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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: snm95ls on November 30, 2009, 11:23:19 PM
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So how many are on here? I have seen a few mention coursework and such in the past.
Discuss your hangs ups and achievements.
So far, I fail.
:P
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I'm studying mechanical engineering. And Fuuuuuuucccccccckkkkkk finals start thrusday.
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I'm studying mechanical engineering. And Fuuuuuuucccccccckkkkkk finals start thrusday.
Fuck my Statics class. That is all.
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I'm an ME major as well, graduate in May. I hated my stats class too more than anything.
edit: Statics? That shit is easy. You better make sure you understand it, because almost every other course you take will build upon it.
Wait for Johnny to chime in and call you a liberal faggot for going to college.
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I'm studying mechanical engineering. And Fuuuuuuucccccccckkkkkk finals start thrusday.
Fuck my Statics class. That is all.
I see jagojon beat me to it, but yeah, learn statics, it's fundamental for everything else.
Materials for ME design class is pretty hard for me, but I'm taking the "really hard teacher" vs. the "super easy-A teacher". Choose to do it that way though, cause I'd rather learn shit and make a C then learn nothing and get an A. I pay too much to go to school to be wasting my time/money.
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I'm an ME major as well, graduate in May. I hated my stats class too more than anything.
edit: Statics? That shit is easy. You better make sure you understand it, because almost every other course you take will build upon it.
Wait for Johnny to chime in and call you a liberal faggot for going to college.
The coursework is pretty easy, but the tests are a bitch. I guess I am either too distracted, too stupid for the major, or just too goddamn slow.
Mreh.
Johnny makes the big bucks so I can sponge off of him.
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C's and D's get degrees!
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No longer an engineering student, graduated and been working in engineering for 5 years now. I'm so glad I'm done with fucking college. 90% of engineering students end up with a Buisness degree anyway. And 50% of those dumbasses will demote themselves to communications.
Lim(engineering) = buisness
GPA->0
^^ if you understand that then you win the prize
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I see jagojon beat me to it, but yeah, learn statics, it's fundamental for everything else.
Materials for ME design class is pretty hard for me, but I'm taking the "really hard teacher" vs. the "super easy-A teacher". Choose to do it that way though, cause I'd rather learn shit and make a C then learn nothing and get an A. I pay too much to go to school to be wasting my time/money.
Understood.
I would be fine with that, but my GPA has taken major hits since getting out of the easy ass gen ed classes. You can only get so many Cs without ending up with a 2.0 GPA. :?:
No longer an engineering student, graduated and been working in engineering for 5 years now. I'm so glad I'm done with fucking college. 90% of engineering students end up with a Buisness degree anyway. And 50% of those dumbasses will demote themselves to communications.
Lim(engineering) = buisness
GPA->0
^^ if you understand that then you win the prize
FML
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I see jagojon beat me to it, but yeah, learn statics, it's fundamental for everything else.
Materials for ME design class is pretty hard for me, but I'm taking the "really hard teacher" vs. the "super easy-A teacher". Choose to do it that way though, cause I'd rather learn shit and make a C then learn nothing and get an A. I pay too much to go to school to be wasting my time/money.
Understood.
I would be fine with that, but My GPA has taken major hits since getting out of the easy ass gen ed classes.
The calculus shit is what killed me. Took cal 4 and D.E. for practice the first time. But now that I'm done with all the math, the engineering is easy. Haven't made a C in any of my engineering-specific classes yet, all A's or high B's that I couldn't pull up to an A.
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The calculus shit is what killed me. Took cal 4 and D.E. for practice the first time. But now that I'm done with all the math, the engineering is easy. Haven't made a C in any of my engineering-specific classes yet, all A's or high B's that I couldn't pull up to an A.
I have spent more time on calculus than I care to admit.
Statics has been my first real engineering class, and it has been utter hell. The instructor is notoriously difficult though. It looks as though I will not be passing it this time.
I need a drink or ten.
:D
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You go to MST?
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You go to MST?
MCC in KC right now. The plan is to transfer to MST next fall.
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Did first year Eng out of high school and hated it, switched to business ;D
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I'm a failure. Engineering was easy. Calc sucked. FUCK GOD DAMN MOTHER FUCKING RESEARCH PAPERS IN THE FUCKING ASS. I left school because I couldn't stand writing 3-4 15 page research papers every god damn semester.
Seriously, I understand why they exist. I really do. It doesn't mean I hate them any less. What I should have done was done the research for all of the papers and then paid some English Grad student to write my papers, but I'm too "honest".
I really don't miss college at all and I have absolutely no desire to go back. I do wish the little piece of paper that validates my existence as a relatively bright person. The fact that full blown idiots have degrees and I don't is a bit of a pill.
snm95ls: What don't you get about Statics? Are the questions difficult, long, or just the subject matter? Statics is a fairly easy class. Dynamics is significantly more difficult. If you search for "statics tutorials" in google, you will typically find some pretty sweet stuff. Any time I felt the book or my teacher was insufficient, I'd find something on google that would typically answer my question. I found some REALLY good flash tutorial from Michigan State I believe that really helped a great deal.
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I'm about to finish up my ME degree this spring.
I've done well so far. Formula SAE was the biggest mistake - takes up way too much time.
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Er...
I've got about 1.5-2 years of classes done...but I'm pursuing Computer/Electrical Engineering degrees (class load is very similar here)
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I'm a failure. Engineering was easy. Calc sucked. FUCK GOD DAMN MOTHER FUCKING RESEARCH PAPERS IN THE FUCKING ASS. I left school because I couldn't stand writing 3-4 15 page research papers every god damn semester.
Seriously, I understand why the exist. I really do, doesn't mean I hate them any less. What I should have done was done the research for all of the papers and then paid some English Grad student to write my papers, but I'm too "honest".
I really don't miss college at all and I have absolutely no desire to go back. I do wish the little piece of paper that validates my existence as a relatively bright person. The fact that full blown idiots have degrees and I don't is a bit of a pill.
snm95ls: What don't you get about Statics? Are the questions difficult, long, or just the subject matter? Statics is a fairly easy class. Dynamics is significantly more difficult. If you search for "statics tutorials" in google, you will typically find some pretty sweet stuff. Any time I felt the book or my teacher was insufficient, I'd find something on google that would typically answer my question. I found some REALLY good flash tutorial from Michigan State I believe that really helped a great deal.
Been working on a paper and two reports for the last few weeks. I KNOW what you mean, they SUCK!
But +9999999999999999999999999 on getting help/figuring it out if you don't get it. Worst thing you can do is sit and do nothing, and fail. Then you'll feel stupid. Statics really wasn't hard. But I know some teachers that can spend 30 minutes going over a 2 minute lecturer for a 5th grade class and leave the class confused. If your teacher sucks, teach yourself. Or better yet, make a study group and figure it out as a group. 3-4 dummies can figure it out together. But if your doing study groups, pretend to be smart and get in a group with the kids making A's, and study with them.
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You go to MST?
MCC in KC right now. The plan is to transfer to MST next fall.
My little brother goes to MST for Mining Engineering, he says the class load is rough.
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I'm about to finish up my ME degree this spring.
I've done well so far. Formula SAE was the biggest mistake - takes up way too much time.
I would like to talk about this.... I joined SAE a couple years back, and at the time I didn't get along with the dumasses that ran it, and after a month I got out. But now they're some decent people in there and I'm thinking of joining again. But I'll have a 12 hour load for my last 3 semesters, so I don't think it would kill me to join. Your thoughts?
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I'm about to finish up my ME degree this spring.
I've done well so far. Formula SAE was the biggest mistake - takes up way too much time.
But how else are you going to learn to wire things in the real world?
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I'm about to finish up my ME degree this spring.
I've done well so far. Formula SAE was the biggest mistake - takes up way too much time.
But how else are you going to learn to wire things in the real world?
By doing it wrong 20 times. :)
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snm95ls: What don't you get about Statics? Are the questions difficult, long, or just the subject matter? Statics is a fairly easy class. Dynamics is significantly more difficult. If you search for "statics tutorials" in google, you will typically find some pretty sweet stuff. Any time I felt the book or my teacher was insufficient, I'd find something on google that would typically answer my question. I found some REALLY good flash tutorial from Michigan State I believe that really helped a great deal.
I understand most of the material quite well. Homework grades went form 60s at the beginning of the semester to upper 80s. The tests are what kill me. 55 minutes, to setup ~ 11 problems. It sounds easy, but I guess I am just to slow.
I'm about to finish up my ME degree this spring.
I've done well so far. Formula SAE was the biggest mistake - takes up way too much time.
Congrats!
I can totally see how FSAE would eat up too much time.
My little brother goes to MST for Mining Engineering, he says the class load is rough.
I can totally see that. The difference, I would think, with being at the university is that you are surrounded by people who have similar goals pretty much all day every day. Maybe this is a naive way to think about it.
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I'm about to finish up my ME degree this spring.
