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[Joseph Davis]

The one where dude caused drama?

[Corey]

The one where dude caused drama?

im not following? what drama?

[rsmith2786]

When I want to just go shoot i bring the Walther P22.  Nothing compares price wise for ammo.  You can get 550 rounds for $13.47 at Walmart.  I bought a military surplus ammo box and decided to fill it.  10 boxes of ammo (5500 rounds) and no real dent in the wallet.  That should last me a while.  It looks pretty sweet in the box too.

I've been out with it less than 10 times and last weekend was out shooting and I was surprised how accurate it was.  We set up a barrel at 150 yards away.  With a red dot my best was hitting it 3 times out of 10.  Not bad for that distance and my noobness.

[Corey]

When I want to just go shoot i bring the Walther P22.  Nothing compares price wise for ammo.  You can get 550 rounds for $13.47 at Walmart.  I bought a military surplus ammo box and decided to fill it.  10 boxes of ammo (5500 rounds) and no real dent in the wallet.  That should last me a while.  It looks pretty sweet in the box too.

I've been out with it less than 10 times and last weekend was out shooting and I was surprised how accurate it was.  We set up a barrel at 150 yards away.  With a red dot my best was hitting it 3 times out of 10.  Not bad for that distance and my noobness.

150 yards or 150 feet?

22lr hitting anything you aim at 150 yards out is unlikely, especially out of a pistol length barrel. that federal ammo you got from walmart even has a chart on back telling how much it drops at distance. shit drops like 12" at 100 yards.

[Toysrme]

friend had a P22 brand new, wouldn't reliably cycle anything he ever put in it & got rid of it. :\
im with corey, buy a quality 22LR for the range & plinking. just beware, it can be a chore to find a 100% reliable 22 semi-auto.

Don't shoot shit bulk ammo and you won't have a problem.  All the retards buy the P22/Mosquito (it's the same gun internally), buy low power bulk junk that the gun was never designed to fire, and then go all over the internet and say they suck.  Shoot high velocity ammo like the manual says to and you won't have a problem at all.

we ran everything we had between us through it. it simply had an assload of FTE's.

[LS1pwNzJ00]

friend had a P22 brand new, wouldn't reliably cycle anything he ever put in it & got rid of it. :\
im with corey, buy a quality 22LR for the range & plinking. just beware, it can be a chore to find a 100% reliable 22 semi-auto.

Don't shoot shit bulk ammo and you won't have a problem.  All the retards buy the P22/Mosquito (it's the same gun internally), buy low power bulk junk that the gun was never designed to fire, and then go all over the internet and say they suck.  Shoot high velocity ammo like the manual says to and you won't have a problem at all.

we ran everything we had between us through it. it simply had an assload of FTE's.

if a gun has FTE figure out why and fix it.

[5thgenlx]

Taurus 9's are nice. my cousins have three. shot em all. decent guns for decent price

[AWDstylez]

LOL   P22 at 150 yards.

[AWDstylez]

friend had a P22 brand new, wouldn't reliably cycle anything he ever put in it & got rid of it. :\
im with corey, buy a quality 22LR for the range & plinking. just beware, it can be a chore to find a 100% reliable 22 semi-auto.

Don't shoot shit bulk ammo and you won't have a problem.  All the retards buy the P22/Mosquito (it's the same gun internally), buy low power bulk junk that the gun was never designed to fire, and then go all over the internet and say they suck.  Shoot high velocity ammo like the manual says to and you won't have a problem at all.

we ran everything we had between us through it. it simply had an assload of FTE's.

Stop limp wristing it.  Clean it.  What you had between you was junk.

If he hates it so much, tell him I'll take his piece of junk off his hands for $150.

[Toysrme]

not my gun and its long gone for being a piece of shit.
im not saying all semi-automatic 22LR pistol / rifles are shit. im simply saying between the ammunition and the guns you can't count on any of them to be 100% reliable.
it wouldn't shoot my remington (yellowjacket, thunderbolt & cyclone, i normally keep 2 of the 3), nor would it shoot winchester super-x. so it was a piece of shit. for what its worth it wouldn't cycle (feed or extract) anything at walmart.
gun was spotless and had casting marks & flashing polished away.

he knew gun maintenance...


