:::RHMT::: Real Home Made Turbo
General Category => Fabrication => Topic started by: jay on February 16, 2010, 04:54:58 PM
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i currently have one kid who wants a ramhorn and a kid who wants a log manifold..
i want enough stock to build 2 more log manifolds
so 4 log manifolds =
3 x 2 90degree bends = 6 90 degree bends
3 x 2 Tee's = 6 tee's
then i figured 20 more 90 degree bends for the ram horn mani
+ 4 feet of straight pipe
was thinking about picking up some tight radius 90degree bends
should i bother with 45's? cant i just cut 1 90degree bend into 2 45's?
sorry if this post is retarded i guess im having buyers remorse lol
i just got my tax return check so im all set to go to harbor frieght to pick up a band saw and welding helmet in the next few days
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Why not mandrel bends?
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Do yourself a favor and talk to CoreyR or CSAddict before you place your order. I'd also talk to our friends at Mandrel Bends as they are selling pipe bends now.
I'd also think twice if you want to invest all your money into welding gear.
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Why not mandrel bends?
going off what jd said all i saw was 16 gauge which i was told was *sigh* flimsy..
also i couldnt get past the whole with or without legs ordeal (ace vs columbia river)
im also going to order a bunch of mild steel flanges and a ss flange for the ramhorn mani from weir
Do yourself a favor and talk to CoreyR or CSAddict before you place your order. I'd also talk to our friends at Mandrel Bends as they are selling pipe bends now.
I'd also think twice if you want to invest all your money into welding gear.
i talked to coreyR already lol
i didnt know they were selling pipe bends now hmmmm
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You should only need 13 bends to be a ramhorn if your using 90's. then you need 3 90's and 2 t's for a log. unless your not running wategates.
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You should only need 13 bends to be a ramhorn if your using 90's. then you need 3 90's and 2 t's for a log. unless your not running wategates.
yeah external wastegate slipped my mind... nice... i would have ordered extras anyways to get started
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I will tell you this order as many as you can because the shipping kills the online places vs local for me atleast. but if you order 50-100 then you have alot to work with and can suck up the shipping.
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I will tell you this order as many as you can because the shipping kills the online places vs local for me atleast. but if you order 50-100 then you have alot to work with and can suck up the shipping.
but local places cost more dont they?
what kind of local stores would stock the ss?
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You clearly don't want a stainless flange for a Ram Horn. It will banana and you will be pissed.
Since when do you weld? Lets see some work sir!!
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I will tell you this order as many as you can because the shipping kills the online places vs local for me atleast. but if you order 50-100 then you have alot to work with and can suck up the shipping.
but local places cost more dont they?
what kind of local stores would stock the ss?
I buy from ferguson, it's a chain plumbing and contractor supplier. I pay $6/e local for the 90's and no shipping. so it depends on how many i need that i choose where i buy. Also i get the straight pipe cheaper also $8/f 20' sticks.
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On the local front I have used FW Web here in CT. Their prices climb and fall all the time so I always have to call and beat them up on every order.
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...Since when do you weld? Lets see some work sir!!
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You clearly don't want a stainless flange for a Ram Horn. It will banana and you will be pissed.
Since when do you weld? Lets see some work sir!!
havent started welding yet!
im about to.
so even if you bolt a ss flange to a head or to a jig to keep it from bending/warping it wont work?
so fuck ~100 dollar ss flanges?
i just figured if its a high end manifold to make it all out of ss...
idk...
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better get a deposit, people back out very often and you have a track record of getting screwed over
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You clearly don't want a stainless flange for a Ram Horn. It will banana and you will be pissed.
Since when do you weld? Lets see some work sir!!
havent started welding yet!
im about to.
so even if you bolt a ss flange to a head or to a jig to keep it from bending/warping it wont work?
so fuck ~100 dollar ss flanges?
i just figured if its a high end manifold to make it all out of ss...
idk...
Yeah SS as flange material really doesn't work. T?he heat imput needed to weld a 1/2" flange to a sch10 pipe properly will destroy a SS flange pretty easily.
better get a deposit, people back out very often and you have a track record of getting screwed over
^^^This, i have had more people tell me they want this and that, hell some have delivered cars then want to back out of half there order. they don't understand shit. Be carefull.
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I find it a bit funny you are taking orders for manifolds when you have never made one. Thats amibitious! or silly......
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You are setting yourself up for failure.
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You clearly don't want a stainless flange for a Ram Horn. It will banana and you will be pissed.
