Topic: steelie drag wheels (Read 8800 times)

yamaha6611 · « **on:** October 22, 2009, 02:44:52 AM »

well a guy i know tells me he can make me a set of 13X8 steelie drag wheel, says theyre diamond cut or something, for $100 a piece

i figure, itll be a lot cheaper

considering that ill be dealing with wheel spin, would it help if the wheel was heavier to keep them planted? on the reverse side, axles will probably take a significantly greater beating.. im not sure really, never ran sticky tires, what do you think??

88dx · « **Reply #1 on:** October 22, 2009, 02:46:41 AM »

http://www.diamondracingwheels.com/

Joseph Davis · « **Reply #2 on:** October 22, 2009, 07:02:28 AM »

You can usually pick up a set of used in great shape Diamond 13X8's for $150.

j.h.christ · « **Reply #3 on:** October 22, 2009, 07:12:52 AM »

Quote from: yamaha6611 on October 22, 2009, 02:44:52 AM

considering that ill be dealing with wheel spin, would it help if the wheel was heavier to keep them planted?

read what you just wrote and then smack yourself

Joseph Davis · « **Reply #4 on:** October 22, 2009, 07:23:36 AM »

Quote from: j.h.christ on October 22, 2009, 07:12:52 AM

Quote from: yamaha6611 on October 22, 2009, 02:44:52 AM

considering that ill be dealing with wheel spin, would it help if the wheel was heavier to keep them planted?

read what you just wrote and then smack yourself

Revisit this thread and then smack the useless faggot yourself.

http://www.realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/index.php?topic=5060

j.h.christ · « **Reply #5 on:** October 22, 2009, 07:35:08 AM »

i'd rather watch him start the process of apoptosis.

salesmonkey · « **Reply #6 on:** October 27, 2009, 09:17:22 PM »

Quote from: j.h.christ on October 22, 2009, 07:12:52 AM

Quote from: yamaha6611 on October 22, 2009, 02:44:52 AM

considering that ill be dealing with wheel spin, would it help if the wheel was heavier to keep them planted?

read what you just wrote and then smack yourself

all the local guys are running around with lead wieghts in there wheels to eliminate wheel spin. shits rediculous how well it works. 5-10lbs inside each tire is what the majority run.

Joseph Davis · « **Reply #7 on:** October 27, 2009, 09:18:25 PM »

And the entire car is noticeably slower.

j.h.christ · « **Reply #8 on:** October 27, 2009, 09:42:37 PM »

i just jb weld free weights to my axles, shit is so cash

Ravage70 · « **Reply #9 on:** October 27, 2009, 10:03:45 PM »

money

yamaha6611 · « **Reply #10 on:** October 27, 2009, 10:28:13 PM »

im guessing that was a bad theory?? lol, heavier wheel onto the ground = less tire spin??

salesmonkey · « **Reply #11 on:** October 27, 2009, 11:07:51 PM »

Quote from: yamaha6611 on October 27, 2009, 10:28:13 PM

im guessing that was a bad theory?? lol, heavier wheel onto the ground = less tire spin??

in theory yes, thats why you never see it people wont admit it, but shit works great. seen a few with the axel set up as well. suppose to be better for balance in the tranny. not sure about that though.

onlyflash944 · « **Reply #12 on:** October 28, 2009, 12:13:11 AM »

Quote from: Joseph Davis on October 22, 2009, 07:02:28 AM

You can usually pick up a set of used in great shape Diamond 13X8's for $150.

aren't new ones from diamond about $75 a piece? i check their clearance tab weekly, but never find ones with the correct bolt pattern/backspacing together

a guy sold a set of 4 for 100 bones used and i didn't have the cash to jump on it. faggot wouldn't take trades either

yamaha6611 · « **Reply #13 on:** October 28, 2009, 12:17:45 AM »

okay im looking for an honest answer here.. yea people buy drag lights cause the lighter the wheel, the faster youll be able to move its just like a flywheel i know, but im not looking for 100% max performance, better traction with less power is going to win over more power with less traction....

so will or will it not, lighter wheels spin easier???

edit: okay i just read urban indians title in FI, and this is NO rip on him in the slightest way, but:

my buddys stock internal gsr civic hatch, 450whp runs an 11.3 at the track. you dont need 700whp to hit numbers like that, i can almost guarentee that hes spinning all the way down the track, and actually with his same setup and mabye 150 less whp with a smaller turbo he would run better numbers, power isnt everything.

onlyflash944 · « **Reply #14 on:** October 28, 2009, 01:12:18 AM »

i don't know from personal experience or testing, but my take on the subject is that heavier wheels/tires will increase the unsprung weight. this is always bad for anything fast (drag, road race, hell even fuel economy). the extra inertia off the line should make it harder to spin, thus possibly decreasing wheelspin, but i don't think there is any way, especially in the 1/4 that the added bit of traction makes up for the losses in the drive line due to extra weight. its like you don't even really increase traction, you just decrease whp and thus don't spin as much

power isn't everything, but you can't avoid the laws of physics

salesmonkey · « **Reply #15 on:** October 28, 2009, 02:12:59 AM »

Quote from: yamaha6611 on October 28, 2009, 12:17:45 AM

okay im looking for an honest answer here.. yea people buy drag lights cause the lighter the wheel, the faster youll be able to move its just like a flywheel i know, but im not looking for 100% max performance, better traction with less power is going to win over more power with less traction....

so will or will it not, lighter wheels spin easier???

edit: okay i just read urban indians title in FI, and this is NO rip on him in the slightest way, but:

my buddys stock internal gsr civic hatch, 450whp runs an 11.3 at the track. you dont need 700whp to hit numbers like that, i can almost guarentee that hes spinning all the way down the track, and actually with his same setup and mabye 150 less whp with a smaller turbo he would run better numbers, power isnt everything.

