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[Urban Indian]

My not so mild 340 on a 200 shot in a tubbed and caged dart ran 10s... In 1988.

I was just born.........

[Teg2boo]

You used a sentense made by Xenocron  

Shame on you big boy.

[bigdaddyvtec]

No I used a sentence Xenofraud stole nigger

[trevor72]

i'm diggin all this v8 and old tech talk but there is much wrong in this thread. 

`basically cam is too small to ever ever ever make 475 crank.  numbers and predictions aside should be a fun little torquey motor for a stock cruiser and will be fine, just wondering what the goal was here?

` you seem to have a good set of heads on there and what i'd think is the right intake for that combo, don't know why the high compression but ok cool more comp can't hurt power esp with alum heads.  the big stroke is much more forgiving in terms of large cams so personally i'd put somethign much bigger in there even for a DD ride. 

`a carb never tunes itself not even a little bit  shame on you for believing this.  air bleeds simply affect the 'signal' the carb sees.

` mopars are great, and the 340 is a legendary motor, ever held a stock 340 rod in your hand? 

`power lost measured in % is an industry standard has been for a reallly long time

I think the bottom line here is that you're an idiot, looking forward to seeing it not make the power numbers you have dreamed up.

Thanks for playing ...

I concur

[random-strike]

i'm diggin all this v8 and old tech talk but there is much wrong in this thread. 

`basically cam is too small to ever ever ever make 475 crank.  numbers and predictions aside should be a fun little torquey motor for a stock cruiser and will be fine, just wondering what the goal was here?

` you seem to have a good set of heads on there and what i'd think is the right intake for that combo, don't know why the high compression but ok cool more comp can't hurt power esp with alum heads.  the big stroke is much more forgiving in terms of large cams so personally i'd put somethign much bigger in there even for a DD ride. 

`a carb never tunes itself not even a little bit  shame on you for believing this.  air bleeds simply affect the 'signal' the carb sees.

` mopars are great, and the 340 is a legendary motor, ever held a stock 340 rod in your hand? 

`power lost measured in % is an industry standard has been for a reallly long time

I think the bottom line here is that you're an idiot, looking forward to seeing it not make the power numbers you have dreamed up.

Thanks for playing ...

I concur

another expert.

did you see that i said tune themselves, which is dull down meaning it will work run right on lots of different motors. thanks for playing.

340 is legendary for being a turd boat anchor

power "loss" measured in % ONLY APPLIES TO COMPLETELY STOCK CARS.

drivetrain's eat horsepower PERIOD. it doesn't change depending on how much power you make.

another know it all

i

[bigdaddyvtec]

The loss percentage is NOT always constant throughout the RPM range though son.

Dew teh Maf

[trevor72]

typical Chebby guy

OK hot head, i don't have much time to argue with you, but will laugh at you instead. What i do have is first hand experience.

Congrats on your first build princess I hope it works out. 

[random-strike]

typical Chebby guy

OK hot head, i don't have much time to argue with you, but will laugh at you instead. What i do have is first hand experience.

Congrats on your first build princess I hope it works out. 

yea you're right douche bag, first motor i've ever built, and first car i've ever had.

dumbass.

[patsmx5]

i'm diggin all this v8 and old tech talk but there is much wrong in this thread. 

`basically cam is too small to ever ever ever make 475 crank.  numbers and predictions aside should be a fun little torquey motor for a stock cruiser and will be fine, just wondering what the goal was here?

` you seem to have a good set of heads on there and what i'd think is the right intake for that combo, don't know why the high compression but ok cool more comp can't hurt power esp with alum heads.  the big stroke is much more forgiving in terms of large cams so personally i'd put somethign much bigger in there even for a DD ride. 

`a carb never tunes itself not even a little bit  shame on you for believing this.  air bleeds simply affect the 'signal' the carb sees.

` mopars are great, and the 340 is a legendary motor, ever held a stock 340 rod in your hand? 

