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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Kenny Rogers on January 12, 2010, 03:17:56 AM
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I used to sleep like a dead hooker, but lately I've been having a hell of a time trying to sleep. I took some tyleonol PM, NyQuil, and had a few drinks tonight. I figured that would put me to sleep.
Besides jacking off and smoking weed, what do you guys recommend? I hate not being able to sleep.
Melatonin?
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So, you pretty much got banned for being yourself :P
I would be willing to try sleeping pills (if they work), but I am not much of a smoker.
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I'm in your boat. Picked up a memory foam mattress to help, but I need to get used to it. It's nice to lay on awake, but I have trouble getting to sleep on it. Needs to break in or something.
Booze helps, on bottle #4 of of my sixer of negra modelo now.
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Melatonin?
I take 1 almost every night!
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Melatonin?
I take 1 almost every night!
holy fuck, that shit is hell.
took it once and i layed in bed all night and never slept a fucking second.
took it again thinking it might be different, fuck no- just as bad.
maybe its one of those things that works for some people and not others but frankly that melatonin is like 10 large coffees to me.
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Go work out and get some physical activity. If you work an office style job its not rare to have sleeping issues.
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Have your wife/girlfriend/booty call hit you in the head with a hammer. Works everytime.
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Try binge drinking. 24 shots of cheap rum in an hour and I was out by 1130. I haven't drank today, which is why I'm still up @ 330am.
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Try binge drinking. 24 shots of cheap rum in an hour and I was out by 1130. I haven't drank today, which is why I'm still up @ 330am.
+1 alcohol will be your best friend
Also
Do Wok
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I sleep at least 20 hours a day.
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15mg of restoril downed with a couple of shots of rum.
:noel:
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50mg dyphenhydramine 1hr before bed then 5mg melatonin 30 min before.
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benadryl like jess said
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Try eating healthy, nutritious food, don't take naps if you do, lay off the caffenie at night. Do you worry alot? Like just lay there worrying/thinking all night? I know a lot of people that do that. Kinda have to train yourself to sleep by making habits of things you do before going to bed. Like turning off the TV everynight an hr before bed, or havinig some mik 30 min before bed, etc. After about 3 weeks, your body will figure out that turning off the TV = get ready for bed and you'll fall asleep faster. Supposed to work anyways. I changed my diet from eating shitty food all the time to eating decent food and pretty much no soft drinks and I sleep great now compared to before. (been working for over 4 months, haven't had a problem sleeping one night)
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Don't go to bed unless you are very tired.
Wake up early if you believe that sleeping at 1h00am is not cool.
Calcium help to sleep. Liquor too.
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Don't fucking worry about it. You can't sleep because you don't really need to, get up and do something useful.
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I only been getting about 1 hour of sleep each night for the last few weeks. 200mg of trazodone did nothing for me :'(
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Go work out and get some physical activity. If you work an office style job its not rare to have sleeping issues.
+1 or wake up at five every day and by 9-10 u'll be tired again .... to sleep good u kinda got to run ur body down
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Go work out and get some physical activity. If you work an office style job its not rare to have sleeping issues.
+1 or wake up at five every day and by 9-10 u'll be tired again .... to sleep good u kinda got to run ur body down
That is what I do except I wake up at 4:30 a.m. go to work somewhere between 5 and 7 a.m. (love my job ;D)
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If you are smoking weed and you have the luxury of picking through strains.. Definitely experiment with "OG" strains and Kush varieties as these tend to do the trick when sleeping and stay away from sativas at night. Also over the counter 5-HTP helps bring back the dreams.
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Try eating healthy, nutritious food, don't take naps if you do, lay off the caffenie at night. Do you worry alot? Like just lay there worrying/thinking all night? I know a lot of people that do that. Kinda have to train yourself to sleep by making habits of things you do before going to bed. Like turning off the TV everynight an hr before bed, or havinig some mik 30 min before bed, etc. After about 3 weeks, your body will figure out that turning off the TV = get ready for bed and you'll fall asleep faster. Supposed to work anyways. I changed my diet from eating shitty food all the time to eating decent food and pretty much no soft drinks and I sleep great now compared to before. (been working for over 4 months, haven't had a problem sleeping one night)
I do worry and think about things I need to get done. When I can focus on nothing I tend to fall asleep, but it's getting my brain to STFU.
