:::RHMT::: Real Home Made Turbo
General Category => Forced Induction => Topic started by: turbob16hatch on December 11, 2009, 05:47:57 AM
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Well it is time to post up my build. I have had this civic for about a year and had a ghetto turbo kit on it last summer and it has served as a good DD. Well the engine finally had enough of the no radiator fan and hot summer days and overheated/cracked the radiator. So i pulled the stock d15 and thats where it sat as of 3 months ago.
Well it is a 91' civic lx 4 door that has been mpfi swaped and obd1 converted using a boomslang harness ( pretty badass). The goal with this build was to have a DD sleeper civic that looks and drives about a close to stock as i can get with 250 whp. I don't like gauges everywhere, slammed cars, and engine bays that have parts that look out of place. Thsi is pretty much a test bed for my own idea's towards turbo honda's. I like oem looking turbo kits and installs so i try and make my turbo kits make sense so there will be no 3" charge piping and T67 turbo's running 3 psi AKA no honda-tech builds for me.
Car:
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Old turbo kit installed
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The desision to build the engine that way i am has all to do with me being a cheap ass and loving to build oddball stuff. The compression is not to much of a concern.There can't be any worse low end performance then the stock dpfi d15. :?: Pictures to come of the enigne.
engine D16a6:
- 75.5 ycp vitara pistons
- modded LS rods w/ arp bolts
- polished crank journals
- oem oil pump
- stock head decked and valve job
- Delta 272 cam
- 7.1:1 comp
stock D16a6 head, cleaned, valve job.
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D16a6 block, cleaned and bored/honed to 75.5 with .004 ptw. (painted black, yuck)
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Internals 9oem oil pump, modded ls rods, bearings, vitaras, Delta 272)
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modded ls rod
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Ls rod compared to stock d15b7 rod
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So for this winter turbo kit i will be running the following
- Garrett T25
- 1.25" sch10 "quick spool" manifold
- 2.5" turbo back exhaust
- modified srt 4 intercooler
- 1.75" hot side charge piping
- 2" cold side charge piping
- 1g dsm bov recurculated
- 680cc injectors
- walbro 255 fuel pump
The point of me building this kit is to have a very responsive street car that will have great power at almost any cruising rpm. Turbo responce being the key here i went with a small diamiter short runner manifold with a 2" collector. This should still flow well up top but give me some nice spool up. The T25 turbo i had from my old turbo kit and should work great on 10lbs. I personally don't like loud bov's so i plan on recurculating the dsm bov back into the intake to quit it down some, and also help a small amount with keeping the turbo spooled.
Turbo manifold:
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Well thats it for now, i will try to update as i finish up more things on the car.
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I Love It 4DR EF. :yes: Clean, Simple, And A Turbo D
Looks Just Like My Old EX Build :'(
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I love this. :D
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Much win in this thread, sir.
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Sweet build and its basic. ;D
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Fuck yes.
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wheres the porn.
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Shit Box FTW ...... I miss mine but it was a heap of shit compared to urs, idk how u can find a car that clean for its age
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haha the picture fools everyone, it got hit in the rear at liek 30 mph, and the door is slightly open won't shut 100%. also the bumper is crooked. but for $800 and 105k org. i will take it,
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Yeah i paided 800$ for my 91 EX off this carlots back lot. I was like hey how much do you want for that 4DR civic, he was like what civic we dont have a civic back there i showed him and got her for 800$ with 120k.
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Really nice, simple and clean. Who made the manifold, and how much did you pay?
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ME LIEK.
The 4dr's are fun cars for DD's, especially in MPFI form. I enjoyed both of mine, and they can hold LOTS of junk if you pull out a seat or three. I only wish I had used a smaller turbo on mine. That t25 should spool up very quick.
Only thing I'd change is the psi you run. If you really want a non-Honda-tack kit, you'll use a 2.5bar+ MAP and do at least 15psi.
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Really nice, simple and clean. Who made the manifold, and how much did you pay?
I believe the op turbob16hatch made it himself. check the fab forum. Should make a nice sleeper :noel:
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ME LIEK.
The 4dr's are fun cars for DD's, especially in MPFI form. I enjoyed both of mine, and they can hold LOTS of junk if you pull out a seat or three. I only wish I had used a smaller turbo on mine. That t25 should spool up very quick.
Only thing I'd change is the psi you run. If you really want a non-Honda-tack kit, you'll use a 2.5bar+ MAP and do at least 15psi.
