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[Doug]

I call BS, a whole bottle of Tylenol  PM and your ass would be dead, and if by luck you didn't your liver would be shit. I hate taking it nonetheless. I feel like a zombie on it. I literally feel like I'm sleeping when I'm still awake and will just randomly get up and start walking down the hall or something wide awake and stop at the end and have no idea wtf I'm doing.  

I take 6mg of Melatonin a night. Like Jorsher says it doesn't make you sleepy, but if you just lay down with your eyes closed you will be out in no time. I use to stay up all night all the time and feel like shit for days. When I slept I would toss and turn and still feel crappy in the morning.

After starting melatonin I sleep well and don't wake up (not that I notice). Only problem is I have to make myself get up. If not if I have taken it I can easily sleep 12+ hours.

Weed however doesn't make me sleepy. Again like Jorsher said when I'm high I'm wide damn awake with my heart racing usually. When it starts wearing off my eyes get heavy and I mellow out big time. I can "rest" but I don't actually get to sleep.

[Phate]

Equate brand diphenhydramine allergy medication (benadryl).  $4 for a bottle of 100 25mg capsules.  Try taking 2 of them an hour to an hour and a half before you want to fall asleep.  This should work well, in addition to causing you to have fairly trippy dreams (it would cause lucid dreams almost nightly with me).  I wouldn't recommend taking more than 3 at once though, or you'll start building up a tolerance.  If you really just want to be K.O.'d, add in a dose of nyquil.  At that point its more like a coma than sleep.  I used this to correct my sleep cycle after pulling a few all nighters followed by staying up until 3-4am.

BTW, avoid taking large amounts of anything that has acetaminophen (tylenol) in it, especially when combined with alcohol.  You'll nuke your liver.

[HiProfile]

If you want to try it w/o meds & stuff, try working out some point in the day, then TRY to stay up when you're on your bed. For me, that always does the opposite. I also have to try very hard to clear my mind. Usually I'm running over what I did today, what I need to do tomorrow, and who I'd like to be doing. You're about to sleep, so you don't have to think about that shit. Lately my work hours are now set vs random timeslots, so I sleep very deeply.

One more thing that can help will sound weird. Get a pen & paper ready to write down any dream you had the second you get up. You'll end up recalling more dreams, and get into that REM sleep mode easier - which helps you sleep deeper, so you'll feel better. It will also be like free entertainment, like movies on crack...and I've had up to 7 dreams in one night I've wrote down. For me it also makes my memory far more sharp than it normally is - I have A.D.D. & my short-term is fucking pitiful. It takes a week or two, but it will work.

Luckly once I get to sleep, I sleep like a log. Only things that should wake me - tree falling on the roof, car crashing through the wall, biblical flood floating my bed away - will wake me up.

[patsmx5]

sorta what HiProfile mentioned- If you're worrying about stuff you need to do, should have done, etc, getting more organized and working on time-management will help. I don't officially have A.D.D., but my attention span and memory sucks. I keep a weekly planner that goes day by day and I write down anything and everything that's important. And I've made a habit of looking at it every morning, several times a day, and every night before bed. This helps me to remember what needs to get done so I don't get behind, and helps put my mind at ease knowing I got everything done today, knowing what I got to do tomorrow, etc. One less thing to worry about, and that makes a difference for me.

[nock]

when i was a kid they said i had add but i pretty much decided that was bullshit when i was 16 and refused to take the ritalin. i do notice things like going to the store and forgetting half the shit i needed, but if i write them down and dont even take the list with me, i remember everything. i think im just visual, i have to see it or i forget it.

on the tylenol, your dam right it fucks up your liver, but thats how desperate i got. on that day i didnt get up for work, and when i did wake up it was like i was paralyzed, when i was able to talk the doctor at the hospital, she said if you want do die you should keep taking sleeping pills, because if they dont work all there going to do is kill you. taking six temazepam (thats what my wife told the hospital) is not good for you either. all this is very serious, if i have not slept in 30hr or more, i dont consider my self sane. if drugs dont work, dont keep taking them. there are lots of sleep disorders that are not treatable by drugs, DSPD is just the most common. taking a drug that dosnt work my even have the opposite effect and make you more wired. in either case the result is the same, you end up taking more then you should to get to sleep.

when i got off all this shit i didnt sleep at all for three days. i started getting paranoid and shit and thinking that if i slept people would fuck with me while i was asleep. since then i cant remember any of my dreams, im not even sure if i rem at all anymore. and who knows what other lasting effects from a bunch of stupid ass doctors shoving drugs in my face for shit they have no idea how to even treat. i could go to a doctor today and tell him i have trouble sleeping after working swing shift for months, he would prescribe Ambien and tell me to stay away from stimulants, and thats it. completely ignore the the underlying cause and how you got there in the frist place. you dont pay a doctor to knock you out, i could do the same thing with enough alcohol, you pay him to fix the problem. when it comes to sleeping i have never been to a doctor (specialist or otherwise) who even tried to figure out the cause. its like taking your car to a mechanic because its losing oil and he just hands you a whole case of fix-o-leak because he dosnt want to find the leak himself, its exactly the same thing.

sure sleeping pills work but for people like me who have had sleep problems there whole life, they are a temporary fix in most cases.

