:::RHMT::: Real Home Made Turbo
General Category => Forced Induction => Topic started by: theidealone on October 22, 2009, 12:22:52 PM
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So start of last season, I bought this turbo just to get my car back together for the season. So far, it was put through about 10k on a new motor, saw 10psi within the first 10 miles (same with the motor), was daily driven on 10 psi (about 10k miles on this new turbo/new motor), and saw numberous 20psi highway pulls, burnouts, and track passes.
I made 342/281 on 19ish psi, on my 8:1 static CR DOHC ZC, with a cast mani, and 3 holes in my intercooler. LOL. Oh, and leaking ching chong waste gate and BOV probably put more work on this turbo, than 19psi itself.
I still dont think Ive seen smoke from it (*My car has a slash-cut exhaust tube/crankcase pressure evac, so it smokes regardless. People have said the car smokes when its been idling, and I go to take off, but under normal load, normal driving, or full boost, it doesnt smoke)
Well, I pulled the turbo off today, to see how it is, and to start mocking up a different pipe routing/set-up. To my surprise this bitch is still tight as fuck, ZERO shaft play, and spins like it did when I put it in. I cant fucking believe this 190 dollar shipped to my door piece of shit has made it this far, and is ready for next year!
China is getting their shit together.
For reference, I ordered this turbo from
eBay Seller: CXRacing,
listed as: T3 T4 T04E Turbocharger .63 A/R Turbo CIVIC New Design
specs listed:
Inlet: 3"
Outlet : 2"
Bearing : Wet Floating Bearings
Oil Inlet : 1/8 NPT Oil Inlet
Flange: Standard T3/T4 Flange,
Swaps: 350 WHP
Working Pressure: 5~20 PSI
Compressor :.50 A/R Compressor
Turbine: .63 A/R Turbine
Compressor Wheel Exducer: 3"
Inducer: 2"
Turbine Wheel Exducer: 2.2"
Inducer: 2.58"
Hot Side: 5 Bolt Standard Hot Side
Picture of said turbo:
(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs1.promotionsupplies.com%2Febay%2Fcxracing4%2Fimages%2Fturbocharger%2FTRB-T04E-1.JPG&hash=af0fa68fc051298847bd3e50fb3f2fb4f047926f)
(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs1.promotionsupplies.com%2Febay%2Fcxracing4%2Fimages%2Fturbocharger%2Fau-TRB-T04E-1-3-1.JPG&hash=d130325060577c6772baa6c2615c362a8d361278)
(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs1.promotionsupplies.com%2Febay%2Fcxracing4%2Fimages%2Fturbocharger%2FTRB-T04E-1-4.JPG&hash=04526462cf81bb500ebddd3cc3c2016fed972b02)
And because Im too lazy to copy this image to my own host, so in case of the original being deleted, this is the turbo with the holes in the compressor inlet, like a Precision design.
Now flame away. Just thought Id share bitches. O0
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I've had nothing but good experiences with the ching chong meow turbos. Love'em :noel:
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I see them coming apart all the time. :(
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Buddy of mine imports windmills from china (redriven.net) he is bringing me back a couple of turbo's with him in December...
I will probably keep one and sell the others...
gotta love those gooks.
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I may have spoken too soon... Looks like there is oil on the inside of the compressor housing... Still nothing Im overly concerned about. I will still rock this turbo for next year, and when it goes, I will buy another CDM, just bigger. :)
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i have had good luck with Ching Chong turbos under 10psi. above that and they dont seem to last long. i usually get a few months at 15psi. i threw a cheap rebuild kit in my last one that went out and it held up a lot longer. its still good now so i have no idea how much longer it will last. could go tomorrow or could last 10 years, who knows
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looking for their forged rods ;D
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i have had good luck with Ching Chong turbos under 10psi. above that and they dont seem to last long.
This.
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hotrex is the only one ive seen whos gotten one to fail, i think he wasted 3 of them on his volvo. proof they dont last at 30+psi.
everyone i know who runs them under 15 psi last forever, and i know a bunch of people using them. theres one local who has one thats no lie, 4 years old now and its still in perfect shape and its been on a daily driver the whole time.
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i know a guy running 7psi on one with 40k+ on it.
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My only problem with Holsets is they are large and hard to fit on some cars. Awesome turbos in all other respects.
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Scott Evans has a few customers running ching chong kits, making good numbers (300+) without issue..on daily drivers..
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Scott Evans has a few customers running ching chong kits, making good numbers (300+) without issue..on daily drivers..
