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[Ntrain2k]

Might be a heads up for some on here...

http://www.usrecallnews.com/2009/04/nhtsa-5068.html

April 12, 2009

Vehicle Make / Model: Model Year(s):

BUICK / REGAL 1997-2003
CHEVROLET / IMPALA 2000-2003
CHEVROLET / LUMINA 1998-1999
CHEVROLET / MONTE CARLO 1998-2003
OLDSMOBILE / INTRIGUE 1998-1999
PONTIAC / GRAND PRIX 1997-2003

Manufacturer: GENERAL MOTORS CORP. Mfr’s Report Date: APR 08, 2009
NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID Number: 09V116000 EA07008 NHTSA Action Number: EA07008
Component: ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING
Potential Number of Units Affected: 1497516

Summary: GENERAL MOTORS IS RECALLING 1,497,516 YEAR 1997-2003 BUICK REGAL, YEAR 1998-2003 CHEVROLET LUMINA, MONTE CARLO AND IMPALA, YEAR 1998-1999 OLDSMOBILE INTRIGUE, YEAR 1997-2003 PONTIAC GRAND PRIX VEHICLES EQUIPPED WITH A 3.8L V6 NATURALLY ASPIRATED ENGINE. SOME OF THESE VEHICLES HAVE A CONDITION IN WHICH DROPS OF ENGINE OIL MAY BE DEPOSITED ON THE EXHAUST MANIFOLD THROUGH HARD BRAKING.

Consequence: IF THE MANIFOLD IS HOT ENOUGH AND THE OIL RUNS BELOW THE HEAT SHIELD, IT MAY IGNITE INTO A SMALL FLAME AND MAY SPREAD TO THE PLASTIC SPARK PLUG WIRE CHANNEL AND BEYOND INCREASING THE RISK OF AN ENGINE COMPARTMENT FIRE.

Remedy: DEALERS WILL REMOVE THE SPARK PLUG WIRE RETENTION CHANNEL AT THE FRONT OF ENGINE AND INSTALL TWO NEW SPARK PLUG WIRE RETAINERS FREE OF CHARGE. THE RECALL IS EXPECTED TO BEGIN DURING MAY 2009. OWNERS MAY CONTACT CHEVROLET AT 1-800-630-2438, OLDSMOBILE AT 1-800-630-6537, AND PONTIAC AT 1-800-620-7668 OR HTTP://WWW.PONTIAC.COM OR HTTP:WWW.GMOWNERCENTER.COM.

Notes: GM RECALL NO. 90047. OWNERS MAY ALSO CONTACT THE NATIONAL HIGHWAY TRAFFIC SAFETY ADMINISTRATION’S VEHICLE SAFETY HOTLINE AT 1-888-327-4236 (TTY 1-800-424-9153), OR GO TO HTTP://WWW.SAFERCAR.GOV .

[Conceptz-X]

ouch 

I wonder how the safety recall shit works if they go through bankruptcy

[Conceptz-X]

Bankruptcy does not necessarily spell the end for GM, under Ch.11 They reorganize debt, therefore it could allow them to slip out from several creditors, unuions, gov, and other obligations.

[AWDstylez]

Adding insult to serious injury.  Fuck GM and their shitty vehicles.

[88dx]

pretty sweet that it takes them 12 years to figure this out  :somb:

[Joseph Davis]

Hilarious.  A scheme to take the bailout money and run, I surmise.

[dive_miguel]

I don't recall reading about that issue on the 3800s when i used to frequent those forums...

[Sinister]

I don't recall reading about that issue on the 3800s when i used to frequent those forums...

Yup, just gotta worry about those plastic intake manifolds going kaboom. 

[SiFlyBy]

Or warping and leaking special orange in to the engine...

[chris]

Bankruptcy does not necessarily spell the end for GM, under Ch.11 They reorganize debt, therefore it could allow them to slip out from several creditors, unuions, gov, and other obligations.

Gm will be owned by the government this time next year. No matter what they do they wont be able to come back in a recession that will last through Obama's 4 year term.


You cant fix 20 years of bad management and hope for the best. You can do every trick in the book no one is going to spend 30K+ on cars when unemployment #'s rise and have no sign of stopping. Who knew you still needed blue collar workers. Oh well we can all work at wal mart

[92CXyD]

I don't recall reading about that issue on the 3800s when i used to frequent those forums...

These intake manifolds are usually kept in stock in most parts stores. Made by a company called dorman designed to control that issue. P/N 615-180

When I was working at a Checker store I would sell one of these mani. a week for 5 years.
I would have customers totally amazed that I knew about their problems with these manifolds.

But to be fair we also stock the plastic and aluminum mani. for the LTD/Crown Vic. 4.6l engines another failure prone intake but for different issues.


As for GM being own by the gov't I doubt that.  Just remember the Federal Gov't could even run a whore house in Nevada awhile ago. 
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,292166,00.html
http://www.starbulletin.com/columnists/honolululite/20081204_Feds_couldnt_even_manage_a_bawdyhouse.html

[Aero]

They claimed for years that this issue only effected the supercharged Grad Prix's.  Last fall my girl's GP SE burned down from this, and only liability. She got fucked over.

[rsmith2786]

Sue them.

[d-rail]

Anymore unless it's a GM LS motor or a Dodge Hemi motor, I don't think the motors really differ from eachother. Used to I'd see that and say FUCKING FORD just like the Ford cruise control issue they had. But these days it's all about cutting corners and money. Fuck them all cause I can't afford a Hemi or a Chevy LS motor. Old school shit is the way to go.

[t_cel_t]

ahahaha, junk

[Joseph Davis]

But to be fair we also stock the plastic and aluminum mani. for the LTD/Crown Vic. 4.6l engines another failure prone intake but for different issues.

But to be fair, Ford also cleaned up that engine although it took them ~6 years to do so - GM would never consider improving one of their designs.  Those things were headgasket blowing piles of dogshit when they first came out.

[t_cel_t]

one of my friends worked at a machine shop and he told me about the the 20 gm intake manifolds he would machine flat every week, at least gm is consistent in their designs to fail.

[Aero]

What would really suck with one of the grand prix's is for someone who has an attatched garage to their home. Her's started on fire 5-10 minutes after she parked it where she worked, which is apparently fairly normal for how they burn down.   Imagine your home burning down because of that shit.

[turbostd]

I wonder how many cars are actually effected by this. I know in the lumnias and montecarlos the 3.8 is an optional motor most came with 3.1s or 3.4s

[92CXyD]

I wonder how many cars are actually effected by this. I know in the lumnias and montecarlos the 3.8 is an optional motor most came with 3.1s or 3.4s

Going by the first post I would say 1,497,516 cars. ;D

[Joseph Davis]

I wonder how many cars are actually effected by this. I know in the lumnias and montecarlos the 3.8 is an optional motor most came with 3.1s or 3.4s

Going by the first post I would say 1,497,516 cars. ;D

Are you that fucking stupid?  IT'S A GM.  These cars are six years old at the newest, less than half that figure are still on the road. 

[92CXyD]

No I'm not that stupid.

I was including the broken cars due to GM being sued by previouse owners of GM cars that had these problems and had their cars burn up. ;D

[DSM83]

Yes, suing is a fantastic idea.  Are we forgetting that GM is/has been a multi-billion $ company?  I don't even want to think about what kinds of lawyers they have that would be more than happy to twist this case up and make it the owners fault in some way.