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Re: death to tryants
« Reply #60 on: March 22, 2010, 09:43:13 AM »

I'm interested to see what happens with this. I can't say for certain i think it's a huge waste of money and will fail to do anything. But i have my worries.  :?:

Also i still can't understand how/why health insurance is so different from car insurance? why are annual check up's and med's covered in insurance? You don't see your car insurance covering oil changes and other monthly maintanence items?

I always wondered why people were so angry at the insurance compay when they had a loved one who got cancer and died and they couldn't afford the care. Well if you had your policy set up for a "worst case senario" you coudl have asay a $5k-10k deductable and it would have higher coverage. but wouldn't cover all the small bull shit like doctor check up's.

and dental/vision is even more stupid.
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« Reply #61 on: March 22, 2010, 09:51:31 AM »



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Re: death to tryants
« Reply #62 on: March 22, 2010, 10:31:48 AM »

im having a trolls paradise today

this bill is a fucking terrorist scam, just like all the other "put the rape on the middle class" taxes and lies the commies have been bringing about recently... more traffic scams! more health scams! more illegals living off the fat of the land! woo!

only poor/uneducated people think they are paying mere "pennies on the dollar"

40% of your paycheck faggots, think about it - fuck these taxes, all i want em to do with my taxes is build schools and roads, fuck everything else
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« Reply #63 on: March 22, 2010, 11:41:57 AM »

It passed, bitches.   
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« Reply #64 on: March 22, 2010, 01:37:06 PM »



very bad day for the US. buy it might accelerate the collapse of the federal government. which may be one good thing to come of it.

total disgrace.

i wonder if this is the US our founders envisioned... where if you don't BUY a service from a corporation. you will be fined or jailed. totally anti-liberty.


i wonder if the founders envisioned mega-corporations that worship profit above all else, pushing them to offer as little service as possible for the highest price feasible, and are also regulated/overseen in government by their former employees/clients. (do some reading on monsanto corp)

i wonder if the founders imagined that the justice system they set up would so outrageously favor the entity that can pile the most cash onto the scales, regardless of right or wrong.

i wonder if the founders ever could have imagined the economy being so fragile that the people who didn't have health insurance, or didn't have appropriate healthcare to cover their exorbitant medical expenses, could indirectly drag the housing and mortgage industry- and with it our economy- into the depths of hell when they couldn't pay their bills anymore.

i wonder if the founders ever imagined that our economy would be based more heavily on finance (moving money around to make more money) than production.

i'm sorry, but you're a fool if you think this bill is the end of the united states. i find it humorous that the people who claim to love the country so much are the ones writing it off as being so ridiculously fragile.



all those problems are because of government. more government will not make this better, it will make it worse.

buying from a company = choice
buying from the government = NOT CHOICE


But you can't have it both ways. That's what I find so strange about the conservative/capitalist argument that the market will regulate itself- if you advocate companies having the ability to grow completely unchecked, you NEED to have sufficient government control to step in when things inevitably go wrong.

You didn't read up on monsanto corp like I told you to. Basically, they are a monopoly in the soybean industry. There IS no choice- you buy from monsanto, or you recycle your old crops and wait for monsanto to take you to court for patent infringement when seeds from growers next to your land infiltrate your crops as plants naturally do.

Who oversees companies like monsanto in government? Former company CEOs and officers!

If you want to deregulate industry, there needs to be at least one entity that is still large enough to drop the hammer when the absolute profit mentaliity corrupts, which it will inevitably do. The only orgaanization with the financial resources to compete in the legal system with mulitinational corporations IS government.

I don't see the healthcare bill as a handout, or trying to redistribute wealth, I see it as protection for people like me who have taken the initiative to get and maintain adequet care from having to foot the bill for people who didn't.

I don't disagree with conservatism completely. I would love smaller government with less intrusion, but that means regulating industry such that its still possible for it to step in when necessary. I would love cuts in spending that would make the tax dollars I do pay more effective. I don't think the founders ever expected the principle of checks and balances to NEED to apply outside government and between government and industry, but the necessity has become a reality.

I suppose much of this depends on your philosophy of ethics though as well. "Profit above all else" is in direct conflict with Kantian ethics (people used as means and not ends), utilitarianism (most good for the most people), judeo-christian ethics (worldly possessions above all else), buddhism (anti-materialism), aritstotle's "golden mean" (everything in moderation). I'm not exactly sure where capitalism falls, to be honest. Objectivism seems the best fit I guess.