[j.h.christ]

Equate brand diphenhydramine allergy medication (benadryl). 

i built up a pretty mean tolerance to this stuff. to the point where i would eat a sheet (12 pills) and still be awake.

[Kenny Rogers]

Yeah, I've been taking benadryl (generic brand) for the past year or so... It doesn't work anymore.

I'm going to try to workout sometime in the evening.  It's against my "do nothing" exercise policy, but I'm willing to give it a shot.

[Jorsher]

Equate brand diphenhydramine allergy medication (benadryl). 

i built up a pretty mean tolerance to this stuff. to the point where i would eat a sheet (12 pills) and still be awake.

Yeah, you'd have to.  12 is in the fucked-up-and-delusional range.  Stuff is no good at high doses, and especially bad if they contain APAP.

Fuck those, I try to keep it natural...  Fatigue and/or melatonin, then go to bed and wait it out.

[Phate]

Equate brand diphenhydramine allergy medication (benadryl). 

i built up a pretty mean tolerance to this stuff. to the point where i would eat a sheet (12 pills) and still be awake.

If its only diph, you should have been not only be awake, but tripping.  I've taken 16 (400mg) in combination with DXM (known as an OTC flip), and I was tripping hard, with crazily realistic hallucenations.  Music was pretty incredible though.  I built up a tolerance, so I stopped for a while and tapered the doses I would use to help sleep back down from 100mgs to 50mg.  Now if I really just want to go out, I take them earlier, and do 75mg rather than 50mg.  Probably also worth mentioning that I weigh 220lbs.

When I buy pharms, I try to get stuff that has just a single chemical in it.  For cough medicine, stuff that has only DXM (dextromethorphan), sleep/allergy only diphenhydramine, etc.  That way I only build tolerances to one thing at a time.

[Adam Lofton]

Melatonin gives me crazy, vivid dreams.

[Jorsher]

Equate brand diphenhydramine allergy medication (benadryl). 

i built up a pretty mean tolerance to this stuff. to the point where i would eat a sheet (12 pills) and still be awake.

If its only diph, you should have been not only be awake, but tripping.  I've taken 16 (400mg) in combination with DXM (known as an OTC flip), and I was tripping hard, with crazily realistic hallucenations.  Music was pretty incredible though.  I built up a tolerance, so I stopped for a while and tapered the doses I would use to help sleep back down from 100mgs to 50mg.  Now if I really just want to go out, I take them earlier, and do 75mg rather than 50mg.  Probably also worth mentioning that I weigh 220lbs.

When I buy pharms, I try to get stuff that has just a single chemical in it.  For cough medicine, stuff that has only DXM (dextromethorphan), sleep/allergy only diphenhydramine, etc.  That way I only build tolerances to one thing at a time.

DXM can be enjoyable although the OTC robo max strength makes me sick if I even smell it now.  It's a nice dissociative pretty similar to K.

Diphenhydramine is something I don't understand how anyone can enjoy.  High dose is more delirious than tripping.

Melatonin is the closest thing to a natural, OTC sleep aid that you can get.

[Phate]

DXM can be enjoyable although the OTC robo max strength makes me sick if I even smell it now.  It's a nice dissociative pretty similar to K.

Diphenhydramine is something I don't understand how anyone can enjoy.  High dose is more delirious than tripping.

robo is just evil tasting, although unlike some people I've talked to, once I manage to get it down (I take it like shots) I don't have much nausea.  I like it.  Tripping off diph was more just to see how it was.  It wasn't bad, but not really great either.  Combining a smaller dose of diph with DXM mellowed the trip out, making the nausea a bit less and the trip less jittery.

I don't drink, and weed bores me, so that doesn't leave me with too many options that are easily attainable.

[Doug]

DXM can be enjoyable although the OTC robo max strength makes me sick if I even smell it now.  It's a nice dissociative pretty similar to K.

Diphenhydramine is something I don't understand how anyone can enjoy.  High dose is more delirious than tripping.

robo is just evil tasting, although unlike some people I've talked to, once I manage to get it down (I take it like shots) I don't have much nausea.  I like it.  Tripping off diph was more just to see how it was.  It wasn't bad, but not really great either.  Combining a smaller dose of diph with DXM mellowed the trip out, making the nausea a bit less and the trip less jittery.

I don't drink, and weed bores me, so that doesn't leave me with too many options that are easily attainable.

That shit has some retardedly heavy body load. Feel like shit for days. Drink, wait 30 min, then proceed with shots of liquor.

First time I did it I swear I thought I didn't have arms and ears, then when I went to the bathroom pissing was hella weird. Turned around and ended up staring in the mirror mesmerized for I don't know how long. Last time I did it we were watching Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. Got to the point where the cop sirens were going and had to have Jorsher cut it off, shit was freaking me the hell out severely.

[boosted99SiR]

a 20mg ambien will work just fine.

[WPPF]

I used to really like smoking a bowl then going to sleep.

[boosted99SiR]

I used to really like smoking a bowl then going to sleep.

fo sho

[colt45]

fatty blunt then bust a nut;  my nightly routine.  when i roll back off her, im asleep before hitting the pillow

[snm95ls]

Go work out and get some physical activity. If you work an office style job its not rare to have sleeping issues.

Agreed.

With as little physical activity as I get, my sleep schedule is constantly fucked.