need to open up the front/upper tab, so that it can turn down. And then you weld the spacer on accordingly, to provide a new hole/alignment, once you find that alignment.

I also found that there are at least 3 different B series starters. None of them have similar internals. So find your most common starter, and modify that one. That way, when it goes, you can find another and swap internals, rather than modifying another starter. Because its a huge bitch.

Here is my finished product



The tab/ear I opened up to realign how the starter sat.







The hole that I opened up for a bigger bolt.



Now onto getting it into the car. Each chassis will be slightly different, but very similar. You must use a set of B series motor mounts. You use the tranny mounts only. Now, the B series is about an inch longer of a block. So your B series tranny/mounts will sit your D16 motor about an inch closer to the passenger side. So you will either need to make a mount for your driver side/timing belt side motor mount, or you can space the mount off of the block by an inch. I also found that the Z6 sits funny as fuck in an 88-91 chassis. So the driver's side mount is tweaked as hell. But if you made your own, itd be a lot easier.







The way I spaced my mount off of the block, was to use a spacer between the L-bracket part of the mount, and the block itself. Then just cut the timing covers slightly. Everyone of my friends that has done this needed an inch. For some reason I only needed 3/8". So I just took an extra L-bracket, and I cut it down to the flange that bolts to the motor. Then I had it milled by my friend again, so it was flat. I then just used longer bolts.

I also had some motor rocking issues with only 3 mounts. So my friend NayrOne at Colorado Race Fab made me a gangster ass front mount.



And while I was there, we welded the drain plug on the block up. If youre not making over 500-600whp, and have no plans of doing so, you dont need to do this. But you also probably dont need a B series tranny. So stop being a bitch, and turn the boost up!



D2B FTW bitches



And not one tranny issue the whole fucking time.

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Re: theidealone's D2B Write Up
« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2011, 06:52:03 PM »

Well, since someone recently asked for my old "write up", and other apparently hadnt seen it, I thought I would try and post an actual write up since my last was just showing off my build.

First things first. You will need to make the front lower bolts go through the block, into the tranny, rather than through the tranny into the block. So you will have to grind down the block on the front, and drill the holes through. This was the bolts can go through, as well as the heads sit semi-flat. So you will have the 3 lower bolts go through the block side, into the tranny. Just like the rear does from the factory, now the front two will as well. And the top 2 bolts will go through like stock. The rear most will bolt up without modification, and the front upper will need to be slightly hogged out.



Compare that picture to this Y7 block. You can see on the left, where it has been ground down. On both front lower holes. There is a lot more grinding to do on the bottom hole.



Next, you will need to modify the bell housing of the transmission, to accept the bolts/thread.

This is a Y1 tranny, and I used a YS1 tranny. But it gives you an idea of the voids that I had to weld.



This rear triangular hole will be where the rear bolt goes into. I had a buddy cut a piece of 1/2" thick aluminum on his mill at work.





I also had the front two holes welded, as well as adding a little material to the inside part of the flange/bellhousing, since the bolt will go towards the inner diameter.







As you can see, everything was ground flat/smooth after welding.



After that, we lined the block and tranny together, to mark where the holes need to be drilled. The rear top hole will bolt up without modification (the one closest to the t-stat housing), with the input shaft through the clutch/flywheel. The top front hole on the tranny will need to be oblonged, or hogged out slightly. Once you start putting it together, you will see how the hole is just BARELY off.



You can see in the pic above, I drilled and tapped the holes. If you notice, I accidentally put the front lower bolt in the wrong hole. You can see the welded area above where the bolt is. Thats where it should be obviously.

And this piece wasnt necessary, but we welded a tab on, near the starter. This is for the T-bracket to bolt onto, since it would normally bolt on the B series block. We also put a metal spacer inside of the T-bracket, to keep it solid.





Now, for the clutch/flywheel, there are multiple options available. You can either buy a Competition Clutch flywheel that is a B series flywheel with D series bolt pattern, and then be able to use a stock B starter, and any B clutch, or you can buy a Competition Clutch twin disc that is the same thing. Or you can use a D series flywheel, and modify the starter, as well as buy a modified clutch.

I went with the latter. I used a D16 flywheel, which obviously takes a D16 pressure plate. So I needed a D16 clutch disc. But the clutch disc needed to be a B series spline (I had a YS1 92-93, same as hydro, so big spline). I called a few companies, the eBay XTD company wouldnt do it, LSD wouldnt do it, but Action and Competition would. Competition did it for the same price as their off the shelf disc. I paid 117 shipped to my door. It was just a D16 disc with a B18 hub pressed in.