a lot of poeple stick with stock flywheels becuase of the theory it helps spool up. dont listen to n/a mike. he eats hot dogs out of a trash can its fucking with his mind. go against the grain with this one and try something new.

keelay · « **Reply #16 on:** October 28, 2009, 02:38:30 AM »

wouldn't a noticeably heavier wheel act like a heavier flywheel, just with a wheel and tire? I mean, I can see how it would help initially, but if you did overcome the traction and get it spinning, wouldn't it act like a heavier flywheel and have a tendency to keep spinning? therefore spinning more?
and when you consider that most people on here are running turbo 4cyl cars, that hurts. take a 600hp and 400lbft car and throw on a set of wheels that weigh 40lbs more, you're still gonna feel that increase in rotational weight. What you would gain in the 60, would be negated and just kill the top end. I mean your already running drags at what, about 10psi, then you throw on some dub weight rims you have a combination that does not like high speeds or high speed acceleration. The ONLY way i could see this being beneficial is if you never broke traction, and you were doing a short (1/8 or less) run.
just my $.02

j.h.christ · « **Reply #17 on:** October 28, 2009, 03:20:39 AM »

this is a vwvortex thread

yamaha6611 · « **Reply #18 on:** October 28, 2009, 06:57:00 AM »

yea i can see where you coming from on this one... i just figured that with 350whp and 2400lbs that the best bet would be to find the best traction, not power. ill look around for some lights first, if not, ill try out the steelies.

salesmonkey · « **Reply #19 on:** October 28, 2009, 09:26:02 AM »

Quote from: keelay on October 28, 2009, 02:38:30 AM

wouldn't a noticeably heavier wheel act like a heavier flywheel, just with a wheel and tire? I mean, I can see how it would help initially, but if you did overcome the traction and get it spinning, wouldn't it act like a heavier flywheel and have a tendency to keep spinning? therefore spinning more?
and when you consider that most people on here are running turbo 4cyl cars, that hurts. take a 600hp and 400lbft car and throw on a set of wheels that weigh 40lbs more, you're still gonna feel that increase in rotational weight. What you would gain in the 60, would be negated and just kill the top end. I mean your already running drags at what, about 10psi, then you throw on some dub weight rims you have a combination that does not like high speeds or high speed acceleration. The ONLY way i could see this being beneficial is if you never broke traction, and you were doing a short (1/8 or less) run.
just my $.02

we are not talking about dubs, we are talking about stealies with lead wieght haded to the tires/drive system. your theory is just idiotic. if anything it would help. the traction it earns from the wieght also helps during shifts because of the momentom its already got and is harder to spin the tires, because its more of a smooth transition.

salesmonkey · « **Reply #20 on:** October 28, 2009, 09:33:48 AM »

oh and i forgot about the guy i seen run with sand inside his tire. now that was crazy(probably becuase it self balances itself/alignement?) someone should do some physics on that.
he had before and after times only change between the two was adding sand to the tires. was a average of a half a second faster with 5 runs for each. ill try to find his write up if i can.

patsmx5 · « **Reply #21 on:** October 28, 2009, 10:23:20 AM »

I filled my tires with water. Keeps the rear tires from spinning and the front tires keep the front from wheelies.

j.h.christ · « **Reply #22 on:** October 28, 2009, 10:29:25 AM »

i use concrete and aborted fetuses

malichite · « **Reply #23 on:** October 28, 2009, 11:54:03 AM »

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PhilStubbs · « **Reply #24 on:** October 28, 2009, 05:34:07 PM »

Quote from: salesmonkey on October 28, 2009, 02:12:59 AM

a lot of poeple stick with stock flywheels becuase of the theory it helps spool up. dont listen to n/a mike. he eats hot dogs out of a trash can its fucking with his mind. go against the grain with this one and try something new.

people use stock flywheels to fight bogging. there is a little bigger rpm window to launch with a stock flywheel over a lightened one.

salesmonkey · « **Reply #25 on:** October 29, 2009, 07:34:48 AM »

Quote from: SecksyPeePee on October 28, 2009, 05:34:07 PM

Quote from: salesmonkey on October 28, 2009, 02:12:59 AM
a lot of poeple stick with stock flywheels becuase of the theory it helps spool up. dont listen to n/a mike. he eats hot dogs out of a trash can its fucking with his mind. go against the grain with this one and try something new.

people use stock flywheels to fight bogging. there is a little bigger rpm window to launch with a stock flywheel over a lightened one.

ya thats what i meant, thanks sir, i had both before on a b16 with the shitty tq. launching was difficult enough without spinning or bogging. that and the unsprung clutch i got a discount on probably wasnt the best for launching lol

rudebwoy · « **Reply #26 on:** October 29, 2009, 08:25:13 AM »

well I use nails in my tires to keep them planted, cheapest method.

salesmonkey · « **Reply #27 on:** October 29, 2009, 02:21:25 PM »

Quote from: rudebwoy on October 29, 2009, 08:25:13 AM

well I use nails in my tires to keep them planted, cheapest method.

if installed right with tire sealant this works wonders in the winter time. use to do this to my bald tires as a cheap winter tire. would tell the local beaner tire repair place it was a sience project

rudebwoy · « **Reply #28 on:** October 29, 2009, 02:45:54 PM »

I sometimes use snow chains on my slicks.

salesmonkey · « **Reply #29 on:** October 29, 2009, 09:53:03 PM »

Quote from: rudebwoy on October 29, 2009, 02:45:54 PM

I sometimes use snow chains on my slicks.

haha nice one. drag racing much in the winter? lol

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