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[chris]

too much info/help. Please stop.

[hotrex]

his power output isabout right.  my old b16a was 7.9:1 and it took 22 psi from a 35r to make 389whp.  its fail. get fucked

[Aero]

his power output isabout right.  my old b16a was 7.9:1 and it took 22 psi from a 35r to make 389whp.  its fail. get fucked

Was that at 66% throttle?

[d112crzy]

too much info/help. Please stop.

Thats what I was thinking.

[7808]

i always knew b16s were gay, all the little asian boys want them

[Minor Threat]

How did the other B16 thread get locked and this one still stay open?

[HiProfile]

How did the other B16 thread get locked and this one still stay open?

I forced his hand. In one stroke he both proved me wrong and still got his way. Checkmate, one might say.

This one may have some more life like a b16 running on 3 cylinders due to a split sleeve. There's actual tech here plus a mystery, besides it's not JD's subforum.

[Joseph Davis]

Zing!

[b20beast]

Im going to RE Check the Cam timing and look for boost leaks!

[Joseph Davis]

Zing!

[crxvtec91]

How did the other B16 thread get locked and this one still stay open?

Its my section I will close it when I feel like it


Seeing a fail boat b16 is full of win

[b20beast]

How did the other B16 thread get locked and this one still stay open?

Its my section I will close it when I feel like it


Seeing a fail boat b16 is full of win

why fail
i dont get it!

[Teg2boo]

How did the other B16 thread get locked and this one still stay open?

Its my section I will close it when I feel like it


Seeing a fail boat b16 is full of win

why fail
i dont get it!

Because b16 are worthless.

[Joseph Davis]

How did the other B16 thread get locked and this one still stay open?

Its my section I will close it when I feel like it


Seeing a fail boat b16 is full of win

why fail
i dont get it!

Stupid people have an easier time with pictures than they do with words... here, let me demonstrate why fail.







Any questions??

[b20beast]

How did the other B16 thread get locked and this one still stay open?

Its my section I will close it when I feel like it


Seeing a fail boat b16 is full of win

why fail
i dont get it!

Stupid people have an easier time with pictures than they do with words... here, let me demonstrate why fail.







Any questions??

it obviously looks like that because something is wrong.

[Teg2boo]

How did the other B16 thread get locked and this one still stay open?

Its my section I will close it when I feel like it


Seeing a fail boat b16 is full of win

why fail
i dont get it!

Stupid people have an easier time with pictures than they do with words... here, let me demonstrate why fail.





Any questions??

Why does the torque fall like that?

For some reason I think this thread is useful.

[b20beast]

How did the other B16 thread get locked and this one still stay open?

Its my section I will close it when I feel like it


Seeing a fail boat b16 is full of win

why fail
i dont get it!

Stupid people have an easier time with pictures than they do with words... here, let me demonstrate why fail.





Any questions??

Why does the torque fall like that?

For some reason I think this thread is useful.

bingo!

b16a usually peak later than where it falls off on my graph

[Joseph Davis]

Exactly!  Thus, failure.

[b20beast]

Exactly!  Thus, failure.

 :yes: :yes:

i will prove u wrong when i figure out my problem!
no worries!
b16a are full of win!

[crxvtec91]

Exactly!  Thus, failure.

 :yes: :yes:

i will prove u wrong when i figure out my problem!
no worries!
b16a are full of win!

Hahahah told you this thread is full of fail and win.

Do the following.
1) Leak down comp test.
2) Test all charge pipes with soapy water just in case.
3) Check valve lash.
4) Replace wastegate with another good working one.
5) Can always shave head to bump comp.
6) Change turbo.

Do one at a time in that order, do it in that order and you should find a problem if there is any.

[Joseph Davis]

Exactly!  Thus, failure.

 :yes: :yes:

i will prove u wrong when i figure out my problem!
no worries!
b16a are full of win!

Hahahah told you this thread is full of fail and win.

Do the following.
1) Get a rope
2) ?
3) Profit!

Do one at a time in that order, do it in that order and you should find a problem if there is any.

Fixed.

[bigdaddyvtec]

Its fucking obvious theres a flow restriction... Could be hes mommys worn out poop door, or the kit.

[HiProfile]

Also to be noted, i was racing the night after and after a couple pulls, i lost a wastegate bolt!
Im not 100% sure if i had any wastegate / manifold leaks on the dyno, but i didnt hear any leak and the bolt was in.

