Topic: Honda - the Power of Failure? (Read 5680 times)

Foowee · « **on:** April 19, 2009, 08:53:57 AM »

http://dreams.honda.com/#/video_fa

I want to know which one of these nogs did the oiling system on the y motors or fucked up when cutting the keyways for the cams... Probably the same guy that buys the metal for the k retainers...

junkyard racer · « **Reply #1 on:** April 19, 2009, 10:49:26 AM »

good show.

Joseph Davis · « **Reply #2 on:** April 19, 2009, 12:33:36 PM »

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So the screwed up D16Y oilling passages, intentional failure to fix the weak K-series retainers that drop valves all the time, CRV AC compressors that gut themselves, 01+ Civic front shocks dead by 10K miles, are part of a winning strategy?

Limited to 500 characters I could not delve into the other 3/4s of Honda of America's problems.

Joseph Davis · « **Reply #3 on:** April 19, 2009, 12:44:51 PM »

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Who can I call and speak to at Honda? I LOVE Hondas, but you are a company that has lost focus, and if any engineers still control the company they are cost engineers.

Your current technology/business plan is modeled after GM from the ugly plastic body cladding on the Element and mini-Avalanche er-Ridgeline, to the woeful and intentional failure to fix major driveline flaws. I can catalog many issues that did not exist when Soichiro was still alive, but I question whether you care or not.

$5 says I get nothing.

Conceptz-X · « **Reply #4 on:** April 19, 2009, 01:49:43 PM »

or a your e-mail has been forwarded to so-and-so department and you get nothing beyond that.

chris · « **Reply #5 on:** April 19, 2009, 03:12:40 PM »

d16a6=perfection

ratcityrex · « **Reply #6 on:** April 19, 2009, 03:51:00 PM »

Quote from: chris M on April 19, 2009, 03:12:40 PM

d16a6=perfection

:yes:

turbohf · « **Reply #7 on:** April 19, 2009, 04:03:29 PM »

Quote from: ratcityrex on April 19, 2009, 03:51:00 PM

Quote from: chris M on April 19, 2009, 03:12:40 PM
d16a6=perfection

:yes:

Ghetto_D · « **Reply #8 on:** April 19, 2009, 04:29:55 PM »

Quote from: chris M on April 19, 2009, 03:12:40 PM

d16a6=perfection

That nigger could run on jerry curl juice.

chris · « **Reply #9 on:** April 19, 2009, 04:52:55 PM »

Quote from: Conceptz-X on April 19, 2009, 01:49:43 PM

or a your e-mail has been forwarded to so-and-so department and you get nothing beyond that.

Honda wouldnt care if one of its head Engineers had something to say these days. The fact you can take a 20 year old transmission out of a junked 300k crx and take it to the track and beat the shit out of it says they know what their doing. When a stock k20a2 transmission fails at 60k and y blocks spit rod bearings for fun they are cutting costs plain and simple.

WE lived in a fucked up world of Greed and companies with Honest names have turned to the darkside.

bryantaylor · « **Reply #10 on:** April 19, 2009, 05:11:29 PM »

dont get me started on acura's. RL struts just blow without notice, MDX almost everything breaks, seen a lot of TSX need many A/C parts replaced, powersteering pumps fail on the TL even after the recall have been done, along with the wipers, and many more BS problems that shouldn't be happening, especially on 30-60k cars.

Foowee · « **Reply #11 on:** April 19, 2009, 05:32:50 PM »

I hear the squirts out of the mdx are good stuff. I wonder who makes them?

Jorsher · « **Reply #12 on:** April 19, 2009, 06:40:06 PM »

They won't be able to live on customer loyalty forever. People who bought their cars in the 90s just haven't completely figured out they're just like GM yet.

crttaz · « **Reply #13 on:** April 19, 2009, 10:07:16 PM »

Who is to say part of the oiling issues on the Y motors isn't in the head?

??

Anyone bothered to measure the orfice and compare to Z6 head.

Jorsher · « **Reply #14 on:** April 19, 2009, 11:26:49 PM »

Quote from: crttaz on April 19, 2009, 10:07:16 PM

Who is to say part of the oiling issues on the Y motors isn't in the head???

Anyone bothered to measure the orfice and compare to Z6 head.

I thought the y did have smaller oil-holes.

92CXyD · « **Reply #15 on:** April 20, 2009, 01:36:40 AM »

Which oil orfices I have both head sitting beside me. ;D

crttaz · « **Reply #16 on:** April 20, 2009, 03:31:56 AM »

Quote from: Jorsher on April 19, 2009, 11:26:49 PM

Quote from: crttaz on April 19, 2009, 10:07:16 PM
Who is to say part of the oiling issues on the Y motors isn't in the head???

Anyone bothered to measure the orfice and compare to Z6 head.

I thought the y did have smaller oil-holes.

"Quit thinking with your dipstick Jimmy!"

To the best of my knowledge, NO ONE has confirmed the orfice sizes. I know if you leave the oil jet out of a D16A6 the bottom end goes dry at 6500 rpm on 100 shot.

Robb · « **Reply #17 on:** April 20, 2009, 09:49:33 AM »

The Jetta my wife drives now has had fewer problems in 23k miles than her RSX-S had in 35k.

RSX
2 ecu's
transmission at 20k
cylinder head (overrev? had bent valves)
front bumper cover falling off
exhaust rusted (I live in the south wtf?)
front tie rod ends
radio quit working, got a $99 one
probably some other stuff.

VW
Fuel pump because it was taking 5+ seconds to start in the morning
recalibrated fuel level gauge, was 1/8th tank off.
23K miles and no MIL lamp.