`power lost measured in % is an industry standard has been for a reallly long time

I think the bottom line here is that you're an idiot, looking forward to seeing it not make the power numbers you have dreamed up.

Thanks for playing ...

I concur

another expert.

did you see that i said tune themselves, which is dull down meaning it will work run right on lots of different motors. thanks for playing.

340 is legendary for being a turd boat anchor

power "loss" measured in % ONLY APPLIES TO COMPLETELY STOCK CARS.

drivetrain's eat horsepower PERIOD. it doesn't change depending on how much power you make.

another know it all

i

Drivetrain losses are not a constant. They change as the RPM and torque transmitted through them varies. They are usually estimated as a % loss, which is only an estimate and not really 'correct'. But it's not flat number either.

This is elementary. Friction loss = coefficient of friction times the normal force. IE- You place a wooden board on a table and push it across the table. This requires a force. If you put a weight on the board and then push it, it's harder to move because the normal force of the board against the table is higher, therefore the static and kinetic frictions are higher.

IE- two gears turning in oil. The faster they turn, the more losses their are from having to churn the oil. This is a quadratic varying load.
In the same example, power transmitted through the gears causes rubbing forces, bearing losses, etc, and these are linear varying loads. Double the torque transmitted and frictional losses (more or less) double.
Net loss through the two gears is complex.

In short, "drivetrain's eat horsepower PERIOD. it doesn't change depending on how much power you make." is incorrect.

[92CXyD]

somebody has been paying attention to his physic class. :yes: ;D

[random-strike]

i'm diggin all this v8 and old tech talk but there is much wrong in this thread. 

`basically cam is too small to ever ever ever make 475 crank.  numbers and predictions aside should be a fun little torquey motor for a stock cruiser and will be fine, just wondering what the goal was here?

` you seem to have a good set of heads on there and what i'd think is the right intake for that combo, don't know why the high compression but ok cool more comp can't hurt power esp with alum heads.  the big stroke is much more forgiving in terms of large cams so personally i'd put somethign much bigger in there even for a DD ride. 

`a carb never tunes itself not even a little bit  shame on you for believing this.  air bleeds simply affect the 'signal' the carb sees.

` mopars are great, and the 340 is a legendary motor, ever held a stock 340 rod in your hand? 

`power lost measured in % is an industry standard has been for a reallly long time

I think the bottom line here is that you're an idiot, looking forward to seeing it not make the power numbers you have dreamed up.

Thanks for playing ...

I concur

another expert.

did you see that i said tune themselves, which is dull down meaning it will work run right on lots of different motors. thanks for playing.

340 is legendary for being a turd boat anchor

power "loss" measured in % ONLY APPLIES TO COMPLETELY STOCK CARS.

drivetrain's eat horsepower PERIOD. it doesn't change depending on how much power you make.

another know it all

i

Drivetrain losses are not a constant. They change as the RPM and torque transmitted through them varies. They are usually estimated as a % loss, which is only an estimate and not really 'correct'. But it's not flat number either.

This is elementary. Friction loss = coefficient of friction times the normal force. IE- You place a wooden board on a table and push it across the table. This requires a force. If you put a weight on the board and then push it, it's harder to move because the normal force of the board against the table is higher, therefore the static and kinetic frictions are higher.

IE- two gears turning in oil. The faster they turn, the more losses their are from having to churn the oil. This is a quadratic varying load.
In the same example, power transmitted through the gears causes rubbing forces, bearing losses, etc, and these are linear varying loads. Double the torque transmitted and frictional losses (more or less) double.
Net loss through the two gears is complex.

In short, "drivetrain's eat horsepower PERIOD. it doesn't change depending on how much power you make." is incorrect.

damn those 8000hp top fuel dragsters and the 1200hp they lose in the drive train   

 

[92CXyD]

they actually lose upto 1000bhp turning the blower.

If they were turboed they would gain that 1000 hp back.