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Re: death to tryants
« Reply #65 on: March 22, 2010, 02:17:07 PM »

If you ever worked for an insurance company you would know they, along with the doctors, are some of the biggest scam artist ever. I'm interested in how this plays out. Poor people who can't afford insurance sure as hell aren't going to find magical money to pay for it all of a sudden. I can GUARANTEE you this though; if I am forced to get health insurance I will rape it sideways and sell my RX's to pay for it.


insurance is nothing but a scam, but exactly how are doctors?

ever read an itemized ER bill?

doctors don't set the price for the services of a hospital
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Re: death to tryants
« Reply #66 on: March 22, 2010, 02:33:32 PM »



very bad day for the US. buy it might accelerate the collapse of the federal government. which may be one good thing to come of it.

total disgrace.

i wonder if this is the US our founders envisioned... where if you don't BUY a service from a corporation. you will be fined or jailed. totally anti-liberty.


i wonder if the founders envisioned mega-corporations that worship profit above all else, pushing them to offer as little service as possible for the highest price feasible, and are also regulated/overseen in government by their former employees/clients. (do some reading on monsanto corp)

i wonder if the founders imagined that the justice system they set up would so outrageously favor the entity that can pile the most cash onto the scales, regardless of right or wrong.

i wonder if the founders ever could have imagined the economy being so fragile that the people who didn't have health insurance, or didn't have appropriate healthcare to cover their exorbitant medical expenses, could indirectly drag the housing and mortgage industry- and with it our economy- into the depths of hell when they couldn't pay their bills anymore.

i wonder if the founders ever imagined that our economy would be based more heavily on finance (moving money around to make more money) than production.

i'm sorry, but you're a fool if you think this bill is the end of the united states. i find it humorous that the people who claim to love the country so much are the ones writing it off as being so ridiculously fragile.



all those problems are because of government. more government will not make this better, it will make it worse.

buying from a company = choice
buying from the government = NOT CHOICE


But you can't have it both ways. That's what I find so strange about the conservative/capitalist argument that the market will regulate itself- if you advocate companies having the ability to grow completely unchecked, you NEED to have sufficient government control to step in when things inevitably go wrong.

You didn't read up on monsanto corp like I told you to. Basically, they are a monopoly in the soybean industry. There IS no choice- you buy from monsanto, or you recycle your old crops and wait for monsanto to take you to court for patent infringement when seeds from growers next to your land infiltrate your crops as plants naturally do.

Who oversees companies like monsanto in government? Former company CEOs and officers!

If you want to deregulate industry, there needs to be at least one entity that is still large enough to drop the hammer when the absolute profit mentaliity corrupts, which it will inevitably do. The only orgaanization with the financial resources to compete in the legal system with mulitinational corporations IS government.

I don't see the healthcare bill as a handout, or trying to redistribute wealth, I see it as protection for people like me who have taken the initiative to get and maintain adequet care from having to foot the bill for people who didn't.

I don't disagree with conservatism completely. I would love smaller government with less intrusion, but that means regulating industry such that its still possible for it to step in when necessary. I would love cuts in spending that would make the tax dollars I do pay more effective. I don't think the founders ever expected the principle of checks and balances to NEED to apply outside government and between government and industry, but the necessity has become a reality.

I suppose much of this depends on your philosophy of ethics though as well. "Profit above all else" is in direct conflict with Kantian ethics (people used as means and not ends), utilitarianism (most good for the most people), judeo-christian ethics (worldly possessions above all else), buddhism (anti-materialism), aritstotle's "golden mean" (everything in moderation). I'm not exactly sure where capitalism falls, to be honest. Objectivism seems the best fit I guess.



good, reasonable argument.  unfortunately, it's wasted on Johnny
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Re: death to tryants
« Reply #67 on: March 22, 2010, 04:11:36 PM »

If you ever worked for an insurance company you would know they, along with the doctors, are some of the biggest scam artist ever. I'm interested in how this plays out. Poor people who can't afford insurance sure as hell aren't going to find magical money to pay for it all of a sudden. I can GUARANTEE you this though; if I am forced to get health insurance I will rape it sideways and sell my RX's to pay for it.


insurance is nothing but a scam, but exactly how are doctors?

ever read an itemized ER bill?

doctors don't set the price for the services of a hospital

Nope, and if you pay in advance their price is usually half what quoted - aka what insurance would pay for the procedure.

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very bad day for the US. buy it might accelerate the collapse of the federal government. which may be one good thing to come of it.

total disgrace.

i wonder if this is the US our founders envisioned... where if you don't BUY a service from a corporation. you will be fined or jailed. totally anti-liberty.


i wonder if the founders envisioned mega-corporations that worship profit above all else, pushing them to offer as little service as possible for the highest price feasible, and are also regulated/overseen in government by their former employees/clients. (do some reading on monsanto corp)

i wonder if the founders imagined that the justice system they set up would so outrageously favor the entity that can pile the most cash onto the scales, regardless of right or wrong.

i wonder if the founders ever could have imagined the economy being so fragile that the people who didn't have health insurance, or didn't have appropriate healthcare to cover their exorbitant medical expenses, could indirectly drag the housing and mortgage industry- and with it our economy- into the depths of hell when they couldn't pay their bills anymore.

