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obongo's healthcare bullshit
« on: July 28, 2009, 05:41:44 PM »

http://townhall.com/columnists/PhyllisSchlafly/2009/07/28/reading_the_fine_print_in_the_health_care_bill?page=full

 The House Democrats' health-care bill is titled "America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009." No clue is given as to how long we will have a choice, but it will probably be only until the "public option" chases private insurance out of business.

The bill's subtitle states its purpose as health care for everyone, reducing "the growth in health care spending ... and for other purposes." Note that the goal is not to reduce spending but only the "growth" in spending, and we need to worry about the "other purposes" that will be added by the bureaucrats' regulations.

The bill states that health-care benefits require "shared responsibility among workers, employers, and the government." That means the government will force all taxpayers to pay for health care for millions of people who don't now buy insurance because they don't need it, or because insurance doesn't cover what they do need. (Page 5)

The bill states that the government will investigate "self-insured employers not being able to pay obligations." Government agents will audit and then harass small-business owners to force them to pay for insurance they cannot afford. (Page 22)

The bill provides for optional "nurse home visitation services" without specifying who has power to exercise the option. Among the various purposes listed are "increasing birth intervals between pregnancies" (this reminds us of China's policies to reduce childbirth by married couples), reducing "child abuse, neglect, and injury" (giving more authority to the already too powerful Child Protective Services) and promoting school readiness (will homeschooling be scorned?). (Page 768)

The bill covers family planning. Those are well-known code words for taxpayer-funded contraception and abortion, and will impose mandatory coverage of abortion on demand in all health plans. (Page 772)

The bill provides for "culturally and linguistically appropriate communication and health services" and "shall give priority to applicants that have developed partnerships with community organizations or with agencies with experience in language access." This opens up plenty of funding for health and translation services for illegal aliens. (Pages 405 and 407)

Title II of the bill creates a "Health Insurance Exchange," pretending to be a marketplace for health insurance plans. Of course, so long as the "public option" is subsidized by the taxpayers, it can always undersell private plans. (Page 72)

The government will specify the health benefits that must be included in any plan participating in the Health Insurance Exchange. If all private plans must include all government-specified benefits (which will surely include benefits unwanted by many people and will inevitably drive up costs), whatever happened to choice? (Page 84)

Anyone who does not enroll in an Exchange-participating plan will be "automatically enrolled under Medicaid." The government will thus use force to achieve its goal of universal coverage. (Page 102)

Employers will be subjected to a play-or-pay mandate. Those who do not provide health insurance to their employees must give the government a "contribution" equal to 8 percent of average wages paid. (Page 149)

Seniors must submit to "advance care planning consultation" (aka end-of-life discussions) every five years, or more often if there is "a significant change in the health condition of the individual, including diagnosis of a chronic, progressive, life-limiting disease, a life-threatening or terminal diagnosis or life-threatening injury." Will these consultants advise seniors to hurry up and die because they are costing too much money? (Pages 425 and 429)

Government bureaucrats will conduct "Comparative Effectiveness Research" to decide the effectiveness of treatments and drugs. That is the exotic label for rationing and, as House Appropriations Chairman David Obey, D-Wis., admitted, drugs and treatments that are "found to be less effective and more expensive will no longer be prescribed." (Pages 502 and 520)

Government bureaucrats (not the medical profession) shall determine national priorities for research. (Page 505)

Preference in awarding grants or contracts will be given to entities that have trained "the greatest percentage" of public-health workers in the government and that have trained large percentages of "under-represented minority groups." Think ACORN! (Pages 909 and 910)

The Senate bill's official summary also authorizes "home visits" to "improve immunization coverage." Will Americans tolerate a knock on the door from a government agent demanding that we and our children receive all government-ordered vaccines?