No soda, no TV in the bedroom, no caffeine after noon, I drink a fair amount of booze though. I was reading that if you are a heavy drinker and fall asleep when drunk, it's more difficult to fall asleep other nights :-\
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Try eating healthy, nutritious food, don't take naps if you do, lay off the caffenie at night. Do you worry alot? Like just lay there worrying/thinking all night? I know a lot of people that do that. Kinda have to train yourself to sleep by making habits of things you do before going to bed. Like turning off the TV everynight an hr before bed, or havinig some mik 30 min before bed, etc. After about 3 weeks, your body will figure out that turning off the TV = get ready for bed and you'll fall asleep faster. Supposed to work anyways. I changed my diet from eating shitty food all the time to eating decent food and pretty much no soft drinks and I sleep great now compared to before. (been working for over 4 months, haven't had a problem sleeping one night)
I do worry and think about things I need to get done. When I can focus on nothing I tend to fall asleep, but it's getting my brain to STFU.
No soda, no TV in the bedroom, no caffeine after noon, I drink a fair amount of booze though. I was reading that if you are a heavy drinker and fall asleep when drunk, it's more difficult to fall asleep other nights :-\
There's some good info here: http://www.helpguide.org/life/sleep_tips.htm (http://www.helpguide.org/life/sleep_tips.htm)
I read a much better article on sleeping several months back, but can't find it now. I'll post it if I do though. I used to be like you, I'd lay in bed on average 1.5- 2 hrs every night before my brain would finally slow down enough and I could go to sleep. And then I didn't get enough sleep, I was tired the next day, and the problem compounded. I did a lot of reading up online looking for things to do to help me sleep. Some worked, some didn't, but now I can go to bed and fall asleep in about 20 minutes on average.
Like I mentioned, you have to train your brain to go to sleep. This is what helped me the most. Like making habits of things you do before going to bed. The link mentions some things. I find that turning on some relaxing music an hr. before bed helps me the most. I also did some things to get the room pitch-black at night, and this helped too. Again, these things may not affect you at all. Different things work for different people. It takes a few weeks to train the brain to recogize them too, so don't expect to crash the first few nights you start doing them and then decide they don't work.
I also mentioned eating good food. This helps with a lot of other things, and can also help you sleep. Probably not the most important as far as sleeping goes though, but it helps me feel better when I am awake.
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I fall asleep in ten min. every night. ;D
All I do work, come home do some house work, read, work on a project, maybe watch something then goto bed. ;D
Maybe you need just get laid more, that always works for me. :yes:
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I'm a known insomniac so probably not the best person to get sleeping advice from...
Anyway I use melatonin. It doesn't make you tired, which may be why it didn't "help" whoever said it doesn't do anything above. You still have to try to sleep. Most people, including myself, experience more vivid dreams when sleeping... The back of your eyes naturally metabolize serotonin to melatonin when you're in the dark (or eyes are closed). Computer monitors and every other source of light prevents it. Take 3-5mg of melatonin, try to sleep, and when you eventually fall to sleep you will wake up feeling more refreshed than easier, most likely sleep with fewer interruptions, and as an added bonus have some lucid dreams. Taking more than 3-5mg of melatonin isn't going to make it "work better" so don't waste your time/money.
Pot obviously makes me tired, but not til I'm coming down from the high. While I'm stoned, I'm more awake than ever and stay up late being entertained by music/games/movies/whatever. Once it starts to wear off, I pass right out.
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Pot + alprazolam/xanax (probably any benzo) will knock me the fuck out. I used to have a xanax prescription, I'd snort one or two, smoke, and pass out.
Alcohol helps but supposedly negatively affects your REM sleep, which is the important shit, so it's not my method of choice.
Exert yourself during the day so you're tired at the end of the day, take a melatonin a half hour before bed, then go to bed and try to sleep. Don't expect it to make you feel tired, it just makes you sleep better once you get there.
