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Re: holset he351 knows were its at
« Reply #30 on: January 13, 2010, 07:29:23 PM »

What kind of life achievement award do you get for a blue dash???

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Re: holset he351 knows were its at
« Reply #31 on: January 13, 2010, 07:34:36 PM »

I'm from the trailerpark, nothing tender about me.


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Where can I enroll?   ;D

Kick me your address.  As soon as Obama cuts me my first dirty white trash rebate check I'll mail off your Doctorate based on life achievement.

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Re: holset he351 knows were its at
« Reply #32 on: January 13, 2010, 09:38:12 PM »

Kick me your address.  As soon as Obama cuts me my first dirty white trash rebate check I'll mail off your Doctorate based on life achievement.

they said i cant graduate until i figure out how to stop the soil erosion from washing the trailer park into the river, or install a hot tube in my neighbors driveway, or some other feat of civil engineering.



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Re: holset he351 knows were its at
« Reply #33 on: February 05, 2010, 12:11:33 AM »

 :) :) :) updates :) :) :)



i've had it running for awhile, the other night i got the hall sensor noise problem figured out so now it can track position again. all i have to do now is write the control loop.




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Re: holset he351 knows were its at
« Reply #34 on: February 09, 2010, 11:02:08 PM »

i guess it's progress, but i'm too ignorant to know what kind or how much



i'll take your word for it
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Re: holset he351 knows were its at
« Reply #35 on: February 14, 2010, 04:58:37 AM »

Anyway to make it a 3-possition deal (closed, half, open), or have speed control? IIRC it would go from ~2cm to 26cm, which would be quite a big change.

Even if you can't, that's awsome work so far. I'm sure you could even market it to the people who still run vgt's on their trucks...
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Re: holset he351 knows were its at
« Reply #36 on: February 14, 2010, 09:02:49 AM »

SOLID WORK COCKNOCKER.  if u were semi local id have u wire my volvo for msns
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Re: holset he351 knows were its at
« Reply #37 on: February 14, 2010, 10:32:59 AM »

if you get this working, you'll make a ton and VGT prices will multiply by at least 2.5
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Re: holset he351 knows were its at
« Reply #38 on: February 14, 2010, 02:19:16 PM »

Damn OP your a smart mother fucker; now I demand you dumb this down so a nog like me can understand it :noel:

Edit I just gave this a sticky now dumb it down :yes:
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Re: holset he351 knows were its at
« Reply #39 on: February 14, 2010, 02:31:13 PM »

Damn OP your a smart mother fucker; now I demand you dumb this down so a nog like me can understand it :noel:

Edit I just gave this a sticky now dumb it down :yes:

I would have to agree.  :yes:
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Re: holset he351 knows were its at
« Reply #40 on: February 14, 2010, 02:41:23 PM »

it's basic mechanical parts being regulated by an open source electronic engineering controller (arduino) and a hall switch. you nogs scratching your head should go read more tech  :P

I think the actuator method Aero came up with is a solid nignog way to use these turbos, but adjustment in real time based on ECU readings is fuckin tits.

btw, I was actually going to use that same micro controller (adruino) to make a digital gauge cluster about a year ago.. the support behind that controller is unbelievable!
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Re: holset he351 knows were its at
« Reply #41 on: February 15, 2010, 07:09:09 AM »

thank for the sticky  ;D  ;D  ;D

i dont know if theres much of a way to dumb it down. im using an arduino to control a mc33033, thats about it. id like to ditch the mc33033 all together since there proving hard as fuck to get in small numbers, and that would simplify things quite a bit. but, i dont think the arduino is fast enough to handle the cycle by cycle current limiting thats needed to control this stuff, so right now im stuck developing something i dont want to  :'( .

once its all rolled into a library you can write code to set it up however you like. i think that using map switching/vtec output would be the simplest solution with the fewest problems, mabye not so easy to tune, your basically tuning an engine with two different turbos, but simple, and good for now.

i would think something like this could be done easily with the wg actuators that are controlling these turbos now, just setup some mechanical stops on the rack gear, hook the wg up to a solenoid valve that is controled by the vtec output, and thats it, rpm based vgt switching. if anyone has tryed this before id like to now how it turned out.

im writting the positioning loop now and im remembering how much i hate writing code, there pretty much cant be anything good on tv or i wont get anything done. i think it will end up with a control system that can control the vgt according to engine rpm alone. i really dont see another progressive control method thats any simpler then this. everything else i can think of would need to have its own corrections based on vgt position.
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Re: holset he351 knows were its at
« Reply #42 on: February 16, 2010, 03:11:16 PM »

i guess i broke all the embeds, anyway this ones not as boring as all the others,,, i promise.

holset vgt pid controller

if it seems a little tweaky, thats because it gets the position command from a trimpot and the metal screwdriver was making things kinda noisy.
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Re: holset he351 knows were its at
« Reply #43 on: February 16, 2010, 03:47:53 PM »

Fuck Yeah!!! Getting close  O0
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Re: holset he351 knows were its at
« Reply #44 on: February 16, 2010, 06:56:36 PM »

