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[Joseph Davis]

If anyone has links to various coils, COPs, as well as MAF, MAP, or other sensors for use with standalones or in place of factory pieces, link to it and/or provide a synopsis.

Go!

[Joseph Davis]

Ballenger Motorsports stocks individual pins, connectors, etc for various OE connectors.  Here's the Tyco/AMP ones, although there are a lot of others:  http://www.bmotorsports.com/shop/index.php/cPath/109_172

[kgx]

www.onlinecomponents.com usually has ecu connectors in stock. I bought a lot of 10 of them of the female ECU side a year or so ago for ~$35 shipped

www.newark.com sells the mpxh6300 3bar MAP sensors for $10 and change. They also have some AMP/Tyco connectors as well. Digikey is faster, but newark is usually cheaper.
http://www.newark.com/freescale-semiconductor/mpxh6300ac6t1/pressure-sensors-ic/dp/21H2253

i was wrong. they're $8.19ea.


there's the old standby amazon bosch LSU4.2 for $53 shipped:
 http://www.amazon.com/Bosch-17014-Oxygen-Sensor-Fitment/dp/B000BZI4ZW

[Robb]

These are the weird cayenne coil-on-plug units that we were discussing about a year ago Joseph, except this is the new design that wont bust.  I think we needed to get around the self-diagnosis thing that didnt work right?

http://www.racepages.com/parts/ignition_coil/porsche/cayenne.html

$18.95 each thru this company, cheaper if you shop around.

Porsche part #955.602.104.04/05 are the ones you want.

[Joseph Davis]

These are the weird cayenne coil-on-plug units that we were discussing about a year ago Joseph, except this is the new design that wont bust.  I think we needed to get around the self-diagnosis thing that didnt work right?

That can be ignored completely.  The Cayenne COP offers the ECU feedback on dwell/charge so that the ECU can fine tune dwell.  The COP still charges and fires according to the ECU, so it makes no difference.

Here's the .pdf on it from Beru: http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=85eea00c6732b77400d27174b47c6657b52ba68b43adbc0682e3a934329c7a5e

[patsmx5]

EDIS4 w/ COP

I'm running a Ford EDIS4 (electronic distributorless ignition system, four cylinder) ignition system on my 99' miata running MegaSquirt II Extra (MS2E). The ford EDIS4 ignition system uses a 36-1 trigger wheel driven by the crankshaft. The VR sensor reads the wheel and its signal goes to the ford EDIS4 ignition module. The module is the heart of the system. It reads the VR sensor to establish the position of the engine. The module has the igniters built in, and drives a pair of coils in wasted spark configuration. It also adjusts dwell automatically via current limiting, which makes upgrading ignition coils easy. If you aren't running boost, the stock coils will fire a .055" gap plug all day long. But with boost, stock coil pack sucks, so either get a MSD coil pack or switch to COPs.

The ford EDIS4 modules are considered bulletproof, as they've proven to handle high heat from engine compartments, vibration, water, you name it reliably with virtually no reported failures. They're almost impossible to kill and pretty much last forever. They have several fail safe features built into them. For example, if the coil wires short together, the module will shut off the igniters to prevent burning them up. It will also fall to 10* BTDC if it ever looses the timing signal from the ECU. And if your VR sensor goes bad (read, fucker is falling apart), it will still run below 2000 RPMs.

They are simple to wire up too. Three wires go to the coils, two to the VR sensor, two to the ECU, ground, and switched fused +12V.

You do have to mount a 36-1 trigger wheel to the crankshaft and build a bracket to hold the VR sensor next to it. This is the hardest part, but this is why you get 5/32 of a degree spark accuracy. Much better than belt driven shit which can be several crank degrees off.

You can get the entire system off of an old ford 1.9L escort in the junk yard, or a mercury tracer w/ 1.9L. The 1.9L is the only 4 cylinder ford out there with a tubular aluminum intake manifold, so it's hard to miss. I originally bought all the shit from one off of ebay for 50 bucks shipped, but I've since bought it from the local yard, $25 for the entire ignition system, wheel, VR sensor w/ plug, module w/ plug, coil pack, sparkplug wires.