I've done well so far. Formula SAE was the biggest mistake - takes up way too much time.
I would like to talk about this.... I joined SAE a couple years back, and at the time I didn't get along with the dumasses that ran it, and after a month I got out. But now they're some decent people in there and I'm thinking of joining again. But I'll have a 12 hour load for my last 3 semesters, so I don't think it would kill me to join. Your thoughts?
The biggest issue is not setting up a timeline, not sticking to a timeline, and taking on too many projects. If your chasis isn't built by the first day of class, you are 8 weeks behind. If your car isn't getting tested 6 weeks before competition, you are 8 weeks behind. If you aren't able to get your car running long enough to do 6 endurance races, you might as well not take the trip.
The best thing a FSAE group can do is contact local gear heads/speed shops that are young adults and have them come in and show them how to build things. Let the engineers design/engineer but let the guys with experience tell you how to build it and when you have a stupid idea.
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Just hang in there. If you can't pass statics then you will be wasting a lot of time and money trying to get an engineering degree.
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Just hang in there. If you can't pass statics then you will be wasting a lot of time and money trying to get an engineering degree.
Yeah, pretty much what I figured.
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I am almost done with my generals. I took clac 1 online and made an a, but could not differentiate something if my life depended on it. Well almost, my calc based physics teacher is beating this shit into our head. He has us trying to figure out dif eq already in dealing with waves(sound, energy). We also have already had to do some tripple integration (from what I have been told by other math majors this is all calc three is). I am trying to take calc 2 and calc based physics 2 next semester.
Someone that has an ee or ce degree, please tell me that it becomes easier/more interesting once I get past all these core classes(ex calc2, calc3, dif eq, calc based physics 2).
This physics is just really bogging me down. I just feel like I am not retaining as much from these classes as I should. Anyone else feel this way.
I feel like im doing terrible, but still score higher than 90% of the class. I just always feel like I am behind. I am by no means the smartest person in class, but I do try. Maybe I need to be easier on myself.
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I feel like im doing terrible, but still score higher than 90% of the class. I just always feel like I am behind. I am by no means the smartest person in class, but I do try. Maybe I need to be easier on myself.
IMO, this is a good state of mind to have. This way you're always pushing yourself to learn more and study harder. It's how I was when I was doing ME. I felt like I wasn't being productive in my learning, but yet I scored in the upper 5% of the class.
I did 1.5 years of ME, then dropped out for reasons unrelated to school. I had/have a 3.8GPA at University of Wa. I had just gotten most of the non major specific classes out of the way though, so my GPA doesn't really mean much.
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Adam, if I've told you once I've told you a thousand times - methamphetamines are your friend.
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Adam, if I've told you once I've told you a thousand times - methamphetamines are your friend.
If Ive told you once Ive told you a million times, I like my pot and my sleep. :noel:
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I am almost done with my generals. I took clac 1 online and made an a, but could not differentiate something if my life depended on it. Well almost, my calc based physics teacher is beating this shit into our head. He has us trying to figure out dif eq already in dealing with waves(sound, energy). We also have already had to do some tripple integration (from what I have been told by other math majors this is all calc three is). I am trying to take calc 2 and calc based physics 2 next semester.
Someone that has an ee or ce degree, please tell me that it becomes easier/more interesting once I get past all these core classes(ex calc2, calc3, dif eq, calc based physics 2).
This physics is just really bogging me down. I just feel like I am not retaining as much from these classes as I should. Anyone else feel this way.
I feel like im doing terrible, but still score higher than 90% of the class. I just always feel like I am behind. I am by no means the smartest person in class, but I do try. Maybe I need to be easier on myself.
Calc 3 is not just about triple integrals. There are many other useful topics in there that apply to your physics coursework. Vector analysis is very useful for e/m fields and many other things in physics and beyond.
Calc 2 was an absolute bitch for me. Many of the integration techniques show up in clac3, of course, but I haven't seen much use of them in other coursework so far.
Differential equations was very fascinating. There seems to be more real world use for diff eq than most of calculus. Unfortunately, if you don''t use it you lose it. I really did enjoy this class.
Some of the stuff I didn't quite understand from physics 1, made much more sense once I got into statics.
As far as Physics 2 goes, electrodynamics is very cool, yet very hard to grasp IMO because it is a more abstract topic.
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I'm in my freshman year at SUNY IT going for my degree in mechanical engineering technology. Its pretty much all gen-ed stuff at the moment.
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Is that a 2 year degree?
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Technology course should be 3 years, that's what I'm in right now.
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ME or EE here, not officially my major untill i transfer to UW madison. dont know what i want to do yet, electrical shit seems cool but i like machines.
calc 3 has been kinda hard but after taking calc based physics it makes a lot more sense
if i could do it again i would go calc 1, calc 2, phys 1+2, calc 3.
right now im really struggling with chem 2, i fucking hate this witchcraft-
teacher thinks hes the next fucking faraday or some shit and makes our tests super fucking hard.
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All of my usual sneering condescension aside, chem broke me. I could not fucking cope. I need some logical framework to hang off of, and too much of that shit was speshul case.
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I did 2 years in Mechanical engineering and change program to Software engineering.
I finish in exactly 1 year. I never go to school cause I'm tired of fucking school.
Theres 2 class this semester that I never went to. I'm over the average in both of them :noel:
Btw, it's not because it's easy, its because I'm intelligent ;) I could have all B's of all A's, but I would sacrifice my actual lifestyle and I can't do it.
I'm just tired of my 7 years post secondary school.
I really like to learn, but I hate school and the way to teach us thing.
D's for diploma.
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Btw, it's not the first time I ask for it, but how does your post secondary school work?
Here we have
- 5 years secondary school
- 2 years in thing called Cegep (pre University) or 3 years for a technical diploma (if you don't plan to go to University)
- 4 years at University to be an engineer or 3 years in any other subject
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Maybe I have forgotten, or didn't go as far in chemistry as some of you, but I don't recall that many exceptions to the rule. I have not taken organic chemistry though.
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Chemistry fucking blow king kong balls. Period.
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I was about to ask another question, but I find good information on wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_the_United_States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_the_United_States)
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I totally fucking fail at anything resembling math, so I could never be an Engineer of any sort.
I hit things with a hammer till they work. :noel:
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math is easy once you get the basics, chem on the other had is black magic that no one but witches and warlocks understand.
one day the prof mixed a bunch of CLEAR liquids and made a bunch of different COLORED solutions, i proceeded to stand up and screamed "witch" and made the suggestion that we burn him at the stake. my attempts to rid him were overshadowed buy another one of his spells he put on the class to protect him.
i would take up to and including 15 credits of literature to get around this chemistry bullshit.
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I vote johnny is idiot, everything else can be CNC by me for right price.
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Yeah, I need to brush up on that stuff. I found buiding square waves out of sine waves fucking fascinating, but it's a concept I only completely grasped visually as i never crunched enough of the math to make it second nature.
Sine Wave to Square Wave using Fourier Series (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6crWlxKB_E#normal)
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IIT I lament my lack of a proper signal generator. I'm half tempted to kludge something with an Analog Devices DSS chip.
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Yeah, I need to brush up on that stuff. I found buiding square waves out of sine waves fucking fascinating, but it's a concept I only completely grasped visually as i never crunched enough of the math to make it second nature.
Sine Wave to Square Wave using Fourier Series (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6crWlxKB_E#normal)
You familiar with Taylor series (expansion)? You can replicate any function with sine and cosine waves.
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Yeah, I need to brush up on that stuff. I found buiding square waves out of sine waves fucking fascinating, but it's a concept I only completely grasped visually as i never crunched enough of the math to make it second nature.
Sine Wave to Square Wave using Fourier Series (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6crWlxKB_E#normal)
You familiar with Taylor series (expansion)? You can replicate any function with sine and cosine waves.
Yeah, that's how we did it in class. The Fourier approach is fascinating, though, as I've not done any in over a decade and when I did them I didn't grasp Fouriers on the fundimental/instinctual level I need to in order to feel like I understand completely/correctly/blah blah blah.
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Chemistry fucking blow king kong balls. Period.
I somehow managed to be able to somewhat deal with Chem, it was all the English/Lit classes that broke me. At times, I'm happy I got out of college. I HATE writing fucking papers and it makes me miserable just knowing how miserable my gf is writing 3-4 10-15 page essays a fucking semester.
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I am most certainly not. I am not even close to that bright.
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Wait for Johnny to chime in and call you a liberal faggot for going to college.
<- software engineer
already out of college
you still in college? grow up
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2nd year mechanical engineering student here.
Any1 here get their MBA after getting a bachelors in engineering and do you think it is worth it if you want to get into a management position.
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MBA's take about a year to get...
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I graduated last May. I don't really use anything i learned at work. However, I'm doing an online grad school program and that requires a lot of the basics from my undergrad.
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Wait for Johnny to chime in and call you a liberal faggot for going to college.
