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[E-b0la]

This is unconstitutional. The 13th amendment protects against involuntary servitude. End of story.

[chris]

Some of you guys most of lived in nice areas. The parks I grew up around were havens for Junkies,hookers and murders. Also the zodiac killer as well.



YOu want you kids cleaning up condoms from hookers pullin tricks, junkies syringes etc.



My elementary school was connected to a park that had all of this in a lower middle class community in the san francisco bay area. We were taught as kids to stay away from certain areas of the park due to things such as I pointed out. No 11 year old kid needs to be picking up used condoms it was bad enough I had to see it growing up. Lets not forget the dead body from a gang murder found on the path I use to walk everyday as a kid by my school/park. So you want kids to clean up the bloodstains?



My father is a retired  Vet and a electrical engineer for the Unites States government for 35 years. WE lived in an area the best he could afford for California. So we want people who have sacrificed  everything for the safety of this Nation to have its children clean up after Junkies.

[E-b0la]

I just wrote to my congressman, fucking Nazi bastard was a co sponser of the bill.

[Spanish-rice]

helping the community is a good thing, but making them do it fucked. i dont have time for that shit

[AstroVannin]

. THe real milkers like the nigs that claim SSI due to crazy shit like "anger problems" will still be usable in community service programs. You can still be angry while picking up trash. ;D

They might actually be better at it if they're angry. If thats the case, it will work out perfectly, since being forced to work instead of milking the system will make them angrier yet, and even BETTER at pciking up trash.

[Joseph Davis]

Having youth go and do some community service and learn the value of contributing to there community is a outrage and should be stopped

your comprehension skills are lacking.

It's not the fact these people don't feel youth should do community service and learn the value of contributing, it's the fact the gov't has taken it apon themselves to force this education and control it that is upsetting.

My 2c, everytime the gov't steps up and does something for the people that 'should be done', it creates a bigger fail in society as that is just one less thing that society will take apon themselves to do.

Teaching your kids about hard work, meh why bother the gov't will do it.
Teaching your kids about financial responsibility, meh why bother the gov't will bail us out.
etc.

+1

[fysh]

i couldn't care less... I already don't pay my property taxes. Government tells me to do community service? Yeah, probably won't get around to doing that either.  :somb:

[N1ghtM0nkey]

sieg heil 

[Conceptz-X]

Another reason I'm not having children.  Now, I need to go adopt many children to de-brainwash into good hard working, conservative, boost addicts.

[b20x]

Weigh Alex Jones against the Zionist movement. Alex's wife is a jew, he has never mentioned the issue's with the USA still supplying money, arms etc to Israeli and the control Israeli has over the government & the media. Hollywood is Jewville. Hard to blame one guy as this crap has been in the works for along time. They want us to blame the current stooge as they have another one waiting for his turn in just a few years.

This website the guy has aryan, jews speaking about the current shit storm spinning http://prothink.tv/

[losesomethinbra]

no actually it is forced, and its a way to indoctrinate kids into little government losers.

my kid will never do this, ever. no matter what.

shit we all buy into it and i buy in to our system every time i go to work... i dont want to, but thats how the wheels keep turning in this country. its all bullshit and they prey on peoples prejudices to keep everyone in line.. the dream is to be smarter, make more, dont give a shit about anyone else

[RobC]

have fun with that guys. sounds like fascism to me...

your country is the same, or worse.

my county is being annexed buy your country. atleast i can run into the bush and live off the land when shit goes sideways.

[random-strike]

have fun with that guys. sounds like fascism to me...

your country is the same, or worse.

my county is being annexed buy your country. atleast i can run into the bush and live off the land when shit goes sideways.

and people here can't? lol

[Joseph Davis]

have fun with that guys. sounds like fascism to me...

your country is the same, or worse.

my county is being annexed buy your country. atleast i can run into the bush and live off the land when shit goes sideways.

and people here can't? lol

We can, but since theres so much less snow we don't have to work as hard at it.  The French mind is proud of moving to a frozen shithole no other race would want.

[RobC]

have fun with that guys. sounds like fascism to me...

your country is the same, or worse.

my county is being annexed buy your country. atleast i can run into the bush and live off the land when shit goes sideways.

and people here can't? lol

atleast your in Oregon. its the people in the major citys are that are screwed. im 40 min from the washington border. its not frozen tundra. bc is big enough and warm enough that having some out door experience will go a long way. i just wouldnt like scores of government trained children hunting me threw the wilderness.

[97Econobox]

So really this isnt forced at all.  You just are required to do this if you want government assistance.  Its not manditory unless you want like pail grants and shit.  In that case how the hell can it hurt.

[snm95ls]

So really this isnt forced at all.  You just are required to do this if you want government assistance.  Its not manditory unless you want like pail grants and shit.  In that case how the hell can it hurt.

They are currently called Pell grants, not pail.