Since when do you weld? Lets see some work sir!!
havent started welding yet!
im about to.
so even if you bolt a ss flange to a head or to a jig to keep it from bending/warping it wont work?
so fuck ~100 dollar ss flanges?
i just figured if its a high end manifold to make it all out of ss...
idk...
Yeah SS as flange material really doesn't work. T?he heat imput needed to weld a 1/2" flange to a sch10 pipe properly will destroy a SS flange pretty easily.
better get a deposit, people back out very often and you have a track record of getting screwed over
^^^This, i have had more people tell me they want this and that, hell some have delivered cars then want to back out of half there order. they don't understand shit. Be carefull.
i dont get it.. why do they have ss flanges then?
so a mild steel flange would work best? it wouldnt rust or flake or any bs like that? meh
thats why im only taking 3 orders.. and im only going to build the log mani without the turbo inlet.. then when they pay me ill cut the log and weld up the turbo flange and external wastegate flange..
if they dont come through then ill just have a log manifold that isnt specialized for anything so it isnt bad...
I find it a bit funny you are taking orders for manifolds when you have never made one. Thats amibitious! or silly......
yeah been through alot of shit.. had someone rear end my car hit and run so i sold it for dirt cheap then used that money + a little cash i had laying arround to pick up the welder..
tax return came in today so ill be ordering up the metal and going to hf for a bandsaw and welding mask..
well see
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You are setting yourself up for failure.
well its one of those nagging things that if i dont do ittl just stay in the back of my head "i could have welded manis for a living"
whatever im going for it there are no jobs so fuck it
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Have you ever tig welded before? if so post up some pics. If you haven't then how do you expect to build a manifold with no experience?
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Have you ever tig welded before? if so post up some pics. If you haven't then how do you expect to build a manifold with no experience?
not trying to downplay the skills required but i cant imagine it being that hard for me..
im a pretty quick learner.. so well see..
ill have my welder hooked up in less than a week hopefully gonna have my metal ordered up by then too
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Deffinately in for pix
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Well Buk its tough making a "living" making manifolds. Ask anyone that does. I do not. I make one here and there when I feel like it. I have a day job that I don't mind going to.
With that said just remember what everyone says. Clean, clean, clean. Clean the metal, keep the tungsten clean. Everytime you touch or contaminate it STOP, regrind the tungsten and then get back at it. Everytime. No exception. Good root pass on sch 10/40 is a good practice with a cap pass is how I do it. Many only make one pass, but back purge would be a must I would think. You know the rest. Its just seat time. I would suggest getting started, to leaving the filler in the puddle and make a Z or a C pattern with the torch.
Good luck, hope to see some sick shit come out of the BukFab camp!
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Oh and get a good 4 1/2" angle grinder and some Norton flap wheels for it. They last a long time and leave a "finished" finish as they grind.
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id like to hope i can pull this shit off... thing about me is i dont mind working long hours for pennies a day.. so well see... not to mention back when i cracked the case on my b16 tranny i couldnt find anyone to weld it up for less than 200 lol so maybe i can go off the i want this shit done done for crackhead pricing crowd :p
how do you regrind the tungsten?
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how do you regrind the tungsten?
To a point
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how do you regrind the tungsten?
To a point
With the point facing the wheel, NOT perpendicular to it.
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so why do they sell stainless steel flanges? lol
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how do you regrind the tungsten?
To a point
With the point facing the wheel, NOT perpendicular to it.
oh not this again
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Hey nig nog hows the crx. Im in for pic's!!!!!!!!
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Hey nig nog hows the crx. Im in for pic's!!!!!!!!
replacement motor sitting in the front seat of my Taurus lol
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so why do they sell stainless steel flanges? lol
My guess would be for very high end n/a headers. They usually don't get as hot as a turbo manifold, and the material can be welded at lower temps (amps). this would make the stainless flanges work i spose.
This better not be a CC-Fab mess, because i know i had friends buy those things and had to personally fix 2. When i could have just sold them manifolds in the first place. But the price was to good to pass up.... :?:
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so why do they sell stainless steel flanges? lol
My guess would be for very high end n/a headers. They usually don't get as hot as a turbo manifold, and the material can be welded at lower temps (amps). this would make the stainless flanges work i spose.
This better not be a CC-Fab mess, because i know i had friends buy those things and had to personally fix 2. When i could have just sold them manifolds in the first place. But the price was to good to pass up.... :?:
lol i dont think it will i wont be all secretive and pretend im an elite welder lol ill see what my work looks like and go from there.. ill also offer lifetime warranttyyyyyyy on the logs atleast :p
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just got back from hf btw and picked up this shiznit
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=93762 (http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=93762)
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hoping to have my order placed with ace stainless and weir by tomorrow lol
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You gotta love tax return time. :) So many new adventures born from those checks.
