Topic: Engine harness repair/repin/recondition/new (Read 12026 times)

92CXyD · « **on:** October 08, 2012, 02:05:13 PM »

I want to build an engine harness from ecu to my engine for both my Twincharge Civic and 3-stage vtec CRX.

I was looking at http://www.hondapartswholesaledirect.com/parts-catalog/honda/civic/1992/3dr-si/kl5mt/engine/engine-sub-cord-clamp

@ a cost of $371.36.

Then I was looking at Rywire
http://www.rywire.com/catalog/milspec-tucked-dseries-harness-p-49.html
But $599 starting is freaking nuts.

Looked Chasebay.com
http://www.chasebays.com/product-option/acura-integra--honda-civic/chase-bays-products/chase-bays-engine-harness--hondaacura-b--d--h-series
Start $549 and they have a shitty reputation on D-series.org http://www.d-series.org/forums/engine-management/164301-rywire-vs-chasebays.html

Looked at http://www.d-series.org/forums/sale/149754-fs-new-civic-tucked-engine-harness.html his work works good and has a good rep. but I can buy an OEM harness for $100 less.

He has a good write-up and doing your own which looks easy.

Also looked at http://wire-worx.com/headlight-harness/22-wireworx-honda-civic-eg-wiretuck-in-a-box.html
$399 starting out, with lots of customization options.

I was given a link by JD, http://www.bmotorsports.com/shop/index.php/cPath/109_110
But I need some help figuring which pins and connectors I need.

I have the Sumitomo catalogs on pdf and printed, but the p/n do not match bmotorsports.com p/n.

So does anyone have a spreadsheet on the p/n and or sources for pins and connectors, I want to do this as a new harness.

I can get different gauge stranded wire I want and I can have 3 or 4 harness to play with to match up lengths and such.

I already have diagrams on where all the connections go, I just need some good p/n's.

walter · « **Reply #1 on:** October 08, 2012, 02:11:54 PM »

there is a thread in Hondatech with a lot of info about this..try find that....

92CXyD · « **Reply #2 on:** October 08, 2012, 02:35:35 PM »

Quote from: walter on October 08, 2012, 02:11:54 PM

there is a thread in Hondatech with a lot of info about this..try find that....

Tried finding a link, all I could find was the p/n to a box of variety of different pins from the dealer for $300.

DasPoop · « **Reply #3 on:** October 08, 2012, 02:38:34 PM »

Russ i would just try to find a bunch of factory harneses i imagine the 3 stage vtec harness coimpared to say an ex is 2 more wires? i could be wrong but just de loom and re loom away honda wiring as far as actual wire is decent quality its not as awesome as german wire in the last 10 years but good none the less

92CXyD · « **Reply #4 on:** October 08, 2012, 03:12:03 PM »

Quote from: DasPoop on October 08, 2012, 02:38:34 PM

Russ i would just try to find a bunch of factory harneses i imagine the 3 stage vtec harness coimpared to say an ex is 2 more wires? i could be wrong but just de loom and re loom away honda wiring as far as actual wire is decent quality its not as awesome as german wire in the last 10 years but good none the less

Yeah but I need new pins and connectors, and if I get the hang doing mine maybe I could make some to sell.

PhilStubbs · « **Reply #5 on:** October 08, 2012, 03:20:57 PM »

I can't add a lot to this thread except, DO NOT BUY A CHASEBAYS HARNESS and wireworx would be the place to get one if you decide to buy a premade harness.

I have first hand experience that the chasebays harness is complete garbage. Luckily it wasn't my car or my money though. Also, a good friend got a free harness from him as a sponsorship and promptly sold it after lots of issues before getting it and after getting it. He is now a wireworx dealer and has nothing but good things to say. This guy shaves and tucks 3+ bays a month.