Well what fun woudl it be if i told everything up front.... :noel: "cough" 2.5bar "cough"
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gangster.
srt4 intercoolers fit almost like the were supposed to be there. a little rad support cutting and the fit like a glove on an ef. we fitted one to my old 4wd wagon.
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Sweet build, man.
Why are you looking for a 60 trim T3 then?
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Because this is my winter turbo kit, I will have a summer turbo kit that will make more power then this little T25 can put out.
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Bump for engien pics.
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I Love It 4DR EF. :yes: Clean, Simple, And A Turbo D
Looks Just Like My Old EX Build :'(
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It looks nothing like the EF in this build thread...
Yours looks way shitty, this one is clean...Im failing to see how it looks just like one another.
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who did the work on the LS rods you had modded?
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local machine shop, they do good work. the bushings came from crower.
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mind me asking how much they charged?
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It was $140 plus tax. and $40 of that was the bushings.
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still not bad for a rod that can handle 300+ hp
love the build. i like what you are doing with the sleeper status
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I will have updates tonight on the engine progress with pictures. hoping i don't fuck up assembling the engine.
first one i have done.... ???
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Where are the update's? I love these cars...
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Where are the update's? I love these cars...
+1 :yes: O
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I will have updates tonight on the engine progress with pictures. hoping i don't fuck up assembling the engine.
first one i have done.... ???
take your time, torque everything the right way, prelube all bearings, and keep shit CLEAN. it's not hard if you have a haynes to help you with the order stuff needs to go on
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yeah i have both a Haynes and a 91' Honda service manual.
i screwed up a oil ring the other night and said fuck it for the night. have another on order. stupid mistake after checking clearances i rushed with the ring compressor and bent a ring. I'm an idiot.
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yeah i have both a Haynes and a 91' Honda service manual.
i screwed up a oil ring the other night and said fuck it for the night. have another on order. stupid mistake after checking clearances i rushed with the ring compressor and bent a ring. I'm an idiot.
ive done it before too. if it doesn't go in with a few taps of the handle of a hammer, pull it out and check to make sure the compressor has the rings good. it should go in just a little with each tap, if it doesn't then be aware
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Updates?
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It's Christmas, and I'm packing all my sisters shit sense she is moving half way across the country. No time for the car. We have a 28" semi trailer in the driveway and 8-12" of snow coming down.
LAME!!!!
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It's Christmas, and I'm packing all my sisters shit sense she is moving half way across the country. No time for the car. We have a 28" semi trailer in the driveway and 8-12" of snow coming down.
LAME!!!!
that is possibly the shortest semi trailer in the world
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yeah they hook up 2 of them, it's way cheaper on our end, as they can't mix other orders in with our stuff. but $1000-1200 for 5 day delivery to Charlotte, NC not bad.
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Well here is my little update.
Obd 0 d16a6 intake manifold that i clean up the ports on and polished the throttle plate. I cleaned it and assembled with my 680cc injectors.
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TPS removed from old IM and added with SS hardware.
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Here is the turbo outlet that i welded up. I made the 3 bolt flange and used an outlet tube of a 1g dsm smic. (btw hardest thing i ever welded as it was 3/8 plate to 16g with no room to spare for the bolts)
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here is the srt4 intercooler core i made new end tanks for. It has 2" outlets and mounts to the radiator support. still fits the oem power steering cooler.
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Here is a little shot of the welds.
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As far as i got on the engine before i screwed up a oil control ring. I'm retarded.
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Worst crank ever!
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might be a stupid question but are the arrows supposed to face the back of the engine with vitaras?
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I always heard the vitara's spun backwards and thats the way it's done properly.
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I always heard the vitara's spun backwards and thats the way it's done properly.
Thats how I have mine. ;D
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alright just making sure it looked funky at first
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alright just making sure it looked funky at first
mine point toward the rear as well. do some searching and you might learn something useful
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might be a stupid question but are the arrows supposed to face the back of the engine with vitaras?
Yes.
Pin offset is correct for Honduhs this way, and keeps them from souding like a diesel.
I read that on the internet somewhere....
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might be a stupid question but are the arrows supposed to face the back of the engine with vitaras?
Yes.
Pin offset is correct for Honduhs this way, and keeps them from souding like a diesel.
I read that on the internet somewhere....
True but either way it will work, it will just sound louder the other way.