And not all trannies are the same. But when I went to put the tranny up to the assembled block, it was hitting the t-stat housing/bolt. So I notched the tranny slightly. Ive seen a few more that did this, and some that didnt need it.



With everything bolted together, we were able to modify the halfshaft.



We slid the halfshaft in, and had to weld tabs onto the halfshaft. We also had to grind down on part of the original shaftshaft, to clear the alternator bracket. I noticed that the hydro halfshaft (what I used) needed less grinding than the cable. Also, there are a few alternator brackets out there. There is one that is more of a thin metal strap, than a large cast bracket. That one was easier for me to work with. I believe its off of a D16A6.





You can see the bottom left hole that we didnt use, is cut. That was all it took for the hydro shaft to clear the thin alternator bracket. If you have cable, or the heavy alternator bracket, its going to take a lot more "massaging"



Now onto the starter. Im going to tell you right now. If I hadnt had a friend do this before me, I may have given up and bought a Competition Clutch D2B flywheel, just to save me the headache. But in case youre going to go through with it, here is how I modified my starter.

First off, no picture, but I drilled and tapped the hole on the tranny. You know the lower rear hole you normally have a SUPER long bolt go into the block? Well rather than weld and tap a new hole on the block like SpeedFactory, we here in Colorado like to make shit simple. The hole is the perfect size for the tap. Just run a M12x1.25 tap (17mm Honda bolt, same as the tranny/block bolts) through it, and find a short bolt to use. Now your starter can just stay on the tranny. And obviously, you need to open the hole up on the starter, so the bigger bolt can go through it now.

Next, I ruined a few starters figuring this all out. And I had instruction prior. LOL. I had to grind down the housing, so that the starter can pivot. No during pics, but I do have after for you to compare. Pretty much, you will need to space your starter off of the tranny by 3/16". I found 1/16" more wasnt going to hurt, and it didnt. So I bought a strap of 1/4"x1"x however long strap. So I could cut the tabs from it, and have 1/4" thick spacers to weld onto the starter.

Now, with that 1/4" thick spacer in mind, you can get an idea for how much of the starter needs to be ground off. You pretty much need to grind all the way around the snout, so it can turn down, or inwards, since youre putting it on a smaller diameter flywheel.

You will also need to open up the front/upper tab, so that it can turn down. And then you weld the spacer on accordingly, to provide a new hole/alignment, once you find that alignment.

I also found that there are at least 3 different B series starters. None of them have similar internals. So find your most common starter, and modify that one. That way, when it goes, you can find another and swap internals, rather than modifying another starter. Because its a huge bitch.

Here is my finished product



The tab/ear I opened up to realign how the starter sat.







The hole that I opened up for a bigger bolt.



Now onto getting it into the car. Each chassis will be slightly different, but very similar. You must use a set of B series motor mounts. You use the tranny mounts only. Now, the B series is about an inch longer of a block. So your B series tranny/mounts will sit your D16 motor about an inch closer to the passenger side. So you will either need to make a mount for your driver side/timing belt side motor mount, or you can space the mount off of the block by an inch. I also found that the Z6 sits funny as fuck in an 88-91 chassis. So the driver's side mount is tweaked as hell. But if you made your own, itd be a lot easier.







The way I spaced my mount off of the block, was to use a spacer between the L-bracket part of the mount, and the block itself. Then just cut the timing covers slightly. Everyone of my friends that has done this needed an inch. For some reason I only needed 3/8". So I just took an extra L-bracket, and I cut it down to the flange that bolts to the motor. Then I had it milled by my friend again, so it was flat. I then just used longer bolts.

I also had some motor rocking issues with only 3 mounts. So my friend NayrOne at Colorado Race Fab made me a gangster ass front mount.



And while I was there, we welded the drain plug on the block up. If youre not making over 500-600whp, and have no plans of doing so, you dont need to do this. But you also probably dont need a B series tranny. So stop being a bitch, and turn the boost up!



D2B FTW bitches



And not one tranny issue the whole fucking time.



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Re: theidealone's D2B Write Up
« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2011, 08:15:10 PM »

that shit is tits, thanks for reposting it
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Re: theidealone's D2B Write Up
« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2011, 08:21:09 PM »

damn, my post didnt show up, what kind of HP were you putting down to get that 10.5?
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« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2011, 08:53:11 PM »

Your post showed up, and he answered it.  He double posted this thread... and trust me, if it was too long to read the first time it sure as hell is too much to read the second time around.