If your P22 is awesome, that's awesome. alot of them are. just as many have problems as dont. (honestly i told him i would give him $100 for the gun before he went and got his money back - figured itd be more fun than my 9 shot 22lr revolver. but id rather have my revolver. always cycles, no ftf or fte & shoots anything you put in it period)

[AWDstylez]

not my gun and its long gone for being a piece of shit.
im not saying all semi-automatic 22LR pistol / rifles are shit. im simply saying between the ammunition and the guns you can't count on any of them to be 100% reliable.
it wouldn't shoot my remington (yellowjacket, thunderbolt & cyclone, i normally keep 2 of the 3), nor would it shoot winchester super-x. so it was a piece of shit. for what its worth it wouldn't cycle (feed or extract) anything at walmart.
gun was spotless and had casting marks & flashing polished away.

he knew gun maintenance...


If your P22 is awesome, that's awesome. alot of them are. just as many have problems as dont. (honestly i told him i would give him $100 for the gun before he went and got his money back - figured itd be more fun than my 9 shot 22lr revolver. but id rather have my revolver. always cycles, no ftf or fte & shoots anything you put in it period)

The manual on both the Mosquito and the P22 recommends CCI Mini Mag, and the guns even ship with coupons for it now.  Yet, every retard will go out and buy shit Walmart ammo (like you guys did) and then say the gun is a piece of junk because it doesn't cycle.

Trust me, I did the research before buying one, and EVERY time there's someone complaining about the guns being junk it's because they're using the wrong ammo.  The Sig boards are FULL of idiots saying what junk the guns are.  They've tried every ammo the world over... execpt the one the manufacturer recommends.  That's why these guns have such bad reputations.

[t_cel_t]

same shit with my glock 17, if i use cci ammo i got at minimum 3 stovepipes in 17 rds. use the Winchester bulk pack and have yet to have any sort of failure.

[Aero]

My first one was mentioned in the thread already. S&W Sigma 9VE.  The trigger pull is heavy compared to other handguns I've fired. Removed the second spring inside the trigger group, which lightened the trigger quite a bit. I've put around ~800 rounds through it without a single malfunction.
Otherwise I like it for the price. Paid about $300 new.

[BoostedSchemes]

I believe in white supremacy until blacks are educated to a point of responsibility. I don't believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people.... The academic community has developed certain tests that determine whether the blacks are sufficiently equipped scholastically.... I don't feel guilty about the fact that five or ten generations ago these people were slaves. Now I'm not condoning slavery. It's just a fact of life, like the kid who gets infantile paralysis and can't play football like the rest of us. - John Wayne

[900s]

Kel-Tec PF9 has an MSRP of $333 on their website and I've seen them at Gander Mountain for around $290-300 new. Reliable with a simple fluff and buff on the slide rails and feed ramp and you're not restricted to an anemic .380. Also, 9mm Para is about as cheap as you can get for centerfire cartridges...I've heard nothing but good things about the DAO trigger but don't know the pull weight right off the top of my head.

All in the lightest, slimest 9mm ever made. That's what I'm planning on buying once I move to a carry state and since noone else mentioned it yet, I figured I'd throw it out there.

[rsmith2786]

When I want to just go shoot i bring the Walther P22.  Nothing compares price wise for ammo.  You can get 550 rounds for $13.47 at Walmart.  I bought a military surplus ammo box and decided to fill it.  10 boxes of ammo (5500 rounds) and no real dent in the wallet.  That should last me a while.  It looks pretty sweet in the box too.

I've been out with it less than 10 times and last weekend was out shooting and I was surprised how accurate it was.  We set up a barrel at 150 yards away.  With a red dot my best was hitting it 3 times out of 10.  Not bad for that distance and my noobness.

150 yards or 150 feet?

22lr hitting anything you aim at 150 yards out is unlikely, especially out of a pistol length barrel. that federal ammo you got from walmart even has a chart on back telling how much it drops at distance. shit drops like 12" at 100 yards.