<- software engineer
already out of college
you still in college? grow up
I know we had this conversation on OHMT, but you are not an engineer unless you have a BS in Engineering. Actually, you really aren't an Engineer unless you have a PE, but I'll except BS in Engineering. If you don't have a BS in Engineering, you are not an engineer. You are a technician or programmer or designer or some other fancy job title.
I'm always surprised when people struggle with chem. I never had an issue with Chem. I took it in HS and then College(Chem I&II) and never had much of an issue with any of it. Stoichiometry never bothered me much and the rest was math. I doubt I would do well in Organic Chemistry though. I'm pretty sure why I suck at school is because I inherently have a desire to learn a little about a lot. Survey classes were designed for me.
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gradiated this spring with BS in mechanical from VT, now i'm at Radford getting my MBA which takes 36 hours, can be done as fast or as slow as you want
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Wait for Johnny to chime in and call you a liberal faggot for going to college.
<- software engineer
already out of college
you still in college? grow up
I know we had this conversation on OHMT, but you are not an engineer unless you have a BS in Engineering. Actually, you really aren't an Engineer unless you have a PE, but I'll except BS in Engineering. If you don't have a BS in Engineering, you are not an engineer. You are a technician or programmer or designer or some other fancy job title.
I'm always surprised when people struggle with chem. I never had an issue with Chem. I took it in HS and then College(Chem I&II) and never had much of an issue with any of it. Stoichiometry never bothered me much and the rest was math. I doubt I would do well in Organic Chemistry though. I'm pretty sure why I suck at school is because I inherently have a desire to learn a little about a lot. Survey classes were designed for me.
Johnny has earned his spot on the poll.
I agree 100%. Holding a PE license is THE definition of an engineer although I would consider anybody who possesses a BS in Engineering and is practicing in the field to be for all intents and purposes an engineer.
Sounds kind of like me. lol Chem really was a struggle for me, and I have always been a jack of all trades, yet a master of none. I guess that trait can be useful, but I dunno.
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Johnny doesn't know anything about engineering, quit obviously.
Have some of you really been required to take O-chem? I took Chem 1 and 2 which were required, but some people did take O-chem as an elective and regretted it.
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there is different types of "engineering"
my job title = senior software engineer
tell everyone else in the world that disagrees with you
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there is different types of "engineering"
my job title = senior software engineer
tell everyone else in the world that disagrees with you
If you are a genuine engineer then someone who makes sandwiches at Subway is a genuine artist because their title is "sandwich artist"
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Johnny doesn't know anything about engineering, quit obviously.
Have some of you really been required to take O-chem? I took Chem 1 and 2 which were required, but some people did take O-chem as an elective and regretted it.
Organic generally isn't required unless you are going into chemical engineering.
Okay Johnny, we got it. You are an "Engineer" by name. Now kindly piss off.
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Unless they have a computer engineering degree I would consider them a programmer if that's what they do.
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Main Entry: 1en·gi·neer
Pronunciation: \ˌen-jə-ˈnir\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English engineour, from Anglo-French, from enginer to devise, construct, from engin
Date: 14th century
1 : a member of a military group devoted to engineering work
2 obsolete : a crafty schemer : plotter
3 a : a designer or builder of engines b : a person who is trained in or follows as a profession a branch of engineering c : a person who carries through an enterprise by skillful or artful contrivance
4 : a person who runs or supervises an engine or an apparatus
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there is different types of "engineering"
All of which require, by law, a PE certification before you can call yourself by that moniker. Because if you don't, jackbooted thugs come and violate your constitutional rights.
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Addendum: fucking idiot.
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MBA's take about a year to get...
I guess I have a shitty concept of time.
That's why they're a joke now. You pretty much just pay to go to school for an extra year for some letters.
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MBA's take about a year to get...
I guess I have a shitty concept of time.
That's why they're a joke now. You pretty much just pay to go to school for an extra year for some letters.
Still means someone went to school and got the letters. I still think a lot of college degrees are bullshit, but it still means someone spent 120-140 credit hours, did some amount of work, passed classes, learned something, and did it all to some unbiased person's level of satisfaction.
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MBA's take about a year to get...
I guess I have a shitty concept of time.
That's why they're a joke now. You pretty much just pay to go to school for an extra year for some letters.
joke or not, mba + engineering degree opens MANY doors
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MBA's take about a year to get...
I guess I have a shitty concept of time.
That's why they're a joke now. You pretty much just pay to go to school for an extra year for some letters.
joke or not, mba + engineering degree opens MANY doors
It depends where you want to go. That route will lead you towards a managerial career path. I'd much rather follow a technical career path and do my masters in engineering. The company i work for splits it up pretty much just like that. The managers end up managing senior engineers that make more than they do and the managers do bullshit work all day.
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MBA's take about a year to get...
I guess I have a shitty concept of time.
That's why they're a joke now. You pretty much just pay to go to school for an extra year for some letters.
Still means someone went to school and got the letters. I still think a lot of college degrees are bullshit, but it still means someone spent 120-140 credit hours, did some amount of work, passed classes, learned something, and did it all to some unbiased person's level of satisfaction.
I'm a few months away from receiving a philosophy degree. Don't you think I know this?
The problem with MBA degrees is that they don't actually open up as many of those doors that you're assuming that they do. They're held in little regard because many accredited universities have programs where you blaze through the degree in a small amount of time, normally around a year, doing little work for the degree. They were a hot ticket item for awhile, which is what caused the creation of these programs from universities trying to cash in on the rush, but it's not there anymore. If you wanted to get a masters, picking something other than an MBA would be a better course of action as it would show that you put a little more thought into your graduate studies.
Another great course of action for an engineering student is to go into law. If you can handle the law school, there's plenty of money to be made in patent law; however, most engineers don't pull top numbers on the LSAT and engineering programs don't tend to have the inflated GPA's that get individuals into grad school.
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go back to class boy
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go back to class boy
Become an engineer, or find another thread.
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i engineer epic threads
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Im a drop out. I do go to chico school of rock though
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go back to class boy
I will be happy to do so as long as you keep paying my tuition.
;D
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go back to class boy
I will be happy to do so as long as you keep paying my tuition.
;D
another worthless nig in the world i had to pay for :(
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go back to class boy
I will be happy to do so as long as you keep paying my tuition.
;D
another worthless nig in the world i had to pay for :(
Its a good thing you make the big bucks.
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there is different types of "engineering"
my job title = senior software engineer
tell everyone else in the world that disagrees with you
Trashmen are called sanitation engineer's. Job titles are something used to make people feel important. Thats why 99% of the people who work at Wal Mart have the term "manager" in their job title.
And generally, the longer your job title the less important you are.
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there is different types of "engineering"
my job title = senior software engineer
tell everyone else in the world that disagrees with you
Trashmen are called sanitation engineer's. Job titles are something used to make people feel important. Thats why 99% of the people who work at Wal Mart have the term "manager" in their job title.
And generally, the longer your job title the less important you are.
I'm the third assistant fry cook engineer manager
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there is different types of "engineering"
my job title = senior software engineer
tell everyone else in the world that disagrees with you
Trashmen are called sanitation engineer's. Job titles are something used to make people feel important. Thats why 99% of the people who work at Wal Mart have the term "manager" in their job title.
And generally, the longer your job title the less important you are.
Fuck, I must be super important then, I don't even have a title my business cards just have my name. :-\
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Fuck, I must be super important then, I don't even have a title my business cards just have my name. :-\
:D
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Whitey, if you care to share a little, what is your typical day like? What kinds of things do you actually do at work?
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there is different types of "engineering"
my job title = senior software engineer
tell everyone else in the world that disagrees with you
Trashmen are called sanitation engineer's. Job titles are something used to make people feel important. Thats why 99% of the people who work at Wal Mart have the term "manager" in their job title.
And generally, the longer your job title the less important you are.
wal mart everyone is called an associate. very few have "manager" in the title.
industrial engineer is just a title. you don't engineer anything
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Whitey, if you care to share a little, what is your typical day like? What kinds of things do you actually do at work?
I generally show up about 15 minutes late, I come in the back door so Lumberg doesn't see me. Then I just zone out... I just stare at my desk. I do this again after lunch. All and all I would say I do about 15 minutes of actual work.
And let me tell you something about TPS reports...
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he plays around with cad drawings so he can pay 1200 a month on a car
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industrial engineer is just a title. you don't engineer anything
I designed, built and prove out a machine that hydroforms a carbon sleeve into a titanium runner. I built a test rig that captures oil at points in space on a seal that is in the presidential helichoter. and I can keep going.
Lol, What "engineering" work do you do?
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He "engineers" threads to show how the man is keeping everyone down.
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Whitey, if you care to share a little, what is your typical day like? What kinds of things do you actually do at work?
I generally show up about 15 minutes late, I come in the back door so Lumberg doesn't see me. Then I just zone out... I just stare at my desk. I do this again after lunch. All and all I would say I do about 15 minutes of actual work.
And let me tell you something about TPS reports...
Great story. Seems like i have heard it before...