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I do worry and think about things I need to get done. When I can focus on nothing I tend to fall asleep, but it's getting my brain to STFU.
Xanax will help the brain shut up.
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Go work out and get some physical activity.
true. this is the best way.
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Ambien FTW
Works every time
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Ambien FTW
Works every time
Ambien did nothing for me but make my already tired body more tired.
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look into DSPD if drugs dont help much.
one night i took a whole bottle of tylenol pm, what was left of my temazepam, all the booze in the house, and i dont even remember what else because i couldnt sleep. this was after i had about five hours of sleep in three days, and after i saw a doctor to get help. doctors dont know shit about sleeping, even if you do all there tests and shit, there still going to jam drugs in your face. then there going try different ones cause those didnt work, then different "combinations" of shit that also dosnt work. DSPD is way under diagnosed because no drug (melatonin is somewhat effective) will help it, so no drug company is pushing it as "the new disease"
do you think any doctor ever heard of restless leg syndrome before they had a drug to treat it ?, fuck no, they just ignored it and called it insomnia or a mental disorder even though it was discovered to be its own disease in 1945.
most of this shit has no treatment yet, but with the drug companies funding all the research, i would bet the treatment will be drugs, lots of them.
if you think you have DSPD, use melatonin to try and regulate things, if your delay is severe (more then 3 hours) try staying up all night on the weekends, or work swingshift if you can. taking Ambien or any other sleeping pill when you have DSPD is like getting shit faced at 3:00 in the afternoon, if you want to sleep, you would have to take so much you pass the fuck out, and thats not the same as actually sleeping.
i found out about DSPD by looking up sleep disorders on wiki there is whole bunch of them that doctors dont know or care about, you should look into them. loading up on stimulates and staying up on the weekend helped me the most, making sure my alarm went off the same time everyday helped to, i dont know why, might be conditioning or something. also some studies find that placebo works almost as well as the sleeping pill over time, the act of taking it makes you sleepy.
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excedrin PM knocks me out most of the time. it gives me fucked up/weird dreams though.
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I call BS, a whole bottle of Tylenol PM and your ass would be dead, and if by luck you didn't your liver would be shit. I hate taking it nonetheless. I feel like a zombie on it. I literally feel like I'm sleeping when I'm still awake and will just randomly get up and start walking down the hall or something wide awake and stop at the end and have no idea wtf I'm doing.
I take 6mg of Melatonin a night. Like Jorsher says it doesn't make you sleepy, but if you just lay down with your eyes closed you will be out in no time. I use to stay up all night all the time and feel like shit for days. When I slept I would toss and turn and still feel crappy in the morning.
After starting melatonin I sleep well and don't wake up (not that I notice). Only problem is I have to make myself get up. If not if I have taken it I can easily sleep 12+ hours.
Weed however doesn't make me sleepy. Again like Jorsher said when I'm high I'm wide damn awake with my heart racing usually. When it starts wearing off my eyes get heavy and I mellow out big time. I can "rest" but I don't actually get to sleep.
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Equate brand diphenhydramine allergy medication (benadryl). $4 for a bottle of 100 25mg capsules. Try taking 2 of them an hour to an hour and a half before you want to fall asleep. This should work well, in addition to causing you to have fairly trippy dreams (it would cause lucid dreams almost nightly with me). I wouldn't recommend taking more than 3 at once though, or you'll start building up a tolerance. If you really just want to be K.O.'d, add in a dose of nyquil. At that point its more like a coma than sleep. I used this to correct my sleep cycle after pulling a few all nighters followed by staying up until 3-4am.
BTW, avoid taking large amounts of anything that has acetaminophen (tylenol) in it, especially when combined with alcohol. You'll nuke your liver.
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If you want to try it w/o meds & stuff, try working out some point in the day, then TRY to stay up when you're on your bed. For me, that always does the opposite. I also have to try very hard to clear my mind. Usually I'm running over what I did today, what I need to do tomorrow, and who I'd like to be doing. You're about to sleep, so you don't have to think about that shit. Lately my work hours are now set vs random timeslots, so I sleep very deeply.