For grants, honestly it seems like a good idea, but the problem is that Pell Grants were initially there to help out those who do not have the financial means to attend college.  So the idea here is to add even more to those handed who cannot really afford college tuition?  It seems a bit ludicrous to me.  Maybe adding more grants based on community service, similar to requirements for many scholarships, would be fine, but to cut off Pell grants unless you do xxx hours of community service is silly IMO, but I am probably biased because I receive Pell grants.

  I haven't read the legislation, and to be honest I don't really have the time right now, so I can't really from a true opinion on this yet.  Seems like some extreme shit from the very little that I have read.

Fuck, I already have no fucking life as it is.  Add in some community service along with everything else,and I really will not do well in school.

Whatever.

Fuck it back to the factory I go...

Wait, most of those have been outsourced...

Yeah...

[MTZ]

his ppl were slaves, now we get to even out and work for his sorry ass. btw for the guy that said its not bad working for a pell grant Fuck you ok i already help the gov by paying taxes and going to school in the end is going to be beneficial for both me and the gov.

get them fucking whores to do comminity service, and all the mofos on stamps (if they aint workin), all the motherfuckers living in ghettos and gov placed houses that dont do shit all day can do community service but people going to school so they can be something better at 1 point fuck that.

btw i think it shoudnt be mandatory regardless of wtf u do BUT dont talk about pell grants  like its something i dont deserve, this fing country should work for us not the other way around, and thats why we have so many fing retards in the gov.

[Stealthmode]

BUT dont talk about pell grants  like its something i dont deserve,

Actuallly, you don't deserve it, and nobody else does either. The problem is that the gov. has gotten in bed with "higher" education to the point where nobody can afford their inflated prices without grants. So instead they got in bed together and scheme tax dollars to pay for peoples' education. It's a classic redistribution that is controlled by politicians who want to buy votes with tax dollars, and school systems who will sell their votes, along with being payed way more than the education is actually worth. Politicians and schools win. Tax payers and you, lose.

[MTZ]

Actuallly, you don't deserve it, and nobody else does either. The problem is that the gov. has gotten in bed with "higher" education to the point where nobody can afford their inflated prices without grants. So instead they got in bed together and scheme tax dollars to pay for peoples' education. It's a classic redistribution that is controlled by politicians who want to buy votes with tax dollars, and school systems who will sell their votes, along with being payed way more than the education is actually worth. Politicians and schools win. Tax payers and you, lose.
[/quote]

see i have diff opinions because i think the gov should strive to put people through college and get their country educated so that we can move the country foward, if you see thats what a lot of places do even the communist (cuba). they way the gov runs right now its exactly like a workers union, they let in who they let in, they make their rules we dont get shit, i woudnt mind say working on a public hospital (for a decent salary) for a couple of years if the gov. paid for my ed. or i woudnt mind fixing gov owned cars if i was a mechanic if they put me through school see i think it should be a contract they pay your school you work for them for a lil (gain experience) then go off to bigger and better things.

 not mandatory..

regardless thats why i joined the af so i can get out go to school and get some $$ while doing something for my country

[superdaveosbourne]

Higher education is a privilege, not a right.  You don't need a college/university level degree to make some good cash in today's world.  With everybody stuck on going to school, there are less and less plumbers, mechanics, etc. being trained.  Shit, my friend that's a plumber makes over 70k a year with no education to speak of.  I went through university and I make around 56k a year.  Who's smarter?

[Joseph Davis]

Higher education is a privilege, not a right.  You don't need a college/university level degree to make some good cash in today's world.  With everybody stuck on going to school, there are less and less plumbers, mechanics, etc. being trained.  Shit, my friend that's a plumber makes over 70k a year with no education to speak of.  I went through university and I make around 56k a year.  Who's smarter?

Typical college graduate = typical lazy middle class intellectual.

[superdaveosbourne]

^^ Haha, not much I can do there.  Only reason I went to university is because I needed a degree to become an officer in the CF.  Might not be the highest paying job in the world, but I did get to play with some nice toys for 8 years (machine guns, anti-personel mines, anti-tank weapons, grenades, etc.)  Now I sit behind a desk because of a blown out knee...

[Conceptz-X]

What the fuck do you think got us into the financial mess today?  Everybody being told as a child you get smart and get a desk job to make alot of money, Getting dirty for a living is for losers.  Or thats how its taught.  Myself, I got an education, still paying for it also.  Still working my ass off every day and struggling.  I was one of those kids in special education as well.  The way things are looking I made the right choice, those soft handed desk jockeys have a steep learning curve ahead of them now as this country will be forced to shift gears back into a production based economy.  Unfortunately most production buildings have been destroyed and the equipment shipped overseas.  so, its going to be rough.  I learn what I can and think logicly, thats the only way you can come out of the shit stacked infront of this country now.