I wouldn't suggest stainless flanges unless you are very comfortable tig welding. That's a big expensive oops if you screw it up and warp it.
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You gotta love tax return time. :) So many new adventures born from those checks.
I wouldn't suggest stainless flanges unless you are very comfortable tig welding. That's a big expensive oops if you screw it up and warp it.
already way more than tax return check deep lol
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dont listen to em man, just do it!
good luck, in for pics!!
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What welder are you going with?
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What welder are you going with?
miller econotig
its an OK welder... hopefully this works out and ill be able to get a better one..
i looked for the lowest priced decent welder that i can resell easilly if this welding gig fails..
econotig was easiest sub 1500 dollar welder to resell
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All you need now is a Chinese welding machine and you can compete with OBX.
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All you need now is a Chinese welding machine and you can compete with OBX.
OBx has better welders, don't you talk shit about them.
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All you need now is a Chinese welding machine and you can compete with OBX.
i got a miller econotig and if it works out im upgrading to the syncrowave series :jd shrug:
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Fuck that bandsaw. Its sitting outside of my shop collecting rust not a fan of it at all.
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Fuck that bandsaw. Its sitting outside of my shop collecting rust not a fan of it at all.
I remember someone saying it was all in the blade.
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how do you regrind the tungsten?
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=92158 (http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=92158)
I don't have room ATM for a big mother, plus it's easy enough to change the belt to avoid any contamination when it's needed elsewhere. I can't see the pad under the work area lasting too long and it's loud as fuck, but works great for just resharping shit.
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I grind my tungsten with one of these. The local welding supply had one for a while so I beat them up on the price.
http://www.techsouthinc.com/grinders/pp.html (http://www.techsouthinc.com/grinders/pp.html)
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^^^^Now that looks good. I use to hate grinding it by hand.
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deposited 1k into my mommies bank account to use her paypal to order flanges and metal tomorrow :noel:
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All you need now is a Chinese welding machine and you can compete with OBX.
OBx has better hack wanna be welders, don't you talk shit about them.
K.
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Fuck that bandsaw. Its sitting outside of my shop collecting rust not a fan of it at all.
you should send it to me for the cost of shipping. i have one and use the hell out of it with no issues. a good blade and proper setup is all thats needed.
also, in for the results. i think its hilarious to take orders for manifolds and never welded anything ever. i made my first manifold for someone else, but i didnt charge for my time and i had been welding for years before that first one.
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also, in for the results. i think its hilarious to take orders for manifolds and never welded anything ever. i made my first manifold for someone else, but i didnt charge for my time and i had been welding for years before that first one.
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im not "taking orders" more like gauging interest.. so when i make my manis i can sell them lol
so 1/2 inch mild steel flanges for the exhaust flange and 3/8th mild steel for the turbo inlet and wastegate flanges?
are 3/8th exhaust flanges really too thin? lol
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lol the new tittle of this thread = about to place my first order at columbia river mandrel bends :noel:
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im not "taking orders" more like gauging interest.. so when i make my manis i can sell them lol
so 1/2 inch mild steel flanges for the exhaust flange and 3/8th mild steel for the turbo inlet and wastegate flanges?
are 3/8th exhaust flanges really too thin? lol
You really need to do some SEARCHING. I don't know about anyone else, but i'm not spoon feading you info. All this stuff people learned by searching and practise. And frankly you lax additude about manifold building like your going to master tig welding in 2 days is annoying.
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im not "taking orders" more like gauging interest.. so when i make my manis i can sell them lol
so 1/2 inch mild steel flanges for the exhaust flange and 3/8th mild steel for the turbo inlet and wastegate flanges?
are 3/8th exhaust flanges really too thin? lol
You really need to do some SEARCHING. I don't know about anyone else, but i'm not spoon feading you info. All this stuff people learned by searching and practise. And frankly you lax additude about manifold building like your going to master tig welding in 2 days is annoying.
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the beautiful thing about it is when you search you get eleventy million billion answers
not to mention one thread about scd10 being overkill.. lol
i trust hmt so thats where im getting my questions answered..
i already searched and thats what i came up with im just confirming
never said id master anything..
im just double checking before i place my order :/
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And this is where experience takes place. I wouldn't drop 1g on steel if you haven't even done one. Start small and work your way up. My first manifold was made out of fucking plumbing pipe. You figure it out and find what works.