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Re: theidealone's D2B Write Up
« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2011, 08:58:28 PM »

Defiantly a Rhmt write up. Nothing purchased there! All home made!
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« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2011, 09:13:40 PM »

Your post showed up, and he answered it.  He double posted this thread... and trust me, if it was too long to read the first time it sure as hell is too much to read the second time around.


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Re: theidealone's D2B Write Up
« Reply #7 on: November 03, 2011, 09:52:43 PM »

This fuckin server is killing me. I posted it, and then when I came home to see if there were any replies, it wasnt there. So I posted it again. And now both threads appear. LOL. Its fuckin magic. Quit fuckin with my Grand Wizard. Ill cut you. O0
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« Reply #8 on: November 03, 2011, 09:56:39 PM »

And now I cant find my double post. So I guess Ill answer your question again.

I was making 556 said the dyno. But dyno's are kind of irrelevant. It made enough to go 140. Had this been in a chassis with A-arms/wishbones instead of LCAs, or had I made rear radius rods to keep my tires out of my bumper, it probably could have 60' worth a shit. If that were the case, the power it was making, it should have been in the .20s or teens.
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« Reply #9 on: November 03, 2011, 09:59:18 PM »

Son of a bitch. Im just fuckin retarded. Turns out I posted it in Fab first. Thought I had posted it in Hybrid/Tech. And when I couldnt find it, I just reposted it in Hybrid/Tech. But I still blame the fuckin Grand Wizard for fuckin with my head.

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« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2011, 10:54:25 AM »

And now I cant find my double post. So I guess Ill answer your question again.

I was making 556 said the dyno. But dyno's are kind of irrelevant. It made enough to go 140. Had this been in a chassis with A-arms/wishbones instead of LCAs, or had I made rear radius rods to keep my tires out of my bumper, it probably could have 60' worth a shit. If that were the case, the power it was making, it should have been in the .20s or teens.

Im doing a few things to try and help put the power down with the crx. Weld up the engine bay, making door/fender braces, and a cage. Then im going to make some limiter straps, and rear limiter to control how much squat it has.
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« Reply #11 on: November 07, 2011, 02:58:02 PM »

I dont think the squat or limiters will really help all that much. You might as well just weld the struts solid front and rear. But if you dont have suspension to do the work, the tires will take the shock. Just get some decent shocks, and itll go further.

Your main problem is going to be the front LCAs. Traction bar just isnt enough. It needs front and rear support on that LCA.

You need to keep it from doing this:



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« Reply #12 on: November 07, 2011, 03:04:50 PM »

Did you ever play with the ride height? It looks like tires were jamming in that bumper pretty good.
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« Reply #13 on: November 07, 2011, 03:20:32 PM »

It needs front and rear support on that LCA.


How do you do that?
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« Reply #14 on: November 07, 2011, 03:29:12 PM »

The only way I could see doing it would be with an lca like the 92-00 cars have. Mirroring the standard traction bar on the back side wouldnt work.
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« Reply #15 on: November 07, 2011, 04:30:27 PM »

I could see it working with stiff bushings and a traction bar kit that only uses 2 joints vs 4. If the radius arm hard-mounted to the lca, it will have to bend the lca, radius arm, and/or crossmember before the wheels move forward.
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« Reply #16 on: November 07, 2011, 05:50:03 PM »

When I made my super budget GRM car traction bar, I used the stock radius rods and welded a threaded sleeve with heim joint to the end and made a new x-member for the heim joint to connect to and also mount a half rad. It seems to work fine. It hasn't seen any real drag runs, but it did ok in the auto-x and feels fine with the little bit of street driving I have done. It hooks solid in all gears with cold drag radials and 15psi. I haven't tried actually launching it yet though.
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« Reply #17 on: November 07, 2011, 11:30:28 PM »

Shit, my car FELT great. I didnt know it did this until my wife caught that shot. After that, I started paying attention to other EF/ED chassis, and same shit. Only thing I have seen done, is mirroring the radius rods to the rear crossmember. The people that have done it, say they have seen improvements, and the 60 fts improved as well.