92CXyD · « **Reply #6 on:** October 08, 2012, 10:36:01 PM »

found this site for Sumitomo p/n's, a lot of the sensor are of the HW sealed series p/n. (connector/pins/seals)

Still looking for the TPS/MAP sensor connectors

Gather these p/n's then find some cheap sources.

walter · « **Reply #7 on:** October 09, 2012, 06:05:41 AM »

http://honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2154272

that what i meant, there is another iirc talking about connectors..

ago long time i took many hours finding info for milspec and oem connectors, when i have money and time i will try to make one for my SR20DE

jdmhatchracer94 · « **Reply #8 on:** October 10, 2012, 01:27:04 AM »

I wanna do this also but dont have patients to try and find all the part #'s and tools and pins etc FML gettin lazy

92CXyD · « **Reply #9 on:** October 10, 2012, 07:52:27 AM »

Quote from: jdmhatchracer94 on October 10, 2012, 01:27:04 AM

I wanna do this also but dont have patients to try and find all the part #'s and tools and pins etc FML gettin lazy

I'm getting the Sumitomo p/n's figured out, and I know Tyco is who goto for the ECU connectors and pins.

When I get it figured out I'll post the spreadsheet in this thread or in OG section.

PhilStubbs · « **Reply #10 on:** October 10, 2012, 10:18:55 AM »

That would be awesome. I have always wished someone would. I want to build a harness mor my ef. It was a 91 std starting out. Now it is obd1, mpfi, pwm boost control, etc. it's pretty much impossible to make all those mods clean without just ripping the entire harness apart.

walter · « **Reply #11 on:** October 11, 2012, 07:25:02 AM »

i will try to find all info i have in my old hd about this and post here..

92CXyD · « **Reply #12 on:** October 11, 2012, 07:26:08 AM »

Quote from: walter on October 11, 2012, 07:25:02 AM

i will try to find all info i have in my old hd about this and post here..

Kool

crxvtec91 · « **Reply #13 on:** October 12, 2012, 12:38:52 PM »

Perfect, just what I was looking for. I need to build a harness for my brother volvo 2jz project using a aem honda box.

jdmhatchracer94 · « **Reply #14 on:** October 13, 2012, 01:05:43 AM »

Quote from: crxvtec91 on October 12, 2012, 12:38:52 PM

Perfect, just what I was looking for. I need to build a harness for my brother volvo 2jz project using a aem honda box.

interesting

92CXyD · « **Reply #15 on:** October 13, 2012, 12:44:27 PM »

From http://www.d-series.org/forums/general-tech/127787-new-oem-wiring-plugs-connectors-sockets.html :

OBD1 ECU Connectors Harness Side [Male] Plugging into ECU
USES: DIY Jumper Harnesses, Conversions, Repair, etc.
Connector A [26 Pin]: Tyco/AMP Electronics P/N: 174516
Connector B [16 Pin]: Tyco/AMP Electronics P/N: 174514
Connector C [22 Pin]: Tyco/AMP Electronics P/N: 174515
The above have a "-#" at the end. Replace the # with a corresponding number per colors: 1 - White, 2 - Black, 5 - Blue, 6 - Gray, 7 - Yellow
There are corresponding receptacle pins you must order with these.

Source of ECU pins:

http://honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2864923

More info:

http://wikitest.pgmfi.org/twiki/bin/view.pl/Library/AccordAutoOBD2-OBD1
http://www.onecamonly.com/archive/index.php/t-3204.html

92CXyD · « **Reply #16 on:** January 03, 2013, 11:32:22 PM »

Quote from: walter on October 11, 2012, 07:25:02 AM

i will try to find all info i have in my old hd about this and post here..

Any luck Walter?