The fine print of the Democrats' health-care bill (which imposes incredible debt on our children) gives enormous power to the Obama bureaucrats to impose uniform, government-defined-benefits insurance, to decide how much we must pay or be hit with fines and penalties, and to determine what treatments and drugs are "effective" and will be permitted. This isn't America -- this is Marxist socialism.
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« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2009, 01:50:05 AM »

so basically they want to force health insurance on people, and force treatments on people?

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« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2009, 02:41:30 AM »

This isn't reality, this is fear-mongering.
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« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2009, 02:42:42 AM »

I just want the free cab rides u get with the Health coupons  :noel:
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« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2009, 03:23:28 AM »

I can go back to not using condoms and getting std's. Sounds like a plan to me
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« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2009, 03:25:35 AM »

so basically they want to force health insurance on people, and force treatments on people?


yes. if you do not have health insurance and you don't buy the govt plan they fine you.

and everyone's work will be fined if they don't provide insurance.

bye bye small business.

This isn't reality, this is fear-mongering.

how is it not reality?
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« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2009, 03:49:20 AM »

"The Senate bill's official summary also authorizes "home visits" to "improve immunization coverage." Will Americans tolerate a knock on the door from a government agent demanding that we and our children receive all government-ordered vaccines?"

That's bullshit, out of context, fear-mongering. I have a hard time taking anymore of it seriously with a statement like that.
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« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2009, 04:38:17 AM »

its all spikers fault cuz he voted for him  :P
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« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2009, 08:03:24 AM »

This isn't reality, this is fear-mongering.

the fucktards in congress are going to pass this without a moments notice. its gonna be reality. welcome to soviet america
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« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2009, 08:05:42 AM »

prevenitive care. How thats defined....a 600 calorie meal at mcdonalds will probably have a 20 or 30% tax.

you people need to contact your senators and congressman via phone, email or letter and tell them this shit is insane.
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« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2009, 08:11:27 AM »

It's about time someone stopped you fucks from being fat.   Now all we need to do is legalize marijuana.
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« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2009, 08:17:38 AM »

why stop at pot. why not make everything legal?  ::)
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« Reply #12 on: July 29, 2009, 08:20:24 AM »

Sounds great.  I'll write my congressman today.
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« Reply #13 on: July 29, 2009, 08:30:56 AM »

CIA can't launder big money if there's no black market guys.

I really think the amount of illicit money that is funneled into our economy is severely overlooked by people aiming to repeal prohibition.

Get rid of bullshit first, then embrace individual responsibility.

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« Reply #15 on: July 29, 2009, 12:06:38 PM »

"The Senate bill's official summary also authorizes "home visits" to "improve immunization coverage." Will Americans tolerate a knock on the door from a government agent demanding that we and our children receive all government-ordered vaccines?"

That's bullshit, out of context, fear-mongering. I have a hard time taking anymore of it seriously with a statement like that.

they already do this.... do you live in a fantasy world?
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« Reply #16 on: July 29, 2009, 12:13:00 PM »

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ifn5cIQggxKMBZdAwWc0ej79EQLgD99NA4VO3

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PORTLAND, Ore. — How much are politicians straining to convince people that the government is stimulating the economy? In Oregon, where lawmakers are spending $176 million to supplement the federal stimulus, Democrats are taking credit for a remarkable feat: creating 3,236 new jobs in the program's first three months.

But those jobs lasted on average only 35 hours, or about one work week. After that, those workers were effectively back unemployed, according to an Associated Press analysis of state spending and hiring data. By the state's accounting, a job is a job, whether it lasts three hours, three days, three months, or a lifetime.

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Tough love for fat people: Tax their food to pay for healthcare
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/booster_shots/2009/07/tough-love-for-fatties-tax-their-food-pay-for-healthcare.html

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CDC Chief: Soda Tax Could Combat Obesity
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/07/27/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry5192172.shtml
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« Reply #17 on: July 29, 2009, 01:09:45 PM »

This isn't reality, this is fear-mongering.

the fucktards in congress are going to pass this without a moments notice. its gonna be reality. welcome to soviet america

Disclaimer: I'm not siding for or against this bill. I've been too fucking busy to read it. What I am against is any interpretation of a bill that is full blown psyco. Whether it be hard left, or right.