Fuckin tits dude, you will make alot of money off this shit!
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Re: holset he351 knows were its at
« Reply #45 on: February 16, 2010, 07:14:08 PM »

Probably not, but chickens have wishbones cause niggas got dreams.  O0
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Re: holset he351 knows were its at
« Reply #46 on: February 17, 2010, 01:38:33 AM »

Probsably not, but chickens have wishbones cause niggas got dreams.  O0

quotable...  :yes:
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Re: holset he351 knows were its at
« Reply #47 on: February 17, 2010, 01:47:41 AM »

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Re: holset he351 knows were its at
« Reply #48 on: March 09, 2010, 06:29:07 AM »

It's kidna self-regulationg in terms of the tune. If you tune it for a certain possition, say 1/2 open, more open will spool slower and more closed will have enough backpressure to create more reversion (richer and less scavenging). If you can control it consistently & predictably, then there won't be an issue.

If you were a real badass you'd have it controlled via backpressure & boost feedback. Have VGT closed for low backpressure until a certain boost is reached, then open at whatever rate or partial possitions works for whatever goals & motor you have.
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Re: holset he351 knows were its at
« Reply #49 on: April 12, 2010, 10:08:34 PM »

You can throw a cap on your ADC line to smooth it out. Solid work. What speed does that arduino run at?
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Re: holset he351 knows were its at
« Reply #50 on: May 09, 2010, 06:33:43 AM »

i really like the idea of this.  This is could be used in conjunction with a boost per gear or boost per speed setups, allowing the end user to monitor back prsssure, adjusting the vgt to achieve max spool while maintaining proper backpressure and/or turbo shaft speeds once boost pressure rises.Create a target VGT position level for each boost level, gear, and/or speed. 
 
I think it would be possible to have the user create a target duty table then use back pressure and im pressures in conjunction with a compensation table,   ie when back pressure > IM the vgt will open in an attempt to keep a desired (1:1) pressure ratio.


Nock,

    if your thinking if building a few vgt controllers, i'd love to do some testing.
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Re: holset he351 knows were its at
« Reply #51 on: May 11, 2010, 09:55:22 PM »

Aero said his gate opens at 10lbs and he gets alot more through the rpm range.  There would not be boost by gear, only an accelerated response. 

If your concerned about creep during cruise, why not run a dual port actuator?  It will reduce response a little, but eliminate creep in cruise.


I have 2 of these sitting here, I thought about doing all the controls as electronic, however, what happens when you miss a stem or 10 due to carbon?, you will lose your reference point therefore losing control
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Re: holset he351 knows were its at
« Reply #52 on: June 07, 2010, 05:05:11 PM »

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Re: holset he351 knows were its at
« Reply #53 on: June 13, 2010, 06:10:54 PM »

i've been pretty busy lately and have not got shit done with this lately. so i think the best thing to do is see if it will help others. this is pretty much the code thats running in the videos, i should have a schematic up soon but even thats not really complete because i havent build the current sensing stuff yet.


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/ set hall pins
int  hallAPin = 4;
int  hallBPin = 5;
int  hallCPin = 6;
// set motor control pins
int  motordirPin = 12;
int  motorspeedPin = 11;

//ISR variables   
int HallA = 0;
int HallB = 0;
int HallC = 0;
volatile int N = 1;
volatile int Z = 0;
volatile int lastN = 1;
   
//correction = Kp * error + Kd * (error - prevError) + kI * (sum of errors)
//PID controller constants
float KP = 3; //position multiplier (gain)
float KI = 0.04; // Intergral multiplier (gain)
float KD = 13.5; // derivative multiplier (gain)
//track the previous error for the derivitive term, and the sum of the errors for the integral term
int lastError = 0;
int sumError = 0;
//Integral term min/max (random value and not yet tested/verified)
int iMax = 100;
int iMin = 0;
//set analog input
int potPin = 4;
int currentPin = 0;
//
void setup() {
  // set hall interrupt
  attachInterrupt(0, readHall, HIGH);
  // set hall pins to input
  pinMode (hallAPin, INPUT);
  pinMode (hallBPin, INPUT);
  pinMode (hallCPin, INPUT);
  // set current refence to 1.1volts
  analogReference (DEFAULT);
  // set pwm prescaler to 32khz                                         
  int prescalerVal = 0x07;     
  TCCR2B &= ~prescalerVal;
  prescalerVal = 1;             
  TCCR2B |= prescalerVal;
   // set motor pins to output
  pinMode (motordirPin, OUTPUT);
  pinMode (motorspeedPin, OUTPUT);
  Serial.begin(19200);
}

void loop() {
  int val = analogRead(potPin); // read the potentiometerv alue (0 - 1023)
  int T = map(val,0,1023,0,300);// set the target to seek to by mapping the potentiometer to the encoder max count
  delay(5); //dont change this unless you slow down the main loop somehow, this is a basic servo rate multiplyer and is nessisary because the hallsensor feed back is such low resolution
//also, i have located the delay here and not in the PID routeen because you may want to enter PID from different points in the main loop, some of them needing less delay then others
  pid (T);
  //Serial.println (analogRead(currentPin));
  Serial.println (Z);
 