[bigdaddyvtec]

i'm diggin all this v8 and old tech talk but there is much wrong in this thread. 

`basically cam is too small to ever ever ever make 475 crank.  numbers and predictions aside should be a fun little torquey motor for a stock cruiser and will be fine, just wondering what the goal was here?

` you seem to have a good set of heads on there and what i'd think is the right intake for that combo, don't know why the high compression but ok cool more comp can't hurt power esp with alum heads.  the big stroke is much more forgiving in terms of large cams so personally i'd put somethign much bigger in there even for a DD ride. 

`a carb never tunes itself not even a little bit  shame on you for believing this.  air bleeds simply affect the 'signal' the carb sees.

` mopars are great, and the 340 is a legendary motor, ever held a stock 340 rod in your hand? 

`power lost measured in % is an industry standard has been for a reallly long time

I think the bottom line here is that you're an idiot, looking forward to seeing it not make the power numbers you have dreamed up.

Thanks for playing ...

I concur

another expert.

did you see that i said tune themselves, which is dull down meaning it will work run right on lots of different motors. thanks for playing.

340 is legendary for being a turd boat anchor

power "loss" measured in % ONLY APPLIES TO COMPLETELY STOCK CARS.

drivetrain's eat horsepower PERIOD. it doesn't change depending on how much power you make.

another know it all

i

Drivetrain losses are not a constant. They change as the RPM and torque transmitted through them varies. They are usually estimated as a % loss, which is only an estimate and not really 'correct'. But it's not flat number either.

This is elementary. Friction loss = coefficient of friction times the normal force. IE- You place a wooden board on a table and push it across the table. This requires a force. If you put a weight on the board and then push it, it's harder to move because the normal force of the board against the table is higher, therefore the static and kinetic frictions are higher.

IE- two gears turning in oil. The faster they turn, the more losses their are from having to churn the oil. This is a quadratic varying load.
In the same example, power transmitted through the gears causes rubbing forces, bearing losses, etc, and these are linear varying loads. Double the torque transmitted and frictional losses (more or less) double.
Net loss through the two gears is complex.

In short, "drivetrain's eat horsepower PERIOD. it doesn't change depending on how much power you make." is incorrect.

I believe I posted that in a form easier for us rednecks up here inthe NW to understand about two posts before this.


DOnt confuse him.

[Joseph Davis]

OK, I'm not reading 5 pages of Johnny Bliss attracting a flamewar (I don't see any other reason this thread is five pages so quick), but it looks sweet on the stand and I want video of it running.

[patsmx5]

i'm diggin all this v8 and old tech talk but there is much wrong in this thread. 

`basically cam is too small to ever ever ever make 475 crank.  numbers and predictions aside should be a fun little torquey motor for a stock cruiser and will be fine, just wondering what the goal was here?

` you seem to have a good set of heads on there and what i'd think is the right intake for that combo, don't know why the high compression but ok cool more comp can't hurt power esp with alum heads.  the big stroke is much more forgiving in terms of large cams so personally i'd put somethign much bigger in there even for a DD ride. 

`a carb never tunes itself not even a little bit  shame on you for believing this.  air bleeds simply affect the 'signal' the carb sees.

` mopars are great, and the 340 is a legendary motor, ever held a stock 340 rod in your hand? 

`power lost measured in % is an industry standard has been for a reallly long time

I think the bottom line here is that you're an idiot, looking forward to seeing it not make the power numbers you have dreamed up.

Thanks for playing ...

I concur

another expert.

did you see that i said tune themselves, which is dull down meaning it will work run right on lots of different motors. thanks for playing.

340 is legendary for being a turd boat anchor

power "loss" measured in % ONLY APPLIES TO COMPLETELY STOCK CARS.

drivetrain's eat horsepower PERIOD. it doesn't change depending on how much power you make.

another know it all

i

Drivetrain losses are not a constant. They change as the RPM and torque transmitted through them varies. They are usually estimated as a % loss, which is only an estimate and not really 'correct'. But it's not flat number either.

