Topic: Suspension KNowledge. (Read 7789 times)

97Econobox · « **on:** June 24, 2009, 02:08:15 PM »

So everybody says Cuttin springs is bad MMkay, and everyone ive seen is usually a trampoline but then again i cant think of one of them that had aftermarket struts. it was always the 100K mile stockers with springs cut in half or whatever.

well im surfin the Kotex and i come aross this.
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=4264492

So if you scroll down basicly dude tracks cause its fun and well, sold his boxter to track his 95 Passat wagon. he admits the porshe is a) a shitbox and B) is better for the track than the passat but said he couldnt stop grinning whipping the giant ledsledd around the track. so in his quest to find resonably priced, quality suspension he found that most aftermarket companies actually use a reduced spring rate and instead of a change in Static heigth to actually lower the car. so in most cases you are switching to a car with a softer spring rate than normal. so he hacked a coil or two out of his springs.

So after all that I know nuthin botu nuthin and My first thoghts are hes full of shit. Ive seen some aftermarket springs for Honda Specificly that were far shorter than their counterparts. hell dont even need a spring compressor to put em on so obviously they are shorter. and B) if you cut the damn coils ...arent you dropping and or fuckign up the spring rate anyway? obviously if its usign the coils n shit and you cut em out i would think you just lessened the spring rate due to not having as many coils.

So is this like speshul VW gay magic or am i missing something entirely. Someone School me.

97Econobox · « **Reply #1 on:** June 24, 2009, 02:27:26 PM »

Non Kotex approved Intake done FooWee Style. for Clicks or something.

Joseph Davis · « **Reply #2 on:** June 24, 2009, 02:38:58 PM »

A shorter spring is a stiffer spring, and you are a faggot.

crttaz · « **Reply #3 on:** June 24, 2009, 03:36:54 PM »

Quote from: Joseph Davis on June 24, 2009, 02:38:58 PM

A shorter spring is a stiffer spring,

vague statment JD..........

So your saying a 0600.250.0600 spring is stiffer than a 0800.250.0800 spring?

inconceivable

Ravage70 · « **Reply #4 on:** June 24, 2009, 03:46:03 PM »

Quote from: crttaz on June 24, 2009, 03:36:54 PM

Quote from: Joseph Davis on June 24, 2009, 02:38:58 PM
A shorter spring is a stiffer spring,

vague statment JD..........

So your saying a 0600.250.0600 spring is stiffer than a 0800.250.0800 spring?

inconceivable

...

97Econobox · « **Reply #5 on:** June 24, 2009, 04:05:28 PM »

Ok so you're building a Damn Shock Dyno and then you say a smaller spring is a stiffer spring.... so either You have uncontrolled knowledgabilities or my full head of hair is preventing me from catching your sarcasm lol.

rawr · « **Reply #6 on:** June 24, 2009, 04:34:34 PM »

Who would soften the springs so the car sits lower? That's asking for it. Especially with how low vwfags go.

Joseph Davis · « **Reply #7 on:** June 24, 2009, 04:50:31 PM »

Chuck, intentionally acting like he doesn't understand what I mean since 1997.

Lowerit · « **Reply #8 on:** June 24, 2009, 06:34:36 PM »

He's saying if you take a 350Lb spring and cut it it will be stiffer.. not comparing a 350Lb 7" spring to a 10" 350Lb spring.

someone smarter then me (actual engineer on a real race team) said that the rule of thumb is that for every 1 coil removed you add 10% stiffness.

Since most fags run ebay coilovers it doesn't really matter, you are fucked before u start

Conceptz-X · « **Reply #9 on:** June 24, 2009, 09:31:22 PM »

Get the old red hammer(torch) apply heat till you get desired height. You will reduce ride height and rate

Later when spring breaks, have fun

bryantaylor · « **Reply #10 on:** June 24, 2009, 09:42:22 PM »

spring rate change when you cut it really depends. progressive vs. linear, how they were cut, and so on. but most stock springs and progressive, so it would increase spring rate.

here is a link to find out what your new spring rate would be
http://proshocks.com/calcs/coilsprate.htm

crttaz · « **Reply #11 on:** June 24, 2009, 10:39:31 PM »

Quote from: Joseph Davis on June 24, 2009, 04:50:31 PM

Chuck, intentionally acting like he doesn't understand what I mean since 1997.

I know what you meant, but vague half assed answers like yours create more confusion......

confusion leads to baldness......

dvst8r · « **Reply #12 on:** June 24, 2009, 10:41:45 PM »

Quote from: crttaz on June 24, 2009, 10:39:31 PM

Quote from: Joseph Davis on June 24, 2009, 04:50:31 PM
Chuck, intentionally acting like he doesn't understand what I mean since 1997.
confusion leads to baldness......