I know the bill is real. The lack of reality is in the interpretation. The line I quote is to provide medical services to those who can not physically obtain it them selves. No one is going to march platoons of medical soldiers down the street and assault you with fully automatic syringe launchers. I can't understand how some of you dream these crazy ideas. Are you this scared about everything?

Is the government fucked right now? Yep. Are they going to enslave us with medical care? Hell no.
YOU are the government. There is no THEY.
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« Reply #19 on: July 29, 2009, 01:58:28 PM »

This isn't reality, this is fear-mongering.

the fucktards in congress are going to pass this without a moments notice. its gonna be reality. welcome to soviet america

Disclaimer: I'm not siding for or against this bill. I've been too fucking busy to read it. What I am against is any interpretation of a bill that is full blown psyco. Whether it be hard left, or right.

I know the bill is real. The lack of reality is in the interpretation. The line I quote is to provide medical services to those who can not physically obtain it them selves. No one is going to march platoons of medical soldiers down the street and assault you with fully automatic syringe launchers. I can't understand how some of you dream these crazy ideas. Are you this scared about everything?

Is the government fucked right now? Yep. Are they going to enslave us with medical care? Hell no.
YOU are the government. There is no THEY.

keep your head in the sand.

they already have mandatory vaccinations. and if you don't do it you get a visit from child protection... take your kids, make it so they can't go to school, etc...
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« Reply #20 on: July 29, 2009, 02:15:02 PM »

"The Senate bill's official summary also authorizes "home visits" to "improve immunization coverage." Will Americans tolerate a knock on the door from a government agent demanding that we and our children receive all government-ordered vaccines?"

That's bullshit, out of context, fear-mongering. I have a hard time taking anymore of it seriously with a statement like that.


Sir, google search Gardasil, then come back and tell us its fear-mongering. 
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« Reply #21 on: July 29, 2009, 02:29:13 PM »

Tough love for fat people: Tax their food to pay for healthcare
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/booster_shots/2009/07/tough-love-for-fatties-tax-their-food-pay-for-healthcare.html

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CDC Chief: Soda Tax Could Combat Obesity
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/07/27/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry5192172.shtml

prevenitive care. How thats defined....a 600 calorie meal at mcdonalds will probably have a 20 or 30% tax.

Thanks for proving my point, Johnny.

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« Reply #22 on: July 29, 2009, 02:33:45 PM »

Vaccines are the new communism. I have seen the error in my ways.
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« Reply #23 on: July 29, 2009, 03:19:21 PM »

Communism is the new black. Welcome to the club, boys.
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« Reply #24 on: July 29, 2009, 07:57:33 PM »

YOU are the government. There is no THEY.

lol, you're funny.  :D

This is some bullshit though. I bet it'll pass though.
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« Reply #25 on: August 13, 2009, 02:58:41 PM »

in case yall thought it was over, theres more

cliff notes, only half of the bill FYI

HEALTH CARE BILL with specific page number concerns

Pg 22 of the Health Care Bill MANDATES the Govt will audit books of all employers that  are self- insure.

Pg 30 Sec 123  There will be a committee that decides what treatments/benefits you can get

Pg 29 lines 4-16 specified health care rationed


Pg 42 The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your benefits for you. You will no longer have a choice.

PG 50 health care will be provided to ALL non - US citizens, illegal or otherwise

Pg 58  Government employees will have real-time access to all individuals finances and a National ID Health Card will be issued (this may case more problems with identity theft).

Pg 59 lines 21-24 Government employees will have direct access to your bank accounts  for electronic funds transfer (as specified)

PG 65 Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in Unions & community organizations (such as ACORN).

Pg 72 Lines 8-14 HC Exchange to bring private HC plans under single payer (government) control.