i wonder if the founders ever imagined that our economy would be based more heavily on finance (moving money around to make more money) than production.

i'm sorry, but you're a fool if you think this bill is the end of the united states. i find it humorous that the people who claim to love the country so much are the ones writing it off as being so ridiculously fragile.



all those problems are because of government. more government will not make this better, it will make it worse.

buying from a company = choice
buying from the government = NOT CHOICE


But you can't have it both ways. That's what I find so strange about the conservative/capitalist argument that the market will regulate itself- if you advocate companies having the ability to grow completely unchecked, you NEED to have sufficient government control to step in when things inevitably go wrong.

You didn't read up on monsanto corp like I told you to. Basically, they are a monopoly in the soybean industry. There IS no choice- you buy from monsanto, or you recycle your old crops and wait for monsanto to take you to court for patent infringement when seeds from growers next to your land infiltrate your crops as plants naturally do.

Who oversees companies like monsanto in government? Former company CEOs and officers!

If you want to deregulate industry, there needs to be at least one entity that is still large enough to drop the hammer when the absolute profit mentaliity corrupts, which it will inevitably do. The only orgaanization with the financial resources to compete in the legal system with mulitinational corporations IS government.

I don't see the healthcare bill as a handout, or trying to redistribute wealth, I see it as protection for people like me who have taken the initiative to get and maintain adequet care from having to foot the bill for people who didn't.

I don't disagree with conservatism completely. I would love smaller government with less intrusion, but that means regulating industry such that its still possible for it to step in when necessary. I would love cuts in spending that would make the tax dollars I do pay more effective. I don't think the founders ever expected the principle of checks and balances to NEED to apply outside government and between government and industry, but the necessity has become a reality.

I suppose much of this depends on your philosophy of ethics though as well. "Profit above all else" is in direct conflict with Kantian ethics (people used as means and not ends), utilitarianism (most good for the most people), judeo-christian ethics (worldly possessions above all else), buddhism (anti-materialism), aritstotle's "golden mean" (everything in moderation). I'm not exactly sure where capitalism falls, to be honest. Objectivism seems the best fit I guess.



why is there no choice? because there is govt control over everything with people working in collusion.

government regulation is the problem.

you have the choice to buy from a company. govt gives you no choice... well actually there is one choice. pay or die.

all the problems you are talking about are caused by government. you are asking the government to solve problems it creates, and thereby creating several more problems.



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Re: death to tryants
« Reply #69 on: March 22, 2010, 05:17:47 PM »

Government is awesome, bring on the free money
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« Reply #70 on: March 22, 2010, 09:37:00 PM »

why is there no choice? because there is govt control over everything with people working in collusion.

It's called majority rule, Johnny. 

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« Reply #71 on: March 22, 2010, 09:40:32 PM »

why is there no choice? because there is govt control over everything with people working in collusion.

It's called majority rule, Johnny. 

only until next election, i bet
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« Reply #72 on: March 22, 2010, 09:42:26 PM »

why is there no choice? because there is govt control over everything with people working in collusion.

It's called majority rule, Johnny. 

Its called tyranny of the majority.

That's why we had a constitution do protect the minorty from the tyranny of the majority.
 
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« Reply #73 on: March 22, 2010, 09:44:35 PM »

why is there no choice? because there is govt control over everything with people working in collusion.

It's called majority rule, Johnny. 

Its called tyranny of the majority.

That's why we had a constitution do protect the minorty from the tyranny of the majority.
 
So 51% can't steal from 49%

We have a government that was designed with the intention of being overthrown, as a healthy governing process.  Shut the fuck up with your womanish moaning and load your guns, Johnny, we're all waiting for you to actually DO something.

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« Reply #74 on: March 22, 2010, 09:52:57 PM »

You're kind of missing the point on the whole health care reform thing there Johnny.  Its about getting everyone health insurance at a rate reasonable for their income.  Having a choice about things is nice, but the choice to have cheap health insurance should be an easy one.  Your constant conspiracy theory is entertaining though.  Like Yoseph said, why don't you get out there and start a revolution, guns a blazing? 
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« Reply #75 on: March 22, 2010, 09:55:39 PM »

You're kind of missing the point on the whole health care reform thing there Johnny.  Its about getting everyone health insurance at a rate reasonable for their income.  Having a choice about things is nice, but the choice to have cheap health insurance should be an easy one.  Your constant conspiracy theory is entertaining though.  Like Yoseph said, why don't you get out there and start a revolution, guns a blazing? 

So you have the right to other peoples money basically. Right?