One more thing that can help will sound weird. Get a pen & paper ready to write down any dream you had the second you get up. You'll end up recalling more dreams, and get into that REM sleep mode easier - which helps you sleep deeper, so you'll feel better. It will also be like free entertainment, like movies on crack...and I've had up to 7 dreams in one night I've wrote down. For me it also makes my memory far more sharp than it normally is - I have A.D.D. & my short-term is fucking pitiful. It takes a week or two, but it will work.
Luckly once I get to sleep, I sleep like a log. Only things that should wake me - tree falling on the roof, car crashing through the wall, biblical flood floating my bed away - will wake me up.
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sorta what HiProfile mentioned- If you're worrying about stuff you need to do, should have done, etc, getting more organized and working on time-management will help. I don't officially have A.D.D., but my attention span and memory sucks. I keep a weekly planner that goes day by day and I write down anything and everything that's important. And I've made a habit of looking at it every morning, several times a day, and every night before bed. This helps me to remember what needs to get done so I don't get behind, and helps put my mind at ease knowing I got everything done today, knowing what I got to do tomorrow, etc. One less thing to worry about, and that makes a difference for me.
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when i was a kid they said i had add but i pretty much decided that was bullshit when i was 16 and refused to take the ritalin. i do notice things like going to the store and forgetting half the shit i needed, but if i write them down and dont even take the list with me, i remember everything. i think im just visual, i have to see it or i forget it.
on the tylenol, your dam right it fucks up your liver, but thats how desperate i got. on that day i didnt get up for work, and when i did wake up it was like i was paralyzed, when i was able to talk the doctor at the hospital, she said if you want do die you should keep taking sleeping pills, because if they dont work all there going to do is kill you. taking six temazepam (thats what my wife told the hospital) is not good for you either. all this is very serious, if i have not slept in 30hr or more, i dont consider my self sane. if drugs dont work, dont keep taking them. there are lots of sleep disorders that are not treatable by drugs, DSPD is just the most common. taking a drug that dosnt work my even have the opposite effect and make you more wired. in either case the result is the same, you end up taking more then you should to get to sleep.
when i got off all this shit i didnt sleep at all for three days. i started getting paranoid and shit and thinking that if i slept people would fuck with me while i was asleep. since then i cant remember any of my dreams, im not even sure if i rem at all anymore. and who knows what other lasting effects from a bunch of stupid ass doctors shoving drugs in my face for shit they have no idea how to even treat. i could go to a doctor today and tell him i have trouble sleeping after working swing shift for months, he would prescribe Ambien and tell me to stay away from stimulants, and thats it. completely ignore the the underlying cause and how you got there in the frist place. you dont pay a doctor to knock you out, i could do the same thing with enough alcohol, you pay him to fix the problem. when it comes to sleeping i have never been to a doctor (specialist or otherwise) who even tried to figure out the cause. its like taking your car to a mechanic because its losing oil and he just hands you a whole case of fix-o-leak because he dosnt want to find the leak himself, its exactly the same thing.
sure sleeping pills work but for people like me who have had sleep problems there whole life, they are a temporary fix in most cases.
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Equate brand diphenhydramine allergy medication (benadryl).
i built up a pretty mean tolerance to this stuff. to the point where i would eat a sheet (12 pills) and still be awake.
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Yeah, I've been taking benadryl (generic brand) for the past year or so... It doesn't work anymore.
I'm going to try to workout sometime in the evening. It's against my "do nothing" exercise policy, but I'm willing to give it a shot.
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Equate brand diphenhydramine allergy medication (benadryl).
i built up a pretty mean tolerance to this stuff. to the point where i would eat a sheet (12 pills) and still be awake.
Yeah, you'd have to. 12 is in the fucked-up-and-delusional range. Stuff is no good at high doses, and especially bad if they contain APAP.
Fuck those, I try to keep it natural... Fatigue and/or melatonin, then go to bed and wait it out.
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Equate brand diphenhydramine allergy medication (benadryl).
i built up a pretty mean tolerance to this stuff. to the point where i would eat a sheet (12 pills) and still be awake.