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And this is where experience takes place. I wouldn't drop 1g on steel if you haven't even done one. Start small and work your way up. My first manifold was made out of fucking plumbing pipe. You figure it out and find what works.
im not gonna spend 1k on steel.. maybe 4 to 600 bucks
i loose interest in stuff easily if i don't go all out lol
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And this is where experience takes place. I wouldn't drop 1g on steel if you haven't even done one. Start small and work your way up. My first manifold was made out of fucking plumbing pipe. You figure it out and find what works.
im not gonna spend 1k on steel.. maybe 4 to 600 bucks
i loose interest in stuff easily if i don't go all out lol
A log shouldn't cost you more the 100 for flanges and stainless. Are you fucking retarded deaf or illiterate? This is what everyone is warning you about. Build one, see how it goes and figure out what it is you really need.
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just nvm 8)
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obviously everyone means well but i said it before ill say it again if i order just what i need for 1 or 2 logs ill fail miserably.. if i dont go all out on this i will lose interest and give up on the whole thing lol
im just retarded
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Buk just dont fuck up too much of that material you are buying. I will grab some of it if you post it in the classifieds after trying for a few weeks!!!!
I'm kidding. BUT, its all seat time. Are you willing to ruin tons of stainless to figure out how to train you muscles to TIG? Start off with scrap and post up and people can critque and add guidence.
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lol thanks..
ive seen a million "why do my welds look like this" or "how can i get better looking beads" and "why arent i getting enough penetration"with people adding feedback.. move slower.. raise the amperage.. what filler rod are you using.. again im not trying to knock anyone or be a douche im just saying.. well see..
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For not trying to be a douche your sure coming off as being quite a cocky one. :noel:
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i smell a 3 pack o niggers here
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...its all seat time...
This.
Some people take less, some more, but at the end of the day it really is all just a matter of putting the hrs in.
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For not trying to be a douche your sure coming off as being quite a cocky one. :noel:
lol i dont think ive ever offended anyone on hmt other than that jew nigger myshtern
and more recently the other nigger kain because kain is a piece of shit
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buk9
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buk9
t peeeeeeeeeeee in yourrrrrrrr faccccccccccccceeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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Have you thought about taking some welding classes at the local community college
Do you own a mig? This is by far the most useful welder for typical repairs for locals if that is the route your planning. Internet manifold guys went down hill once the cdm cast manifolds got below a 100 bucks.
I have it in my head that I will open an exhaust repair shop.
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I have it in my head that I will open an exhaust repair shop.
i see the local exhaust shops doing very well for themselves. always makes me consider it. if i only had the cash for a bender
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I dont use the word doing well in business. Either your doing horrible or are a baller. there is no middle ground sir.
Exhaust work will always be there but trying to be MR. performance exhaust shop=fail. My vision is helping single Mom's with exhaust leaks on 99 Toyota camry's and being paid well and then porting them on Friday night.
This week Im working on some classic piles of shit and they are uber stock. They also uber pay the bills
I also am porting out a handful of rrc k20 manifolds and a d16y8 head this week.
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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ordered metal just now 8)
ordering flanges later on today or tomorrow hopefully
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If it hasn't been covered yet, make sure you bolt the flanges to a junk LS head or huge flat chunk of steel. I recall one incident where a n00b had a good 3/8" of warpage from end to end. The only real fix was to cut the whole thing off.
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If it hasn't been covered yet, make sure you bolt the flanges to a junk LS head or huge flat chunk of steel. I recall one incident where a n00b had a good 3/8" of warpage from end to end. The only real fix was to cut the whole thing off.
You should also be able to get away with using a 4x4 with lag bolts. Keep a fire extinguisher around if it decides to catch on fire.
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If it hasn't been covered yet, make sure you bolt the flanges to a junk LS head or huge flat chunk of steel. I recall one incident where a n00b had a good 3/8" of warpage from end to end. The only real fix was to cut the whole thing off.
You should also be able to get away with using a 4x4 with lag bolts. Keep a fire extinguisher around if it decides to catch on fire.
thats what i was going to ask!!! lol but i didnt want to piss off more people :?:
already have a 4x4 chilling outside too :noel:
also was thinking about laying down some thin sheet metal across my wooden table.. that should work ok as a ground right?
idk...
if i like welding and im good at it ill order me some decent plate steel or find some somewhere for a decent welding table lol
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I'm not a professional fabricator, but I doubt if you put a good amount of lag bolts into a 4x4, they'd pull out or allow the material to warp. I'd put some sort of fiberglass or something fire retardant around the wood so it wouldn't burst into flames. I'd also still have a fire extinguisher very close by.
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Couch's and a coffee table with a 1/4" plate on the top work pimp for a welding area.