:P
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he plays around with cad drawings so he can pay 1200 a month on a car
Do be so upset your just an IT fag. I'm sure you do alot of engineering telling old ladies how to reboot their computers and installing keyboards.
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he plays around with cad drawings so he can pay 1200 a month on a car
Do be so upset your just an IT fag. I'm sure you do alot of engineering telling old ladies how to reboot their computers and installing keyboards.
No, Johnny uses software that other men wrote for him. He is an end user of retail application software engineer.
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Fuck, I must be super important then, I don't even have a title my business cards just have my name. :-\
:D
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Fuck school. School doesnt mean shit anymore, back in the day school mattered, a degree was worth the thousand and thousands of dollars you pay for classes and tuition, then if you had a degree you had status, school was expensive then and if you could afford to goto college you were already doing well off. Well not anymore, now everyone and their fucking retarded pet chimp has a degree, school is cheap, degrees are everywhere to be had, it does not set you apart from the crowd or give you much of a leg up in this world. In the end its not what you know but who you know, be the smartest motherfucker with shit tons of degrees and schooling but the person with the connection and less knowledge will still make more than you and get a job easier. Who you know, not what you know.
I see too many of my friends graduated college with degrees in engineering, business and other shit and they arent doing anything worthwhile with their degree. Graduate college with a degree in criminal justice = Work at costco! yay!
Fuck that, i'll hustle my whole life if thats what im in for with a degree, I do have an AA but that isnt hsit and doesnt make me feel 'special'
Moral of the story, fuck bitches, get rich, and HHH
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Fuck school. School doesnt mean shit anymore, back in the day school mattered, a degree was worth the thousand and thousands of dollars you pay for classes and tuition, then if you had a degree you had status, school was expensive then and if you could afford to goto college you were already doing well off. Well not anymore, now everyone and their fucking retarded pet chimp has a degree, school is cheap, degrees are everywhere to be had, it does not set you apart from the crowd or give you much of a leg up in this world. In the end its not what you know but who you know, be the smartest motherfucker with shit tons of degrees and schooling but the person with the connection and less knowledge will still make more than you and get a job easier. Who you know, not what you know.
Moral of the story, fuck bitches, get rich, and HHH
+1
I have my high school diploma, 3 years of various attempts at university, none of which match up enough even to get me a diploma, and my CWB/AWS structural welding tickets.
Out of the 10 people I consider close friends / family that make $250K+ a year. Only one has a post secondary degree. The one that makes the most money that I know barely finished Grade 8.
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Fuck school. School doesnt mean shit anymore, back in the day school mattered, a degree was worth the thousand and thousands of dollars you pay for classes and tuition, then if you had a degree you had status, school was expensive then and if you could afford to goto college you were already doing well off. Well not anymore, now everyone and their fucking retarded pet chimp has a degree, school is cheap, degrees are everywhere to be had, it does not set you apart from the crowd or give you much of a leg up in this world. In the end its not what you know but who you know, be the smartest motherfucker with shit tons of degrees and schooling but the person with the connection and less knowledge will still make more than you and get a job easier. Who you know, not what you know.
I see too many of my friends graduated college with degrees in engineering, business and other shit and they arent doing anything worthwhile with their degree. Graduate college with a degree in criminal justice = Work at costco! yay!
Fuck that, i'll hustle my whole life if thats what im in for with a degree, I do have an AA but that isnt hsit and doesnt make me feel 'special'
Moral of the story, fuck bitches, get rich, and HHH
That what people who are too dumb to go to school and people who are in liberal arts studies say.
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I make stuff. I play punk music. Boo for fallin. zc. Drop out. Tupac. Holset.
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i did EE, for about 2 years, i just got tired of it, and said fuck it. i did like the engineering courses, but it got old, so i moved on. :-\
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It got old? Sounds like an excuse.
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he plays around with cad drawings so he can pay 1200 a month on a car
Do be so upset your just an IT fag. I'm sure you do alot of engineering telling old ladies how to reboot their computers and installing keyboards.
yea right.
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Engineering programs should be in a tech school, not a university.
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Fuck school. School doesnt mean shit anymore, back in the day school mattered, a degree was worth the thousand and thousands of dollars you pay for classes and tuition, then if you had a degree you had status, school was expensive then and if you could afford to goto college you were already doing well off. Well not anymore, now everyone and their fucking retarded pet chimp has a degree, school is cheap, degrees are everywhere to be had, it does not set you apart from the crowd or give you much of a leg up in this world. In the end its not what you know but who you know, be the smartest motherfucker with shit tons of degrees and schooling but the person with the connection and less knowledge will still make more than you and get a job easier. Who you know, not what you know.
I see too many of my friends graduated college with degrees in engineering, business and other shit and they arent doing anything worthwhile with their degree. Graduate college with a degree in criminal justice = Work at costco! yay!
Fuck that, i'll hustle my whole life if thats what im in for with a degree, I do have an AA but that isnt hsit and doesnt make me feel 'special'
Moral of the story, fuck bitches, get rich, and HHH
That what people who are too dumb to go to school and people who are in liberal arts studies say.
While your statement is completely true, at the same time it's the grade 8 dropouts with 125% work ethic who find wierd niche markets and make a lot of money.
Engineering programs should be in a tech school, not a university.
While I agree, why waste time or energy or resources by seperating them? Engineering students are already treated as second class citizens by the liberal arts teachers, doesn't seem like any more seperation is needed.
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So they don't have to dumb down the lower level liberal arts classes so dull engineering students can pass and go on to being male equivalent of being a nurse.
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So they don't have to dumb down the lower level liberal arts classes so dull engineering students can pass and go on to being male equivalent of being a nurse.
Engineers... the ones who do actual engineering, anyway... do a little more than wipe a machine's ass. Which is what RNs do.
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private college > public mush
it cost me a lot more, but maybe worth it? doubt it. not a huge believer in college anymore
JD bangs brooms on machines to fix them
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private college > public mush
it cost me a lot more, but maybe worth it? doubt it. not a huge believer in college anymore
JD bangs brooms on machines to fix them
And you pound your gorilla fists on a keyboard to write code.
:P
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actually i use speech software and yell at it
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JD bangs brooms on machines to fix them
You could at least try, Johnny. That was the lamest thing I've ever read.
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Liberal arts embodies what college was intended to do. Which is making a person appear to be educated enough to make important decisions so that the graduate will then be valued for their reason, freeing them from manual labor.
Engineering is glorified manual labor. You all should have gone for philosophy.
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There's a little bit more to dealing with open source (the majority of IT software and research) than mashing a keyboard.... but it's ok.
lol r-s
I was more trying to imply that Johnny is a silver back, not that coding is easy.
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Liberal arts embodies what college was intended to do. Which is making a person appear to be educated enough to make important decisions so that the graduate will then be valued for their reason, freeing them from manual labor.
Engineering is glorified manual labor. You all should have gone for philosophy.
True, but without it the regular ditch diggers wouldn't be able to keep you fat lazy liberal arts types in electricity, transportation, and running water. Further, your mentality explains why you chose suh a tiny turbo for Project Cuteboost - too goddamn lazy to lift anything bigger.
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Philosophy is glorified idleness.
If you would have majored in philosophy, perhaps you would have been able to successfully argue this point; however, since you studied physics, you targeted me for my original premise and not the fact that I derived an ought from an is. You should have read your Hume, motherfucker.
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The only Hume I read is Desmond.
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So rawr is back?
:?:
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So they don't have to dumb down the lower level liberal arts classes so dull engineering students can pass and go on to being male equivalent of being a nurse.
I will ride calebs dick - HARD - regardless of his username.
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You're just upset your fickle, Slavic asshole lacks the elasticity to ride my dick " - HARD -".
How are you doing, Yuriy?
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better than you McPhilosopher
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better than you McPhilosopher
Good to hear.
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Goddammit!
This is why we can't have nice things.
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It got old? Sounds like an excuse.
it was, and i thought about going back to EE. but im over it now.
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Goddammit!
This is why we can't have nice things.
Damnit And I was fuckin eating!
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Graduated as an ME 2 years ago. Been working as an aerospace project/design engineer designing motors. If you want to make money I highly suggest aerospace and going from project engineer to project manager or program manager. My job is easy is fuck and there is always someone else to blame when every thing is fubar and late.
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Fuck school. School doesnt mean shit anymore, back in the day school mattered, a degree was worth the thousand and thousands of dollars you pay for classes and tuition, then if you had a degree you had status, school was expensive then and if you could afford to goto college you were already doing well off. Well not anymore, now everyone and their fucking retarded pet chimp has a degree, school is cheap, degrees are everywhere to be had, it does not set you apart from the crowd or give you much of a leg up in this world. In the end its not what you know but who you know, be the smartest motherfucker with shit tons of degrees and schooling but the person with the connection and less knowledge will still make more than you and get a job easier. Who you know, not what you know.
