Topic: Magazine rates widebands: I think they are lying (Read 11996 times)

TTC · « **on:** December 29, 2009, 11:13:02 AM »

Some mag rated some widebands, and I refuse to belive their findings. For one I don't think the plx is as innacurate as they say. What you make of these results.

92CXyD · « **Reply #1 on:** December 29, 2009, 11:20:51 AM »

How did they test them?

What was testing parameters?

Link to this article, please ;D

TTC · « **Reply #2 on:** December 29, 2009, 11:43:58 AM »

I wish i had it.

Foowee · « **Reply #3 on:** December 29, 2009, 11:47:08 AM »

Magazine test results usually coincide with the number of advertisements in said mag for the items being tested...

Joseph Davis · « **Reply #4 on:** December 29, 2009, 11:59:13 AM »

Bingo.

I've yet to see an AEM gauge I'd trust.

TTC · « **Reply #5 on:** December 29, 2009, 12:14:20 PM »

Quote from: Foowee on December 29, 2009, 11:47:08 AM

Magazine test results usually coincide with the number of advertisements in said mag for the items being tested...

Yup.

Eville140 · « **Reply #6 on:** December 29, 2009, 01:29:10 PM »

They still make magazines?

ironcrx · « **Reply #7 on:** December 29, 2009, 02:12:16 PM »

Quote from: Eville140 on December 29, 2009, 01:29:10 PM

They still make magazines?

People still dont know how to use computers. So yea. Its quite sad really

Im not buying those test results

Corey · « **Reply #8 on:** December 29, 2009, 02:17:22 PM »

i love how the ntk afx, which should be ngk afx is rated at the bottom, when that is probably the best wideband they tested. they must have refused advertising in that mag.

90dx · « **Reply #9 on:** December 29, 2009, 02:42:21 PM »

Lol ya the AEM wideband is great

brine04 · « **Reply #10 on:** December 29, 2009, 03:02:16 PM »

Quote from: 90dx on December 29, 2009, 02:42:21 PM

Lol ya the AEM wideband is great

it's amazing how many people think they are. I know some people prototyping superchargers on sleds and they use the AEM.

Passenger · « **Reply #11 on:** December 29, 2009, 03:43:34 PM »

I've found the innovate products to be pretty solid.

TheMadScientist · « **Reply #12 on:** December 29, 2009, 03:49:42 PM »

I have the full zeitronix setup in my evo and the plx m-300 in the civic both are great. The zeitronix is by far the best wideband setup I've ever seen/used it's awesome. Expensive but awesome. However it doesn't look like they got the LCD display with their zeitronix setup. I'm curious how they determined the accuracy of the widebands as well.

bouncinofftherevlimiter · « **Reply #13 on:** December 29, 2009, 04:43:03 PM »

Quote from: Corey on December 29, 2009, 02:17:22 PM

i love how the ntk afx, which should be ngk afx is rated at the bottom, when that is probably the best wideband they tested. they must have refused advertising in that mag.

The only downfall I have found with my ngk afx is that the range is narrower than most widebands, 9-16 I beleive, but honestly I don't give a shit about the ranges outside that...

I remember reading reviews about it and that was one of the complaints, which I don't know why anyone would want to be richer than 9s, although I might be able to see leaner than 16 for milage tuning.

bryantaylor · « **Reply #14 on:** December 29, 2009, 06:38:56 PM »

what is so bad about the AEM? thats what i am currently running.

turbob16hatch · « **Reply #15 on:** December 29, 2009, 06:52:21 PM »

I hear it is response time is laggy, and some say it isn't accurate.

TTC · « **Reply #16 on:** December 29, 2009, 07:51:11 PM »

It's to bad because the aem's gauge and price is nice.

Joseph Davis · « **Reply #17 on:** December 30, 2009, 12:05:25 AM »

Quote from: Passenger on December 29, 2009, 03:43:34 PM

I've found the innovate products to be pretty solid.

If hard wired in. Using them as modular tuning gear is a fucking hassle.

The LM-2 is a lot less bitchy than LM-1 and LC-1, but I've only been through four cars with it and my opinion on that might change real fucking quick if it gives me any shit and I have to hit it with a hammer.

Corey · « **Reply #18 on:** December 30, 2009, 12:27:33 AM »

i personally have a zeitronix w/digi screen from back in 04 and its still tits. plus all the parameters you can display/log is win.

if i had to buy a new wideband it would be a ngk probably. the aem looks nice but i think its a little slow.

snm95ls · « **Reply #19 on:** December 30, 2009, 01:17:55 AM »

Quote from: Passenger on December 29, 2009, 03:43:34 PM

I've found the innovate products to be pretty solid.