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I'm not a professional fabricator, but I doubt if you put a good amount of lag bolts into a 4x4, they'd pull out or allow the material to warp. I'd put some sort of fiberglass or something fire retardant around the wood so it wouldn't burst into flames. I'd also still have a fire extinguisher very close by.
already have 3 fire extinguishers on standby...
also gonna buy one of those pesticide sprayers that you pump and spray to spray water...
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Couch's and a coffee table with a 1/4" plate on the top work pimp for a welding area.
I Use an old tv stand.... :noel:
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Your going to suck at welding for awhile. Its not a trade learned overnight sir.
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He was kidding about the 4x4. Get a big hunk of aluminum or some flat think plate and drill it out.
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He was kidding about the 4x4. Get a big hunk of aluminum or some flat think plate and drill it out.
booo :(
i figured it wouldn't be that easy...
i think id rather just find me a core head and use that
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Have you got the welder yet?
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He was kidding about the 4x4. Get a big hunk of aluminum or some flat think plate and drill it out.
booo :(
i figured it wouldn't be that easy...
i think id rather just find me a core head and use that
Ok, do not buy a core head. There is no clearance to ge the torch in and around to do the welding without losing sight of the weld area or having to use a poor torch angle.
Go call a trailer repair place or metal supply store. You can get a chunk of 4"x 24-32" 1/2" plate and drill some holes in it. Pretty easy, also it's doesn't cost much at all.
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I still can't wait to see the first one :noel:
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Have you got the welder yet?
yes. miller econotig
He was kidding about the 4x4. Get a big hunk of aluminum or some flat think plate and drill it out.
booo :(
i figured it wouldn't be that easy...
i think id rather just find me a core head and use that
Ok, do not buy a core head. There is no clearance to ge the torch in and around to do the welding without losing sight of the weld area or having to use a poor torch angle.
Go call a trailer repair place or metal supply store. You can get a chunk of 4"x 24-32" 1/2" plate and drill some holes in it. Pretty easy, also it's doesn't cost much at all.
cool shit, thanks
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stop taking and take pics.
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stop taking and take pics.
+1
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electrician coming out tomorrow to wire up the 220 line..
id do it myself but im a pussy
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do you own a mig welder?
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do you own a mig welder?
no.. but if this works out ill prolly pick one up :noel:
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Buk don't hotrex yourself. He is proof that even if you are a halfway decent welder things won't work out.
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do you own a mig welder?
no.. but if this works out ill prolly pick one up :noel:
Mig welding is
1. Much easier to learn
2. Can do manifolds just as well
3. Fuckin faster
4. Welds not as pretty
Now they guys on here who have 5 years under their belts with a tig in their hands will disagree with me but your trying to make a buck day one. Tig welding from the little practice I have had is pretty time consuming imo.
Go buy a nice hobart mig.
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I learned how to weld on a TIG first and then I used a MIG. The MIG is more useful but people pay for TIG.
Jay there is a guy on Turbo Options that bought a manifold from me. Now he did like you. Just bought a welder and got down to it. He still needs lots more practice but he has steady customers locally where he lives.
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Buk don't hotrex yourself. He is proof that even if you are a halfway decent welder things won't work out.
imo hotrex fucked up when he took orders for manifolds that didnt exist lol
then when he rushed to make manis and half assed them it let to cracked manifolds
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I think everyone should learn to TIG or Stick weld first. Mig is too fast, and it "looks" welded, but in fact can be cold lapped. Both TIG and stick move much slower, and you can really see when it is wetting in, it makes you a much better mig welder. Laying down a bead with a mig anyone can do, making a good weld with a mig, takes a lot of practice just like any of the other welding process's.
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I learned how to braze before anything else. Then stick, then mig. I havent ever picked up a tig. :'(
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I learned how to braze before anything else. Then stick, then mig. I havent ever picked up a tig. :'(
Bring yourself down to PO!
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I learned how to braze before anything else. Then stick, then mig. I havent ever picked up a tig. :'(
I did a similar path: Braze, oxy-acetylene weld, then stick, then mig, then tig.
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I learned how to braze before anything else. Then stick, then mig. I havent ever picked up a tig. :'(
I did a similar path: Braze, oxy-acetylene weld, then stick, then mig, then tig.
oxy-acetylene and coat hangers!!! FTW!!
Done that a few times in a pinch!
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I have about 10 years of mig under my belt and about 3 hours of tig. I would like to buy a hobart tig this year though.
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I learned how to braze before anything else. Then stick, then mig. I havent ever picked up a tig. :'(
I did a similar path: Braze, oxy-acetylene weld, then stick, then mig, then tig.
oxy-acetylene and coat hangers!!! FTW!!