Fuck, So that is what happened!

fork · « **Reply #13 on:** June 25, 2009, 12:08:38 AM »

If you take a spring then cut part of it off, and measure the stiffness, it will be stiffer after you cut it.

crttaz · « **Reply #14 on:** June 25, 2009, 01:06:38 AM »

Quote from: fork on June 25, 2009, 12:08:38 AM

If you take a spring then cut part of it off, and measure the stiffness, it will be stiffer after you cut it.

Not always.

With a straight single rate spring, yes.

With some progrsesive rate springs, no change since the "soft" area of the coils only act as a separate tender spring would, fully compressed under static weight.

Been hanging out with a Koni rep. too long...........should have taken the job, but days like today would be unbearable to be working in a shop cutting shocks apart and welding them back together.

97Econobox · « **Reply #15 on:** June 25, 2009, 08:22:19 AM »

Well damn it really sounds like its not a bad way to get like .5 to an inch of drop. I learned something today.

Doug · « **Reply #16 on:** June 25, 2009, 09:32:12 AM »

Someone cut the springs on my Prelude and it drove like shit. Now this might have been because it was on stock struts, but either way I think I would fork over $200 on some decent lowering springs just to be safe.

Joseph Davis · « **Reply #17 on:** June 25, 2009, 10:58:47 AM »

Quote from: crttaz on June 24, 2009, 10:39:31 PM

Quote from: Joseph Davis on June 24, 2009, 04:50:31 PM
Chuck, intentionally acting like he doesn't understand what I mean since 1997.

I know what you meant, but vague half assed answers like yours create more confusion......

confusion leads to baldness......

Are you admitting to wearing a wig? Pot, kettle, black; you are famous for cryptic one liners, sir.

Joseph Davis · « **Reply #18 on:** June 25, 2009, 11:01:42 AM »

Quote from: Lowerit on June 24, 2009, 06:34:36 PM

Since most fags run ebay coilovers it doesn't really matter, you are fucked before u start

Honestly, the shitty eGay coilovers I bought for $40 (a spring is a spring, and I wanted a selection and didn't want to pay $40-50 per) ended up going to Wes, and goddamn if they don't feel like a dream on his wagon. 440/345 is what the spring formula said they are, which works out better on a 2500lb wagon with a higher center of gravity than a 2000 lb Civic.

d112crzy · « **Reply #19 on:** June 25, 2009, 03:31:01 PM »

Ebay coils will ride pretty nice on some quality struts. My friend has ebay coils on some not so great KYB AGX and they rode surprisingly well and handled way better than I ever thought they would. They're a bit stiff, but not so much bouncy as most would think.

He did corner weigh his car though(accord).

It would be difficult to get the exact lengths if you cut the springs, but you'll get close enough. Just be sure to get good struts.

bryantaylor · « **Reply #20 on:** June 25, 2009, 07:26:00 PM »

AGX only can handle stock spring rates.

d112crzy · « **Reply #21 on:** June 25, 2009, 08:07:59 PM »

They handle Neuspeed and eibach sport springs just well. You're thinking of the GR2's.

dvst8r · « **Reply #22 on:** June 25, 2009, 08:10:10 PM »

Paging Brine04 to the Ebay coils thread, brine04 ebay coil thread.

Joseph Davis · « **Reply #23 on:** June 25, 2009, 11:04:42 PM »

Quote from: d112crzy on June 25, 2009, 08:07:59 PM

They handle Neuspeed and eibach sport springs just well. You're thinking of the GR2's.

Eibach pro-kit, maybe. But that's about the mildest spring on the market... and it shows because cars running it still have traction and handle wonderfully.

5thgenlx · « **Reply #24 on:** June 26, 2009, 01:04:30 AM »

bilsteins and h&r's, had em on for 5 years now and are just now losing it. 400 bucks well spent

Joseph Davis · « **Reply #25 on:** June 26, 2009, 01:26:11 AM »

I'll buy your blown bilsteins, sir.

d112crzy · « **Reply #26 on:** June 26, 2009, 01:37:49 AM »

Where do you get them revalved and how much does it run you, JD?

j.h.christ · « **Reply #27 on:** June 26, 2009, 06:10:27 AM »

i couldn't find my sunglasses

Joseph Davis · « **Reply #28 on:** June 26, 2009, 12:47:07 PM »

Quote from: d112crzy on June 26, 2009, 01:37:49 AM

Where do you get them revalved and how much does it run you, JD?

Me, and parts. You have to build a shock dyno, though.

bryantaylor · « **Reply #29 on:** June 26, 2009, 06:06:36 PM »

Quote from: d112crzy on June 26, 2009, 01:37:49 AM

Where do you get them revalved and how much does it run you, JD?

look up fat cat motorsports. he does a ton of blistein revalveing.

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