I see too many of my friends graduated college with degrees in engineering, business and other shit and they arent doing anything worthwhile with their degree. Graduate college with a degree in criminal justice = Work at costco! yay!
Fuck that, i'll hustle my whole life if thats what im in for with a degree, I do have an AA but that isnt hsit and doesnt make me feel 'special'
Moral of the story, fuck bitches, get rich, and HHH
That what people who are too dumb to go to school and people who are in liberal arts studies say.
No, actually its not, its what i've seen and experienced, college doesn't guarantee you shit and doesn't set you apart from anyone, but kudos if you make it work for you, try not to dig yourself too deep into debt from student loans
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No, actually its not, its what i've seen and experienced, college doesn't guarantee you shit and doesn't set you apart from anyone, but kudos if you make it work for you, try not to dig yourself too deep into debt from student loans
State Schools FTW. I pay a third as much as many of my classmates, and I'm paying a lot of it off immediately
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No, actually its not, its what i've seen and experienced, college doesn't guarantee you shit and doesn't set you apart from anyone, but kudos if you make it work for you, try not to dig yourself too deep into debt from student loans
State Schools FTW. I pay a third as much as many of my classmates, and I'm paying a lot of it off immediately
You can do a state school out of pocket, and if you're worth a shit you get paid for your garduate degree.
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No, actually its not, its what i've seen and experienced, college doesn't guarantee you shit and doesn't set you apart from anyone, but kudos if you make it work for you, try not to dig yourself too deep into debt from student loans
State Schools FTW. I pay a third as much as many of my classmates, and I'm paying a lot of it off immediately
You can do a state school out of pocket, and if you're worth a shit you get paid for your garduate degree.
In your state, yes. In oho, not really.
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Graduated with an A.S. Engineering, A.S. Physics, and A.S. Mathematics May '08. ;D
Was planning to go to University of Wyoming to get a B.S. M.E. and move to Laramie for 2 yrs.
But then my present job fell into my lap. I get an office, parking space, a decent salary, and travel on company's dime.
Now if I finish my M.E. degree I'll probably take classes by internet through UND and take the labs up in Grand Forks (only two).
The manufacturing part of the curriculum I see everyday at the foundry.
Along with Thermo. and Fluids on a level they do not teach in college.
And since I'm a little Tech. savvy I have the Management coming to me when using a spectrometer and any new software. ;D
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Can someone explain how to install Catia V6?
Oh, and bannish Yuriney for that gross display of GP
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Liberal arts embodies what college was intended to do. Which is making a person appear to be educated enough to make important decisions so that the graduate will then be valued for their reason, freeing them from manual labor.
Engineering is glorified manual labor. You all should have gone for philosophy.
I'm confused. Engineers that show up in dress clothing daily are doing so to do manual labor?
So much retardation in this thread it's kind of appalling. I never cared for Rawr, but this is the type of thread he would excel in.
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I never cared for Rawr, but this is the type of thread he would excel in.
LlOoOlL
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I never cared for Rawr, but this is the type of thread he would excel in.
LlOoOlL
;D
And yes philosophy is glorified idleness.
Don't hate the game, hate on the player and blame it on the game.
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Liberal arts embodies what college was intended to do. Which is making a person appear to be educated enough to make important decisions so that the graduate will then be valued for their reason, freeing them from manual labor.
Engineering is glorified manual labor. You all should have gone for philosophy.
I'm confused. Engineers that show up in dress clothing daily are doing so to do manual labor?
So much retardation in this thread it's kind of appalling. I never cared for Rawr, but this is the type of thread he would excel in.
I lol'd.
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Mechanical is the shit, fuck you other fuckers
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Liberal arts embodies what college was intended to do. Which is making a person appear to be educated enough to make important decisions so that the graduate will then be valued for their reason, freeing them from manual labor.
Engineering is glorified manual labor. You all should have gone for philosophy.
I'm confused. Engineers that show up in dress clothing daily are doing so to do manual labor?
So much retardation in this thread it's kind of appalling. I never cared for Rawr, but this is the type of thread he would excel in.
You are confused because rawr is using you for a mental chewtoy.
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Liberal arts embodies what college was intended to do. Which is making a person appear to be educated enough to make important decisions so that the graduate will then be valued for their reason, freeing them from manual labor.
Engineering is glorified manual labor. You all should have gone for philosophy.
and mcnugget fryer is glorified french fryer whats your point
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Liberal arts embodies what college was intended to do. Which is making a person appear to be educated enough to make important decisions so that the graduate will then be valued for their reason, freeing them from manual labor.
Engineering is glorified manual labor. You all should have gone for philosophy.
I'm confused. Engineers that show up in dress clothing daily are doing so to do manual labor?
So much retardation in this thread it's kind of appalling. I never cared for Rawr, but this is the type of thread he would excel in.
Interesting. I usually enjoy your posts. I'm appalled that the feeling isn't reciprocated among us, really.
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Liberal arts embodies what college was intended to do. Which is making a person appear to be educated enough to make important decisions so that the graduate will then be valued for their reason, freeing them from manual labor.
Engineering is glorified manual labor. You all should have gone for philosophy.
I'm confused. Engineers that show up in dress clothing daily are doing so to do manual labor?
So much retardation in this thread it's kind of appalling. I never cared for Rawr, but this is the type of thread he would excel in.
Interesting. I usually enjoy your posts. I'm appalled that the feeling isn't reciprocated among us, really.
I never cared for you for the following reasons.
-Turbothis.net
-Gay porn
- Ohio
- Leftover Crack
Not to mention, you aren't trolling NEARLY hard enough in this thread. Not enough paragraphs including words of 5 or more syllables to really constitute a rawr like effort. Step up your game.
PS: Someone change Rawr's user name back to Rawr. I look like an idiot as a result of his new user name.
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I never cared for you for the following reasons.
-Turbothis.net
-Gay porn
- Ohio
- Leftover Crack
Not to mention, you aren't trolling NEARLY hard enough in this thread. Not enough paragraphs including words of 5 or more syllables to really constitute a rawr like effort. Step up your game.
PS: Someone change Rawr's user name back to Rawr. I look like an idiot as a result of his new user name.
Agreed, but I don't care for rawr more so for the fact that he is a beligerant faggot than anything else.
Correction... you just look like an idiot.
Henry strikes again.
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Did a BS and MS in ME. In aerospace engineering now for the next 4 years. :?:
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Did a BS and MS in ME. In aerospace engineering now for the next 4 years. :?:
working in aerospace or in school, there are plenty of jobs in aerospace for an ME, I found one without looking
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I live in a van and play bass guitar
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Did a BS and MS in ME. In aerospace engineering now for the next 4 years. :?:
working in aerospace or in school, there are plenty of jobs in aerospace for an ME, I found one without looking
I would think that varies greatly by location, but good to know.
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If I go through the whole UND school thing I can get a B.S. ME with an Aerospace Engineering concentration. ;D
I originally wanted to get an Aerospace Engineering and Engineering Physics degree back in the early '90s but got a little side tracked.
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EE Major, CS Minor.
5 years of my life I will never get back and never use aside from minor PHP code mods and random machine debugging.
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I have a friend that graduated with honors from georgia tech, aerospace engineer. He designs door handles on air planes. $300k degree + honors = door handles. Yep.
there is different types of "engineering"
my job title = senior software engineer
tell everyone else in the world that disagrees with you
Trashmen are called sanitation engineer's. Job titles are something used to make people feel important. Thats why 99% of the people who work at Wal Mart have the term "manager" in their job title.
And generally, the longer your job title the less important you are.
wal mart everyone is called an associate. very few have "manager" in the title.
industrial engineer is just a title. you don't engineer anything
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working in aerospace or in school, there are plenty of jobs in aerospace for an ME, I found one without looking
I'm not too concerned with finding a job. I worked in the aerospace field part time while I was doing my MS in ME.
I have a friend that graduated with honors from georgia tech, aerospace engineer. He designs door handles on air planes. $300k degree + honors = door handles. Yep.
I know a few people at Boeing in Seattle that do similar shit. One of them works on curtains that divide first class and economy (or whatever the fuck they call coach now). Another one does "floor structures", which I found out is really just carpeting. So yeah, they're basically interior decorators with engineering degrees.
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I live in a van and play bass guitar
I almost woke the neighbors with my laughter. Well played indeed.
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I live in a van and play bass guitar
I almost woke the neighbors with my laughter. Well played indeed.
Is that your mating call, that those ugly triplets know to come over?
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I live in a van and play bass guitar
I almost woke the neighbors with my laughter. Well played indeed.
Is that your mating call, that those ugly triplets know to come over?
You mean the ones you asked for more and more pictures of on AIM? ???
You've done better on so many other occasions...you are slippin'. I am afraid I am going to have to retract on internet Sir. :(
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I live in a van and play bass guitar
I almost woke the neighbors with my laughter. Well played indeed.
Is that your mating call, that those ugly triplets know to come over?
You mean the ones you asked for more and more pictures of on AIM? ???