This is elementary. Friction loss = coefficient of friction times the normal force. IE- You place a wooden board on a table and push it across the table. This requires a force. If you put a weight on the board and then push it, it's harder to move because the normal force of the board against the table is higher, therefore the static and kinetic frictions are higher.

IE- two gears turning in oil. The faster they turn, the more losses their are from having to churn the oil. This is a quadratic varying load.
In the same example, power transmitted through the gears causes rubbing forces, bearing losses, etc, and these are linear varying loads. Double the torque transmitted and frictional losses (more or less) double.
Net loss through the two gears is complex.

In short, "drivetrain's eat horsepower PERIOD. it doesn't change depending on how much power you make." is incorrect.

\

I believe I posted thatin a form easier for us rednecks up here inthe NW to understand about two posts before this.


DOnt confuse him.

Lol. From South MS. I can talk redneck if need be.

[snm95ls]

I made it through about 2.5 pages and this came to mind.

[Sinister]

TUNA!!!

bullshit asshole, no one likes the tuna here

why dont you go to fatburger from now on, get a cheeseburger with fries for 2.95 faggot! hahaha

I agree with JD, im not reading 5 pages of flame wars but looks good, also want vid kthx

[1Fast68]

So I wasn't sure i was going to the HMT dyno day, but I am going to propose a wager.  You say this pile of shit is going to make between 350 and 375 RWHP. We'll call it 362.5  

If it makes 362.6 or greater I'll pay the $30 for your turn on the rollers. If it makes 362.4 or less, or your ass doesn't show up with the car, but a bucket full of excuses, you pay $30 for my dyno time.

Being its a Dynojet, it should make it that much easier for you.

Time for you to man up.  

[random-strike]

So I wasn't sure i was going to the HMT dyno day, but I am going to propose a wager.  You say this pile of shit is going to make between 350 and 375 RWHP. We'll call it 362.5  

If it makes 362.6 or greater I'll pay the $30 for your turn on the rollers. If it makes 362.4 or less, or your ass doesn't show up with the car, but a bucket full of excuses, you pay $30 for my dyno time.

Being its a Dynojet, it should make it that much easier for you.

Time for you to man up.  

ok,

but i have to tell you in advance that i will not be able to go if leeann hasn't had the baby yet 

[Joseph Davis]

Nonsense.  Pregnant women love loud cars, and the smell of leaded racegas.   


PS - whatchu naming the kid?

[j.h.christ]

PS - whatchu naming the kid?

edelbrock detroit kalashnikov gasmileage bliss

that's right motherfucker, 3 middle names

[random-strike]

Vic RPM PERFORMER Bliss

[random-strike]

she is due may 16th so obviously im not going to go if she hasn't had it yet lol

[Joseph Davis]

Nonsense.  Pregnant women love loud cars, and the smell of leaded racegas.   


PS - whatchu naming the kid?

[random-strike]

johnny earl bliss

[1Fast68]

johnny earl bliss

Does he come out of the vag wearing his white robe and hood or is he going to have to earn that?

[random-strike]

johnny earl bliss

Does he come out of the vag wearing his white robe and hood or is he going to have to earn that?

whats that supposed to mean?

[random-strike]

you know whats funny. i've know of this motor on a engine dyno making 440hp untuned 

[1Fast68]

you know whats funny. i've know of this motor on a engine dyno making 440hp untuned 

Well thats good, cuz believe it or not automatics will put down about 20% less to the tire.

440 x 80% = 352 hp.

[random-strike]

you know whats funny. i've know of this motor on a engine dyno making 440hp untuned 

Well thats good, cuz believe it or not automatics will put down about 20% less to the tire.

440 x 80% = 352 hp.

actually if we want to get really smart like the internet experts, the corvette auto trans drive train loss is 17.6%

362.56hp LOL

with my tune, i think i'll be ok.

but seriously, that 340 you got rules. good luck with that