I eventually put a set of COPs on. Bought the connectors w/ wire PICO part number 5713PT http://www.summitracing.com/parts/PCO-5713PT/ from summit @ 4 bucks each and searched for "ford 4.6 coil" on ebay and bought the cheapest NEW set of 8 coilpacks on there, 85 shipped for 8 IIRC. All the coil packs for the 4.6 are made by the same company, in the same place, so "brands" don't matter. I have four extra coils and connectors….

Wired them up using this diagram http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v399/ogip/Edis_forcopnew_series.jpg and they work great.

My wiring harness
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee155/patsmx5/100_0808.jpg

My ghetto trigger wheel setup. Works, but will be redone eventually.
Hub I made….  http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee155/patsmx5/coolshit4.jpg
With wheel pressed on http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee155/patsmx5/triggerwheel.jpg

New VR sensor bracket I made. Simple and works.
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee155/patsmx5/100_0861.jpg

[kgx]

from: http://www.efi101.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4066&highlight=cdi+coils

The following is a list of coils that work well for high output CDI ignition systems. I have used most (not all) with Motec CDI-8 and M&W Pro-14.

Pricing (retail) and availability current as of Sept. 2008

Coil on plug:
2001-2006 Honda CBR 600 F4i Part number – Denso 129700-3881/Honda 30700-MBW-611 $60

BikeBandit number - 171393-001 $50.05
(threaded plug tips only – ie. Denso iridium plugs)

Coil Sub harness Bikebandit 163570-001 $36.42
Uses AMP connectors if making your own harness.



AEM CDI pencil coil 5.65 inch - 30-2850-4PK $250 /4-pack with coil harness connectors ($66.38 each)
AEM CDI pencil coil 6.54 inch – 30-2851-4PK
Do not require threaded plug tips. I have not used these.



Coil near plug:
Mercury Marine Thunderbolt outboard [260/Drag/F1/CHAMP /SST 120] 339-832757A4 $38.22 each (Dealer price <$29 USD)
primary resistance 0.4 Ohm





These are actually designed for a two-stroke magneto ignition for Mercury Marine. Remove magnets and put a generous amount of high temp silicone under magnets. Make sure ground strap is taped in place.
Newest versions are made in China and use Stainless ground strap on magnet in place of brass on earlier USA made coils.

I have used these coils for decades and have never had a cracking problem when silicone was used. When sent to JGM for testing with then new CDI-8, this coil was best of all tested in ~1999/2000 IIRC.

All Mercury parts can be ordered online from BAMM Marine by part number. http://www.mercruiserparts.com/partsByNumber.asp


Plastic mercury coil cover brackets:
single cover – 76254 $4.60 [from Merc 75 ]
dual cover – 997621 $6.50 [from Merc 25XS]
Triple cover – 43542 $20.07 [ from Merc 50/60 3cyl]
Dual reverse facing – NLA
Quad cover - 87554 NLA
Some of these coil covers can be found used at Mercury Marine dealers.



OMC CDI (4 post) 183-3740 $26 each
OMC CDI (2 post) 183-2508 $29 each

Better results in some applications than COP pencil coils - especially high boost alcohol engines.
OMC (Outboard Marine Corporation) is no longer in busines and was purchased by Bombardier. These coils are still available from CDI/Rapair at prices above.

http://cdielectronics.com/Portals/0/Catalog/Johnson%20Evinrude%20Ignition%20Products.pdf
See CDI Electronics dealers for ordering.


Lance/Pantera EFI/BMEP/034EFI IGN-1-CD
Mercury/Mototron style
IGN-1 = Mercury PN - 0506 2638 850227
I have not used/tested this coil.


I have had excellent results using Magnacore plug wires. These are available in 8.8mm and 10mm sheath sizes - there is no difference in cores. Make sure coil and plug ends are correct. The MSD wires work well, but tend not to live nearly as long as Magnacore wires.