It was like a car crash, I couldn't look away.
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I live in a van and play bass guitar
I almost woke the neighbors with my laughter. Well played indeed.
Is that your mating call, that those ugly triplets know to come over?
You mean the ones you asked for more and more pictures of on AIM? ???
It was like a car crash, I couldn't look away.
Was that before or after you tried to start cybering me? :-X
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I live in a van and play bass guitar
I almost woke the neighbors with my laughter. Well played indeed.
Is that your mating call, that those ugly triplets know to come over?
You mean the ones you asked for more and more pictures of on AIM? ???
It was like a car crash, I couldn't look away.
Was that before or after you tried to start cybering me? :-X
You're black. By now you should be used to everyone wanting to fuck you in private, then treating you like a second class citizen in public.
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I paid money for a 2 year degree to be a damn PC monkey. I do shit in AD and with the whole Microsoft SMS suite, i get to watch folks who went to work right out of HS at the Shipyard here make like 10K more a year than me. Its awesome.
Im surrounded by military so if i don't have either sec clearance, or prior Military experience then i lose. Hard to move out of entry level here unless you got a couple grand to dump into certs all at once. Pains me that i have to waste money on Sec+ and shit to get my foot in. such is life.
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BS in CE in progress at CSUS. Expected Spring '11
EIT certified 2 yrs into the program O0
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LOL I have a Bachelors in Business from UW. Now I'm a Radiological Control Tech at a nuke plant. So far, that pretty degree has been worthless. I kinda figured it would be, even as I was getting it. But I got lucky with this job, so I shouldn't complain. I shouldn't...but I will anyways.
I'm not ENTIRELY sure that any college degree is all that useful. I donno.
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LOL I have a Bachelors in Business from UW. Now I'm a Radiological Control Tech at a nuke plant. So far, that pretty degree has been worthless. I kinda figured it would be, even as I was getting it. But I got lucky with this job, so I shouldn't complain. I shouldn't...but I will anyways.
I'm not ENTIRELY sure that any college degree is all that useful. I donno.
Like I said in the other thread, your a dude. Prove me wrong. >:(
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I'm gonna go back to school next year I'm thinking about electrical engineering. My only real goal is to be smarter than Dave a Joseph put together though.
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I'm gonna go back to school next year I'm thinking about electrical engineering. My only real goal is to be smarter than Dave a Joseph put together though.
Oh yeah and nail the chick that Feona dude is pretending to be.
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I'm gonna go back to school next year I'm thinking about electrical engineering. My only real goal is to be smarter than Dave a Joseph put together though.
Oh yeah and nail the chick that Feona dude is pretending to be.
LOL.
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LOL I have a Bachelors in Business from UW. Now I'm a Radiological Control Tech at a nuke plant. So far, that pretty degree has been worthless. I kinda figured it would be, even as I was getting it. But I got lucky with this job, so I shouldn't complain. I shouldn't...but I will anyways.
I'm not ENTIRELY sure that any college degree is all that useful. I donno.
Like I said in the other thread, your a dude. Prove me wrong. >:(
Uh, that's a Liberal Arts graduate's opinion that Feona expressed, Rob. If Feona is a dude then he smokes more pole than rawr and Yuriy put together.
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LOL I have a Bachelors in Business from UW. Now I'm a Radiological Control Tech at a nuke plant. So far, that pretty degree has been worthless. I kinda figured it would be, even as I was getting it. But I got lucky with this job, so I shouldn't complain. I shouldn't...but I will anyways.
I'm not ENTIRELY sure that any college degree is all that useful. I donno.
Like I said in the other thread, your a dude. Prove me wrong. >:(
Uh, that's a Liberal Arts graduate's opinion that Feona expressed, Rob. If Feona is a dude then he smokes more pole than rawr and Yuriy put together.
I don't think Feona is a dude, there are valid points there. I have a "degree" to diagnose, service, repair, and modify motorcycles watercraft and ATV's. I currently work from home under-cutting dealership labor rates, am behind on rent, and have an EBT card in my wallet. (Thanks Johnny! ;))
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I'm an ME major as well, graduate in May. I hated my stats class too more than anything.
edit: Statics? That shit is easy. You better make sure you understand it, because almost every other course you take will build upon it.
Wait for Johnny to chime in and call you a liberal faggot for going to college.
why is it that every senior in ME thinks statics is statistics?
After getting my mind raped by Beer & Johnston's Vector Mechanics for Engineers : Statics and Dynamics 8th edition, I will never, ever mistake those words. :P
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LOL I have a Bachelors in Business from UW. Now I'm a Radiological Control Tech at a nuke plant. So far, that pretty degree has been worthless. I kinda figured it would be, even as I was getting it. But I got lucky with this job, so I shouldn't complain. I shouldn't...but I will anyways.
I'm not ENTIRELY sure that any college degree is all that useful. I donno.
Like I said in the other thread, your a dude. Prove me wrong. >:(
Uh, that's a Liberal Arts graduate's opinion that Feona expressed, Rob. If Feona is a dude then he smokes more pole than rawr and Yuriy put together.
Ha! How novel.
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I'm an ME major as well, graduate in May. I hated my stats class too more than anything.
edit: Statics? That shit is easy. You better make sure you understand it, because almost every other course you take will build upon it.
Wait for Johnny to chime in and call you a liberal faggot for going to college.
why is it that every senior in ME thinks statics is statistics?
After getting my mind raped by Beer & Johnston's Vector Mechanics for Engineers : Statics and Dynamics 8th edition, I will never, ever mistake those words. :P
I have use the 5th edition '92, 7th edition for '06 Statics, 8th edition for '07 Dynamics. I keep all my Engineering books.
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We had a PLC programmer guy out here the other day who supposedly specializes in siemens s5/step5 stuff. Guy told me he had an art degree from old miss and learned to do this stuff on his own. Needless to say, after watching him bumble around for an hour accomplishing nothing I sent him home. Where have all the good EE's gone?
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We just had a lab programming a PLC for an automatic car wash a few weeks ago, kind of a pain but it was actually fun O0
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fago arent you in you a little old to be in school
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No way I don't think you're supposed to graduate until you're 35 or something
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No way I don't think you're supposed to graduate until you're 35 or something
Yeah I graduated at 35. ;D
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I used PLC's on two machines I built and right now I'm retrofitting a machine that has an AB PLC and panelview touchscreen that I need to reprogram.
PLC programming is a good skill to know
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We had a PLC programmer guy out here the other day who supposedly specializes in siemens s5/step5 stuff. Guy told me he had an art degree from old miss and learned to do this stuff on his own. Needless to say, after watching him bumble around for an hour accomplishing nothing I sent him home. Where have all the good EE's gone?
You need to be an EE to program a PLC? Must be the D student ones who specialize in that as it's brutally simple logic. Admittedly I haven't dealt with anything super high end, but I trained on some recent low and mid end Allen Bradley gear, as well as some jap stuff that escapes me at the moment. It's simple ladder logic; power, ground, switches, coils, timers, lights, and other mundane crap.
JD is old and still hasn't gradiated
I'm not 40 yet. Jago clearly said you're not supposed to graduate until 40.
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You need to be an EE to program a PLC? Must be the D student ones who specialize in that as it's brutally simple logic. Admittedly I haven't dealt with anything super high end, but I trained on some recent low and mid end Allen Bradley gear, as well as some jap stuff that escapes me at the moment. It's simple ladder logic; power, ground, switches, coils, timers, lights, and other mundane crap.
RLL is simple and will eventually be obsolete. PAC's are the new hotness.
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It's not rocket science for sure, but some of these machine controls can be pretty sophisticated - especially when they are european. In this case, our adige ts-71 cnc automatic sawing line (30,000lb - 1/2 a million dollar paper weight currently), has a ridiculously cluster fucked coded plc/hmi that even the best engineer's I've hired to work on it scratch their head at half the time. I actually just hired an engineering firm in washington to completely gut the beast and build new controls from the ground up. You wouldn't think an 8 year old saw would already be obsolete according to it's manufacturer, but it is.
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FPGAs are both easy and fiendishly complex. I'm halfway through a primer on Verilog ATM, it's cake. Beating your head against a medium or higher complexity design through a couple of bench tests and then successful prototyping runs before bringing a board to market is a LOT of drudgery and a certain amount of technical mojo.
Frankly, being good with FPGAs is about as difficult as being a good tuner. Keep in mind that FPGA knowledge is much more fluent so you are trading off a lot of the "fumbling in the dark" nature of learning for a huge stack of whitepapers. There's more shit to it, but everything's better laid out.
I bought a Saxo development board from KNJN recently, the business arm of fpga4fun.com, and some of the stuff available is freaking sweet. The higher end Saxo/Xylo boards have built in DDS (Direct Digital Synthesis) chips, I plan on using one as a cheap signal generator aka learning tool..