That's not what he said.
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You guys must just be getting lucky. Everybody around here cant get more than 3000 miles out of one, if that. One dude got a few thousand out of an ebay "super t70" and made a tad over 400. Other than him, I cant say I know anyone who has had luck with them. Although, I have heard good things about the 16g rip offs.
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You guys must just be getting lucky. Everybody around here cant get more than 3000 miles out of one, if that. One dude got a few thousand out of an ebay "super t70" and made a tad over 400. Other than him, I cant say I know anyone who has had luck with them. Although, I have heard good things about the 16g rip offs.
+1. I have a few friends who used them, and they don't last at high boost. One ran a T3/T4 egay special on a 240, it lasted 1 week and it was pouring oil, tons of shaft play, etc. I'll take a used OEM turbo in decent shape over a new china special anytime.
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Scott Evans has a few customers running ching chong kits, making good numbers (300+) without issue..on daily drivers..
That's not what he said.
Maybe he was just trying to sell me a cheap kit LOL.
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Scott Evans has a few customers running ching chong kits, making good numbers (300+) without issue..on daily drivers..
That's not what he said.
Maybe he was just trying to sell me a cheap kit LOL.
I doubt he'd contradict himself in front of you.
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got a 16g knock off on a 2g talon at 17 lbs but its only been there a week......hope it last a while :-\
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got a 16g knock off on a 2g talon at 17 lbs but its only been there a week......hope it last a while :-\
I know of two in action, one of them's been on an 11.5:1 LS with 403 cams for 6-8 months now at the 18 psi (tapering to 12-13 due to internal gate failure).
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JD you know what the shaft seal type is on MHI turbos? I've never had one in front of me to rip apart. I can only guess they use a design in those 16g copies that is more suitable to shitty machining jobs vs the dynamic piston ring in a t3/t4 copy. Maybe some sort of carbon seal?
BTW do you nogs know if they actually balanced them, or at least made it look like it? Are there any ground-off notches on either end of the shafts (nuts)? That may be another reason for those 16g copies working.
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got a 16g knock off on a 2g talon at 17 lbs but its only been there a week......hope it last a while :-\
I know of two in action, one of them's been on an 11.5:1 LS with 403 cams for 6-8 months now at the 18 psi (tapering to 12-13 due to internal gate failure).
i hop we have the same luck. but ours keeps on trying to climb after 5800 because the flaper hole is to small
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CDM turbos appear to be balanced. they remove material from the hex head on the turbine side and they are all different from what i have seen. so, they either know enough about turbos that they need to be balanced and can copy very well, or they actually do balance. i cant say which though.
i dont think balance is the issue with them. all of the ones i have had go bad, the thrust plate was what went. i always get in and out shaft play and not up and down
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Meh, but the shaft is usually heat scarred where the journal bearings are in the few I've seen.
I think they are balanced, but the balancing gear is either halfassed or the person doing the balancing wasn't trained.
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I think that people just don't use a proper size oil restrickter on the cdm's
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I think that people just don't use a proper size oil restrickter on the cdm's
How so? I've seen them with/without, both fail when you try to push them.
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JD you know what the shaft seal type is on MHI turbos? I've never had one in front of me to rip apart. I can only guess they use a design in those 16g copies that is more suitable to shitty machining jobs vs the dynamic piston ring in a t3/t4 copy. Maybe some sort of carbon seal?
BTW do you nogs know if they actually balanced them, or at least made it look like it? Are there any ground-off notches on either end of the shafts (nuts)? That may be another reason for those 16g copies working.
MHI td05 use a steel piston ring type seal.
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i use a 1/16" restrictor on mine and it took a dump daily driving at 15psi after 4-5 months each.
still waiting to see how long my rebuild lasts on the first one i had. still at 15psi daily driving and the same restrictor.
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Ive had mine for 11k @ 17psi. Its the same one in the picture. Im using the feedline and restricter it came with and havent had any problems. Blasstperformance rebuilds these things for $260 so if it decided to shit on me il have it repaired
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or just buy a new one for that price, and repeat
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yea, you could buy 2 turbos at that price or one holset with change left over
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I have a tiny ass restrictor (probably 1/16th), and oil pushing is the only issue Im seeing with this one.
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Ive had mine for 11k @ 17psi. Its the same one in the picture. Im using the feedline and restricter it came with and havent had any problems. Blasstperformance rebuilds these things for $260 so if it decided to shit on me il have it repaired
Been using a sutper t-70 from our old ss autochrome on my diesel doing regulary 25psi last 2 years still working great no smoke except the black the my deisel produces.