The car has a Full Race traction bar, which is pretty fuckin solid I must say. Its bolts where the tow hooks go (and the nuts have been rewelded), as well as on the bottom side where the stock crossmember used to bolt. So I know its not pivoting the crossmember itself. The only thing I can imagine is its flexing the radius rods, which arent small radius rods by any means.

But yea, I wish these damn cars had a wishbone/a arm, instead of the control arm.

K-Tuned makes a setup, but I want to make my own. People seem to love them, but the rear mounting point looks a little weak to me.










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« Reply #18 on: November 07, 2011, 11:33:14 PM »

Actually, I was just reading, and I didnt realize that the bolt that goes through the plate and heim joint also goes into the rear crossmember. So it sandwiches the heim joint between the plate and the crossmember. Not as bad as I thought.
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« Reply #19 on: November 08, 2011, 01:26:06 AM »

Im going to have to look into making something like this!
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« Reply #20 on: November 08, 2011, 01:34:10 AM »

It might be effective, but it really is a half-cocked solution.

Great for suspension bind.

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« Reply #21 on: November 08, 2011, 03:21:23 AM »

My only adjustment would be possibly to rotate the mounting of the rear heim by 90*. That way the pivot of it would be the same as the LCA, so it would mimic the A-arm of a 92-00.
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« Reply #22 on: November 08, 2011, 07:37:24 AM »

I wonder if you could just use a 92-00 lca then make a mount with a spherical bearing.
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Re: theidealone's D2B Write Up
« Reply #23 on: November 09, 2011, 02:09:39 AM »

I bet the main reason that k-tuned stuff works is because the suspension bind acts as a limit strap. Tape 3 corners of a printer paper to a table, then lift the 4th corner. Notice how the paper bends. The only difference between the paper and that k-tuned setup is the lca can't bend, instead it binds.

Next cut that rectangle into a triangle (cut between opposite taped corners), then tape down the middle between the taped corners. Lift the 4th corner, notice how it all stays flat.



IIRC the full race stuff was designed to not bind, with the radius arm mounts in-line with the lca bolt's pivot. I bet if you made a simple tie bar that connects the traction bar with the lca pivot and somewhere on the rear x-member, it would do the same thing but with zero chance of binding.
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Re: theidealone's D2B Write Up
« Reply #24 on: November 09, 2011, 09:20:56 AM »

It might be effective, but it really is a half-cocked solution.

Great for suspension bind.

Show me one riced out Honda with enough suspension travel to bind.  I hear what you're saying, but it's a non-issue for the most part.

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Re: theidealone's D2B Write Up
« Reply #25 on: November 09, 2011, 11:23:02 AM »

It might be effective, but it really is a half-cocked solution.

Great for suspension bind.

Show me one riced out Honda with enough suspension travel to bind.  I hear what you're saying, but it's a non-issue for the most part.

Well there you have it.

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Re: theidealone's D2B Write Up
« Reply #26 on: November 09, 2011, 07:19:51 PM »

Bind or not, it will still force the lca inward and alter toe & camber. Not good when you're HP is 5x stock, no matter how small. Regardless, if I paid for a traction bar I wouldn't accept shit that isn't close to perfect.

Otherwise I'll go buy a china turbo. I've heard blown seals are a non-issue for the most part...
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Re: theidealone's D2B Write Up
« Reply #27 on: November 09, 2011, 08:31:59 PM »

So how about everyone knocking the design, or finding problems. How about find a solution, design it, test it, etc????
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Re: theidealone's D2B Write Up
« Reply #28 on: November 09, 2011, 08:36:12 PM »

So how about everyone knocking the design, or finding problems. How about find a solution, design it, test it, etc????

Take some accurate measurements FGT!

That is honestly the only thing I am waiting on.  I can't exactly get my shit up on a lift when I am 4 hours away from a lift.

Lots of ideas floating around, but no time or facilities to take measurements.

Can't do any drag testing since corrupt ass Kansas City council finally got KCIR shut down. 

Besides, there is no money in faggot ass Honduh parts.

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Re: theidealone's D2B Write Up
« Reply #29 on: November 09, 2011, 08:41:40 PM »

IIRC the full race stuff was designed to not bind, with the radius arm mounts in-line with the lca bolt's pivot. I bet if you made a simple tie bar that connects the traction bar with the lca pivot and somewhere on the rear x-member, it would do the same thing but with zero chance of binding.

Not really sure I understand what your explaining. Wanna do some more MS Painting? :)

And I dunno about the Full Race being designed to not bind or not. But the radius rod mounts where the stock radius rod would mount.
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