:::RHMT::: Real Home Made Turbo
General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: TunerToys on November 17, 2009, 11:14:57 PM
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Okay guys, so this is just a mental exercise of sorts, to get some creative thinking going for a project I may undertake...someday. I want to build a daily driver custom vehicle out of an old truck, but put a modern day drive train in it. Here are a few requirements.
- It must be new enough to be managed by a modern ecu, OBD1 or OBD2.
- It must not be so new that the donor car would be more than $10K
- 300Hp minimum in it's stock form
- Inline drivetrain, not any tranverse mount stuff.
- Gasoline / E85 Only, no diesel.
- Car donors only, with excellent ride quality, no truck donors.
- Four wheel independent suspension.
- Autotragic transmission
Tunability is a consideration for later, but not required for consideration. Performance can come later, a comfortable cruiser is more important initially.
Some of the vehicles I thought of were...
- Lexus GS430
- Cadillac CTS
- Lincoln (anything with a Modular Motor and independent suspension?)
I kind of like the Lexus idea, watching jaws drop when I pop the hood of a classic ford truck, to reveal an asian drivetrain. And the reliability would be solid too.
So lets see what you guys come up with.
Craig
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Lincol Mark VIII has a 32V 4.6 V8, fords strongest auto, 93 had an aluminum driveshaft, 8.8 IRS, even has air ride you could incorporate if you wish.
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I don't think 1940 internationals came OBD1. Just a guess.
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do you want to do what everyone else does or something different?
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I don't think 1940 internationals came OBD1. Just a guess.
You do understand what the OP asked right?
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well you mentioned lincoln, a mark viii would be cheap and work out great. 4v mod motor, 4r70w trans a 8.8 IRS rear end. all pretty standard stuff that you can easily get parts for and have very few problems.
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complex stfu you dumb nigger. can't you read
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on the plus side i see your example is opposite of your requirement.
Yeah, I'm pretty tricky that way.
how about a 2uz or a 4.6 mod or a lsx/lqx in a 70's celica?
Although I love the early 70s Celica, I'd prob put an S2000 drivetrain in that one.
I want to stick with a reasonably full sized truck for the body of this project.
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I don't think 1940 internationals came OBD1. Just a guess.
You do understand what the OP asked right?
Bah, skimmed and didn't read right. Whoops
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do you want to do what everyone else does or something different?
Different, that's why I threw the Lexus drive train in there.. you have ideas?
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rx7 and lsx
done a few times where the parts are readily avialable, will handle nice, wont fail like a rotary, pleanty of support to make more power if wanted
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you fucking tards. A TRUCK. THIS IS GOING IN A GODDAMN OLD TRUCK.
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- Car donors only, with excellent ride quality, no truck donors.
could be why we got confused
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how much money do you have?
new camaro is irs
svt cobra is irs
any corvette that is obd1. prob started with the lt1s
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my vote is for 03/04 SVT Cobra
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how much money do you have?
new camaro is irs
svt cobra is irs
any corvette that is obd1. prob started with the lt1s
Apparently you can't read either.
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- It must be new enough to be managed by a modern ecu, OBD1 or OBD2.
- It must not be so new that the donor car would be more than $10K
- 300Hp minimum in it's stock form
- Inline drivetrain, not any tranverse mount stuff.
- Gasoline / E85 Only, no diesel.
- Car donors only, with excellent ride quality, no truck donors.
- Four wheel independent suspension.
- Autotragic transmission...
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Anything AMG.
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yea you're right i owned myself.
i still vote for 03/04 svt cobra
or c4 corvette with lt1
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do a Cummins diesel swap :noel:
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I don't think 1940 internationals came OBD1. Just a guess.
You do understand what the OP asked right?
It's minister, how the fuck could he possibly understand.
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Anything AMG.
Oh hell, now that's interesting. A mercedes or bmw donor? Hmm, that could be as much fun as an asian drivetrain. Parts would be expensive tho.
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craig, do you have a truck already for this?
I don't own it yet, but I have one picked out.
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U should change your mind and do a diesel :yes:
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U should change your mind and do a diesel :yes:
+1 CR cummins.
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craig, do you have a truck already for this?
I don't own it yet, but I have one picked out.
what have you picked? why not grab an old studebaker truck? antique dead mfg with efi motor would be neato
Studebaker has absolutly no room in the cab for anything, and very little room in under the hood for modern electroncs and so forth. I did a small block chevy swap added airconditioning and even with the gas tank removed and seat set back ( gas tank is inside the cab from factory) it was very uncomfortable. The guy i built it for ended up selling it because it was so uncomfortable.
