:::RHMT::: Real Home Made Turbo
General Category => Fabrication => Topic started by: dueyx99 on October 24, 2009, 07:58:46 AM
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somethin we rigged up today to yank the valve springs from a gsr head, only to find out why no matter how many valve adjustments it had, it would still tick, springs are from exhaust side. valves are also hammered to death on the stem tips. compressor was made with flat bar and bar stock from home depot
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By duanefab2 (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/duanefab2) at 2009-10-24
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Nice, I gotta make one.
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Another image you stole from someone else? :-X
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how the hell did you break 3 springs? thats odd, ive never seen that happen to a b series before.
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nice!
i use this one..
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I use this
http://www.euroexportinc.com/product_info.php?cPath=28204&products_id=44427 (http://www.euroexportinc.com/product_info.php?cPath=28204&products_id=44427)
Valve Spring Compressor Tool by EuroExports (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aq4YuHsCCuc&feature=player_embedded#normal)
Works fucking awesome and takes about 5 minutes to do all of them
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I use this
http://www.euroexportinc.com/product_info.php?cPath=28204&products_id=44427 (http://www.euroexportinc.com/product_info.php?cPath=28204&products_id=44427)
Valve Spring Compressor Tool by EuroExports (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aq4YuHsCCuc&feature=player_embedded#normal)
Works fucking awesome and takes about 5 minutes to do all of them
yeah but it doesn't work on dohc zc motors or single cams. using a socket and extension works on all motors.
and you want to explain how you can put them back together with a socket?
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I use this
http://www.euroexportinc.com/product_info.php?cPath=28204&products_id=44427 (http://www.euroexportinc.com/product_info.php?cPath=28204&products_id=44427)
Valve Spring Compressor Tool by EuroExports (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aq4YuHsCCuc&feature=player_embedded#normal)
Works fucking awesome and takes about 5 minutes to do all of them
Try working on a bseries vtec motor.. There is no room for anything, getting them out is easy, i used a socket and a hammer to punch loose the keepers, but putting the retainers back in is the tricky part. you cna buy the honda tool for xxxxxx amount of money, or use this bad ass tool which took me about shit for time to install ALL my retainer.
I used the sears spring compressor and i spent about an hour grinding off parts that were hitting the head or wouldnt let it fit. Then i spent 2 hours getting ONE fucking spring/retainer back on the head. Ordered this thing and had it done in less than 10 minutes and didnt break any spring doing so :?:
yeah but it doesn't work on dohc zc motors or single cams. using a socket and extension works on all motors.
and you want to explain how you can put them back together with a socket?
Try working on a bseries vtec motor.. There is no room for anything, getting them out is easy, i used a socket and a hammer to punch loose the keepers, but putting the retainers back in is the tricky part. you cna buy the honda tool for xxxxxx amount of money, or use this bad ass tool which took me about shit for time to install ALL my retainer.
I used the sears spring compressor and i spent about an hour grinding off parts that were hitting the head or wouldnt let it fit. Then i spent 2 hours getting ONE fucking spring/retainer back on the head. Ordered this thing and had it done in less than 10 minutes and didnt break any spring doing so :?:
plus its anodized and looks pimp.
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or try and use that lever type on the head with it out of the car, I had to bolt the head to the work bench, but before that me and my friend stuggle to hold the head down, while installing crower dual springs and using the snap on one.
after seeing that video I am buying one, friend bought one on ebay for $25.
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or try and use that lever type on the head with it out of the car, I had to bolt the head to the work bench, but before that me and my friend stuggle to hold the head down, while installing crower dual springs and using the snap on one.
after seeing that video I am buying one, friend bought one on ebay for $25.
Yea i knew i was going to need a valve spring compressor, I forgot how much of a pita b sereis vtec heads were, i got the craftsman compressor from sears(the small one) and it on fit in a few spots. googled some stuff up and came across this. Its damn near worth renting out to people. saved hours of my time. The kit even comes with the little flat head screwdriver with the magnetic end for the keepers
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I use this
http://www.euroexportinc.com/product_info.php?cPath=28204&products_id=44427 (http://www.euroexportinc.com/product_info.php?cPath=28204&products_id=44427)
Valve Spring Compressor Tool by EuroExports (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aq4YuHsCCuc&feature=player_embedded#normal)
Works fucking awesome and takes about 5 minutes to do all of them
5 minutes? you must have triple jointed spaghetti like fingers, but yes it does work well. I bought the same one and it was well worth the ~60 I paid for it. I think I have done about 5 sets of B VTAK sprin sets since then.