There good for a setup and run it to see how it goes then look for a better one while beating on it. Thats my 2 cents
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So you are saying that cheap Chinese shit sometimes works and sometimes doesn't? ZOMG!
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So you are saying that cheap Chinese shit sometimes works and sometimes doesn't? ZOMG!
No, we were more or less hinting at you being a huge flaming cock mongering homosexual :mexi:
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I have a tiny ass restrictor (probably 1/16th), and oil pushing is the only issue Im seeing with this one.
Pushing oil = engine damage. Detonation, preignition, ring seal. Thinking that it's "the only issue" with your setup is you being a huge flaming cock mongering homosexual. :mexi:
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I have a tiny ass restrictor (probably 1/16th), and oil pushing is the only issue Im seeing with this one.
Pushing oil = engine damage. Detonation, preignition, ring seal. Thinking that it's "the only issue" with your setup is you being a huge flaming cock mongering homosexual. :mexi:
I meant pushing oil past the turbo or center housing seals...
Sorry grand master wizard, for my lack of knowledge when it comes to your technical jargon.
Thanks for correction O0
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It's okay to tell me to fuck myself, sir. O0
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LOLZ.
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Well...
Mine is working awesome.
23-28 psi no issues.... (whether its productive at those psi who fucking knows)
It rips, it roars, it makes my wagon go fast.
No oil leaks, no smoke. Running since march(?)
It has taken the 3250lbs wagon to 110mph in the 1/4 so far.
On the street it feels much faster. But doesnt it always. haha.
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So you are saying that cheap Chinese shit sometimes works and sometimes doesn't? ZOMG!
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I think one of these ching chong turbos would be worth it if you can throw some garrett bearings and seals in when it takes a shit..
kind of like ching chong wastegate with a tial diaphragm. works like a charm for me!
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Ive seen four of them blow out the oil seal at idle before I could even get to drive the car.
some had an oil restrictor some didn't. the average honda kid is so fucking dumb You tell them ok your turbo has blown seals so call me back when you have it fixed or a new turbo.
then they call you back to retune and they went tto the same ebay auction and bought the same turbo again and it fails again :yes:
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i rock a cxracing 16g copy, only pushing 11psi because of a shitty wastegate, or how it is mounted causing it to bind and stick open.
but ive ran about 10,000mi so far
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I think one of these ching chong turbos would be worth it if you can throw some garrett bearings and seals in when it takes a shit..
kind of like ching chong wastegate with a tial diaphragm. works like a charm for me!
you can put garret stuff in them.
i am running one with a cheap chinese rebuild kit and it has been great. so far it has lasted as long as each one did originally and no shaft play or anything now.
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my evans performance turbo is pushing oil into the intake side
not out the exhuast
it got to the point where it was blowing smoke
but guess what
cuase the oil was going in with the air
got my chinise rebuild kit right here
gonna see how that works today
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My turbo does the same thing, oil in the compressor housing and in all my charge pipes. the thing has done it since pretty much day 1, with a restricor and a nice 10an drain line. I had the turbo rebuilt by blaast, and when It came back it still does the same exact thing. I will be running china turbo's or a holset from now on
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i got a oil restrictor also
and a -8an drain
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Drove my ebay turbo around Mt St Helens yesterday! 285 miles. 100plus of those miles was pretty badass. I have never had that long of a drive at high rpms! Drove FS25 and FS99 (the letters change depending upon map, #s don't). Went with a big subaru cruise. Bombed the shit out of those awesome roads.
And the turbo?
AWESOME. Other than not spooling low, which we all know is impossible, it was great. Really happy with it. The longest run I did was about 45 miles of curvy shit wet roads at about 80% of ability (don't want to die quite yet) on the way back home.
NO oil leaks
NO weird noises
NO Nuthing but good boost.
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ive seen em last for over a year at lower boost and i used to chew through one a month on my volvo at 30 plus psi of boost. its hit or miss. worth the chance for the money though. they seem to make descent power
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It all depends on how bad the turbo is beat on.
I recently tuned an a20 with a chinese turbo. He's been running the same turbo for nearly 2 years now without ever really getting on it too much because he never had the car tuned. 1 week after I tune it, it starts smoking and blowing oil out the seals because he felt the need to hurt the feelings of some mustang owners during the weekend races.