Honda CBR900 (1999) sparkplug cap assembly bikebandit 171387-001 $24.76

Honda CBR 600 F3 (1996) plug cap and wire assembly (4 wire lengths) Bikebandit
6. CAP 1, IGNITION 171562-001 $42.73

7: CAP 2, IGNITION 171604-001 $52.09

8: CAP 3, IGNITION 171641-001 $42.73

9: CAP 4, IGNITION 171680-001 $52.09



I hope this helps with use, pricing, and availability.

[Joseph Davis]

For commonplace use, looks like the Cayenne COPs reign supreme as they are cheap and don't need an ignitor or CDI box to work.   I've read a lot of glowing praise for CDI boxes + motorcycle coils in the past couple days.

Between economy and winter coming soon, motorcycle parts are being given away on eBay.  I think I'll stock up now for future projects.

[kgx]

For real. I have a set of cbr coils I paid $7 shipped for sitting in the garage.

The k-series coils aren't terribly expensive but I don't know offhand if they control dwell or not. They do have built-in igniters.

Most of the toyota coil sticks have a smart igniter built-in.

Delphi makes some coils with ion-sense output as well. They're used on 00 isuzu troopers and rodeos. I really want to find a way to make use of that....

[Joseph Davis]

The k-series coils aren't terribly expensive but I don't know offhand if they control dwell or not. They do have built-in igniters.

Garbage.  I'd rather have a distributor architecture Honda with a $50 MSD Blaster coil and no ignition amplifier box.

BTW, I'm pretty damn sure you've seen some of the DIY CDI circuits, do you know anyone who's played with one?  If they don't totally suck it'd be nice to design a DIY CDI board and sling them.

[patsmx5]

The k-series coils aren't terribly expensive but I don't know offhand if they control dwell or not. They do have built-in igniters.

Garbage.  I'd rather have a distributor architecture Honda with a $50 MSD Blaster coil and no ignition amplifier box.

BTW, I'm pretty damn sure you've seen some of the DIY CDI circuits, do you know anyone who's played with one?  If they don't totally suck it'd be nice to design a DIY CDI board and sling them.

Find one that works (comercially available one, DIY one, whatever), reverse engineer it.

[92CXyD]

The k-series coils aren't terribly expensive but I don't know offhand if they control dwell or not. They do have built-in igniters.

Garbage.  I'd rather have a distributor architecture Honda with a $50 MSD Blaster coil and no ignition amplifier box.

BTW, I'm pretty damn sure you've seen some of the DIY CDI circuits, do you know anyone who's played with one?  If they don't totally suck it'd be nice to design a DIY CDI board and sling them.

Got a Crane Cam 6-hi with a timing retard w/ input from a map, rev limiter adj. on the box. I even have a cockpit mounted timing retard adj. knob for this box. All your if you want to do some reverse engineering.

Just pm me.

[kgx]

BTW, I'm pretty damn sure you've seen some of the DIY CDI circuits, do you know anyone who's played with one?  If they don't totally suck it'd be nice to design a DIY CDI board and sling them.

don't know anyone who's played with them, but i do have the schematics for the MSD6A and the silicon chip multispark CDI somewhere. when i find them i'll host em and post em. probably don't want to mimic the 6A too closely, but it gives a good idea of how MSD did what they did.

edit: here's the silicon chip PDF

www.apexology.com/files/schematics/siliconchipCDI.pdf

should be pretty easy to increase the energy on this one. good discussion of it here: http://forums.pelicanparts.com/showthread.php?t=353053 including superceded parts numbers and possible modifications.

more discussion of it here: http://autos.dir.groups.yahoo.com/group/DIY-CDI/?v=1&t=directory&ch=web&pub=groups&sec=dir&slk=29

here's the MSD6A:
http://www.dainst.com/info/circuits/msd6a_02.pdf

[Joseph Davis]

I've not seen the Pelican thread before, and while the MSD 6Fail schematic is good to look at I can't recommend enough that n00bs not to pay it close attention because those things suck.  Good stuff, all the same

[SloS13]

Not sure if it's any help but here's a few MAP sensor candidates
http://www.mouser.com/Search/Refine.aspx?Keyword=pressure+sensor