HW Sealed Series Plugs
VTEC solenoid plug
Female - F(6189-0386)
male - M(6181-0227)

2pin plug (reverse lights & others)
Female - F(6189-0129)
male - M(6181-0070)

VSS plug
Female - F(6189-0130)
male - M(6181-0071)

O2 plug
Female - F(6189-0132)
male - M(6181-0073)

6pin plug (cruise control & others)
Female - F(6189-0133)
male - M(6181-0074)

8pin plug (OBD2B dizzy)
Female - F(6189-0134)
male - M(6181-0075)

10 pin (blue plug, pwr/grnd for engine harness)
Female - F(6189-0135)
male - M(6181-0076)

14 pin (pwr/grnd for engine harness)
Female - F(6189-0136)
male - M(6181-0077)

HW series pins
note: sold in reels of 5000
male - M(1500-0105)
Female - F(1500-0106) - brass
F(1500-0110) - heat resistant copper alloy

HW wire seals
note: sold in pack of 2000
gray - (7165-0385)
brown - (7165-0119)
blue - (7165-0118)
plug for empty ports - (7161-9787) note: sold in packs of 1000

HX Sealed series plugs
OBD2A dizzy
Female - F(6189-0555)
male - M(6181-0381)

HX sereis pins
small pins
male - M(8230-4472) cable diameter 1.4 - 2.4mm note: reels of 4000
M(8230-4562) cable diameter 1.8 - 2.6mm note: reels of 3500
M(8230-4552) cable diameter 2.1 - 2.9mm note: reels of 3500

female - F(8240-4862) cable diameter 1.4 - 2.4mm note: reels of 4000
F(8240-4992) cable diameter 1.8 - 2.6mm note: reels of 3500
F(8240-4952) cable diameter 2.1 - 2.9mm note: reels of 3500

large pins
male - M(8100-0463) cable diameter 1.4 - 2.4mm note: reels of 3000
M(8100-0464) cable diameter 1.6 - 2.9mm note: reels of 3000
M(8100-0465) cable diameter 2.6 - 4.1mm note: reels of 2500

female - F(8100-0661) cable diameter 1.4 - 2.4mm note: reels of 2500
F(8100-0660) cable diameter 1.6 - 2.6mm note: reels of 2500
F(8100-0468) cable diameter 2.6 - 4.1mm note: reels of 2500

HX sereis seals
small
gray - (7165-0385) note: silicone, cable diameter 1.2-1.7mm packs of 2000
blue - (7165-0118) note: rubber, cable diameter 1.7-2.4mm packs of 2000
brown - (7165-0119) "" cable diameter 2.1-2.9 ""

large
brown - (7165-0172) note: rubber, diameter 1.3-1.9 packs of 1000
gray - (7165-0130) note: rubber, diameter 1.8-2.9 ""
black - (7165-0131) note: rubber, diameter 3.0-4.1 ""

HX series plugs
small - (7161-9787) note: brown sold in packs of 1000
large - (7165-0145) note: gray ""

interior wiring

gauge cluster plugs - MN series connectors
if you need these you can find them on their site
dash and floor harness - HE series connectors
ditto

I'll start ordering some of this within a month.

I got this link sent to me, but have not used them yet. http://www.newunitedracetech.com/shop/ Any body have experience with these guys.

Joseph Davis · « **Reply #17 on:** January 04, 2013, 04:17:23 PM »

Lets start over.

Quote from: 92CXyD on October 08, 2012, 02:05:13 PM

I want to build an engine harness from ecu to my engine for both my Twincharge Civic and 3-stage vtec CRX.

I was looking at http://www.hondapartswholesaledirect.com/parts-catalog/honda/civic/1992/3dr-si/kl5mt/engine/engine-sub-cord-clamp

@ a cost of $371.36.

Then I was looking at Rywire
http://www.rywire.com/catalog/milspec-tucked-dseries-harness-p-49.html
But $599 starting is freaking nuts.

You don't need milspec. Rywire non-milspec tuck harness retails at $399, I could maybe get one drop shipped to you for no shipping via xeno but IDK as their price break on those is minimal... in truth, Rywire's margins are really small, they are trying to make $ off of quantity.

Anyway, I've said it before, but J-series harnesses have most of the 90s engine plugs on the engine, and a BIG LONG stretch that goes across the firewall before going into the engine bay. Scam one for cheap/free, cut apart and sleeve with DR-25 or braided loom, terminate in OBDx ECU plugs.

