Topic: mahle gold series pistons h22 (Read 15832 times)

mycarslow · « **on:** December 25, 2009, 01:53:09 AM »

has anyone ever ran tem in a h22 ? i have looked on hondatech but thats all he said she said bullshit no real deal shit.

sewell94 · « **Reply #1 on:** December 25, 2009, 01:58:12 AM »

I have in numerous cars, they've worked well for me. Made over 550hp on 2 of them.

mycarslow · « **Reply #2 on:** December 25, 2009, 02:10:41 AM »

im looking for a simi fast civic, but on the same hand dont want to have to resleve the block ad found out about them. something like a set i found on ebay, Mahle Gold Series Pistons Brian Crower Rods for 899

Ravage70 · « **Reply #3 on:** December 25, 2009, 03:00:18 AM »

resleeve or pay for pistons twice

bigdaddyvtec · « **Reply #4 on:** December 25, 2009, 03:08:46 AM »

Fuck Mahles... But IF YOURE GOING to run them find someone who is familliar with doing machinework on porsches. They will be more familliar with the process on FRM sleeves... maintain adequate piston to wall... Im not a fan.

I vote sleeves and real pistons..... If I thought they were the way to go, id have them in my car.

Phate · « **Reply #5 on:** December 25, 2009, 03:55:07 AM »

I vote F22 bottom end. If you really wanted, you could run the H22 crank and rods in it, and put the F22 crank and rods into the H block, and sell that off as a stroker motor to some allmotor guys.

turbohf · « **Reply #6 on:** December 25, 2009, 04:09:52 AM »

i know someone that ran them... pretty sure it ended up throwing a rod...

whats this mean? fuckin nothing...

bigdaddyvtec · « **Reply #7 on:** December 25, 2009, 04:12:53 AM »

Quote from: Phate on December 25, 2009, 03:55:07 AM

I vote F22 bottom end. If you really wanted, you could run the H22 crank and rods in it, and put the F22 crank and rods into the H block, and sell that off as a stroker motor to some allmotor guys.

If youre going to do that..

http://honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2546957

sewell94 · « **Reply #8 on:** December 25, 2009, 12:19:34 PM »

I like the F22 bottom end with the dsm pistons, I tuned Erics(Bouncingoffthetherevlimiters) and was very impressed with it. Hes got some issues to sort out, but when he does it'll be a beast.

Like said above the P/W is the key for the Mahles to work properly.

bouncinofftherevlimiter · « **Reply #9 on:** December 25, 2009, 01:17:34 PM »

Your damn right it has issues... I'd try to get some of them ironed out if I had time to work on the fucker, but my job restricts that to minimal amounts..

Hopefully things come together this spring and the new re-incarnation will hopefully not be a dumb slut..

My motor is the fucking king of frankenstien motors..
It's a f22b2 block and crank, p13 h22 rods, wiseco evo 8 stroker pistons, and f20b head. I like it. Any questions on it pm me, I'll give you my paypal and when funds are added I'll talk..

J/k, don't be afraid to hit me up if you have questions.

Merry Christmas everyone...

bouncinofftherevlimiter · « **Reply #10 on:** December 25, 2009, 01:39:32 PM »

IIRC, the mahles are forged, they just have some special coating correct? That would explain the p/w being so crucial. The people who had failure are the ones that knocked the coating off and they galled..

Not sure why I made a new reply and didn't edit mine.. Ahh, fuck it..

mycarslow · « **Reply #11 on:** December 25, 2009, 02:07:56 PM »

every thing that i seen on hondtech is old shit for late 2005 saying that the the fitmeant was a issue they had fitting the rods alone with the wrist pins ont fitting the rods. I am still reading about this and looking into every thing and i wont being doing much right away, i need to pay off my dui

sewell94 · « **Reply #12 on:** December 25, 2009, 02:14:15 PM »

Quote from: mycarslow on December 25, 2009, 02:07:56 PM

every thing that i seen on hondtech is old shit for late 2005 saying that the the fitmeant was a issue they had fitting the rods alone with the wrist pins ont fitting the rods. I am still reading about this and looking into every thing and i wont being doing much right away, i need to pay off my dui

I didnt have an issue with this, i've used them with stock and aftermarket rods w/o issue. It was probably a first batch inspection issue.

mycarslow · « **Reply #13 on:** December 25, 2009, 02:42:31 PM »

Quote from: bigdaddyvtec on December 25, 2009, 03:08:46 AM

Fuck Mahles... But IF YOURE GOING to run them find someone who is familliar with doing machinework on porsches. They will be more familliar with the process on FRM sleeves... maintain adequate piston to wall... Im not a fan.

I vote sleeves and real pistons..... If I thought they were the way to go, id have them in my car.

your a fucking baller bigdaddy nohomo but i have that kinda cash i wasnt like oh low 11s high 10s in my ek hatch. so im thinking 450hp to 525 should get me there if i hook.

bigdaddyvtec · « **Reply #14 on:** December 25, 2009, 02:46:29 PM »

Seriously bro stay away frm the mahles go the G series route with the DSM pistons.....

mycarslow · « **Reply #15 on:** December 25, 2009, 04:18:02 PM »

yeah im thinking that way would be good also ... i need to talk to jeerbear and see how his shits going/ catch up. i was reading the whole 29 pages on hondatech and seems to be mostly good for the cost tho so im kinda iffy yet.

bouncinofftherevlimiter · « **Reply #16 on:** December 25, 2009, 05:10:31 PM »

I'm telling you, it's killer for the price, I have less into my clusterfuck hybrid then most vitara builds.. And it will tolerate alot more...

