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[bigdaddyvtec]

Youll still own number 1 WHPz slot.. I suyrely have no interest in going that far with the Accord.  Still, It will be laggy as FUCK without spray.

[Passenger]

Still, It will be laggy as FUCK without spray.

  What is your definition of laggy? I didn't find his car laggy last year, why do you think its going to be any noticeably different this year?

[danz]

Still, It will be laggy as FUCK without spray.

  What is your definition of laggy? I didn't find his car laggy last year, why do you think its going to be any noticeably different this year?

its all about the application right? 

drag cars dont need stupidly small restrictive turbos since they only use 2500rpm of power band at the very very top.

[Passenger]

Still, It will be laggy as FUCK without spray.

  What is your definition of laggy? I didn't find his car laggy last year, why do you think its going to be any noticeably different this year?

its all about the application right? 

drag cars dont need stupidly small restrictive turbos since they only use 2500rpm of power band at the very very top.

With different cams this thing would have a 4000rpm power band. Pretty decent in my books.

[bigdaddyvtec]

Still, It will be laggy as FUCK without spray.

  What is your definition of laggy? I didn't find his car laggy last year, why do you think its going to be any noticeably different this year?

Oh so this is a drag car now....I wasnt aware, I thought it was a streety car that occasionally went to the trac,. My bad.

Laggier it will be....    Strong as hell... Yes... Broad powerband, sure one thgat starts at 6k   yuk.

[d112crzy]

welcome to every honda motor thats <2.0l

[Joseph Davis]

Still, It will be laggy as FUCK without spray.

  What is your definition of laggy? I didn't find his car laggy last year, why do you think its going to be any noticeably different this year?

its all about the application right? 

drag cars dont need stupidly small restrictive turbos since they only use 2500rpm of power band at the very very top.

With different cams this thing would have a 4000rpm power band. Pretty decent in my books.

I wholeheartedly disagree.  You haven't spend several hundred hours on a dyno with that particular flavor of engine, a camshaft change does nothing of the sort for a B-VTEC.

[dvst8r]

6K - 10K is still a 4k power band it should do that with the cams that are in it. 

[bigdaddyvtec]

You have missed the point, however as Dave is smarter than both you and probably I (At least I thought, however common sense seemss to ellude Canadians IMHO), I would expect him to understand my statement and not retort with a stupid question.

You not so much.

 

[Passenger]

Still, It will be laggy as FUCK without spray.

  What is your definition of laggy? I didn't find his car laggy last year, why do you think its going to be any noticeably different this year?

its all about the application right? 

drag cars dont need stupidly small restrictive turbos since they only use 2500rpm of power band at the very very top.

With different cams this thing would have a 4000rpm power band. Pretty decent in my books.

I wholeheartedly disagree.  You haven't spend several hundred hours on a dyno with that particular flavor of engine, a camshaft change does nothing of the sort for a B-VTEC.

I should have specified, I was suggesting that a better set of cams, would help give him some more ceiling when he adds more rpm, all of which necessitate additional tuning.

The power on Levis engine start coming on pretty good at 5100rpm, I don't see much reason why his engine can't take 9500rpm.

[Urban Indian]

i think my exh. cam is advanced. I am going to take it to the machine shop and let them try and do it this time.

Last time was........ well.......... lets say sketchy at best



New bushings and my "aluminium" lower control arms. getting a heavy dosage of clear

[bigdaddyvtec]

That looks good holmes.

[Joseph Davis]

Still, It will be laggy as FUCK without spray.

  What is your definition of laggy? I didn't find his car laggy last year, why do you think its going to be any noticeably different this year?

its all about the application right? 

drag cars dont need stupidly small restrictive turbos since they only use 2500rpm of power band at the very very top.

With different cams this thing would have a 4000rpm power band. Pretty decent in my books.

I wholeheartedly disagree.  You haven't spend several hundred hours on a dyno with that particular flavor of engine, a camshaft change does nothing of the sort for a B-VTEC.

I should have specified, I was suggesting that a better set of cams, would help give him some more ceiling when he adds more rpm, all of which necessitate additional tuning.

The power on Levis engine start coming on pretty good at 5100rpm, I don't see much reason why his engine can't take 9500rpm.

You have no need to specify on that topic.  There are flat 9.0 second no-wheelie bar cars running OEM cams, and making the power Levi wants.  GSR cams are good to 9500+ if you want to torture the head taking it there all the time in order to get a decent powerband.  Why piss money away on aftermarket cams?  Why rev the engine past 8500 and shorten it's lifespan significantly?

