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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: ironcrx on January 26, 2010, 07:33:05 PM
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100126/ap_on_bi_ge/us_toyota_recall (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100126/ap_on_bi_ge/us_toyota_recall)
Sticking pedal? Seriously? Im hoping it goes a step further and its determined to be fault of the ecu/tb.
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drive by wire fail.
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drive by wire fail.
+1
loved when they blamed everything on the floormats, too. :?:
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drive by wire fail.
Yea. Weren't we discussing that weeks ago? Good ol cable is where its at! :yes:
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Im still a little lost why in the world did we get away from cables? Drive by wire seems like just a headache and money killer for auto makers.
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Im still a little lost why in the world did we get away from cables? Drive by wire seems like just a headache and customer killer for auto makers.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_toyota_floor_mats (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_toyota_floor_mats)
how much you wanna bet the 'pedal replacement' is actually replacing the pedal position sensor that fails wide open?
To fix the problem, Toyota and the government said dealers will shorten the length of the accelerator pedal on the recalled vehicles and in some cases remove foam from beneath the carpeting near the pedal to increase the space between the pedal and the floor. They said owners of the ES350, Camry and Avalon would be the first to receive notification because the vehicles are believed to have the highest risk for pedal entrapment.
Toyota also plans to install a brake override system on the Camry, Avalon and Lexus ES350, IS350 and IS250 models, Toyota and NHTSA said. The brake override system will ensure the vehicle will stop if the brake and the accelerator pedals are applied at the same time.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_toyota_floor_mats (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_toyota_floor_mats)
how much you wanna bet the 'pedal replacement' is actually replacing the pedal position sensor that fails wide open?
To fix the problem, Toyota and the government said dealers will shorten the length of the accelerator pedal on the recalled vehicles and in some cases remove foam from beneath the carpeting near the pedal to increase the space between the pedal and the floor. They said owners of the ES350, Camry and Avalon would be the first to receive notification because the vehicles are believed to have the highest risk for pedal entrapment.
Toyota also plans to install a brake override system on the Camry, Avalon and Lexus ES350, IS350 and IS250 models, Toyota and NHTSA said. The brake override system will ensure the vehicle will stop if the brake and the accelerator pedals are applied at the same time.
Yeap. I'll just add that you would think the software people that designed this would have it setup so that if you push the gas and brake, it just brakes.
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There goes widebuddie's job.
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I think Mythbusters did something where they braked with throttle wide open on a variety of cars and were always able to stop...the one that took the longest was the Roush Mustang... It's really as simple as holding the brake if your car throttle is stuck.
Either way, it would have been ridiculously simple to code the ECU so it will let off the throttle if the brake is depressed. Some of the manufacturers' cars already do this.
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I think Mythbusters did something where they braked with throttle wide open on a variety of cars and were always able to stop...the one that took the longest was the Roush Mustang... It's really as simple as holding the brake if your car throttle is stuck.
Did they do it from a highway speed roll of 70+ mph?
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Shame, the only thing dbw is good for is snow traction control IMO>
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I think Mythbusters did something where they braked with throttle wide open on a variety of cars and were always able to stop...the one that took the longest was the Roush Mustang... It's really as simple as holding the brake if your car throttle is stuck.
Did they do it from a highway speed roll of 70+ mph?
I lied, it was Car and Driver, found the article again:
http://www.caranddriver.com/features/09q4/how_to_deal_with_unintended_acceleration-tech_dept (http://www.caranddriver.com/features/09q4/how_to_deal_with_unintended_acceleration-tech_dept)
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i dont like when they dumb down cars with systems made to help stupid people, by the time i can afford them they will be so worthless from all the high tech parts being broken
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i dont like when they dumb down cars with systems made to help stupid people, by the time i can afford them they will be so worthless from all the high tech parts being broken
You can make a car incredibly safe it you take the most unsafe part of the equation out. The driver.
I have yet to drive anything with DBW that didn't feel like it had an incredible amount of lag time. and/or didn't exhibit some odd properties.
I will stick to cables for my throttle control, and linkages for my transmission control.
:P
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Two pedals are used, Denso from Japan and CTS from US........
Wanna guess which one was at fault???? I knew about this a while ago.....
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i would guess the one from the US
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i would guess the one from the US
FUCK YOU.