VW will waranty damn near anything, and give you a loaner car. Where acura refused to give me a loaner, even after having my car for over a week. Fucking fail.

Ravage70 · « **Reply #18 on:** April 20, 2009, 04:23:16 PM »

Quote from: Robb on April 20, 2009, 09:49:33 AM

The Jetta my wife drives now has had fewer problems in 23k miles than her RSX-S had in 35k.

RSX
2 ecu's
transmission at 20k
cylinder head (overrev? had bent valves)
front bumper cover falling off
exhaust rusted (I live in the south wtf?)
front tie rod ends
radio quit working, got a $99 one
probably some other stuff.

VW
Fuel pump because it was taking 5+ seconds to start in the morning
recalibrated fuel level gauge, was 1/8th tank off.
23K miles and no MIL lamp.

VW will waranty damn near anything, and give you a loaner car. Where acura refused to give me a loaner, even after having my car for over a week. Fucking fail.

Your Acura dealer is worthless. Even Honda gives you a loaner.

Robb · « **Reply #19 on:** April 20, 2009, 04:43:02 PM »

Quote from: Ravage70 on April 20, 2009, 04:23:16 PM

Your Acura dealer is worthless.

Your pointing out the obvious. If the OEM's dont care enough to police their dealers, they dont deserve to be in business.

I agree with Joseph, the path they are taking is the same as the General. The point I was trying to make was that when VW makes a better product than Honda, something is wrong.

Joseph Davis · « **Reply #20 on:** April 20, 2009, 06:05:50 PM »

I'd own one of the 2.0Ts. For sub-$20K and the B-pipe unbolted I think it would firmly stomp a mudhole into a new Si with comparable luxury, kind of sad.

I just tuned another K20A3 w/ an AEM. It made peak torque at 6200 through a crappy china cast manifold and some 2" china charge pipe, world's smallest IC, and similar rubbish, 240 whp and 193 wtq at 5 psi. I think my five year strategy is to buy all the $500 nobody-wants K20A3 and K24x drivetrains I can lay my hands on and then sell them for $2K a pop when they catch on like D-series. They aren't the greatest thing ever, but cheap is a quality overcoming many faults.

E-b0la · « **Reply #21 on:** April 20, 2009, 06:32:42 PM »

I tried to get my parents to at least look at other cars, but they were stuck on buying a new civic.

Anyone know anything about the R series engines? I know after the 6th gen civic Honda pussed out and went with struts up front which fucking sucks.

Foowee · « **Reply #22 on:** April 20, 2009, 07:14:27 PM »

Quote from: Joseph Davis on April 19, 2009, 12:44:51 PM

$5 says I get nothing.

You can buy me a whopper too... I wonder who the moderator is, that let your comment on the page?

bryantaylor · « **Reply #23 on:** April 20, 2009, 08:56:49 PM »

Quote from: Ravage70 on April 20, 2009, 04:23:16 PM

Your Acura dealer is worthless. Even Honda gives you a loaner.

this

we have given loaners for oil changes before.

Conceptz-X · « **Reply #24 on:** April 20, 2009, 09:06:50 PM »

Quote from: Robb on April 20, 2009, 04:43:02 PM

when VW makes a better product than Honda, something is wrong.

Ouch!

Quote from: bryantaylor on April 20, 2009, 08:56:49 PM

we have given loaners for oil changes before.

Here, they just give you the shaft, no lube. Columbus and Phenix City are Military towns and dealers think they can get away with anything for prices. Smart people take a 40 mile drive to Auburn-Opelika to buy anything

HiProfile · « **Reply #25 on:** April 20, 2009, 10:54:41 PM »

Who is that hot chick in the vid? I can't get over how fucking "cute" she is. Not bonalicious, but like stare at you on the bus cute.

I do agree, they need to re-invest on materials/metalurgy & their engineering "meat & potatoes" such as oiling & tranmissions.

crxtuner · « **Reply #26 on:** April 20, 2009, 11:19:12 PM »

Quote from: HiProfile on April 20, 2009, 10:54:41 PM

Who is that hot chick in the vid? I can't get over how fucking "cute" she is. Not bonalicious, but like stare at you on the bus cute.

I do agree, they need to re-invest on materials/metalurgy & their engineering "meat & potatoes" such as oiling & tranmissions.

Really? What about danica patrick do you think is attractive? Have you ever seen her walk to her car, she's bow legged as fuck. What else, you think its sexy when her hair is blowing out the back of her helmet, as she's in last place.
She's cleary a 6 at best.

crttaz · « **Reply #27 on:** April 21, 2009, 12:38:43 AM »

Quote from: crxtuner on April 20, 2009, 11:19:12 PM

Quote from: HiProfile on April 20, 2009, 10:54:41 PM
Who is that hot chick in the vid? I can't get over how fucking "cute" she is. Not bonalicious, but like stare at you on the bus cute.

I do agree, they need to re-invest on materials/metalurgy & their engineering "meat & potatoes" such as oiling & tranmissions.
Really? What about danica patrick do you think is attractive? Have you ever seen her walk to her car, she's bow legged as fuck. What else, you think its sexy when her hair is blowing out the back of her helmet, as she's in last place.
She's cleary a 6 at best.

A) she finished 4th this weekend due to pit stratagy
B) she is not bow legged
C) she is good looking, but a stuck up bitch. Atleast went I met her in 2004 at Bobby's shop.

Side note, Danica is so flat front and back that you can't tell which is which from a side profile.

Joseph Davis · « **Reply #28 on:** April 21, 2009, 03:48:54 AM »

imburne · « **Reply #29 on:** April 21, 2009, 03:50:44 AM »

Just how you sickos like em

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