/*
//this is the start of the homing routeen, it dosnt work yet. it uses one of the arduinos analog inputs to sens motor current.
//the idea is to move the servo until it binds up a and motorcurrent becomes greatter then currentmax, at that point it will move the motor the other way until it hits currentmax.
//then if the number of steps moved is =>300, the vgt is clear and the current poistion becomes zero and  the servo is able to move relative to the control data.

  for (int Homin = false; Homin = true; ){
    a = a++
    if (a=10) {a=0; T=T++}
    delay(5);
    pid (T);
    if (analogRead(currentpin) > currentmax) {if (Z>290) {homin=true;}}
    }
  */ 
   
   
}
 
 
 
 
void pid (int target){
  int error = Z - target; // find the error term of current position - target
  // generalized PID formula
  //correction = Kp * error + Kd * (error - prevError) + kI * (sum of errors)
  int ms = KP * error + KD * (error - lastError) +KI * (sumError);// calculate a motor speed for the current conditions
  // set the last and sumerrors for next loop iteration
  lastError = error;
  sumError += error;
  //scale the sum for the integral term
  if (sumError > iMax){sumError = iMax;} else if (sumError < iMin){sumError = iMin;}

  int Direction; //determine the direction to go in since the adafruit controller expects posotive values
  if(ms > 0){Direction = HIGH;}
  if(ms < 0){Direction = LOW; ms = -1 * ms;}

  // map the result to the max speed the controller will expect
  //(not sure if this is a good idea)
  if (ms > 50){ms = 50;}
  int Mspeed = map(ms,0,50,85,255);
  // output Mspeed and direction
  digitalWrite(motordirPin, Direction);
  analogWrite(motorspeedPin, Mspeed);
}
//ISR functions
    void readHall(){
     
      HallA = digitalRead(hallAPin);
      HallB = digitalRead(hallBPin);
      HallC = digitalRead(hallCPin);
     
      if ((HallA == HIGH) && (HallB == LOW) && (HallC == HIGH)) {N = 1;} else {lastN = N;}
          if ((lastN == 6) && (N == 1)) {Z = Z + 1;}
          if ((lastN == 2) && (N == 1)) {Z = Z - 1;}
      if ((HallA == HIGH) && (HallB == LOW) && (HallC == LOW)) {N = 2;} else {lastN = N;}
          if ((lastN == 1) && (N == 2)) {Z = Z + 1;}
          if ((lastN == 3) && (N == 2)) {Z = Z - 1;}
      if ((HallA == HIGH) && (HallB == HIGH) && (HallC == LOW)) {N = 3;} else {lastN = N;}
          if ((lastN == 2) && (N == 3)) {Z = Z + 1;}
          if ((lastN == 4) && (N == 3)) {Z = Z - 1;}
      if ((HallA == LOW) && (HallB == HIGH) && (HallC == LOW)) {N = 4;} else {lastN = N;}
          if ((lastN == 3) && (N == 4)) {Z = Z + 1;}
          if ((lastN == 5) && (N == 4)) {Z = Z - 1;}
      if ((HallA == LOW) && (HallB == HIGH) && (HallC == HIGH)) {N = 5;} else {lastN = N;}
          if ((lastN == 4) && (N == 5)) {Z = Z + 1;}
          if ((lastN == 6) && (N == 5)) {Z = Z - 1;}
      if ((HallA == LOW) && (HallB == LOW) && (HallC == HIGH)) {N = 6;} else {lastN = N;}
          if ((lastN == 5) && (N == 6)) {Z = Z + 1;}
          if ((lastN == 1) && (N == 6)) {Z = Z - 1;}
      if ((HallA == HIGH) && (HallB == LOW) && (HallC == HIGH)) {N = 1;} else {lastN = N;}
          if ((lastN == 6) && (N == 1)) {Z = Z + 1;}
          if ((lastN == 2) && (N == 1)) {Z = Z - 1;}
    }
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Re: holset he351 knows were its at
« Reply #54 on: June 14, 2010, 01:14:59 PM »

Do go on.

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Re: holset he351 knows were its at
« Reply #55 on: June 14, 2010, 09:08:58 PM »

Apparently fleece performance now has a standalone controller for VGT
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Re: holset he351 knows were its at
« Reply #56 on: June 14, 2010, 11:12:25 PM »

Apparently fleece performance now has a standalone controller for VGT

They have for ~ a year.
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Re: holset he351 knows were its at
« Reply #57 on: June 15, 2010, 07:35:24 AM »

Apparently fleece performance now has a standalone controller for VGT

They have for ~ a year.

Yeah at $395 usd  :?: :-\  :o

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Re: holset he351 knows were its at
« Reply #58 on: June 17, 2012, 05:44:51 PM »

Excuse me if I missed this, but please post the code! http://github.com FTW!

Also, for reference: http://forum.diyefi.org/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=199
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« Reply #59 on: July 10, 2012, 12:58:38 AM »

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