If its only diph, you should have been not only be awake, but tripping. I've taken 16 (400mg) in combination with DXM (known as an OTC flip), and I was tripping hard, with crazily realistic hallucenations. Music was pretty incredible though. I built up a tolerance, so I stopped for a while and tapered the doses I would use to help sleep back down from 100mgs to 50mg. Now if I really just want to go out, I take them earlier, and do 75mg rather than 50mg. Probably also worth mentioning that I weigh 220lbs.
When I buy pharms, I try to get stuff that has just a single chemical in it. For cough medicine, stuff that has only DXM (dextromethorphan), sleep/allergy only diphenhydramine, etc. That way I only build tolerances to one thing at a time.
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Melatonin gives me crazy, vivid dreams.
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Equate brand diphenhydramine allergy medication (benadryl).
i built up a pretty mean tolerance to this stuff. to the point where i would eat a sheet (12 pills) and still be awake.
If its only diph, you should have been not only be awake, but tripping. I've taken 16 (400mg) in combination with DXM (known as an OTC flip), and I was tripping hard, with crazily realistic hallucenations. Music was pretty incredible though. I built up a tolerance, so I stopped for a while and tapered the doses I would use to help sleep back down from 100mgs to 50mg. Now if I really just want to go out, I take them earlier, and do 75mg rather than 50mg. Probably also worth mentioning that I weigh 220lbs.
When I buy pharms, I try to get stuff that has just a single chemical in it. For cough medicine, stuff that has only DXM (dextromethorphan), sleep/allergy only diphenhydramine, etc. That way I only build tolerances to one thing at a time.
DXM can be enjoyable although the OTC robo max strength makes me sick if I even smell it now. It's a nice dissociative pretty similar to K.
Diphenhydramine is something I don't understand how anyone can enjoy. High dose is more delirious than tripping.
Melatonin is the closest thing to a natural, OTC sleep aid that you can get.
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DXM can be enjoyable although the OTC robo max strength makes me sick if I even smell it now. It's a nice dissociative pretty similar to K.
Diphenhydramine is something I don't understand how anyone can enjoy. High dose is more delirious than tripping.
robo is just evil tasting, although unlike some people I've talked to, once I manage to get it down (I take it like shots) I don't have much nausea. I like it. Tripping off diph was more just to see how it was. It wasn't bad, but not really great either. Combining a smaller dose of diph with DXM mellowed the trip out, making the nausea a bit less and the trip less jittery.
I don't drink, and weed bores me, so that doesn't leave me with too many options that are easily attainable.
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DXM can be enjoyable although the OTC robo max strength makes me sick if I even smell it now. It's a nice dissociative pretty similar to K.
Diphenhydramine is something I don't understand how anyone can enjoy. High dose is more delirious than tripping.
robo is just evil tasting, although unlike some people I've talked to, once I manage to get it down (I take it like shots) I don't have much nausea. I like it. Tripping off diph was more just to see how it was. It wasn't bad, but not really great either. Combining a smaller dose of diph with DXM mellowed the trip out, making the nausea a bit less and the trip less jittery.
I don't drink, and weed bores me, so that doesn't leave me with too many options that are easily attainable.
That shit has some retardedly heavy body load. Feel like shit for days. Drink, wait 30 min, then proceed with shots of liquor.
First time I did it I swear I thought I didn't have arms and ears, then when I went to the bathroom pissing was hella weird. Turned around and ended up staring in the mirror mesmerized for I don't know how long. Last time I did it we were watching Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. Got to the point where the cop sirens were going and had to have Jorsher cut it off, shit was freaking me the hell out severely.
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a 20mg ambien will work just fine.
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I used to really like smoking a bowl then going to sleep.
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I used to really like smoking a bowl then going to sleep.
fo sho
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fatty blunt then bust a nut; my nightly routine. when i roll back off her, im asleep before hitting the pillow
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Go work out and get some physical activity. If you work an office style job its not rare to have sleeping issues.
Agreed.
With as little physical activity as I get, my sleep schedule is constantly fucked.