Print

Please login or register.
1 Hour 1 Day 1 Week 1 Month Forever
Login with username, password and session length

[QikEnuF]

http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=38756

Back.

[QikEnuF]

Thanks

[colt45]

hate to break it to you, but buell suck asshole.  they use harley motors.  i should'nt have to illustrate my point further...


and to "banned-complex'  nice post, very nice.

[QikEnuF]

Unfortunately, HD wouldn't let Erik cut ties completely

[dvst8r]

I went on a test ride at Richmond Motorsports, in 2001, that was lead by Erik Buell. Guy is nuts on a bike.

[QikEnuF]

I went on a test ride at Richmond Motorsports, in 2001, that was lead by Erik Buell. Guy is nuts on a bike.

He went from a racer to Johnny's favorite corporate slave and has now come almost full circle.  Hope he does well, and eventually gets completely away from HD.  But then Johnny will hate him.

[bryantaylor]

hate to break it to you, but buell suck asshole.  they use harley motors. 

except the 1125r, that's a bad ass bike

[klyph]

And Harley uses Porsche engines...

[junkyard racer]

oh dear god. here we go again

[Robb]

And Harley uses Porsche engines...

No, Harley couldnt get the V-rod motors to last, so they hired Porsche Engineering firm to redesign it.  They dont make the engines, otherwise you would technically have a VW motor on the vrod wouldnt you? 

[Whitey]

Buell's are the best bikes ever:

[rsmith2786]

hate to break it to you, but buell suck asshole.  they use harley motors.  i should'nt have to illustrate my point further...


and to "banned-complex'  nice post, very nice.

No.  If you read the link they are only continuing the 1125R.  That engine is made by rotax and purchased as a complete unit.  Nothing to do with harley.

No, Harley couldnt get the V-rod motors to last, so they hired Porsche Engineering firm to redesign it.  They dont make the engines, otherwise you would technically have a VW motor on the vrod wouldnt you? 

Not true either.  Harley had some basic guidelines for porsche and left the rest up to them.  Basically a v-twin that still sounded and felt like a harley.  Porsche was 100% responsible for the drivetrain.

I'm not a big Buell fan at all but i got to know a bit about them.  I worked for Mercury Marine for a while and they had recently hired Klaus Fouss to lead their 4-stroke development.  While Klaus was at Porsche he was the project manager for the v-rod project before coming to Mercury.  He was also my boss while I was in the base engine department and I worked with him daily.  He did eventually return to Porsche but I had left before then.

[Robb]

No, Harley couldnt get the V-rod motors to last, so they hired Porsche Engineering firm to redesign it.  They dont make the engines, otherwise you would technically have a VW motor on the vrod wouldnt you? 

Not true either.  Harley had some basic guidelines for porsche and left the rest up to them.  Basically a v-twin that still sounded and felt like a harley.  Porsche was 100% responsible for the drivetrain.

I'm not a big Buell fan at all but i got to know a bit about them.  I worked for Mercury Marine for a while and they had recently hired Klaus Fouss to lead their 4-stroke development.  While Klaus was at Porsche he was the project manager for the v-rod project before coming to Mercury.  He was also my boss while I was in the base engine department and I worked with him daily.  He did eventually return to Porsche but I had left before then.

Um not to be an ass, but how is what you said any different than what I said? 

Did Harley not let porsche re-design it?  Of course they had basic guidelines.  As any company hiring an outside firm would have. What point are you trying to make with that?

I dont see exactly how my statement was untrue, and yours was, since they were more or less the same thing? Enlighten me.

[rsmith2786]

A redesign would start with..................a previous design.

They started from the ground up and i doubt there is a single interchangeable part between it and the air-cooled engines.

That's like saying a k series is a redesigned d series.  Actually in my opinion that comparison would even be more correct.  But i guess i see what you meant.  Nothing to argue about.

[Robb]

A redesign would start with..................a previous design.

They started from the ground up and i doubt there is a single interchangeable part between it and the air-cooled engines.

That's like saying a k series is a redesigned d series.  Actually in my opinion that comparison would even be more correct.  But i guess i see what you meant.  Nothing to argue about.

I was under the impression that Harley had first attempted to make the engine themselves, realized their "first" design for the vrod engine was not going to meet their needs, and then brought in porsche to improve it. I should have made myself more clear, I know it isnt remotely like the "old" aircooled motors and has nothing to do with them.  I was referencing their initial prototype designs.

I excel at knowing how something works in my head, and assuming everyone else is on the same page.  

[QikEnuF]

A redesign would start with..................a previous design.

They started from the ground up and i doubt there is a single interchangeable part between it and the air-cooled engines.

That's like saying a k series is a redesigned d series.  Actually in my opinion that comparison would even be more correct.  But i guess i see what you meant.  Nothing to argue about.

I was under the impression that Harley had first attempted to make the engine themselves, realized their "first" design for the vrod engine was not going to meet their needs, and then brought in porsche to improve it. I should have made myself more clear, I know it isnt remotely like the "old" aircooled motors and has nothing to do with them.  I was referencing their initial prototype designs.

I excel at knowing how something works in my head, and assuming everyone else is on the same page.  

  I understood... 

[rsmith2786]

Roger, Roger.

[rsmith2786]

P.S. These bikes were going for dirty cheap right after they announced the close.  My friend bought a brand new 1125R for $6k.

[QikEnuF]

P.S. These bikes were going for dirty cheap right after they announced the close.  My friend bought a brand new 1125R for $6k.

I know where a 0 mileage one is sitting for $4,750.....  It'd be tempting were I not planning on rolling a new ZX6R or ZX10R next season...

[Adam Lofton]

I saw "Buell" in the title, then "racing" in the article and I almost spilled my beer laughing.

[88dx]

Buell is still dead, HD wont give up the name but is letting erick do his own race program/support no street bikes race only.

[rsmith2786]

P.S. These bikes were going for dirty cheap right after they announced the close.  My friend bought a brand new 1125R for $6k.

I know where a 0 mileage one is sitting for $4,750.....  It'd be tempting were I not planning on rolling a new ZX6R or ZX10R next season...

PM me some details.  I might be interested.  They pay almost $2000 just for the engine from Rotax.  It's a pretty good deal.

[88dx]

 

[QikEnuF]

I'm buying a nice Vtwin sportbike soon

[Adam Lofton]

I'm buying a nice Vtwin sport-cruiser soon

Edited for accuracy.

[QikEnuF]

I'm buying a nice Vtwin sport-cruiser soon

Edited for accuracy.

Didn't know a track 916 was a sport cruiser?    I'll post pics up next week

[junkyard racer]

anyone else see how cheesy erickbuellracing.com is? They unleashed that article with the website still under the extreme building stage. nothing worse than going to a website that doesnt work.

[QikEnuF]

anyone else see how cheesy erickbuellracing.com is? They unleashed that article with the website still under the extreme building stage. nothing worse than going to a website that doesnt work.

Let them get it finished first.  It will be interesting to see if DMG let's them continue to race though, since they are no longer production based bikes..

[Jorsher]

I worked for Mercury Marine for a while

In Fond Du Lac by any chance?

Last time I was in WI they were talking about closing the Merc Marine operations there and moving them to...somewhere in the west/midwest, I forget.

[Joseph Davis]

rsmith2786... the K-series is very very much a redesigned D-series.  I can plot two different courses of evolution from the D-series that joined back together for the K-series.  Designing an alien motor with no common (identical) design elements is a recipe for disaster.