Done that a few times in a pinch!
if you can oxy weld, you can tig weld, very similar.
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just ordered my flanges
fucking electrician didnt come this morning like he was supposed to im fucking pissed
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Dude, he's an electrician. What do you expect, promptness???
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Dude, he's an electrician. What do you expect, soberness???
fixed
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Dude, he's an SHITTY electrician. What do you expect, promptness???
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metal shipped. still no sign of electrician.. i might wire it up myself lol
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generator ftw O0
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http://www.xomba.com/how_to_wire_a_220v_wall_outlet (http://www.xomba.com/how_to_wire_a_220v_wall_outlet)
It's pretty fucking easy.
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generator ftw O0
lmao! the first welder i Almost bought was a thermal arc tig welder generator
http://www.xomba.com/how_to_wire_a_220v_wall_outlet (http://www.xomba.com/how_to_wire_a_220v_wall_outlet)
It's pretty fucking easy.
yup!
i think ill give it a shot tomorrow lol
i got the lowes write up
http://web.archive.org/web/20080312064412/http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=howTo&p=Improve/220outlet.html (http://web.archive.org/web/20080312064412/http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=howTo&p=Improve/220outlet.html)
will i need a higher rated amp breaker for the welder
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ok so heres what i have laying around the house
is this wire thick enough..
its wrapped in a metal spiral conduit or whatever it is..
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and a 220v plug...
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the write up says 12 gauge minimum and im pretty sure what i have is 12 gauge wire so ill go take a look at the box now :p
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hmmm i see some prewired 220v lines back from when we had a ac unit hooked up before we got central air..
its farther then id like but i think ill just stick the plug there and have the welder itself outside the actual room im welding in.. heh well see
would it be a problem if i spliced the wires to extend it or should i just replace it with a new wire from the panel
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Dude, your gona catch your house on fire!! Run a new line from your panel and make it 8gauge. The shorter the run the better. My panel is in my garage and my 220 outlet is right under my panel. I wouldnt run any wire smaller than 8gauge. 6 would be best.
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True nig nog would cut an extension cord into 3 pieces, combine them all, twist all the matching wires together and use that O0
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A true nig nog would take 2 extention cords and run one on one outlet and another from a diff outlet and use a hot leg from each to make there 220v power supply!!
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A true nig nog would take 2 extention cords and run one on one outlet and another from a diff outlet and use a hot leg from each to make there 220v power supply!!
Don't tell him to do this shit. He'll try it.
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Fuck it, just have another electrician do it.
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lol i think this is just 1 wire so ill run 3 seprete wires one for each of the hot and 1 for ground?
http://cgi.ebay.com/THHN-10-AWG-GAUGE-BLACK-STRANDED-WIRE-500_W0QQitemZ150415642297QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item2305788eb9 (http://cgi.ebay.com/THHN-10-AWG-GAUGE-BLACK-STRANDED-WIRE-500_W0QQitemZ150415642297QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item2305788eb9)
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Just call another electriction. It's not worth burning your house down. BTW, if you do burn your shit down you think insurance is ever going to cover that once they see your ghetto wiring? NO.....
Go buy a proper welder extention cord if your not hard wiring in the 220v, there not cheap but there fully sealed and there no risk of a fire.
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This post is FTW :evil:
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Just call another electriction. It's not worth burning your house down. BTW, if you do burn your shit down you think insurance is ever going to cover that once they see your ghetto wiring? NO.....
Go buy a proper welder extention cord if your not hard wiring in the 220v, there not cheap but there fully sealed and there no risk of a fire.
This.
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breakers and rating. Round up:
14 -15amp
12- 20amp
10 - 30 amp
8 - 40 amp
Don't mix them up. you'll either burn shit up, or waste money on copper you can't get full use of. What's the amp draw on the welder's name plate at 240? You need ?/2 unless it's a four prong, and then you need ?/3
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I forsee you burning your house down, just remember to take pics of said damage.
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Buk, get the specs on the welder of what it requires for service and we can tell you what you need.
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I'd run 6 gauge wire if you are thinking about having a 50' run.
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I'd run 6 gauge wire if you are thinking about having a 50' run.
christ... it keeps getting worse and worse.. now i have to spend alot more than i thought :(
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http://www.millerwelds.com/om/o303e_mil.pdf (http://www.millerwelds.com/om/o303e_mil.pdf)
manual says 10 gauge is fine
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We run 230V in the US, not 200. It says 6 gauge is good up to 150ft. 10 gauge is probably ok for 20-30ft. 50ft you could probably be ok with 8 gauge. If the difference in price is only $10-20, I'd run 6 gauge.