Russ, if you want somebody to throw some money in on a few 040 and 080 pins for the OBD1 plug end of things, I could cough up some money towards that. You hold the money and do the transaction and ship parcels out when you get them. Just make sure everyone understands a component order like that usually gets paid for first, produces 2.5 months later.

I'm really more interested in OBD2 Ford ECU pins, though.

HiProfile · « **Reply #18 on:** January 05, 2013, 02:08:54 PM »

I'm surprised you nogs even consider building a harness from scratch.

2 Used harnesses: $75 (one for your chassis, one from an unpopular chassis)
Solder, iron, heat shrink, heat gun, flux solvent: $75
Loom (either split or fancy fabricy shit that gets dirt into it): $25

I did the above when I made a DPFI harness into an obd0-obd1 EF harness, except the harnesses came with the car & swap. I just did it again for my Integra H/F-series harness. I got a D15 harness cheap ($110 for harness, p06, and p28) and an F23 harness on ebay for $10.99 shipped. I pulled the loom off, cut the short wires off the D15, cut longer pigtails off the F23 harness, then soldered them back together. I even got the wire that goes from the ecu to the shock tower from the F23 harness.

The process took maybe 8hrs, so say 16hrs MAX for someone w/o a clue. Even if you're a baller making $30+ per hour, that's cheaper than anything I've seen here. And you know it's done right.

jdmhatchracer94 · « **Reply #19 on:** January 05, 2013, 04:43:16 PM »

Where do u get the dr25?

92CXyD · « **Reply #20 on:** January 05, 2013, 06:57:35 PM »

Quote from: HiProfile on January 05, 2013, 02:08:54 PM

I'm surprised you nogs even consider building a harness from scratch.

2 Used harnesses: $75 (one for your chassis, one from an unpopular chassis)
Solder, iron, heat shrink, heat gun, flux solvent: $75
Loom (either split or fancy fabricy shit that gets dirt into it): $25

I did the above when I made a DPFI harness into an obd0-obd1 EF harness, except the harnesses came with the car & swap. I just did it again for my Integra H/F-series harness. I got a D15 harness cheap ($110 for harness, p06, and p28) and an F23 harness on ebay for $10.99 shipped. I pulled the loom off, cut the short wires off the D15, cut longer pigtails off the F23 harness, then soldered them back together. I even got the wire that goes from the ecu to the shock tower from the F23 harness.

The process took maybe 8hrs, so say 16hrs MAX for someone w/o a clue. Even if you're a baller making $30+ per hour, that's cheaper than anything I've seen here. And you know it's done right.

Curious, besides F23, and J-series harness what else could be used that is not super popular yet?

HiProfile · « **Reply #21 on:** January 07, 2013, 07:09:04 AM »

Aside from any obd2 4-cyl Honda, that's about it (for connectors). For wire, probably most german cars. But most people won't part out a car that nobody wants parts for anyways, or they crank up the price. I found 2 v6 Honda harnesses on ebay fairly easily for a decent price yesterday when I looked.

walter · « **Reply #22 on:** January 07, 2013, 10:01:51 AM »

havent much time really, i will check this week!!

JHMED6 · « **Reply #23 on:** August 28, 2013, 01:28:09 PM »

I built my own harness re-using my factory harness. I was looking into buying new plugs and pins. I found most of the P/N for the male and female pins. It's annoying that the distributor pins are different than the sensor pins.

I used the nylon braid as my casing (similar to wireworx)

If I did it again, I'd make sure to use adhesive lined heatshrink on everything, and buy a heat shrink labeler.

Don't forget you'd need a crimper for all this, too. The pins are tiny. You might as well add a quick disconnect firewall plug, too. I wish I had done that... I want to make another harness...

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Author Topic: Engine harness repair/repin/recondition/new (Read 12026 times)