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Wonder when the aftermarket will have a conversion kit to go back to throttle cables ;D
Thats actually a damn good idea
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From what I know, nothing happened in Canadia land. I'm sure we share the pedals with US...
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From what I know, nothing happened in Canadia land. I'm sure we share the pedals with US...
We just want you to kill yourselfs........so we don't tell you these kinda things.
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Everybody at work is freaking out about it. We don't know if they're gonna do layoffs or a shutdown but either way isn't to great
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Wonder when the aftermarket will have a conversion kit to go back to throttle cables ;D
Thats actually a damn good idea
make a retrofit kit for a key to while you are at it.
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that test pretty much proves that the people that crashed due to this issue. Are all fucking idiots
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Shame, the only thing dbw is good for is snow traction control IMO>
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What about idle control. Imo Drive by wire is great, it can also smooth out an eratic driver for increased fuel economy. There is also lots of aftermarket ECU support.
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that test pretty much proves that the people that crashed due to this issue. Are all fucking idiots
I tried this in my girlfriend's highlander to see what happens. I put my foot to the floor at 60, and at 80 I hit the brake. The car slowed down. It slows down even faster if you push the selector into neutral. In the process I may have broken the stability and traction control (a good thing), or its just a toyota pile of fail and it just gives up. It also decided to pull the fuel trims back to -100.6% on 2 cylinders, throw lean burn codes, and misfire a lot. I gotta get around to doing a tuneup on that thing, because I am damn sure the stealership didn't do anything of the sort. Its way to fucked up for a 2003 that was dealer maintained.
TL;DR
Toyota has gone to shit
Also, see quote in sig.
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pulling a GM and Domino's
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The 06+ S2000's have good DBW with no lag. You also don't have the stupid air pump and all its other gear. I do like the simplicity of my cable throttle though.
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There goes widebuddie's job.
And Drails....Nah we just make door frames,seats,mouldings,panels, and plastic parts for the dashes...Most that I have heard is a week shut down till the 2.3 million issues are resolved.... AND FUCK THE TBW
And I have s shit ton of things i could be doing with my 19yr old FRIEND with my time off work and getting paid as I got 16 days of vacation and 5 days of planned time off"sick days" I need to practice more on the making babies and pulling and praying...The fuckin 27+ age range is fail in my eyes...Maybe hot but only like laying there and taking it..I put them on top and they act fucking lost or its a fucking river down my legs and no friction... Towel and proceed is what I always have to do or their uterus is way too shallow.
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If you guy's were in the market for a new car, what would you be looking at?
Is there anything currently in production that isn't an overcomplicated pile of feces?
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Renault.........Bout it
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vw 2.0t
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Thats more gay that Peugot.......... JH I thought you had a better reply
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vw 2.0t
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vw 2.0t
I love mine. It doesnt suck.
All VW, Audi and Porsche with DBW have it written into the code that automatically closes the TB if the brake switch is activated. Been like that since 1999. The only car ive ever had a DBW problem with as a faulty DME in a boxster, that would freak out and go into low-rpm limp mode. Boxster suck pretty bad though, so that sort of thing is expected.
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vw 2.0t
I love mine. It doesnt suck.
All VW, Audi and Porsche with DBW have it written into the code that automatically closes the TB if the brake switch is activated. Been like that since 1999. The only car ive ever had a DBW problem with as a faulty DME in a boxster, that would freak out and go into low-rpm limp mode. Boxster suck pretty bad though, so that sort of thing is expected.
I want won, not a boxter, that is.
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I just don't get why we can't have DBW AND cable operated throttle plates like they do on bikes...? You get the low speed control-ability of computer control and the redundant safety of cable operated throttle valves. They do it on pretty much all new EFI bikes and the have 4 X the amount of throttle bodies so it can't be a cost issue.
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I just don't get why we can't have DBW AND cable operated throttle plates like they do on bikes...? You get the low speed control-ability of computer control and the redundant safety of cable operated throttle valves. They do it on pretty much all new EFI bikes and the have 4 X the amount of throttle bodies so it can't be a cost issue.
IS300 do this.
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never clicked the link at the beginning of the thread to know how many cars were affected til i just heard it on the news. HOLY SHIT! over 2 million cars recalled and stopped production and sales on hella models. really hope this doesnt hurt them so bad it puts them out of business
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I heard a rumor that Toyota doesnt know what to do to fix the problem. They just issued the recall to cover their asses...