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We run 230V in the US, not 200. It says 6 gauge is good up to 150ft. 10 gauge is probably ok for 20-30ft. 50ft you could probably be ok with 8 gauge. If the difference in price is only $10-20, I'd run 6 gauge.
does the manual really call for a 80 amp breaker?
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We run 230V in the US, not 200. It says 6 gauge is good up to 150ft. 10 gauge is probably ok for 20-30ft. 50ft you could probably be ok with 8 gauge. If the difference in price is only $10-20, I'd run 6 gauge.
does the manual really call for a 80 amp breaker?
I run a 40 amp breaker on my sync 200 and push it harder then you can/would on your welder. I Have never popped the breaker even after pushing it for a few hours on 180 amps. So i can't imagine you needing a 80 amp breaker.
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Jay,
Run a 60A breaker with 6-8 gauge wire. Do not run individual wires, that is against code. You could probably run 10 gauge wire, but it seems 8 gauge wire is only $10 more than the 10 gauge, so you should run the 8 gauge wire.
Electrical code is typically overkill, but the difference in cost between doing it right and wrong is typically not enough to do it wrong.
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Jay,
Run a 60A breaker with 6-8 gauge wire. Do not run individual wires, that is against code. You could probably run 10 gauge wire, but it seems 8 gauge wire is only $10 more than the 10 gauge, so you should run the 8 gauge wire.
Electrical code is typically overkill, but the difference in cost between doing it right and wrong is typically not enough to do it wrong.
the house will never get inspected.. its detroit.. lol
but i guess ill go ahead and go with 8 gauge.. and the 60amp breaker...
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I forsee you burning your house down, just remember to take pics of said damage.
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stop being a pussy and start wiring shit.
how do you think they taught us how to wire up a grow op? exactly they dont. you just do shit.
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I run a 30amp breaker on my Thermal Arc Pro Wave 185 and it has never tripped.
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6 gauge / 50 amp breaker.
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I run a 30amp breaker on my Thermal Arc Pro Wave 185 and it has never tripped.
Your machine is an inverter though. It probably draws 27A at full tilt.
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ended up getting 60 feet of 6 awg :P
doing it right just incase this works out and i upgrade to a better welder O0
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just installed the 220v... FUCK electricians.. this shit was kind of easy..
didnt even get shocked..
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64 bucks for an 11" x 16" steel plate 1" thick
im gonna look into thinner material
but ideally how thick should the welding table top be
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ouch
this bitch calls for 2 1/8" thick plate for the top :p
http://www.lincolnelectric.com/knowledge/articles/content/howto_weldingtable.asp (http://www.lincolnelectric.com/knowledge/articles/content/howto_weldingtable.asp)
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64 bucks for an 11" x 16" steel plate 1" thick
im gonna look into thinner material
but ideally how thick should the welding table top be
I like 1/2"+ for my welding table tops, but have done 1/8th over plywood, and 3/16th's over a coffee table a few times too.
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just took the welder and gas cylinder to the basement that was a bitch lol
i may or may not start welding tonight but i dont really have anything to weld on yet
tomorrow im buying vices// angle grinder/bench grinder and then hitting up a metal store for some metalllllllllllll for table top and jig making
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nice weld in the basement with no ventilation! that is sick O0
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64 bucks for an 11" x 16" steel plate 1" thick
im gonna look into thinner material
but ideally how thick should the welding table top be
I used 1/8" sheet for my table. It's not about the thickness of the top plate but more so about the quality of the structure. I had the 1/8" 4'x8" sheet bent 90* front side down back side up about 6". This not only ad's stregth to the thinner top. but also gives a back to the table so nothing falls off the back. I used 11 gauge( pretty sure) wall 2" square tubing for the legs and frame of the table. It's heavy and sturdy as shit.
I will see if i can find a picture.
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64 bucks for an 11" x 16" steel plate 1" thick
im gonna look into thinner material
but ideally how thick should the welding table top be
I used 1/8" sheet for my table. It's not about the thickness of the top plate but more so about the quality of the structure. I had the 1/8" 4'x8" sheet bent 90* front side down back side up about 6". This not only ad's stregth to the thinner top. but also gives a back to the table so nothing falls off the back. I used 11 gauge( pretty sure) wall 2" square tubing for the legs and frame of the table. It's heavy and sturdy as shit.
