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[imburne]

Key points so it makes solving easier.

Car ran fine before on the same ecu, stock injectors. TO my defense the cars existing injector wiring was already short as hell from a semi wire tuck which made it a pain to wire up the two things I did on them.. Separately of course 

I changed:
TPS but dialed in
OMNI 4 Bar, but threw that in on the basemap
New fresh map with a p72 basecode, all sensors on
PTE 780cc's Using some of their voltage offsets but I cant fit all as there is not as many fields to plug it in.
PTE 780 Offsets emailed from PTE
1.63ms@8.7v  1.00ms@10.4v  .80ms@12.2v  .70ms@13.9v  .60ms@15.6v  .56ms@17.4v  .56ms@19.1v  .53ms@20.9v
I show mine in the video
10 ohm 10 watt resistors I tried to turn the car over with twice.. Pulled on them and noticed one was broken so I tried the resistor box route and pulled a code for injector wiring poop. Also in the video
While trying to connect a wire to my B6 input on the harness, I noticed the conversion harness tabs that keep the pins in place came apart slightly. I did try to push the wires into it but it seemed they were all the way in. Still having a wiring issue at the conversion harness on my previous build worried me with this one. Can take pics if needed.
Never got the crank sensor code before or the injector wiring poop code. ELD has been there before and I was able to disable it in the system with no issues.

Kind of a recap of what I said with video
Civic starting issues

[chris]

spark/fuel?


Its really that simple

tps can be way off and the car will still run just like ass but it will start

[imburne]

Getting fuel all the way to the injectors but I dont know from there if its dumping fuel or not. Fuel pressure is up as well.

I will check injector voltage at the clips in a few minutes and try to ground out a screwdriver to check for spark

[Ntrain2k]

Getting fuel all the way to the injectors but I dont know from there if its dumping fuel or not. Fuel pressure is up as well.

I will check injector voltage at the clips in a few minutes and try to ground out a screwdriver to check for spark

Have you pulled a plug to see if they are getting wet from fuel?

[chris]

also if your dumping tons of fuel on your plugs pull them and clean them up best as possible. It does happen that a car will have fuel/spark and wont start from plugs soaked/fouled from fuel fixed a couple cars in my day from that.

[imburne]

Before I crank it over again I just wanted to ask something else. I just checked the voltage on the injector clips and they all read 11.24 - 11.45 volts coming out of the clip. Is this good if I wired in the resistor pack correctly?

Will check for fuel and spark at the plugs after you guys answer as I really dont want to fry the ecu with shotty wiring on my part. Thanks

[imburne]

I have spark to the plugs.. I took out plug 1 and 4 and I dont see or smell any signs of gas.

Last night I wired it normal to test the stock injectors but I threw away the clips since I thought I would never use them again.

[imburne]

Oi, I need some help mates.

[ratcityrex]

To much shit to be wrong. I would start trying to narrow shit down, by pulling 4 bar out and go back to stock, and I would also try stock obd0-obd1 since you have it wired for them. Are u using Crome?

[92CXyD]

I had similar issue before, resistor box wiring or injector wire at the clips.

I'd find another harness and start over, I did that and work out.

On the next setup I'm building a whole new harness. 

[DasPoop]

ohm out the inj. back to the computer?
If the injectors are firing then the dizzy is sending enough signals to the ecu so thats working(as far as sensors)
strange question as I think the car would still run just really shitty is are the injectors wired correctly to there respective cyl?
another really stupid question is do you have the tps/map plugs swapped?
I would just start at the injector wiring and trace it all the way back to the ecu.

code 16 is a code when either an injector reads open or short to ground.

Hope this helps



I agree with aj and try stock map stock injectors.

[ratcityrex]

I always try and do shit 1 step at a time, and test everything after. Like when I go to turbo my car, I will have to wire up a resistor pack for my 72# injectors. I will do that b4 I even strap a turbo on. Then ill tweek my stock bin untill its pretty close. Then put what ever map sensor im gona run in and tweek it a little. After that Ill slap my turbo on and set my boost cut at 1-2 psi and do all my part throttle tuning.


Also I was talking to LEED about running a 4bar on crome and he said that if I was set on running crome to get a 3 bar otherwise upgrade to ectune to run the 4 bar. He said crome and 4 bar are kinda tricky.

[Joseph Davis]

See if it runs on starting fluid.

Completely unplug conversion harness, both sides.  Push all wires into the connectors to ensure they have not backed out.  When plugging back in, push connectors in by their wires and NOT by the plugs to make sure no pins get pushed out. 

If the conversion harness has black OBD1 plugs, make sure that miscegenated piece of shit hasn't hurt the ECU's connector.

Have tuning/datalogging gear?  Seeing what the ECU sees is always the best.

[Joseph Davis]

Oh, yeah.  You sound like a smooth ass black dude in that video.   

[HiProfile]

Basically your car isn't getting the right air/fuel/spark it wants. You need to back track to find out what it's not getting enough of (if at all), or getting too much of.


If the MAP is reading -1 psi, it's fairly close, but it's still better to get it running on a stock sensor first. Next turn on the key, then measure the resistance from the battery +12v to the injector clips - both sides since you've molested the wires. With the injector box in, it should read 6-8 ohms, with no injector box it will read 1ohm or less. You should also check resistance between the two wires in each injector clip. There should be no continuity between them.

As JD said, try starting it with starter fluid. Spray a shitload into the throttle body after disconnecting the injectors, then crank it over a few times. Make sure the plugs are dry like Das said, you can hit them with starter fluid or carb cleaner. It should at least sputter a little.

If it starts, ziptie the injectors to the rail, pull them out of the manifold, then crank it over with them plugged in. If they spray, it's a matter of too much or too little fuel. If not all spray, it's your wiring.

[imburne]

Thank you everyone for the input. So the car started last night. I wired the injectors like normal, cut off the tabs of the OBD2 stock injectors so they fit with the OBD1 plugs. So it could have been my shitty wiring, which I looked over before removing and it looked fine... Or, the fact that I might of not uploaded the map correctly. Thanks for the help

Oh, yeah.  You sound like a smooth ass black dude in that video.   

No shit? This is nOt good. First time I seen my badass and racist cousins in over a year and one of the first things they say is are you hanging out with any niggies?

[chris]

you live in antelope valley it was due that you would sound like a black brown dude


if you ever talk to jay aka flip nog he sounds like surfer white dude

pretty funny.

[ratcityrex]

if you ever talk to jay aka flip nog he sounds like surfer white dude

He is a white guy, he's just real real tan

[Joseph Davis]

if you ever talk to jay aka flip nog he sounds like surfer white dude

He is a white guy, he's just real real tan