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While Xilinx and Altera have similar products, I'm directly in the Altera camp. The free version of their Quartus II software has a built in logic analyzer, and the pay-for subscriptions for either are $$$
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Automotive Engineering Tech and Civil Eng majors
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THIS THREAD IS FULL OF NERDS.
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THIS THREAD IS FULL OF NERDS.
So.
I watched about 4 hours worth of physics lectures from MIT last night.
lol.
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Physics is a fun subject.
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Physics is a fun subject.
The concepts are fascinating, but the math involved is a bit hairy at times.
It amazes me how a single person can have such an in dept knowledge of a subject as vast as physics.
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THIS THREAD IS FULL OF NERDS.
So.
I watched about 4 hours worth of physics lectures from MIT last night.
lol.
Where did you go to what these lectures?
Has Anybody figure out tensors yet?
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Sure, I deal with stress tensors every day in my polymer processing class.
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Where did you go to what these lectures?
Youtube. Search for MIT physics lectures. I think they have the entire semester worth of lectures for 801 and 802 which is Physics 1 and Physics 2 essentially.
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I already took Physics IV but we did not go into tensor when were talking about Maxwell's field equations. ;D
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I already took Physics IV but we did not go into tensor when were talking about Maxwell's field equations. ;D
Ok.
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Not this guy
(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.breigh.com%2Fwordpress%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2009%2F02%2Fsheldon.jpg&hash=80c453ecca03a5d23617c22fec69c32d6af0ebd3)
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Lol.
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graduating on the 12th with a bachelor's in Industrial Engineering Tech :noel:
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NERDS.
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I'm not ENTIRELY sure that any college degree is all that useful. I donno.
Depends what you want to do I guess, I always wanted to go to school for mechanical and thermodynamic engineering, but could never swing the time and money to go to school at the same time as a job that could support it. I ended up starting a business that has started to do very well, I get hands on experience engineering and manufacturing parts and I didn't waste any of my life in school, I work with a good network of engineers that are willing to teach me the things I need to know. I may never be a certified engineer, but I will be plenty capable, and I'll make more money and have more freedom than all of my engineering friends.
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It's not rocket science for sure, but some of these machine controls can be pretty sophisticated - especially when they are european. In this case, our adige ts-71 cnc automatic sawing line (30,000lb - 1/2 a million dollar paper weight currently), has a ridiculously cluster fucked coded plc/hmi that even the best engineer's I've hired to work on it scratch their head at half the time. I actually just hired an engineering firm in washington to completely gut the beast and build new controls from the ground up. You wouldn't think an 8 year old saw would already be obsolete according to it's manufacturer, but it is.
Why such a complicated plc for a saw line? Does it have an auto miter head?
I'm looking at going with an older Kaltenbach or OMP saw line fairly soon, anything positive or negative to say about either?
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Here's pics of a test rig I recently built. This rig test the flow and direction of oil streams out of lubricating jets in a titanium circumferential seal for a jet engine. I can't post pictures of the seals or fixturing but its a simple hydraulic system that flows mobile jet 2 turbine oil through the seal, which is captured and weighed using load cells. The fixturing simulates the oil targets points in space. I did the design, fabrication, wiring and plumbing. The hydraulic system uses a gear pump that pumps over a relief until the directional valve is shifted and flows the oil to the test fixtures.
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It's not rocket science for sure, but some of these machine controls can be pretty sophisticated - especially when they are european. In this case, our adige ts-71 cnc automatic sawing line (30,000lb - 1/2 a million dollar paper weight currently), has a ridiculously cluster fucked coded plc/hmi that even the best engineer's I've hired to work on it scratch their head at half the time. I actually just hired an engineering firm in washington to completely gut the beast and build new controls from the ground up. You wouldn't think an 8 year old saw would already be obsolete according to it's manufacturer, but it is.
Why such a complicated plc for a saw line? Does it have an auto miter head?
I'm looking at going with an older Kaltenbach or OMP saw line fairly soon, anything positive or negative to say about either?
You realize that if the two of you mated, whole turbo kits would be the result?
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Here's pics of a test rig I recently built. This rig test the flow and direction of oil streams out of lubricating jets in a titanium circumferential seal for a jet engine. I can't post pictures of the seals or fixturing but its a simple hydraulic system that flows mobile jet 2 turbine oil through the seal, which is captured and weighed using load cells. The fixturing simulates the oil targets points in space. I did the design, fabrication, wiring and plumbing. The hydraulic system uses a gear pump that pumps over a relief until the directional valve is shifted and flows the oil to the test fixtures.
I have never used pumps like that, does the box on the end of the case contain a couple involute gears for PD pumping?
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It has a cnc positioning head, cnc target, 20' bundle loader, etc. The saw takes parameters like: blade size, # of teech, material type, wall thickness, wall od, blade type (ti / hs), # of parts, length of cut, etc and automatically determines the best cut arrangement on a bar, automatically determined feed rates, cut stroke, return height, and blade speeds, etc. It's incredibly over-engineered for a saw.
http://www.blmgroup.com/TS72-CNC-cutting-line-Complete-automatic-line-controlled-by-CNC-unit.html (http://www.blmgroup.com/TS72-CNC-cutting-line-Complete-automatic-line-controlled-by-CNC-unit.html)
That's the new TS72 that replaced my TS71B. Watch the video if you are interested.
Mine was renamed the TC720. They now paint them white instead of green, but this exactly my saw (paper weight) :
http://www.blmgroup.com/TC720-Cutting-line-deburring-washing-drying-collecting-operations.html (http://www.blmgroup.com/TC720-Cutting-line-deburring-washing-drying-collecting-operations.html)
Why such a complicated plc for a saw line? Does it have an auto miter head?
I'm looking at going with an older Kaltenbach or OMP saw line fairly soon, anything positive or negative to say about either?
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Kaltenbach's I think are bottom up cutting cold saws, which are really rigid and really cool. They've been around forever too so I'm sure there is lots of parts and tech reps around. Another brand you might look at - Kasto - its another italian saw .. really impressive machines for their size. Rigid column, decent plc, could run in fully automatic mode. You can get a good used one for $40k.
I'm looking at going with an older Kaltenbach or OMP saw line fairly soon, anything positive or negative to say about either?
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We've been manufacturing turbo kits for private label for 6 years now. When I go to sema, I see a crap load of our parts everywhere. Unfortunately - and far more so lately, it's more like I see a crap load of parts that we were forced by our customers to send to china, then either weld or cut apart and fix when they came back into the states. Fuckin new world order.
It's not rocket science for sure, but some of these machine controls can be pretty sophisticated - especially when they are european. In this case, our adige ts-71 cnc automatic sawing line (30,000lb - 1/2 a million dollar paper weight currently), has a ridiculously cluster fucked coded plc/hmi that even the best engineer's I've hired to work on it scratch their head at half the time. I actually just hired an engineering firm in washington to completely gut the beast and build new controls from the ground up. You wouldn't think an 8 year old saw would already be obsolete according to it's manufacturer, but it is.
Why such a complicated plc for a saw line? Does it have an auto miter head?
I'm looking at going with an older Kaltenbach or OMP saw line fairly soon, anything positive or negative to say about either?
You realize that if the two of you mated, whole turbo kits would be the result?
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Kaltenbach's I think are bottom up cutting cold saws, which are really rigid and really cool. They've been around forever too so I'm sure there is lots of parts and tech reps around. Another brand you might look at - Kasto - its another italian saw .. really impressive machines for their size. Rigid column, decent plc, could run in fully automatic mode. You can get a good used one for $40k.
I'm looking at going with an older Kaltenbach or OMP saw line fairly soon, anything positive or negative to say about either?
Yes kaltenbach are bottom up. I have run both Kasto and OMP, all though these were simple fully automatic saws based on air logic. For those I prefer OMP, but I have a friend that got a newish kasto cnc saw, its quite nice. Rigidity is a big concern as I am starting to bundle cut solids as my focus is starting to be orientated towards machining.
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Sad, but the way things are going.
We've been manufacturing turbo kits for private label for 6 years now. When I go to sema, I see a crap load of our parts everywhere. Unfortunately - and far more so lately, it's more like I see a crap load of parts that we were forced by our customers to send to china, then either weld or cut apart and fix when they came back into the states. Fuckin new world order.
It's not rocket science for sure, but some of these machine controls can be pretty sophisticated - especially when they are european. In this case, our adige ts-71 cnc automatic sawing line (30,000lb - 1/2 a million dollar paper weight currently), has a ridiculously cluster fucked coded plc/hmi that even the best engineer's I've hired to work on it scratch their head at half the time. I actually just hired an engineering firm in washington to completely gut the beast and build new controls from the ground up. You wouldn't think an 8 year old saw would already be obsolete according to it's manufacturer, but it is.
Why such a complicated plc for a saw line? Does it have an auto miter head?
I'm looking at going with an older Kaltenbach or OMP saw line fairly soon, anything positive or negative to say about either?
You realize that if the two of you mated, whole turbo kits would be the result?