150 Yards.  I've got pictures of it up on facebook.  We had about 10 guys and 30 guns.  3 .22 pistols.  I couldn't do it regularly but that was my best for the day.  Had to shoot pretty damn high.

[Passenger]

My buddy has a p22 and we have only shot cci through it, not a single malfunction, I've personally shot about 1000rds through it, I am sure he done over 5000rds, I am still surprised because most of the .22 semi auto pistols I have shot have feed issues one way or another over time. My dad has an old semi auto beretta .22, I haven't found a fail prrof ammo for it yet, but it could use a good cleaning as well.

[Toysrme]

and you dont god damned think he shot cci through it?
the gun was a fucking piece of shit period.

not my gun and its long gone for being a piece of shit.
im not saying all semi-automatic 22LR pistol / rifles are shit. im simply saying between the ammunition and the guns you can't count on any of them to be 100% reliable.
it wouldn't shoot my remington (yellowjacket, thunderbolt & cyclone, i normally keep 2 of the 3), nor would it shoot winchester super-x. so it was a piece of shit. for what its worth it wouldn't cycle (feed or extract) anything at walmart.
gun was spotless and had casting marks & flashing polished away.

he knew gun maintenance...


If your P22 is awesome, that's awesome. alot of them are. just as many have problems as dont. (honestly i told him i would give him $100 for the gun before he went and got his money back - figured itd be more fun than my 9 shot 22lr revolver. but id rather have my revolver. always cycles, no ftf or fte & shoots anything you put in it period)

The manual on both the Mosquito and the P22 recommends CCI Mini Mag, and the guns even ship with coupons for it now.  Yet, every retard will go out and buy shit Walmart ammo (like you guys did) and then say the gun is a piece of junk because it doesn't cycle.

Trust me, I did the research before buying one, and EVERY time there's someone complaining about the guns being junk it's because they're using the wrong ammo.  The Sig boards are FULL of idiots saying what junk the guns are.  They've tried every ammo the world over... execpt the one the manufacturer recommends.  That's why these guns have such bad reputations.

[Passenger]

and you dont god damned think he shot cci through it?
the gun was a fucking piece of shit period.

not my gun and its long gone for being a piece of shit.
im not saying all semi-automatic 22LR pistol / rifles are shit. im simply saying between the ammunition and the guns you can't count on any of them to be 100% reliable.
it wouldn't shoot my remington (yellowjacket, thunderbolt & cyclone, i normally keep 2 of the 3), nor would it shoot winchester super-x. so it was a piece of shit. for what its worth it wouldn't cycle (feed or extract) anything at walmart.
gun was spotless and had casting marks & flashing polished away.

he knew gun maintenance...


If your P22 is awesome, that's awesome. alot of them are. just as many have problems as dont. (honestly i told him i would give him $100 for the gun before he went and got his money back - figured itd be more fun than my 9 shot 22lr revolver. but id rather have my revolver. always cycles, no ftf or fte & shoots anything you put in it period)

The manual on both the Mosquito and the P22 recommends CCI Mini Mag, and the guns even ship with coupons for it now.  Yet, every retard will go out and buy shit Walmart ammo (like you guys did) and then say the gun is a piece of junk because it doesn't cycle.

Trust me, I did the research before buying one, and EVERY time there's someone complaining about the guns being junk it's because they're using the wrong ammo.  The Sig boards are FULL of idiots saying what junk the guns are.  They've tried every ammo the world over... execpt the one the manufacturer recommends.  That's why these guns have such bad reputations.

Hey it may have been, I don't care, I'm just agreeing that they aren't all shit.

By the way, the girl in your sig is fucking ugly, complete horseshit. I am thinking of turning off the view of sigs and avatars on this forum because of it, seriously dude.

[bryantaylor]

Kel-Tec PF9 has an MSRP of $333 on their website and I've seen them at Gander Mountain for around $290-300 new. Reliable with a simple fluff and buff on the slide rails and feed ramp and you're not restricted to an anemic .380. Also, 9mm Para is about as cheap as you can get for centerfire cartridges...I've heard nothing but good things about the DAO trigger but don't know the pull weight right off the top of my head.