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I'm going to toss in my vote for Lincoln Mk8, but one caveat: they may be a 4V, but they aren't the Cobra 4V. Some corners were cut and if you want to breathe on it you'll have to replace a few things.
FYI, a lot of the emissions bullshit can be turned off very cheaply in the mid-late 90s Ford ECUs, super tuneable and stable.
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U should change your mind and do a diesel :yes:
+1 CR cummins.
4bd or 4bt on 75lbs should do it
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rx7 and lsx
done a few times where the parts are readily avialable, will handle nice, wont fail like a rotary, pleanty of support to make more power if wanted
done many many times.
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/BMW-Motor-750I-850I-V12-V-12-ENGINE-Transmission-GUAR_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem588452e621QQitemZ380177147425QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories#ht_500wt_956 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/BMW-Motor-750I-850I-V12-V-12-ENGINE-Transmission-GUAR_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem588452e621QQitemZ380177147425QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories#ht_500wt_956)
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SC300 drivetrain are cheap as fuck + lots of aftermarket for 2JZ.
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my votes:
- 4.3L V6T syclone/typhoon motor.
- jag or BMW V12 if you want a 'holy shit' factor when you pop the hood. or the toyota 1GZ V12 if you can find one. though, for the bimmers at least, they breathe so poorly you'd need boost to make much above 300. not really an ideal performance setup, but would make for some nice "when you see it, you will shit bricks" posters.
- northstars are pretty cheap and easy nowadays.
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SC300 drivetrain are cheap as fuck + lots of aftermarket for 2JZ.
If I go with the SC400...
Curb Weight: 3,604 lb (1,635 kg) (1992 SC 400)
Power: 280 hp (209 kW)/300 lb·ft (407 N·m)
...I'll have close to the stock power levels that I want, and potentially a complete suspension to transfer over.
The GS400 may be even better, although I'll need to bump to a newer car to get the drive train I want...
GS 400 was equipped with a UZ-series V8 that produced 300 hp (224 kW) and 310 ft·lbf (420 N·m)
Hmmm
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I'm going to toss in my vote for Lincoln Mk8, but one caveat: they may be a 4V, but they aren't the Cobra 4V. Some corners were cut and if you want to breathe on it you'll have to replace a few things.
same block, but non-forged internals, and the intake mani flows slightly worse. they will still hold 400+whp just fine. if you want to boost a bunch just toss in some pistons and rods and you should be good to go.
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Jag XJS. You can grab them for only a couple grand, and if you are rewiring everything, you escape the problems that all British made cars had in that era.
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How about All wheel Drive. You can pick up a wrecked WRX for cheap. I've seen wrecked STI's go for 10K or less and the drive train was mostly intact. A million things you can do to it also. Plus in a truck frame that motor would not be as much of a bitch to work on either. The auto wrx boxes are pretty stout from what i understand as well. Maybe a flat six out of an outback.
The LS1 Fbodys are not too bad of an idea but pretty common to see.
The mk3 supras are cheap and plentiful and have decent aftermarket support.
As far as the BMW the 850i V12 would be cool too see in a truck.
To be really unique the porsche 908 racing flat 8 would be cool to see but not practical in a truck cool none the less
Audi S4's in the A5 chassis like 1997-2001 can be had for 10k or less AWD Twin turbo V6 with aftermarket support
Just a few ideas not all had the 300hp from the factory but most can easily get there with very minor mods. My vote is something all wheel drive.
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SC300 drivetrain are cheap as fuck + lots of aftermarket for 2JZ.
If I go with the SC400...
Curb Weight: 3,604 lb (1,635 kg) (1992 SC 400)
Power: 280 hp (209 kW)/300 lb·ft (407 N·m)
...I'll have close to the stock power levels that I want, and potentially a complete suspension to transfer over.
The GS400 may be even better, although I'll need to bump to a newer car to get the drive train I want...
GS 400 was equipped with a UZ-series V8 that produced 300 hp (224 kW) and 310 ft·lbf (420 N·m)
Hmmm
I like 1UZ, but you need to get an early big rod motor and brethe on it. Check the SC-oriented forums, the actual power to the wheels isn't that great. If the vehicle the drivetrain goes into sheds a few hundred lbs then it'd probably be really zippy, just FYI.
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SC300 drivetrain are cheap as fuck + lots of aftermarket for 2JZ.
If I go with the SC400...
Curb Weight: 3,604 lb (1,635 kg) (1992 SC 400)
Power: 280 hp (209 kW)/300 lb·ft (407 N·m)
...I'll have close to the stock power levels that I want, and potentially a complete suspension to transfer over.
The GS400 may be even better, although I'll need to bump to a newer car to get the drive train I want...