I will see if i can find a picture.
sounds like a plan!
depending on difference in cost in material well see...
nice weld in the basement with no ventilation! that is sick O0
basements have windows...
lol im using a small corner room with 2 windows (one of them is sealed shut) ill prolly just have the one window..
thinking bout a small shop vac setup to suck up the exhast :p
mount the shop vac outside and set it up to a switch so when i weld i flip it and ittl suck away the fumes and do whatever it wants with them outside :p
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It cost me $300 for material to build the table, and that included them bending the sheet.
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some stuff i was looking at!
couple of these.. (ss brushes)
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=66129 (http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=66129)
couple of these maybe (vice grip clamps)
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=1167 (http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=1167)
this looks cool
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=544 (http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=544)
cheap vice
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=1631 (http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=1631)
angle grinder
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=65519 (http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=65519)
kinda digging this dremel tool type thingy on the bench grinder
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=43533 (http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=43533)
another bench grinder
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=90022 (http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=90022)
in terms of just getting by i think im gonna just pick up some vice grips and an angle grinder and the ss brushes
maybe a cheap electric powered drill
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get a big ass vice
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=32116 (http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=32116)
belt sander
this ones ok, i wish i bought the bigger one.
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=93981 (http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=93981)
Bigger one
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=6852 (http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=6852)
big hammer (smaller like 2lb is more controlable)
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=6747 (http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=6747)
NICE gloves are key. (btw fuck tig gloves, and having multiple ones to switch out) I use these gloves, there cheap $14ish and last forever. They also conform and slightly shrink to your hand shape, this makes them even more comfortable as time goes on.
http://www.jtillman.com/products/?SKU=1490 (http://www.jtillman.com/products/?SKU=1490)
That is all forget the tony vice and dremel, just get 2 of the 4.5" or w/e grinders and have different grit pads/flap discs on them, and a air cut off wheel.
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another option besides buying all your shit from HF is watching craigslist for garage and tool sales. I picked up a sweet ass dewalt electric drill for $25 this past summer. The kind that'll break your arm from the torque if you're not paying attention
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another option besides buying all your shit from HF is watching craigslist for garage and tool sales. I picked up a sweet ass dewalt electric drill for $25 this past summer. The kind that'll break your arm from the torque if you're not paying attention
yeah i hit up cl every once in a while thats how i got my welder cheap but its hard to find someone who doesnt want 99 bucks for a god damn cordless drill
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metal came in just now and it was a bunch of buzzkill :p
i got 1 1/2 inch fittings and umm i guess the runners on the 4g63 are bigger than 1 1/2 inches?
what the fuck do i do with a gap this big lol
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you should measure dooder.
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I need to crimp the pipe in a vice and it will work fine.
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You worthless fuck, your not really this stupid? :?:
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I'll buy all your old stainless. 1/2 off
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Jay, figure out how to use that big vice. :yes:
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I see this thead going into failville!
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I see this thead going into failville!
It does get worse after ever one of his posts.
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I see this thead going into failville!
It does get worse after ever one of his posts.
At least he hasn't burnt down his house....... yet.
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Have you guys not been around long enough to know Buk?
Buk, before you weld anything to that head flange, make sure you are welding on the face of the flange and not the ass.
I hope you bought some straight sections to slice up into 2" sections to practice welding. Remember, bevel, clean, and two passes.
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Have you guys not been around long enough to know Buk?
Buk, before you weld anything to that head flange, make sure you are welding on the face of the flange and not the ass.
I hope you bought some straight sections to slice up into 2" sections to practice welding. Remember, bevel, clean, and two passes.
Haha yeah he did eat pigeon. so.......?
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You worthless fuck, your not really this stupid? :?:
no i just noticed that all these baller manifolds never really show the ugly ass bent ends coming off the flange :p
i never really noticed till i looked at a 4g63 turbo manifold lol
bought a 4 1/2 inch angle grinder.. some wire wheels for it.. wire brushes.. a curved file to "match" the flange to the runners.. and some cheap ass vice that im hoping will work to crimp the metal
im practicing on some straight pipe for sure lol
i dont have a bench grinder (ill buy one if this works out) so beveling is gonna suck dick
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will flanges really warp if your just tacking the damn thing
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Try it and find out. I can tack them without them warping, but when I was first learning I kept the heat on them for a while to get the tack to go. You need to stop asking questions and start welding some shit and practicing. That is the best source of answers you are going to get.
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thanks everyone
gonna start with some actual seat time tomorrow
got a bunch of shit from hf
need to go back and get a grinding disc to bevel with tomorrow
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Post pics of said fail attempts at welding
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Post pics of said fail attempts at welding
havent even started yet
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Post pics of said fail attempts at welding