We just rebuilt it the other day with an ebay kit and hope it lasts another 2 years.
Another thing I've noticed, besides them blowing seals is that they don't perform anywhere near what their true counterparts do. A buddy had a chinese 57 trim, then later got a garret 57 trim with all other specs being identical and the difference was night and day.
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So you are saying that cheap Chinese shit sometimes works and sometimes doesn't? ZOMG!
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^I have a feeling, if I met you in person, I would have this magnified urge to chop you in the throat....
Weird.
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^I have a feeling, if I met you in person, I would have this magnified urge to chop you in the throat....
Weird.
Yeah, it's pretty wierd that you have the urge to touch another man and feel the need to advertise it.
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^I have a feeling, if I met you in person, I would have this magnified urge to chop you in the throat....
Weird.
I'm sorry if you're fucking retarded and can't appreciate how stupid this thread is. I've been around long enough to know that eBay turbos will forever be hit or miss. Anything that needs to spin at 80,000rpm and withstand temperatures over 1200*F while being oil lubricated from an outside source needs to be built by something better than what the typical Chinese slave shop offers.
So continue to be a simpleton that doesn't understand that. I, on the other hand, will continue to cut through the bullshit.
So you are saying that cheap Chinese shit sometimes works and sometimes doesn't? ZOMG!
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Eh, go kill yourself.
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So you are saying that cheap Chinese shit sometimes works and sometimes doesn't? ZOMG!
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So you are saying that cheap Chinese shit sometimes works and sometimes doesn't? ZOMG!
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So you are saying that cheap Chinese shit sometimes works and sometimes doesn't? ZOMG!
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So you are saying that this joke is getting old now? ZOMG!
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This thread has gone from terrible to acceptable. Good job boys.
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I would love to argue with bigwig and scream at him for being a retard, but alas boys he's right.
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Fucking remove that shit.
You want to be a bitch? go to craigs list and sell it.
But more to the point...
My Ebay T3T4 is fucking awesome lately.
On my AWD/2WD =1 spins in front/1spins in rear
since I have no lsd, I was spinning 1st, 2nd
ANNNNNDDDDDD 3rd on a wet pavement. Yes I admit wet pavement.
but still, better traction than anyone else!
Its hitting boost @ 4000-4300 (24 psi) and damn, its fucking
winter, no more drag days till march.
gonna try to get some vids tommorrow if I can get my young 18 year old
gay boy to get in the front seat with me.
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Still happy!!!! Although I wouldn't mind replacing with gt30.
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So you are saying that this joke is getting old now? ZOMG!
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WOW im late on this thread ---- but i have had the ching chong turbo thats on my b20 vtec turbo pushing 342hp on 9psi ..well i have used this turbo on my old gsr also but anyways i have been useing my ching chong turbo for a lil over 5 years no and i have nothing to say but good things about it :) B20 + vtec + ching chong turbo = POWA lol
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So you are saying that this joke is getting old now? ZOMG!
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So you are saying that this joke is getting old now? ZOMG!
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I love how your intent is to kill the thread, and you fail. :)
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So you are saying that this joke is getting old now? ZOMG!
So you are saying that this joke is getting old now? ZOMG!
So you are saying that this joke is getting old now? ZOMG!
So you are saying that this joke is getting old now? ZOMG!
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So you are saying that this joke is getting old now? ZOMG!
So you are saying that this joke is getting old now? ZOMG!
So you are saying that this joke is getting old now? ZOMG!
Threat Bombing was never so much fun ZOMG!
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My egay turbo didnt last more than 4 months on 16-18psi, was a T3/T04e 57 trim
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best sig ever.
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best sig ever.
+1
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Agreed! Who is that bitch?
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best sig ever.
+1
Your sig/avatar made me think of this.
Patrick Stewart on Extras (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fg_cwI1Xj4M#normal)
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Im about to order a full Turbo kit from E Gay and im hoping for good things with it. :D
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Im about to order a full Turbo kit from E Gay and im hoping for good things with it. :D
Why the hell did you bump this worthless thread to do an improper first post? Die in a fire.
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Im about to order a full Turbo kit from E Gay and im hoping for good things with it. :D
Why the hell did you bump this worthless thread to do an improper first post? Die in a fire.
Well im at work, When I get home I will do it the right way. But go fuck yourself while you watch me fuck your mom. :yes:
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Im about to order a full Turbo kit from E Gay and im hoping for good things with it. :D
thats great
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lol b&
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My T3/T4 ebay special is finally dying. But I blame it on running 26-28 psi and then blowing the fuck out of #4 cylinder and running huge amounts of water contaminated oil through it down the 1/4 mile....