PG 84 Sec 203 mandates ALL benefit packages for private HC plans in the Exchange

PG 85 Line 7 Specific for  Benefit Levels for Plans (could equal rationing)

PG 91 Lines 4-7 mandates linguistic appropriate services

Pg 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18 groups such as ACORN & Americorps will sign up individuals for the Government plan

PG 85 Line 7 Specifics of Benefit Levels for Plans. (rationing)

PG 102 Lines 12-18 All Medicaid eligible individuals will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid.

pg 124 lines 24-25 No company can sue the Government Plan for price fixing. No "judicial review" against the new mandated monopoly.

pg 127 Lines 1-16  Doctors - The Government will tell YOU what you can earn.

Pg 145 Line 15-17 An Employer MUST auto enroll all employees into the public option plan.

Pg 126 Lines 22-25 Employers MUST pay for health care insurance for all part-time employees AND their families.

Pg 149 Lines 16-24 ANY Employer with payroll of $400,000 and up who does not provide the public option will pay an 8% tax on all payroll. (Public Option is the Government Plan)

pg 150 Lines 9-13 Businesses with payroll between $251K and $400K who do not provide the public option will pay between 2-6% tax on all payroll

Pg 167 Lines 18-23 ANY individual who does not purchase an acceptable health insurance  plan (per the Government's list requirements)  will be taxed an additional 2.5% of income

Pg 170 Lines 1-3 all non-resident aliens are exempt from individual taxes.

Pg 195  Officers & employees of the Health Care Administration will have access to ALL American's financial and personal records

PG 203 Line 14-15 "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax" (Yes, it says that)

Pg 239 Line 14-24 lists reduction in physician services for Medicaid (Seniors, low- income)

Pg 241 Line 6-8 Doctors: It doesn't matter what specialty you have, you'll all be paid the same

PG 253 Line 10-18 the Government sets the value of Doctor's time.

PG 265 Sec 1131 the Government mandates and controls productivity for private health insurance industries

PG 268 Sec 1141 Government regulates rental and purchase of power - driven wheelchairs

PG 272 SEC. 1145. TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS (rationing)

Page 280 Sec 1151 The Government will penalize hospitals for what the Government deems unnecessary and preventable readmissions.

Pg 298 Lines 9-11 if a Doctor treats a patient during initial admission that results in a re-admission the Government will penalize you.

Pg 317 L 13-20 PROHIBITION on ownership/investment for doctors

Pg 317-318 lines 21-25,1-3 PROHIBITION on expansion - mandating that hospitals cannot expand

pg 321 2-13 Hospitals have opportunity to apply for exception BUT community input is required. Can you say ACORN?!!

Pg335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339 - mandates establishment of outcome- based measures

Pg 341 Lines 3-9 the Government has authority to disqualify Medicare Plans, HMOs, any private health insurance provider

Pg 354 Sec 1177 - restricting enrollment of Special needs people

Pg 379 Sec 1191 creates a new bureaucracy - the  Telehealth Advisory Committee.

PG 425 Lines 4-12  mandates Advance Care Planning Consultation (end -of- life)

Pg 425 Lines 17-19 it is mandatory that the Government will instruct and consult regarding living wills and durable powers of attorney.

PG 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3 the Government provides approved list of end of life resources, guiding you in death

PG 427 Lines 15-24 mandates programs for orders on end of life.

Pg 429 Lines 1-9 An "advanced care planning consultation" will be used frequently as the patients health deteriorates

PG 429 Lines 10-12 "advanced care consultation" may include an ORDER for end of life plans.

Pg 429 Lines 13-25 - The government will specify which Doctors can write an end of life order.

PG 430 Lines 11-15 The Government will decide what level of treatment you will have at end of life

Pg 469 - Community- Based Home Medical Services. Non -profit organizations such as ACORN

Page 472 Lines 14-17 describes a monthly payment to community - based organizations such as ACORN

PG 489 Sec 1308 The Government will cover (regulate) Marriage & Family therapy.