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I use this
http://www.euroexportinc.com/product_info.php?cPath=28204&products_id=44427 (http://www.euroexportinc.com/product_info.php?cPath=28204&products_id=44427)
Valve Spring Compressor Tool by EuroExports (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aq4YuHsCCuc&feature=player_embedded#normal)
Works fucking awesome and takes about 5 minutes to do all of them
5 minutes? you must have triple jointed spaghetti like fingers, but yes it does work well. I bought the same one and it was well worth the ~60 I paid for it. I think I have done about 5 sets of B VTAK sprin sets since then.
felt like 5 minutes compared to my 2 hours for a single spring/retainer.
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I use this
http://www.euroexportinc.com/product_info.php?cPath=28204&products_id=44427 (http://www.euroexportinc.com/product_info.php?cPath=28204&products_id=44427)
Valve Spring Compressor Tool by EuroExports (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aq4YuHsCCuc&feature=player_embedded#normal)
Works fucking awesome and takes about 5 minutes to do all of them
5 minutes? you must have triple jointed spaghetti like fingers, but yes it does work well. I bought the same one and it was well worth the ~60 I paid for it. I think I have done about 5 sets of B VTAK sprin sets since then.
felt like 5 minutes compared to my 2 hours for a single spring/retainer.
lol.
I did 1 set with a c clamp type compressor that I modified. After that episode I wnet looking for a better alternative.
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i take one of the long nose vise-grips, clamp down on the edges of the retainer and then put a rag over the end and push down and get the collets out.
oh sometimes they fire off at the speed of sound so watch your eye(s), hotrex take notes.
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I use this
http://www.euroexportinc.com/product_info.php?cPath=28204&products_id=44427 (http://www.euroexportinc.com/product_info.php?cPath=28204&products_id=44427)
Valve Spring Compressor Tool by EuroExports (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aq4YuHsCCuc&feature=player_embedded#normal)
Works fucking awesome and takes about 5 minutes to do all of them
damn that looks simple.
course i'll make one over spending the $65 though
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I use this
http://www.euroexportinc.com/product_info.php?cPath=28204&products_id=44427 (http://www.euroexportinc.com/product_info.php?cPath=28204&products_id=44427)
Valve Spring Compressor Tool by EuroExports (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aq4YuHsCCuc&feature=player_embedded#normal)
Works fucking awesome and takes about 5 minutes to do all of them
yeah but it doesn't work on dohc zc motors or single cams. using a socket and extension works on all motors.
and you want to explain how you can put them back together with a socket?
zipties
doesnt't work so well for aftermarket springs. They do the job for weak sohc springs tho.
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I use this
http://www.euroexportinc.com/product_info.php?cPath=28204&products_id=44427 (http://www.euroexportinc.com/product_info.php?cPath=28204&products_id=44427)
Valve Spring Compressor Tool by EuroExports (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aq4YuHsCCuc&feature=player_embedded#normal)
Works fucking awesome and takes about 5 minutes to do all of them
yeah but it doesn't work on dohc zc motors or single cams. using a socket and extension works on all motors.
and you want to explain how you can put them back together with a socket?
zipties
+1
The ziptie trick made me giggle when I first saw it.
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Also when you remove springs I like to use white cardboard under the head so you dont lose any keepers those little bastards are impossible to find if you lose them. The white makes them stand out nicely. This is if your using socket/hammer method.
I use the snap on copy and it works fine takes some time to get use to it though. The one in the video looks too damn easy I may buy one.
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Also when you remove springs I like to use white cardboard under the head so you dont lose any keepers those little bastards are impossible to find if you lose them. The white makes them stand out nicely. This is if your using socket/hammer method.
I use the snap on copy and it works fine takes some time to get use to it though. The one in the video looks too damn easy I may buy one.
They are fucking sweet, Chris. Installation is tricky since the work area is so damn small, but that is the case with pretty much all methods methinks.
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Also when you remove springs I like to use white cardboard under the head so you dont lose any keepers those little bastards are impossible to find if you lose them. The white makes them stand out nicely. This is if your using socket/hammer method.
I use the snap on copy and it works fine takes some time to get use to it though. The one in the video looks too damn easy I may buy one.