Look at the end of his 1st post I predict it's actually very simple. A hacked setup with no dump tube, no fire ring, and/or blown wg or turbo flange gasket. It sloooowly moves to 140 wtq, then shoots up to 190 wtq over 200rpm. That tells me it's probably exhaust leaking until there's enough flow to overcome it and build exhaust pressure.

Another problem that creates is a huge loss in power at whatever RPM that leak exists. It probably has slipped or mislabeled cam gears to compound the main problem.



If it was very restrictive after the WG, or open dump + tiny exhaust, torque will also shoot up right as the WG opens. Ask anyone who's played with a VGT turbo about that. 10psi & 28cm housing > 20psi & 2cm houing.

[HiProfile]

Because b16 are worthless.

I forgot to reply to this. I found some graphs recently that show some of the best stock motor comparisons I've seen.

One interesting example is a stock B18A1 run by an OBD0 ecu and a JDM "SiR2" b16a run by a stock small/smd P30. The tired B18A makes more power all the way to 6400rpm. You don't win races with a 1200rpm powerband, it's actually 80% the transmissiong's doing when it comes to a b16.

[Teg2boo]

FAB16LAB18A1

[bigdaddyvtec]

Also to be noted, i was racing the night after and after a couple pulls, i lost a wastegate bolt!
Im not 100% sure if i had any wastegate / manifold leaks on the dyno, but i didnt hear any leak and the bolt was in.

Look at the end of his 1st post I predict it's actually very simple. A hacked setup with no dump tube, no fire ring, and/or blown wg or turbo flange gasket. It sloooowly moves to 140 wtq, then shoots up to 190 wtq over 200rpm. That tells me it's probably exhaust leaking until there's enough flow to overcome it and build exhaust pressure.

Another problem that creates is a huge loss in power at whatever RPM that leak exists. It probably has slipped or mislabeled cam gears to compound the main problem.



If it was very restrictive after the WG, or open dump + tiny exhaust, torque will also shoot up right as the WG opens. Ask anyone who's played with a VGT turbo about that. 10psi & 28cm housing > 20psi & 2cm houing.

Uh, when the turbine or whatever flow restriction (ill entertain a cam getting fucked up in relatin to timing) takes its toll, tq doesnt magically jump up, it will fall on its face.  understand what your saying about the "smaller" housing making tq faster, but you missed the point, at least you sound like you did.

[Phate]

Because b16 are worthless.

I forgot to reply to this. I found some graphs recently that show some of the best stock motor comparisons I've seen.

One interesting example is a stock B18A1 run by an OBD0 ecu and a JDM "SiR2" b16a run by a stock small/smd P30. The tired B18A makes more power all the way to 6400rpm. You don't win races with a 1200rpm powerband, it's actually 80% the transmissiong's doing when it comes to a b16.

I tried to explain this to my friend who owns a new Si.  He got pissed that I said his K20fail was worthless, so I told him to race me, and we'd both be shifting at 6k.  K20's are gutless out of vtec, and new civics weigh as much as older accords, so the failboat kept up with him.  Point proven.

[turbob16hatch]

Because b16 are worthless.

I forgot to reply to this. I found some graphs recently that show some of the best stock motor comparisons I've seen.

One interesting example is a stock B18A1 run by an OBD0 ecu and a JDM "SiR2" b16a run by a stock small/smd P30. The tired B18A makes more power all the way to 6400rpm. You don't win races with a 1200rpm powerband, it's actually 80% the transmissiong's doing when it comes to a b16.

I tried to explain this to my friend who owns a new Si.  He got pissed that I said his K20fail was worthless, so I told him to race me, and we'd both be shifting at 6k.  K20's are gutless out of vtec, and new civics weigh as much as older accords, so the failboat kept up with him.  Point proven.

Thats the worst comparison ever, my friend tried to do the same thing you did. except he was in a del sol (mini-me) i was in my s2000. shifting at 6k it was somewhat even, so he thought he could beat me sense his and your logic fails to understand that the comparison only works when your talking to similer cars. not a accord vs new civic si, or in my case a del sol vs a s2000.

Btw, when i raced him for real i had like 10+ lengths on his car. 

[Phate]

new Si's weigh about the same as an accord.  I was trying to point out that high-revving motors with decent peak power aren't that great if you have to wait until some cars are in the next gear to make power.  It was the peak power vs power under the curve arguement.

[b20beast]

update
CAM timing is DEAD on.

verified with Cam Holders and Cams!
sorry JD