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« Reply #76 on: March 22, 2010, 09:59:46 PM »

You're kind of missing the point on the whole health care reform thing there Johnny.  Its about getting everyone health insurance at a rate reasonable for their income.  Having a choice about things is nice, but the choice to have cheap health insurance should be an easy one.  Your constant conspiracy theory is entertaining though.  Like Yoseph said, why don't you get out there and start a revolution, guns a blazing? 

So you have the right to other peoples money basically. Right?

Fuck yes, especially yours!  :D
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« Reply #77 on: March 22, 2010, 10:10:26 PM »

You're kind of missing the point on the whole health care reform thing there Johnny.  Its about getting everyone health insurance at a rate reasonable for their income.  Having a choice about things is nice, but the choice to have cheap health insurance should be an easy one.  Your constant conspiracy theory is entertaining though.  Like Yoseph said, why don't you get out there and start a revolution, guns a blazing? 

So you have the right to other peoples money basically. Right?



Until you pick up your gun and do something about it, yes.

You're buying my kid braces this year, Johnny.  Get to work.

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« Reply #78 on: March 22, 2010, 10:14:06 PM »

JDIG = jd is gay

FAGOJON = fagojon

i know you guys are trying to grief me, its funny.

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« Reply #79 on: March 22, 2010, 10:15:01 PM »

LOL...  Good shit, RS made me laugh.
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« Reply #80 on: March 22, 2010, 10:16:42 PM »

we'll see how JD likes thuggery when i rob his ass at the dyno

I'll cut you stem to sternum like a rainbow trout.

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« Reply #81 on: March 22, 2010, 10:20:34 PM »

we'll see how JD likes thuggery when i rob his ass at the dyno

I'll cut you stem to sternum like a rainbow trout.

now i'm scared, i've never been assaulted with a crack nail before
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« Reply #82 on: March 22, 2010, 10:24:45 PM »

You guys act like the origins of the country weren't fought over.  This is just another major decision made with people on both sides of the fence.  It will have its good points, and its bad points, just like anything else in the world.

My stance has remained consistent.  I don't want a government run health insurance and I'm down for more affordable insurance.  This bill seems to offer both, so I'm optimistic.  I have mixed opinions about making it illegal to not have insurance and also forcing small businesses to provide their employees insurance.  If the insurance is truly affordable, people should be able to pay for it themselves and not force business owners to do so.  We should also just turn people away that decide they don't want health insurance once it actually becomes affordable.

I seriously hope the gov't doesn't think $800/month for health and dental is affordable.  I'm hoping they think $250 for decent health insurance is their target.  Otherwise their whole effort will be a total, utter failure.  We'll see.  As long as I get some of Johnny's money, I'm a happy man-child.
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« Reply #83 on: March 22, 2010, 10:25:12 PM »

we'll see how JD likes thuggery when i rob his ass at the dyno

I'll cut you stem to sternum like a rainbow trout.

now i'm scared, i've never been assaulted with a crack nail before

I've no idea what a crack nail is supposed to be?  Can you make any sense?

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« Reply #84 on: March 22, 2010, 10:26:15 PM »

we'll see how JD likes thuggery when i rob his ass at the dyno

I'll cut you stem to sternum like a rainbow trout.

now i'm scared, i've never been assaulted with a crack nail before

I've no idea what a crack nail is supposed to be?  Can you make any sense?

its your long pink nail you use to scoop and sort cocaine
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« Reply #85 on: March 22, 2010, 10:34:17 PM »

we'll see how JD likes thuggery when i rob his ass at the dyno

I'll cut you stem to sternum like a rainbow trout.

now i'm scared, i've never been assaulted with a crack nail before

I've no idea what a crack nail is supposed to be?  Can you make any sense?

its your long pink nail you use to scoop and sort cocaine

There's a difference between crack and cocaine, you blithering dumbass.

Can you tailor your misstated insults to the person you're attacking, or is saying random stupid shit your trademark?  On more than the political level, I mean.

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« Reply #86 on: March 22, 2010, 10:37:22 PM »

we'll see how JD likes thuggery when i rob his ass at the dyno

I'll cut you stem to sternum like a rainbow trout.

now i'm scared, i've never been assaulted with a crack nail before

I've no idea what a crack nail is supposed to be?  Can you make any sense?

its your long pink nail you use to scoop and sort cocaine

There's a difference between crack and cocaine, you blithering dumbass.

Can you tailor your misstated insults to the person you're attacking, or is saying random stupid shit your trademark?  On more than the political level, I mean.

JDIG
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« Reply #87 on: March 22, 2010, 10:39:19 PM »

What, I'm not a liberal fucking loser now?

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« Reply #88 on: March 22, 2010, 10:41:22 PM »

ROFLCOPTER

On another note- JD, your post count is looking particularly impressive these days.
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« Reply #89 on: March 22, 2010, 10:45:23 PM »

ROFLCOPTER

On another note- JD, your post count is looking particularly impressive these days.

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