All in the lightest, slimest 9mm ever made. That's what I'm planning on buying once I move to a carry state and since noone else mentioned it yet, I figured I'd throw it out there.

i have a p3at as one of my carry guns.  but the OP wants to go to the range, kel-tecs SUCK to shoot at the range.

[Stealthmode]

Kel-Tec PF9 has an MSRP of $333....

All in the lightest, slimest 9mm ever made.

It's .88" thick, but is it thinner than the new taurus pt709 "slim"?, cause that's the one I was looking for next.

[900s]

Kel-Tec PF9 has an MSRP of $333....

All in the lightest, slimest 9mm ever made.

It's .88" thick, but is it thinner than the new taurus pt709 "slim"?, cause that's the one I was looking for next.

Couldn't find any solid numbers on the 709, but from the pictures I saw it doesn't look like it's any more slim than the PF9. Definately not any lighter at 19oz (PF9 weighs in at a cunthair under 13 oz, roughly 16oz with loaded mag) which means the Kel-Tec would suck more at the range but would be a better carry gun.

Although I've heard nothing but good things about Taurus the last few years aside from their inability to update their website, I'd still go for the PF9 over it. Hard to find any firearms that are actually made in the USA anymore, so that's a big plus for KT. Not to mention the MSRP on the Taurus over $100 more.

I'm also a little unsure about about Taurus's DA/SA trigger set up with a striker fired auto. I admit I've never really finger fucked one much but I'm personally more comfortable with a DAO, especially if the trigger pull is similar to the P3AT which uses the same trigger design with only a 5lb pull.

[Toysrme]

then you should cut off sigs & avatars and quit whining about it.

i wouldn't mind carrying a .380 Kel-Tec P3AT. bout like taking my 9mm and shrinking it almost an inch in every direction & cutting out the vast majority of the weight! ive looked at some .380's before, not very hard, but i can't find any .380acp localy within 1/3 the price of 9mm :\ i like to shoot alot so i always rule it out. (would still make a great carry pistol. easily small enough to take 24-7)



the major problem is always trying to balance a range / ammo price friendly gun and a small carry gun - if the OP wants to get his CCW and carry. the really small carry friendly calibers are not always as cheap as say 9mm.









be SURE to hit up your local pawn / gun shops before you come to a decision too. if you can spot an OK used higher end gun - more power too you! alot of shops will give you a deal on the gun, ammo or both just to turn stock over & keep you off the internet.

[5thgenlx]

[Conceptz-X]

i wouldn't mind carrying a .380

Try finding ammo.  .380 is getting tough to find locally and at decent prices.  I'm thinking about letting go my new never fired Cobra .380 for that reason alone.


9mm ftw

[Conceptz-X]

Just deal with the size, the added stopping power and ease of locating ammo will be worth it

[ghettoturbo]

so far this is what Ive held/been interested in:

Walther p22(felt decent, but a little toy-ish)

Sig Mosquito (felt great but I read a lot of bad reviews)

a few czech, hungarian, etc Makarov (sp?) ...these fit my hand pretty well

Bersa Thunder 380 (felt great, I'm going to go back and see if they can get the .22 model to save some $$)

There were a few others but these were the ones that stand out in my memory.  I found a cool local gun shop with a way better selection that Gander Mountain, gonna go back again today.

-Jay

[LS1pwNzJ00]

those are plinkers, dont expect to stop some 250lb 6'4" nig with one of those

[Corey]

if he was looking at the czech cz52 pistol that shoots 7.62x25 then that would surely stop someone just as easy as a .45acp would. not to mention that ammo is ab out the cheapest surp ammo available.

[ghettoturbo]

if he was looking at the czech cz52 pistol that shoots 7.62x25 then that would surely stop someone just as easy as a .45acp would. not to mention that ammo is ab out the cheapest surp ammo available.

I forget the model #, but it was 9x18.  I'm not looking to mow people down, just paper targets.