Pg 494-498 Government will cover (regulate) Mental Health Services including defining, creating, and rationing

cliff cliff notes

Summary of Summary
p.30 Committee will select treatment plan for you.
p.50 Illegals included, but [p.170] non resident aliens are exempt fro health tax
p. 95 Government selected groups will 'sign you up' [I read "Acorn"]
p. 124 No suits
p. 195 Gvt shall have access to all financial and personal info
p. 203 Hlth taxes shall be non-deductible
p. 239 Reduced service for Senors, low income
p. 253 & 298 Decimation of Doctors profession: Gvt sets fees and no premium for specialists
p. 317 Prohibits doctor's investment in medical field and prohibits hospital expansion [w/ unsavory exceptions]
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« Reply #26 on: August 13, 2009, 04:50:34 PM »

one thing that pissed me off is it says all people will get this coverage, but if you are a legal citizen and refuse to be covered you are subject to a tax. but if you are an illegal alien you are exempt from the tax.

PG 50 health care will be provided to ALL non - US citizens, illegal or otherwise

Pg 167 Lines 18-23 ANY individual who does not purchase an acceptable health insurance  plan (per the Government's list requirements)  will be taxed an additional 2.5% of income

Pg 170 Lines 1-3 all non-resident aliens are exempt from individual taxes.
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« Reply #27 on: August 13, 2009, 05:25:42 PM »

WTF!!!!! this can't be for real. can i get a copy of this thing to read. or what?
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« Reply #28 on: August 13, 2009, 05:55:01 PM »

To be honest, I don't understand what all the fuss is about? Admittedly, not being American, I don't have a full picture of what you guys get in the way of state funded health care. It seems to me that unless you have private insurance, you get landed with a big fuck off bill if you go to hospital?

Over here, we have something called the NHS, or National Health Service. It's critically underfunded and seriously overstretched by illegal sandniggers hitching a ride through that fucking tunnel they built to garlic land.

Basically, in exhcnage for NI (National Insurance) payments (roughly equivalent to $80 a month), you get access to a local Doctor (who can also provide home visits), a dentist (which you probably can't visit, because their books are all clogged up with illegal immigrants that can't speak fucking Engrish, but have a legal right to be seen ahead of us cunts that actually pay) and any and all hospital treatment (apart from prescription drugs).

There's also a national vaccination programme in place for most stuff like MMR, Polio, Meningitis, Flu etc for anyone under the age of 16 or over the age of 65.

I can't see how your gubbermints proposed bill is any different to what we currently have and take for granted now, unless it's going to directly cost you more than most people are paying in exchange for private healthcare insurance?
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« Reply #29 on: August 13, 2009, 06:40:27 PM »

To be honest, I don't understand what all the fuss is about? Admittedly, not being American, I don't have a full picture of what you guys get in the way of state funded health care. It seems to me that unless you have private insurance, you get landed with a big fuck off bill if you go to hospital?

Over here, we have something called the NHS, or National Health Service. It's critically underfunded and seriously overstretched by illegal sandniggers hitching a ride through that fucking tunnel they built to garlic land.

Basically, in exhcnage for NI (National Insurance) payments (roughly equivalent to $80 a month), you get access to a local Doctor (who can also provide home visits), a dentist (which you probably can't visit, because their books are all clogged up with illegal immigrants that can't speak fucking Engrish, but have a legal right to be seen ahead of us cunts that actually pay) and any and all hospital treatment (apart from prescription drugs).

There's also a national vaccination programme in place for most stuff like MMR, Polio, Meningitis, Flu etc for anyone under the age of 16 or over the age of 65.

I can't see how your gubbermints proposed bill is any different to what we currently have and take for granted now, unless it's going to directly cost you more than most people are paying in exchange for private healthcare insurance?

you =  :mexi:
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