So glad I built it, i'm very happy with the results. That set up will be more than enough for your goal. I'm going with yet a larger turbo and maybe a little alky and see where it takes me in the spring...

mycarslow · « **Reply #17 on:** December 25, 2009, 05:30:20 PM »

could you pm me a list of your clusterfuck hybrid as you call it sir .

jarebear667 · « **Reply #18 on:** December 25, 2009, 06:39:08 PM »

go to his build thread its very detailed. mine would be assembled but i cant get my hands on a h22 55mm main crankshaft after i got fucked on mine. go with a f22, the f23 is just a little gayer. i guess i could buy stroker pistons but i dont want to be on stock rods. the f23 crank is just way different then all of the others.

mycarslow · « **Reply #19 on:** December 25, 2009, 08:22:26 PM »

found a f22b that i might pick up. i could use the h22 rods i have and the 4g63 pistons like he did but i see he use a f head. home much dif are the f and h heads?

sewell94 · « **Reply #20 on:** December 25, 2009, 09:59:19 PM »

Quote from: jarebear667 on December 25, 2009, 06:39:08 PM

go to his build thread its very detailed. mine would be assembled but i cant get my hands on a h22 55mm main crankshaft after i got fucked on mine. go with a f22, the f23 is just a little gayer. i guess i could buy stroker pistons but i dont want to be on stock rods. the f23 crank is just way different then all of the others.

I'm pretty sure i have a good H22a4 55mm main crank at my shop, i can check when i get back in town.

mycarslow · « **Reply #21 on:** December 25, 2009, 10:08:50 PM »

what size the crank in a h22a ? thats what i have now

mycarslow · « **Reply #22 on:** December 25, 2009, 10:27:21 PM »

im not sure can you tell by the code on it or do i have to pull it all apart? sorry for all the noob sounding q's.

98vtec · « **Reply #23 on:** December 25, 2009, 10:57:41 PM »

sewell:

How many miles have been put on these mahle h22 builds you have done?

Phate · « **Reply #24 on:** December 26, 2009, 01:03:14 AM »

Quote from: mycarslow on December 25, 2009, 10:08:50 PM

what size the crank in a h22a ? thats what i have now

If it's an H22A1, its a 50mm mains crank, if its an H22A4 it has 55mm mains.

98vtec · « **Reply #25 on:** December 26, 2009, 02:20:47 AM »

Quote from: Phate on December 26, 2009, 01:03:14 AM

Quote from: mycarslow on December 25, 2009, 10:08:50 PM
what size the crank in a h22a ? thats what i have now

If it's an H22A1, its a 50mm mains crank, if its an H22A4 it has 55mm mains.

the 97 a4 has 50mm mains. some of the early 98's had 50mm as well.

sewell94 · « **Reply #26 on:** December 26, 2009, 03:06:51 AM »

Quote from: 98vtec on December 25, 2009, 10:57:41 PM

sewell:

How many miles have been put on these mahle h22 builds you have done?

one had almost 30k(was between 25-30k, i dont recall exactly) when my shop bitch pulled a 1-2-3-2, spun a main/rod, pistons looked decent, it was all HARD miles, i drove it for about 3k miles knocking. I did another shortblock for that setup, (circa 2007) sold the car, it got sold 2 more times, and i have since lost track of it. i've done a few others but have no idea what kinda miles they have.

98vtec · « **Reply #27 on:** December 26, 2009, 03:50:05 AM »

Quote from: sewell94 on December 26, 2009, 03:06:51 AM

Quote from: 98vtec on December 25, 2009, 10:57:41 PM
sewell:

How many miles have been put on these mahle h22 builds you have done?

one had almost 30k(was between 25-30k, i dont recall exactly) when my shop bitch pulled a 1-2-3-2, spun a main/rod, pistons looked decent, it was all HARD miles, i drove it for about 3k miles knocking. I did another shortblock for that setup, (circa 2007) sold the car, it got sold 2 more times, and i have since lost track of it. i've done a few others but have no idea what kinda miles they have.

yea. I have heard too many times of this 30k limit nigger shit then the pistons fail and just trying to come up with hard evidence of people who have done it correctly. I was doing some research on SAE papers earlier today about FRM and forged alloy-silicon pistons and that technology has been written about since the 60s and 70s. I just find it hard to believe that when the block machining is done correctly that people still have problems with them eating the walls up. FRM cylinder walls have great material properties based on strength and their ability to transfer heat which makes them great candidates for racing applications. I'm really surprised mahle is the only company that has made or at least advertised a FRM compatible piston.

widebody93 · « **Reply #28 on:** December 26, 2009, 07:15:01 AM »

L.A. performer sleeves and ROSS pistons.........Call it a day

jarebear667 · « **Reply #29 on:** December 26, 2009, 11:38:05 AM »

you have an h22 head. keep it sell the bottom end or keep it. (to blow or use or sell) pick up a f22. it would be sweet to have the extra stroke on stock rods. but power limited but not really.
the h22 head just has to have a drain blocked off.

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