You have good intentions and sound physical theory as it applies to hard nuts and bolts theory, but your experience in some practical aspects (both Honda engine specific and general) is nil.  Cam selection, IC selection, and there's been a difference between what Levi wants out of his streetcar and your view of it as a drag queen.  You've got a case of bigger is better mentality and need to get that under control.

[bigdaddyvtec]

Indeed....

The Ross monster had Stock GSR cams in it made as much power as Levis making, with a smaller turbo and revved to 10K regularly....  Trapping in the 140s

Having to rev to 10 K to get a powerband is gay (Let alone in a street car, which is what I thought this thing was supposed to be). To make it to the end of the track considering gearing and tire size is another story. Id rather have a powerband that came on earlier than having to wait until 6K plus... In a RACECAR where youre only using 2K of powerband fine. On the street gay, and so are you if you think different

[dvst8r]

My impression of this car has always been wrong then. I always assumed it was a streetable race car. Not a street car that sometimes goes to the track.

[Passenger]

Still, It will be laggy as FUCK without spray.

  What is your definition of laggy? I didn't find his car laggy last year, why do you think its going to be any noticeably different this year?

its all about the application right? 

drag cars dont need stupidly small restrictive turbos since they only use 2500rpm of power band at the very very top.

With different cams this thing would have a 4000rpm power band. Pretty decent in my books.

I wholeheartedly disagree.  You haven't spend several hundred hours on a dyno with that particular flavor of engine, a camshaft change does nothing of the sort for a B-VTEC.

I should have specified, I was suggesting that a better set of cams, would help give him some more ceiling when he adds more rpm, all of which necessitate additional tuning.

The power on Levis engine start coming on pretty good at 5100rpm, I don't see much reason why his engine can't take 9500rpm.

You have no need to specify on that topic.  There are flat 9.0 second no-wheelie bar cars running OEM cams, and making the power Levi wants.  GSR cams are good to 9500+ if you want to torture the head taking it there all the time in order to get a decent powerband.  Why piss money away on aftermarket cams?  Why rev the engine past 8500 and shorten it's lifespan significantly?

You have good intentions and sound physical theory as it applies to hard nuts and bolts theory, but your experience in some practical aspects (both Honda engine specific and general) is nil.  Cam selection, IC selection, and there's been a difference between what Levi wants out of his streetcar and your view of it as a drag queen.  You've got a case of bigger is better mentality and need to get that under control.

I'd agree with your first paragraph, your second one is as full of shit as you are.

I'm with Brett as having always been under the assumption that this was a race car that could be driven to the track.

[bigdaddyvtec]

No, MY car is a street car that sometimes goes to the track...

But how many times has this thing even ran well enough to go to the track thus far? How many miles are on it??? Now Im not hating as I like you guys, and the car. Its not even debatable it makes great power... BUT.... Levis car dont even have a cage, its hardly a racecar (a legal one anyways).... However, the way you guys are aproaching it is as if it were... Thats not debatable. Maybe it needs a bigger FMIC too???


Theres A LOT of unnecessary shit in it to do what youre trying to do I believe is JDs point.  Youre trying to reinvent the wheel, and failing. I agree with some of what hes saying. Yall haven't even taken care of the current issues before you go induce further variables.  Whatever.

Did I mention Ross' dad's car was faster,  quicker, daily driven and had 30K miles on it without ever having to come apart???


True story.
Maybe were doing it wrong??

[ratcityrex]

I just hope this thing isnt bucking and fucking all night long on the dyno!  :yes:

[Joseph Davis]

Still, It will be laggy as FUCK without spray.

  What is your definition of laggy? I didn't find his car laggy last year, why do you think its going to be any noticeably different this year?

its all about the application right? 

drag cars dont need stupidly small restrictive turbos since they only use 2500rpm of power band at the very very top.

With different cams this thing would have a 4000rpm power band. Pretty decent in my books.

I wholeheartedly disagree.  You haven't spend several hundred hours on a dyno with that particular flavor of engine, a camshaft change does nothing of the sort for a B-VTEC.

I should have specified, I was suggesting that a better set of cams, would help give him some more ceiling when he adds more rpm, all of which necessitate additional tuning.

The power on Levis engine start coming on pretty good at 5100rpm, I don't see much reason why his engine can't take 9500rpm.