GS 400 was equipped with a UZ-series V8 that produced 300 hp (224 kW) and 310 ft·lbf (420 N·m)
Hmmm
I like 1UZ, but you need to get an early big rod motor and brethe on it. Check the SC-oriented forums, the actual power to the wheels isn't that great. If the vehicle the drivetrain goes into sheds a few hundred lbs then it'd probably be really zippy, just FYI.
Damn JD beat me to it. Yeah UZ are only good stock in the early forms with big rods -92. The 2UZ is a waste of time with its pencil thin rods that break on stock tundras.
Vote is still for a 2JZ-GE. Hone it out for the turbo P2W clearance, turbo pistons for $40 each and make a shitload of power for pocket change.
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- northstars are pretty cheap and easy nowadays.
Yep, but the only way to get a complete donor car in rear wheel drive is with the Cadillac cars, and then only 2004 and up cars...
Year Model Power Torque
2004– Cadillac SRX 320 hp (239 kW) @ 6400 rpm 315 lb·ft (427 N·m) @ 4400 rpm
2004– Cadillac XLR 320 hp (239 kW) @ 6400 rpm 310 lb·ft (420 N·m) @ 4400 rpm
2004– Cadillac STS 320 hp (239 kW) @ 6400 rpm 315 lb·ft (427 N·m) @ 4400 rpm
Any of these is putting me into the $14K range.
It's important for me to get a rear wheel drive platform, so I can take as much from the donor as possible.
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You can pick up a wrecked WRX for cheap.
Intriguing!
HP to Weight is not too bad, a few hundred pounds heavier for the truck. Wheel base is close. My only concern is the stock hp rating of the EJ motors. If I pick up a later EJ255 I can get 230Hp factory hp, but that will be further weakened by the additional vehicle weight. I could end up 30% off from my hp target when it's all together.
I really love the sound of the boxer engine tho. It would really turn some heads just on the distinctive sound alone...
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You can pick up a wrecked WRX for cheap.
Intriguing!
HP to Weight is not too bad, a few hundred pounds heavier for the truck. Wheel base is close. My only concern is the stock hp rating of the EJ motors. If I pick up a later EJ255 I can get 230Hp factory hp, but that will be further weakened by the additional vehicle weight. I could end up 30% off from my hp target when it's all together.
I really love the sound of the boxer engine tho. It would really turn some heads just on the distinctive sound alone...
The question is, how are you gonna stuff that wide ass engine between the rails of a ladder frame?
Anything can be done, but it just seems like a far less than ideal situation.
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If you pick up any EJ25, welcome to cracked ring lands when bone stock.
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The question is, how are you gonna stuff that wide ass engine between the rails of a ladder frame?
If the donor car is complete enough, I may forgo the frame, and just graft the body of the truck onto the donor vehicle. That way, other than wheelbase / track changes of a few inches, the fab work is minimal.
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What about an Infinity M45 ?
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If you want AWD and lots of aftermarket support, go with an RB26. You can pick up a wrecked R32 GTR with the powertrain in perfect condition from up north for around 6k CAN. Import as parts car and call it done.
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What about an Infinity M45 ?
Initial look is promising. Better power than the equivalent LS430 for the same year and mileage, as well as being about 30% cheaper.
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the lt1 would be easy and theres probably someone thats already done it.
the 2jz would be legendary and i doubt anyones done it.
be a pioneer. and then do a "how to" write up.
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03/04 cobra
find one totaled with no drive train damage
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H6 POWA!
An H6 could be really cool. Open up the exhaust, and it will sound like a porsche:
Subaru Outback H6 - No exhaust (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FaWAoziYiA#normal)
Should be really fun with boost, and in a truck there might be enough room to change the spark plugs without removing the engine.
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:?:
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I know you said Car donor only but the '03+ Ford Expedition comes with a 5.4L and IRS.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2004-FORD-EXPEDITION_W0QQitemZ250532591268QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item3a54e7f6a4
(http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2004-FORD-EXPEDITION_W0QQitemZ250532591268QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item3a54e7f6a4)
Bet one would be super cheap if you could source one from a Salvage yard.
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I know you said Car donor only but the '03+ Ford Expedition comes with a 5.4L and IRS.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2004-FORD-EXPEDITION_W0QQitemZ250532591268QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item3a54e7f6a4
(http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2004-FORD-EXPEDITION_W0QQitemZ250532591268QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item3a54e7f6a4)
Bet one would be super cheap if you could source one from a Salvage yard.
Who in their right mind would want a 3 valve 5.4?
