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Sunnyjay

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Is there a engine building 101 sticky?
« on: April 13, 2009, 05:34:50 PM »
I have been reading a lot lately about engine building for the d-series motor. I acquired a helm's manual too for my civic. There are still little ends and oddball questions that I haven't found the answer to. I was thinking the more experience engine builders on this forum can write a how-to guide for the rest.
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Re: Is there a engine building 101 sticky?
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2009, 05:56:18 PM »
A tear-down and re-build guide would be nice.  It's not hard to figure it out, but it's nice to have everything spoon-fed  :noel:

I didn't consider all the little odds and ends and it has ultimately cost me much more than I expected.
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Re: Is there a engine building 101 sticky?
« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2009, 08:46:35 PM »
« Last Edit: April 13, 2009, 08:48:33 PM by ratcityrex »
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New setup is old bottom end with a hype r head with gsr cams. built lsv with hx35 @ 26psi on pump gas
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Re: Is there a engine building 101 sticky?
« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2009, 02:30:03 PM »
Those are pretty cool videos and almost has me considering building it myself.  I just don't have the tools and don't really like numbers that fluctuate (like measuring the cylinders).  I like stuff to be exact, so measuring that would just piss me off.
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Re: Is there a engine building 101 sticky?
« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2009, 03:25:03 PM »
Quote from: Jorsher on April 14, 2009, 02:30:03 PM
Those are pretty cool videos and almost has me considering building it myself.  I just don't have the tools and don't really like numbers that fluctuate (like measuring the cylinders).  I like stuff to be exact, so measuring that would just piss me off.

SO do what I did. Buy pistons that are .5mm over have a shop bore/hone, balance/blueprint, gap the rings, deck the block and wash it. Out the door for all the machine work it was $315 with tax. Assemble it and use the bearing codes to get the correct bearings and you are good to go.
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New setup is old bottom end with a hype r head with gsr cams. built lsv with hx35 @ 26psi on pump gas
LEED tuned! 434hp/329tq http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pbDXZxZdZs
http://www.realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/index.php/topic,16195.0.html

Old Setup B18a1 296hp/289tq LEED Tuned 20psi on pump! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Yj-Z90j4W4   
http://www.realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/index.php/topic,205.msg2437.html#msg2437

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Re: Is there a engine building 101 sticky?
« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2009, 03:45:12 PM »
I'm having a shop do it.

.5mm overbore, hone, clean, and assembly (crank, rods, bearings, pistons) of the bottom end for ~$350.
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Re: Is there a engine building 101 sticky?
« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2009, 03:50:39 PM »
I had my z6 block bore, honed and decked/milled for free at work.

I'm doing the assembling including ring gapping, notching the block, oil pump porting. ;D

Found site helpful : http://www.theoldone.com/articles/d_series_engine_building_tips/

and I read-up on D-series.org, and RHMT projects going through the pojects you pick-up little tidbits that helps.
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Re: Is there a engine building 101 sticky?
« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2009, 04:00:19 PM »
http://www.amazon.com/Blueprint-Build-4-Cylinder-Short-Block/dp/1874105855

Good book for a first time engine builder. I don't agree with everything they say, but overall, it's a good read.
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Quote: Originally Posted by Adam Hopkins
There is no such thing as too much boost. You could have too little rod, piston, or sleeve. But never too much boost.

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Re: Is there a engine building 101 sticky?
« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2009, 07:45:14 PM »
Quote from: Jorsher on April 14, 2009, 03:45:12 PM
I'm having a shop do it.

.5mm overbore, hone, clean, and assembly (crank, rods, bearings, pistons) of the bottom end for ~$350.

Smoken deal if they are gona balance it too.
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New setup is old bottom end with a hype r head with gsr cams. built lsv with hx35 @ 26psi on pump gas
LEED tuned! 434hp/329tq http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pbDXZxZdZs
http://www.realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/index.php/topic,16195.0.html

Old Setup B18a1 296hp/289tq LEED Tuned 20psi on pump! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Yj-Z90j4W4   
http://www.realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/index.php/topic,205.msg2437.html#msg2437

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Re: Is there a engine building 101 sticky?
« Reply #9 on: April 14, 2009, 07:51:31 PM »
I should have one with in a month or so. Just need to sell some stuff to fund it.
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Re: Is there a engine building 101 sticky?
« Reply #10 on: April 14, 2009, 10:51:45 PM »
Quote from: ratcityrex on April 14, 2009, 07:45:14 PM
Quote from: Jorsher on April 14, 2009, 03:45:12 PM
I'm having a shop do it.

.5mm overbore, hone, clean, and assembly (crank, rods, bearings, pistons) of the bottom end for ~$350.

Smoken deal if they are gona balance it too.

Don't think that includes balancing, will have to ask.  They are the shop that most other "performance shops" take their machine work to.  Found out the one everyone recommended that wants $600 gets their work done there.
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Re: Is there a engine building 101 sticky?
« Reply #11 on: April 15, 2009, 07:53:30 PM »
There is a really good machine shop here in town that most of the racers go to from my local track, and my moms cousin works there, and those dicks quoted me 850 for .5mm overbore, hone, clean, and assemble bottom end, no deck, no balance. That sucks when some are paying 350 and dont have family working there, plus i work at a driveshaft shop and i personally put labour into building 2 shafts for their car that i didnt get paid for cause it was sponsorship from my work and i was said sure ill help them out
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Re: Is there a engine building 101 sticky?
« Reply #12 on: April 15, 2009, 11:20:54 PM »
$220 for bore deck and micropolish

anyone can assemble a block its not rocket science.  the service manual tells you how to do it step by step.
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Re: Is there a engine building 101 sticky?
« Reply #13 on: April 15, 2009, 11:41:36 PM »
Quote from: danz on April 15, 2009, 11:20:54 PM
$220 for bore deck and micropolish

anyone can assemble a block its not rocket science.  the service manual tells you how to do it step by step.
Yeah, but it takes the right tools and the knowledge on how to use them properly. And if you're building an engine for boost, then you will not build it "to spec" per se. A machinist with a racing background will know what side of the allowable clearances to error to, and which ones to change to make the motor better suited for boost. It's not rocket science, but it's not just turning wrenches either.
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Quote: Originally Posted by Adam Hopkins
There is no such thing as too much boost. You could have too little rod, piston, or sleeve. But never too much boost.

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Re: Is there a engine building 101 sticky?
« Reply #14 on: April 16, 2009, 12:56:45 AM »
Quote from: danz on April 15, 2009, 11:20:54 PM
$220 for bore deck and micropolish

anyone can assemble a block its not rocket science.  the service manual tells you how to do it step by step.

Yeah, sorry, for the cost of this swap I'm not going to let it be my first engine assembly.  Also I don't have the tools.  I could probably buy them for the cost of someone else doing the work, but, I'd rather leave it to someone with a little more experience.
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