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after them telling people to step on the brake, put the car in neutral or hold the start button down on the news i can see alot of broke retarded people trying to make a buck and intentionally hurt themselves and try and sue.
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after them telling people to step on the brake, put the car in neutral or hold the start button down on the news i can see alot of broke retarded people trying to make a buck and intentionally hurt themselves and try and sue.
Nooooooooo. Nobody would do that.....
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If you guy's were in the market for a new car, what would you be looking at?
Is there anything currently in production that isn't an overcomplicated pile of feces?
I like the MazdaSpeed3. I haven't driven the 2010, but the 2009 was a good production car. Suspension could have been a bit better and the clutch was backwards. It engaged REALLY high for the first 10,000 miles according to all reports I read. I couldn't drive it for 4 miles without getting annoyed.
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Need to find someone who makes throttle cables in the states ;D
This is going to totally fuck up sales for sure since it will take Im guessing atleast 3 months to fix all the issues at hand alone. Anyone who works for them or makes parts for them is most likely getting pink slips for awhile unless you get in the department planning on fixing the dbw issue.
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If you guy's were in the market for a new car, what would you be looking at?
Is there anything currently in production that isn't an overcomplicated pile of feces?
I like the MazdaSpeed3. I haven't driven the 2010, but the 2009 was a good production car. Suspension could have been a bit better and the clutch was backwards. It engaged REALLY high for the first 10,000 miles according to all reports I read. I couldn't drive it for 4 miles without getting annoyed.
those things are horribly gay
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Would be a good time to buy some Toyota stock. They said on the news last night that the stock went down I forgot how much in Japan just yesterday.
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this is what happens when widebody drinks at work
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If you guy's were in the market for a new car, what would you be looking at?
Is there anything currently in production that isn't an overcomplicated pile of feces?
I like the MazdaSpeed3. I haven't driven the 2010, but the 2009 was a good production car. Suspension could have been a bit better and the clutch was backwards. It engaged REALLY high for the first 10,000 miles according to all reports I read. I couldn't drive it for 4 miles without getting annoyed.
those things are horribly gay
You picked out the 263hp 280 ft lbs of tq car out as the "horribly gay" car? Especially since any day of the week, you can pick one of them up for $21k before tax and fees. The MS3 is basically everything the Honda Civic Si should be.
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If you guy's were in the market for a new car, what would you be looking at?
Is there anything currently in production that isn't an overcomplicated pile of feces?
I like the MazdaSpeed3. I haven't driven the 2010, but the 2009 was a good production car. Suspension could have been a bit better and the clutch was backwards. It engaged REALLY high for the first 10,000 miles according to all reports I read. I couldn't drive it for 4 miles without getting annoyed.
those things are horribly gay
Agreed. But a high 13 sec. car stock, with decent upgrade potential
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If you guy's were in the market for a new car, what would you be looking at?
Is there anything currently in production that isn't an overcomplicated pile of feces?
I like the MazdaSpeed3. I haven't driven the 2010, but the 2009 was a good production car. Suspension could have been a bit better and the clutch was backwards. It engaged REALLY high for the first 10,000 miles according to all reports I read. I couldn't drive it for 4 miles without getting annoyed.
those things are horribly gay
Agreed. But a high 13 sec. car stock, with decent upgrade potential
ive never seen one run that fast.
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If you guy's were in the market for a new car, what would you be looking at?
Is there anything currently in production that isn't an overcomplicated pile of feces?
I like the MazdaSpeed3. I haven't driven the 2010, but the 2009 was a good production car. Suspension could have been a bit better and the clutch was backwards. It engaged REALLY high for the first 10,000 miles according to all reports I read. I couldn't drive it for 4 miles without getting annoyed.
those things are horribly gay
Agreed. But a high 13 sec. car stock, with decent upgrade potential
ive never seen one run that fast.
me either. But I saw one on youtube...