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I know you said Car donor only but the '03+ Ford Expedition comes with a 5.4L and IRS.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2004-FORD-EXPEDITION_W0QQitemZ250532591268QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item3a54e7f6a4
(http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2004-FORD-EXPEDITION_W0QQitemZ250532591268QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item3a54e7f6a4)
Bet one would be super cheap if you could source one from a Salvage yard.
Who in their right mind would want a 3 valve 5.4?
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Its a 2v SOHC, dumbshit. Same as in my Lightning.
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Its a 2v SOHC, dumbshit. Same as in my Lightning.
Ok.
Didn't click the link, and I am pretty sure that 03+ includes 05+.
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If you want AWD and lots of aftermarket support, go with an RB26. You can pick up a wrecked R32 GTR with the powertrain in perfect condition from up north for around 6k CAN. Import as parts car and call it done.
R32 RB26 = oil pump failure. $1200 plus labor to fit a later oil pump that doesn't suck.
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I drove a RWD WRX this week and, the car was a fucking blast to drive they should have been that way from the factory :yes:
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If you want AWD and lots of aftermarket support, go with an RB26. You can pick up a wrecked R32 GTR with the powertrain in perfect condition from up north for around 6k CAN. Import as parts car and call it done.
R32 RB26 = oil pump failure. $1200 plus labor to fit a later oil pump that doesn't suck.
Or get a crank out of an R33 for 500 bucks and not worry about machining.
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If you want AWD and lots of aftermarket support, go with an RB26. You can pick up a wrecked R32 GTR with the powertrain in perfect condition from up north for around 6k CAN. Import as parts car and call it done.
R32 RB26 = oil pump failure. $1200 plus labor to fit a later oil pump that doesn't suck.
Or get a crank out of an R33 for 500 bucks and not worry about machining.
Or get an engine you can actually get parts for here in the US, like a 2JZ, and not worry about silly things like oil pump failure, whilst making more hp and torque for significantly less money.
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He wanted to be different, so it's different and AWD.
And parts are readily available in the US for RB engines, where do you think I get mine?
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i still say BMW V12 if different is the goal with power being 2nd. power being 1st, 2jz sounds pretty good. ls1 doesnt sound too bad if different doesnt matter at all
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He wanted to be different, so it's different and AWD.
And parts are readily available in the US for RB engines, where do you think I get mine?
VZ and JZ bellhousings interchange. I can get parts for 2JZ over the counter at O'reillys and auto zone.
I agree with you the RB is different, but IMO the 2JZ is the better engine.
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i still say BMW V12 if different is the goal with power being 2nd. power being 1st, 2jz sounds pretty good. ls1 doesnt sound too bad if different doesnt matter at all
the v12 would be cool to see.
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He wanted to be different, so it's different and AWD.
And parts are readily available in the US for RB engines, where do you think I get mine?
But they are not consistently priced. $500 cranks are not fluent.
I like R32s and R34s, and hate Mk4 Supras (as well as it's R33 soul sister), but I'm with Robb that the 2JZ is a better engine.
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Chevy trailblazer I6.... 297hp 275tq
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i thought they were i5?
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The wife drives an 07 trailblazer LT, and for being a 4wd 5000lb pig, the 4.2 I6 makes that fucker MOVE! To bad it handles like a 5000lb chevy. I love it though. The drivetrain in them is great. And Johny they are 6's it was the smaller gm trucks that got the I5
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cool.
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But I know It dosent have irs, So you would have to come up with something else. But if you were to make it breath it would go good, add a little boost and it would be bitchen. And its supported by HP tuners.
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240sx rear... much like the piece that's sitting in my gf's parents' yard.
Your gf's parents have junk cars/parts laying in their yard? Fuck yeah. She was brought up right. 8)
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Uhhh yeah. Car trailer in the corner, bobcat next tot he shed, about 4 lawnmowers (3 without wheels), one of those hard truck bed covers for a Ford (they have all Chevys), crx in the garage, 63 vette in the garage, half an Apexi dunk exhaust behind the shed with my 240sx rear, and my heap of barely running shit parked out front. The place is a high tech redneck version of sanford and son.
Sounds cozy.
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What about an Infinity M45 ?
Initial look is promising. Better power than the equivalent LS430 for the same year and mileage, as well as being about 30% cheaper.
Exactly my thoughts.
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Uhhh yeah. Car trailer in the corner, bobcat next tot he shed, about 4 lawnmowers (3 without wheels), one of those hard truck bed covers for a Ford (they have all Chevys), crx in the garage, 63 vette in the garage, half an Apexi dunk exhaust behind the shed with my 240sx rear, and my heap of barely running shit parked out front. The place is a high tech redneck version of sanford and son.
Sounds cozy.