You have no need to specify on that topic.  There are flat 9.0 second no-wheelie bar cars running OEM cams, and making the power Levi wants.  GSR cams are good to 9500+ if you want to torture the head taking it there all the time in order to get a decent powerband.  Why piss money away on aftermarket cams?  Why rev the engine past 8500 and shorten it's lifespan significantly?

You have good intentions and sound physical theory as it applies to hard nuts and bolts theory, but your experience in some practical aspects (both Honda engine specific and general) is nil.  Cam selection, IC selection, and there's been a difference between what Levi wants out of his streetcar and your view of it as a drag queen.  You've got a case of bigger is better mentality and need to get that under control.

I'd agree with your first paragraph, your second one is as full of shit as you are.

I'm with Brett as having always been under the assumption that this was a race car that could be driven to the track.

Let's see:

- cam selection you just ceded the point to me.
- that IC was too big and directly caused overheating problems.  There are far smaller cores that still maintain the peak 25 degrees above ambient IATs that your too-large one does, and since this is in an overpowered tin can the small cores simply never heatsoak.
- I might have misunderstood Levi about the direction of his car, but I see a young guy who hasn't been through a ton of setups and still asking basic questions.  If he came to me he'd have been steered toward a 450 whp car that would have run mid 10s with no traction on the street, and told to come back for more when he learned to drive it.
- I know a liiiiittle more about this than you do.  I hold power records on three local dynos and have spent entire days with several of the drag cars I've tuned at tracks privately rented out to 1-4 cars.  You can say I'm full of shit, but that's what you very much do not know talking.

[Joseph Davis]

Also, I wouldn't send a twenty-teen kid out the door with a 400 whp car and no cage.  If you don't care about the kid living or dying, at the very least a caged unibody car hooks a lot better, tracks straighter, and therefore makes your work look better. 

[bigdaddyvtec]

I just hope this thing isnt bucking and fucking all night long on the dyno!  :yes:

It won be, I believe they "fixed" that. We are out of there at 6. I promised Tommy that much. Barney was on the rollers till 10-11 PM last time.  I think theres another car or two that needs some "love", but if at the end people want to tune, well have to figure out a pay scale for it, and also understand. Were off the dyno at 6ish

[malichite]

My slut will definatlly need some tuning.  Hamburgler here chewed up all the time before I could get mine finished up.

[ratcityrex]

I will need some dyno love too!

[bigdaddyvtec]

I'd like to turn it up too... it will work out just fine... just this time no ten pm shit. Lol

[sewell94]

The cams wont be a problem, the turbo will be.

 I have a setup thats almost identical to levi's. Its laggy as fuck for a street car, its great for a drag car. Power from 5.5-11k. You have to bang the gears to keep the boost up .If levi would have talked to me i would have told him to put a 6765 on there. It'll make 900hp not be a lazy.

Anyone want to buy a 372??

[bigdaddyvtec]

6765 is a mean sumbitch fosho. Itd be alot more fun on the street

 Shit he might as well puit that 372 on the car... It MIGHT be able to "keep up" with the front mount... LOL 

[Urban Indian]

Guys guys relax.

I don't think you realize how cheap they make turbos these days. I can sell this turbo in a heartbeat and make money off selling it. Buy a smaller HX50 or something with the spare change. its not the end of the world. I trust Dave's decision's he has made about fabricating shit for this car. In the end we will see actually how this thing is going to spool & work


NO I will not be taking up alot of dyno time. I have the dyno for all of friday across the border so the power will be made there.

Worst case scenario?


I fucking hate the turbo and I sell it. No big deal, at the end of the day what am I here for? Controversy.

But who knows, I might just leave the car the way it is. Buy something else that is a fun rear-wheel drive car? I was getting tired of the car after driving the piss out of it for 2 weeks after it was finished last year. I don't even know what I want this car to be. Racecar driven to the track? Street car that I drive & take to the track on the weekends? Its just a car at the end of the day.

[sewell94]

If its not your your daily, who cares how stripped/gutted/ugly/bald it is.  If you have it to go out street racing/to the meets/to the track who cares as long as it hauls ass.   

 I dont care about how my turbo spools, my setup performs exactly as i planned for it.  Makes all the power i need from a stop. When i was building it i was planning on buying a dogbox, i'm not now. 

I didnt mean your turbo was a problem, i meant it was the reason for the slow spool, not the cams.

[bigdaddyvtec]

Fuck Canada

[Joseph Davis]

Fuck my mother, she's affordable.