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ive never seen one run that fast.
http://www.dragtimes.com/Mazda--3-Drag-Racing.html?resultpage=1 (http://www.dragtimes.com/Mazda--3-Drag-Racing.html?resultpage=1)
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My bet is it's hardware not software... google ROHS, lead free electronics, and tin whiskers...
http://www.calce.umd.edu/lead-free/tin-whiskers/TINWHISKERFAILURES.pdf (http://www.calce.umd.edu/lead-free/tin-whiskers/TINWHISKERFAILURES.pdf)
http://www.electronicsweekly.com/Articles/2005/08/03/36043/on-off-and-somewhere-in-between.htm (http://www.electronicsweekly.com/Articles/2005/08/03/36043/on-off-and-somewhere-in-between.htm)
(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdvice.com%2Fpics%2Ftin_whiskers.jpg&hash=abf1cdf24bd024a91f29036a095f034aff8d0e05)
http://dvice.com/archives/2008/04/lead-bad-for-yo.php (http://dvice.com/archives/2008/04/lead-bad-for-yo.php)
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2010's are ugly. 2007-2009 I find to be good looking mainstream vehicle. If you are looking for a new car for around $20-23k before taxes and fees, there are a lot of choices. If you figure you want a car to actually have some performance to it, I'm pretty sure there are 2-3 choices. The MazdaSpeed3, Hyundai Genesis, and ???. Johnny, you do realize the MS3 comes with 260hp and 280 tq right? It's actually worth its price.
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Back when the first thread was started here, they were just about at the point where they were giving out shorter pedals. This is after giving new mats with a cutout AND clamps to keep it in place. Seems like they were in denial, then in the cost-benifit thing (like on FIght Club), then into oh-shit mode. Sounds like they outsourced on the programming & design, and the entire company that handled that died collectively in a plane crash...
Chris M I say you act on this and make some auto-safety thing for the throttle bodies. A simple relay tied into the stock brake pedal to kill the TB's power or whatever needed to get the plate to slam shut. With 2 million drivers not knowing if their next trip to get milk is their last, this could make a killing in the next few weeks/months.
I've seen tin whiskers talked about before, but rarely will it be an issue outside super-sensitive applications. They also take a while to build up and break off with the vibrations a car would see (before they get long enough to short traces).
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HMM, stuck at full throttle, press brake, nope that didnt work
TURN
THE
FUCKING
KEY
OFF
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Working at a toyota dealership right now is going to be hell. People are going to be bringing in 1995 camry's asking will this car try to kill me
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HMM, stuck at full throttle, press brake, nope that didnt work
TURN
THE
FUCKING
KEY
OFF
THEY DONT HAVE A FUCKING KEY GENIUS
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you have to hold down the start button for aprox 3 seconds for it to shut off
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you have to hold down the start button for aprox 3 seconds for it to shut off
People can't drive.
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Working at a toyota dealership right now is going to be hell. People are going to be bringing in 1995 camry's asking will this car try to kill me
So sad, but 100% true.
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Patrick Stewart on Extras (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fg_cwI1Xj4M#normal)
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lol
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Aisin is now ridding 80% of the temps and shutting down most of the second shift final assembly lines... Georgetown Ky is on a one week shut down at the moment and Texas plant is looking at a estimated 2 weeks shut down... I'm high enough in seniority that I'm going to push for a 1st shift transfer to prevent having to use my vacation days or lost income till the second shift crew returns full production. D-Rail on the other hand...Not sure whats up with him as he is in the heat treat facility.
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I heard Toyota was blaming the IN plant.
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georgetown won't be laying anyone off, good time to clean the place up,
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http://cbs3.com/local/Montgomery.County.Toyota.2.1454021.html (http://cbs3.com/local/Montgomery.County.Toyota.2.1454021.html)
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I heard Toyota was blaming the IN plant.
Lol. It's all Widehomo's fault.
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The DBW deaths are the first step of the rise of cyberdyne.
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Skynet became self-aware at 2:14 a.m. Eastern time, August 29th, 1997.
Having already seen the original Terminator movie it didn't show it's hand right away.
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"In a panic they try to pull the plug."
"Skynet fights back..."
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Okay, I LOLed.
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"In a panic they try to pull the plug."
"Skynet fights back..."
(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdigd.ug%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2007%2F12%2F247523112_671b16fe79_b.jpg&hash=7554cf694cc50f9e533964b648a7cde4fd96e259)
Gay porn ban.
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Gay porn ban.
Well...Look at the pot calling the kettle a nigger, rawr.
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Weber carb install about 80 percent done on the crx.
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Weber carb install about 80 percent done on the crx.
I'm about 90% done my carb install on my Accord. Drive by wire Webers = O0