They are fucking sweet, Chris. Installation is tricky since the work area is so damn small, but that is the case with pretty much all methods methinks.
agreed
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The ziptie trick made me giggle when I first saw it.
Mspaint?
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The ziptie trick made me giggle when I first saw it.
Mspaint?
Keep the springs compressed with zipties while you install the keepers
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I can totally see that shooting retainer keepers into my eyeballs.
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I wish I had a head apart right now just to try it.
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I would like to see someone try with dual valve springs with the zip trick
Its hella ghetto but if it does the job.
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I'd just like to state for the record that, regardless of how well this thread has turned out, that the OP is a blazing faggot and unwanted on this site.
Thanks!
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nice!
i use this one..
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I use that one, while the heads on the car.
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if i ever need one of those B series jobbers, im going to make one out of steel.
tap kit and drill for the win
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There is no room for a steering wheel puller in the head ???
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Idon't think you have had your bear claws on a DOHC VTAK head before...
There really isn't much room to work let alone try to shove a tool in there.
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I think he meant to use the steering wheel puller bolted to the head instead of that aluminum bar stock?
But like mike reminds the bolt is angled to match the valves.
Anyone know the angle of b vtec valves? I'm about to flood my machinist with parts for a few jobs think I'll throw a few of these in it will cost me next to nothing.
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I think he meant to use the steering wheel puller bolted to the head instead of that aluminum bar stock?
But like mike reminds the bolt is angled to match the valves.
Anyone know the angle of b vtec valves? I'm about to flood my machinist with parts for a few jobs think I'll throw a few of these in it will cost me next to nothing.
I will try to measure the angle on my valve spring tool. No promises though.
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I think he meant to use the steering wheel puller bolted to the head instead of that aluminum bar stock?
But like mike reminds the bolt is angled to match the valves.
Anyone know the angle of b vtec valves? I'm about to flood my machinist with parts for a few jobs think I'll throw a few of these in it will cost me next to nothing.
and where on the head will he bolt it to? I am pretty sure when they make the steering wheel puller the did not consider using as a valve spring tool, meaning the bolt holes on the puller will not line up with bolt holes on the head, on top of that honda valve are at an angle not straight down.
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ya the angle of the vales is the prob, you could use that steering wheel puller idea, just fab up anotherp lpate that mounts to the head, with the hole drilled for the bolt at an angle similar to the valves
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ya that's true, another thing is, i haven't tried the pos we built with the head on the engine, may possibly need a few more holes drilled along the length of the handle to change positions and some of the length cutoff as well
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ya the angle of the vales is the prob, you could use that steering wheel puller idea, just fab up anotherp lpate that mounts to the head, with the hole drilled for the bolt at an angle similar to the valves
a steering wheel puller will probably be too big anyways, but it's no different in design over the $70 block of aluminum with 2 tapped and 2 straight holes
When you don't have access to equipment to make a tool, the cost is pretty well worth it. That and to me time is worth more than money.
x amount of money to purchase a product or y amount of time and z amount of money to make said product or something similar.
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ya the angle of the vales is the prob, you could use that steering wheel puller idea, just fab up anotherp lpate that mounts to the head, with the hole drilled for the bolt at an angle similar to the valves
a steering wheel puller will probably be too big anyways, but it's no different in design over the $70 block of aluminum with 2 tapped and 2 straight holes
When you don't have access to equipment to make a tool, the cost is pretty well worth it. That and to me time is worth more than money.
x amount of money to purchase a product or y amount of time and z amount of money to make said product or something similar.
exactly! when you work 8 or more hours daily plus school on the evenings and weekends and family, time is tight, plus living somewhere where materials cost more than buying the completed item, or lack of equipment, buying the tool pays off.
plus I saw the snapon knockoff on ebay for $45 same design as yours.
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I got a big ass c clamp, welded a socket to the end of it, slotted a holet in the socked and use that, bottom side of clamp on the valve, other side on the retainer. But dual springs in a B series and my 4g like that :)
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Good point, once i used a socket with the head on and pressurized the cylinder but it really really wasn't fun...i want ot try fab up that fancy aluminum one in the video, shouldn't be hard.
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hardest part would be getting the angles right.
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yeh .... ive got a few ideas to combat that but i dont see it being a big problem, not like it would be expensive if it messes up.