Same here.

I hated the NGk unit. The display updates about once a century, and the analog output is useless to me since I most of the tuning I have done has been with freeware.

With a better tuning and datalogging software, I am sure it is less of an issue.

These are the only 2 that I have first hand experience with.

bryantaylor · « **Reply #20 on:** December 30, 2009, 04:21:35 AM »

i had a LC-1 when they first came out a couple of years ago and it was a huge piece of shit. i hear they are "decent" now though.

salesmonkey · « **Reply #21 on:** December 30, 2009, 09:12:39 AM »

probably used old sensors in the ones they wanted to test bad and everything new on the sponsers. guy at work brought in a magazine to show me the otehr day because i was talking some about cars and brought up my old turbo civic. i laughed when he brought up that he had a magazine then laughed more when he says he buys everyone of some car magazine. his plan is to buy a skyline in a few years. he also is a wigger. talks pretty normal but dresses like a nigger.

widebody93 · « **Reply #22 on:** December 30, 2009, 05:04:40 PM »

I still favor the M300

92CXyD · « **Reply #23 on:** December 30, 2009, 05:16:07 PM »

Here is the whole article on this (PDF file 11 pages long):
http://www.paceperformance.com/paceperformance/pdf/widebandshootout.pdf

I'm still reading this but seems to be interesting. ;D

HiProfile · « **Reply #24 on:** December 30, 2009, 05:23:27 PM »

Quote from: salesmonkey on December 30, 2009, 09:12:39 AM

probably used old sensors in the ones they wanted to test bad and everything new on the sponsers.

That makes me think, they should have tried each controller on each sensor. The problem is not each controller has an easy sensor calibration (if any), although that would be another negative point for those controllers. I think this was the ford-related magazine that did that test, I recall it being a big controversy about 1-2 years back. IIRC They used control gases - basicly with X percent of oxygen in each - to test the sensors. They had a big pipe with all the sensors in it and filled the pipe with that gas.

The problem with the results is that any retail part can be bad on occation, even if they have Juan the "scientist" and his brother Julio testing them beforehand. They'd have to pull several random retail samples from different resellers, then drop the best & worst results from each brand. Knowing the standard deviation of each brand is the info I'm most interested in.

BTW AEM users generally have innacurate readings, general malfunctions, and big-time problems when they try to interface their stuff with any PC or EMS. Some people get lucky, but most don't.

Joseph Davis · « **Reply #25 on:** December 30, 2009, 09:55:48 PM »

Quote from: HiProfile on December 30, 2009, 05:23:27 PM

BTW AEM users generally have innacurate readings, general malfunctions, and big-time problems when they try to interface their stuff with any PC or EMS. Some people get lucky, but most don't.

You forgot about the inaccurate readings from looking at the gauge, when it's not hooked to anything.

flat_black · « **Reply #26 on:** December 31, 2009, 12:12:21 AM »

I have had a PLX and an innovative LC-1

PLX is easy to remove and install and was very quick however i hated the lack of a 52mm guage but it was accurate according to the dyno i tuned the car on

Innovative i wasnt to impressed with the "DB" guage is super slow but its accurate and more compact more of a pain to hook up calibrate and install

However i just recently installed a New LC1 on my friends D series EK and the guage was alot faster responding mine must be out of date or an older version

I did just buy another LC1 for my Nissan in hopes that it performs like my friends!

Whats wrong with AEM's?

Joseph Davis · « **Reply #27 on:** December 31, 2009, 12:31:56 AM »

Quote from: flat_black on December 31, 2009, 12:12:21 AM

Whats wrong with AEM's?

Can you read the post immediately above yours?

98vtec · « **Reply #28 on:** December 31, 2009, 12:32:31 AM »

widebody93 · « **Reply #29 on:** December 31, 2009, 01:56:36 AM »

Quote from: flat_black on December 31, 2009, 12:12:21 AM

I have had a PLX and an innovative LC-1

PLX is easy to remove and install and was very quick however i hated the lack of a 52mm guage but it was accurate according to the dyno i tuned the car on

Innovative i wasnt to impressed with the "DB" guage is super slow but its accurate and more compact more of a pain to hook up calibrate and install

However i just recently installed a New LC1 on my friends D series EK and the guage was alot faster responding mine must be out of date or an older version

I did just buy another LC1 for my Nissan in hopes that it performs like my friends!

Whats wrong with AEM's?

AND WHO THE FUCK-Jeezy ARE YOU

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