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So now that you're back home, when you are going to finish this pile?
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Well not much of an update on the car itself but i did find my turbo i will be running on the "summer" turbo kit. My long search is over for the little guy.
Stock 300zx T3 60 trim, stg1 turbine .63 a/r housing.
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I'm still unsure if i'm going to run the .48 a/r or the .63 a/r hot side. Goal here is for a nice fat powerband with a 7000-7200 rpm redline.
Before this goes on the car i will rebuild it and get it all cleaned up. Also i will get a wet center housing to add some longevity.
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what a piece of shit.
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Worst crank ever!
And you're missing a piston.
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work on the mini ram looks amazing!
with how its of set you plan on keeping ac?
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work on the mini ram looks amazing!
with how its of set you plan on keeping ac?
I'm building it a/c compatable. I removed my a/c as it had a leak and stopped working mid summer. I will get it back in this summer and get the p/s cooler replaced with a more conventional "radiator" style core that will replace the heat sink tube thing thats in the way.
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work on the mini ram looks amazing!
with how its of set you plan on keeping ac?
I'm building it a/c compatable. I removed my a/c as it had a leak and stopped working mid summer. I will get it back in this summer and get the p/s cooler replaced with a more conventional "radiator" style core that will replace the heat sink tube thing thats in the way.
nice!
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any updates nog. looks like a fun dd, i need to get my crx done so i can stop driving my pos subaru wagon. i ran one of those Nissan turbos on my old integra. looks like a fun setup
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No i have some work stuff i'm needing to finish first. So it's going to be a bit before i update it.
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well i forgot my camera so no pictures. But i got the bottom end assembled and now i just need to get the acc. bolted up and it is ready to drop in.
All in all it went together fine, even though i was quite nervous.
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my vitaras pointed towards the t-belt. didnt sound like a diesel. honestly, it sounded stock even with super sloppy p2w
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might be a stupid question but are the arrows supposed to face the back of the engine with vitaras?
I did a right up on oHMT about the how the arrows on vitaras should face the flywheel because of the pin offset.
If you look up a vitara pdf the arrows should point to there crank pully which is on the left side of the engine.
vitata clockwise
d16 counter clock.
I like your build BTW, the mani got my pants all tight. ;)
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UPDATE:
Ok so i finally got around to working on my car. Here is some progress shots. Now i just need to finish my dp and get the car on the ground. then it's time to start it and tune.
engine:
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Engine in car:
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freshly powder coated vc:
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Vx wheels before powder coating:
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I will have another update later this week.
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Looks good, just get a z6 intakemani.
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Looks good, just get a z6 intakemani.
I used to have one, i decided to go back to the old school a6 one. Has nothing to do with performance i just thought it fit the car better.
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Paint that IC black
You get your LS rods modified at a machine shop local to you?
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Paint that IC black
You get your LS rods modified at a machine shop local to you?
You know i had thought about painting it, but I'm unsure if it will just chip and look like shit it a week. Any experience with them painted?
Yes, there is a really laid back machine shop in town that builds all the dirt track car engines (just don't expect anything to be done a few months before racing starts). It was $140 out the door for them.
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Mines painted with Krylon and it holds up swell.
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Mines painted with Krylon and it holds up swell.
Mine too. About once a year I give it 1 coat just to clean it up.
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clean build ;)
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Mines painted with Krylon and it holds up swell.
Mine too. About once a year I give it 1 coat just to clean it up.
Ok guys i think i will do it.
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UPDATE:
Well i finished the top section of the downpipe. This is my "o2 housing' sort of minus the o2. the lower part still needs the flex section and 3 bolt flange welded on but i forgot to run to the exhaust place and get material so that will be finished tomorrow. I also have the 2.5" exhaust started but i need to get flanges. Sense I'm making this 2 pieces (i hate one piece exhausts) i had to hold off till tomorrow, plus building exhaust with no lift is BS.
Do not insult my pie cut welds, there less then stellar. :'(
top section:
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top and bottom:
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Complete turbo assembly ready for install:
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Lower section v band weld:
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I still need to fabricate a heat shield for the turbo, but maybe i can fit that in tomorrow.
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Nice work nigger! O0
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your welds look hawt!!! But it needs mor flux core!!! :-*
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Fucking nice!
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cant wait to see it finished. its going to be great.
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ur pie cuts look great better than this
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wow that's rough. pie cuts to go straight. haha