Still works awesome though! Just smokes on occasional deccelleration.
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Fuckin SRSLY? :-\
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so my evans performance turbo totaly died
it was making funny noises
i took it out and the compresser wheel was all chewed up and it had 10 mm of shaft play (yes 1cm)
i replaced it with a ebay t70 turbo!!
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Well, it is still boosting to 25psi or so. I can live with the very occasional smoke for now.....
Gonna take it to the track this coming weekend and see how the new motor holds up....
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so my evans performance turbo totaly died
it was making funny noises
i took it out and the compresser wheel was all chewed up and it had 10 mm of shaft play (yes 1cm)
i replaced it with a ebay t70 turbo!!
Supra dudes and nissan six shooter dudes love the $200 and under t70.
No bullshit.
I think it's a good recommendation to atleast send the new turbo off to get balanced.
Could be an indication as to why they fail at higher boost? Shitty balancing leads to bearings eating themselves to death and then wheels hitting housings. Lack of oil and shitty workmanship will do that to but you get what i'm saying.....
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so my evans performance turbo totaly died
it was making funny noises
i took it out and the compresser wheel was all chewed up and it had 10 mm of shaft play (yes 1cm)
i replaced it with a ebay t70 turbo!!
Supra dudes and nissan six shooter dudes love the $200 and under t70.
No bullshit.
I too have also heard this, a buddy of mine is running two of these things on his twin turbo carbed 70s T/A. Ran 9s iirc
I think it's a good recommendation to atleast send the new turbo off to get balanced.
Could be an indication as to why they fail at higher boost? Shitty balancing leads to bearings eating themselves to death and then wheels hitting housings. Lack of oil and shitty workmanship will do that to but you get what i'm saying.....
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This is the worst thread ever on this site. You've managed to tell me something anyone with common sense has known for 10 years. Amazing how the information hasn't changed a lick.
eBay turbos are hit or miss. Sometimes they work great, sometimes they fail immediately. The build quality and quality control on them is completely hit or miss. Turbos spin fast and are subject pretty harsh conditions. Suggesting some $200 unit from China is equal to a properly engineered part that costs $600 is insane. If you want a $200 turbo, go buy a used one, or throw the dice and see what you get from eBay.
In the end, if you idiots continue to discuss this topic, it just shows your level of stupidity. It should be completely obvious to anyone with any common sense that if you want these turbos to be more reliable, you should check to make sure they are within proper specs. It's old news. Why is rebuilding an OBX LSD logical, but checking the specs on a $200 chinese turbo a new thought?
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wat
A diff only spins (it's gears, internally) a little here and there, and the case rotates at just 2k RPM for a short time at the end of a full pass (24" slick, 130mph+). A turbo will spin a few thousand at idle, and winds-up near 100k rpm a several times per pass, and for most of that 1/4 mile.
I vote for $670 real Garrett 50trim t3/t04e stg3 with a .78ar divided ATP housing. aptuning.net is where I'm ordering mine next week. FYI they're really cheap on lots of other things too, hopefully they pan out for me.
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real Garrett
/thread
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Small Holset H1C
/thread
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Small Holset H1C
/thread
real Holset, or china Holset? If china, I hereby revoke your /thread.
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good thing I didnt spend any money on a new REAL turbo...
Still running strong after 8 runs at the strip...
No traction with my shitty tires... 13.xx @ 116.xx
While there is definate shaft play, it now smokes less?
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Even good turbos smoke if there are oil temp problems, it thins the oil out. Does the smoking problem vary with the engine being heatsoaked?
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I did switch to 5w50 oil, maybe that is helping...
drove 110 miles today Portland to Lincoln city and got on it a bit, only smoked twice,.
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Small Holset H1C
/thread
real Holset, or china Holset? If china, I hereby revoke your /thread.
Only real sir.
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Small Holset H1C
/thread
real Holset, or china Holset? If china, I hereby revoke your /thread.
Only real sir.
Sir, I re-award you your /thread, and give you two fist pumps and (if we ever meet) I'm buying the first round.
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Small Holset H1C
/thread
real Holset, or china Holset? If china, I hereby revoke your /thread.
Only real sir.
Sir, I re-award you your /thread, and give you two fist pumps and (if we ever meet) I'm buying the first round.
As long as its draft sir