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Doesn't have to be, I don't buy any tooling, material or supplies from China. Complaining about Chinese quality all the meanwhile sending work there or supporting them through buying their products is fucking weak.
Yes it costs, more, yes it can hurt my margins, and yes sometimes it means I can't give a competitive quote. But I get satisfaction in making quality parts, and not being a part of the problem of Chinese prices dictating American craftsmanship.
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Doesn't have to be, I don't buy any tooling, material or supplies from China. Complaining about Chinese quality all the meanwhile sending work there or supporting them through buying their products is fucking weak.
Yes it costs, more, yes it can hurt my margins, and yes sometimes it means I can't give a competitive quote. But I get satisfaction in making quality parts, and not being a part of the problem of Chinese prices dictating American craftsmanship.
Be carefull man your dangerously close to inviting Random Strike into this thread.
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nother fuckin pirate died in pa last night
is rs here yet
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In our case, I would rather help my customer by outsourcing their parts and controlling the assembly and check on this side, then releasing them into the wild of trying to get this stuff made. I've done over half a mil in business with asian countries now and have some pretty decent relationships. It doesn't make sense to just ignore them as another option to keeping your customers happy - just do it in a way that you both benefit. China doesn't have to kill American manufacturing, it can help in a lot of ways as well.
Doesn't have to be, I don't buy any tooling, material or supplies from China. Complaining about Chinese quality all the meanwhile sending work there or supporting them through buying their products is fucking weak.
Yes it costs, more, yes it can hurt my margins, and yes sometimes it means I can't give a competitive quote. But I get satisfaction in making quality parts, and not being a part of the problem of Chinese prices dictating American craftsmanship.
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In our case, I would rather help my customer by outsourcing their parts and controlling the assembly and check on this side, then releasing them into the wild of trying to get this stuff made. I've done over half a mil in business with asian countries now and have some pretty decent relationships. It doesn't make sense to just ignore them as another option to keeping your customers happy - just do it in a way that you both benefit. China doesn't have to kill American manufacturing, it can help in a lot of ways as well.
Doesn't have to be, I don't buy any tooling, material or supplies from China. Complaining about Chinese quality all the meanwhile sending work there or supporting them through buying their products is fucking weak.
Yes it costs, more, yes it can hurt my margins, and yes sometimes it means I can't give a competitive quote. But I get satisfaction in making quality parts, and not being a part of the problem of Chinese prices dictating American craftsmanship.
You are right, China doesn't have to kill American manufacturing, but it is. China is very much capitalizing on Americans wasteful lifestyles. Its not common to buy high quality items anymore, people shop at walmart. It just propagates the already ridiculous American mentality that they can have a lot, for a little.
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In our case, I would rather help my customer by outsourcing their parts and controlling the assembly and check on this side, then releasing them into the wild of trying to get this stuff made. I've done over half a mil in business with asian countries now and have some pretty decent relationships. It doesn't make sense to just ignore them as another option to keeping your customers happy - just do it in a way that you both benefit. China doesn't have to kill American manufacturing, it can help in a lot of ways as well.
Doesn't have to be, I don't buy any tooling, material or supplies from China. Complaining about Chinese quality all the meanwhile sending work there or supporting them through buying their products is fucking weak.
Yes it costs, more, yes it can hurt my margins, and yes sometimes it means I can't give a competitive quote. But I get satisfaction in making quality parts, and not being a part of the problem of Chinese prices dictating American craftsmanship.
You are right, China doesn't have to kill American manufacturing, but it is. China is very much capitalizing on Americans wasteful lifestyles. Its not common to buy high quality items anymore, people shop at walmart. It just propagates the already ridiculous American mentality that they can have a lot, for a little.
A lot of crap that breaks all the time and creates a hassle replacing it. There is not enough time in the day to do what I need to do, and if attrition is a significant factor on my tools it sucks to be me and I don't make any money.
My mom bought a Whirlpool washer and dryer in 1974, the washer wore one belt out in '93, and she finally got rid of them in '02 because they were "old"... the new washer's on it's third belt and she's on her second dryer. Not everything needs to be the slant 6 of appliances, but really?
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In our case, I would rather help my customer by outsourcing their parts and controlling the assembly and check on this side, then releasing them into the wild of trying to get this stuff made. I've done over half a mil in business with asian countries now and have some pretty decent relationships. It doesn't make sense to just ignore them as another option to keeping your customers happy - just do it in a way that you both benefit. China doesn't have to kill American manufacturing, it can help in a lot of ways as well.
Doesn't have to be, I don't buy any tooling, material or supplies from China. Complaining about Chinese quality all the meanwhile sending work there or supporting them through buying their products is fucking weak.
Yes it costs, more, yes it can hurt my margins, and yes sometimes it means I can't give a competitive quote. But I get satisfaction in making quality parts, and not being a part of the problem of Chinese prices dictating American craftsmanship.
You are right, China doesn't have to kill American manufacturing, but it is. China is very much capitalizing on Americans wasteful lifestyles. Its not common to buy high quality items anymore, people shop at walmart. It just propagates the already ridiculous American mentality that they can have a lot, for a little.
A lot of crap that breaks all the time and creates a hassle replacing it. There is not enough time in the day to do what I need to do, and if attrition is a significant factor on my tools it sucks to be me and I don't make any money.
My mom bought a Whirlpool washer and dryer in 1974, the washer wore one belt out in '93, and she finally got rid of them in '02 because they were "old"... the new washer's on it's third belt and she's on her second dryer. Not everything needs to be the slant 6 of appliances, but really?
I bet it is fairly difficult to find a household appliance these days to give you 28 years of service.
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Doesn't have to be, I don't buy any tooling, material or supplies from China. Complaining about Chinese quality all the meanwhile sending work there or supporting them through buying their products is fucking weak.
Yes it costs, more, yes it can hurt my margins, and yes sometimes it means I can't give a competitive quote. But I get satisfaction in making quality parts, and not being a part of the problem of Chinese prices dictating American craftsmanship.
Said the Canadian.
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In our case, I would rather help my customer by outsourcing their parts and controlling the assembly and check on this side, then releasing them into the wild of trying to get this stuff made. I've done over half a mil in business with asian countries now and have some pretty decent relationships. It doesn't make sense to just ignore them as another option to keeping your customers happy - just do it in a way that you both benefit. China doesn't have to kill American manufacturing, it can help in a lot of ways as well.
Doesn't have to be, I don't buy any tooling, material or supplies from China. Complaining about Chinese quality all the meanwhile sending work there or supporting them through buying their products is fucking weak.
Yes it costs, more, yes it can hurt my margins, and yes sometimes it means I can't give a competitive quote. But I get satisfaction in making quality parts, and not being a part of the problem of Chinese prices dictating American craftsmanship.
You are right, China doesn't have to kill American manufacturing, but it is. China is very much capitalizing on Americans wasteful lifestyles. Its not common to buy high quality items anymore, people shop at walmart. It just propagates the already ridiculous American mentality that they can have a lot, for a little.
A lot of crap that breaks all the time and creates a hassle replacing it. There is not enough time in the day to do what I need to do, and if attrition is a significant factor on my tools it sucks to be me and I don't make any money.
My mom bought a Whirlpool washer and dryer in 1974, the washer wore one belt out in '93, and she finally got rid of them in '02 because they were "old"... the new washer's on it's third belt and she's on her second dryer. Not everything needs to be the slant 6 of appliances, but really?
I bet it is fairly difficult to find a household appliance these days to give you 28 years of service.
go down to the junkyard and find anything built before 1980
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go down to the junkyard and find anything built before 1980
Where are you trying to go with this?
Several years ago, there wee tons and tons of pre 1980 cars and trucks in the yards.
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Doesn't have to be, I don't buy any tooling, material or supplies from China. Complaining about Chinese quality all the meanwhile sending work there or supporting them through buying their products is fucking weak.
Yes it costs, more, yes it can hurt my margins, and yes sometimes it means I can't give a competitive quote. But I get satisfaction in making quality parts, and not being a part of the problem of Chinese prices dictating American craftsmanship.
Said the Canadian.
Americans, Canadians, = North Americans, same shit different pile. I am an American citizen.
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I don't understand this statement. Wallmart and other discount retail outlets aren't the enemy or the evil empire. I employ 10 people, I see the results of poverty and poor spending habits everyday. If we didn't have discounted retail outlets as a viable option for many of them, their money would go 1/2 to 2/3 as far as it goes now when they don't have enough to begin with. This isn't about wasteful people, this is about poor people trying to make it.
You are right, China doesn't have to kill American manufacturing, but it is. China is very much capitalizing on Americans wasteful lifestyles. Its not common to buy high quality items anymore, people shop at walmart. It just propagates the already ridiculous American mentality that they can have a lot, for a little.
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I don't understand this statement. Wallmart and other discount retail outlets aren't the enemy or the evil empire. I employ 10 people, I see the results of poverty and poor spending habits everyday. If we didn't have discounted retail outlets as a viable option for many of them, their money would go 1/2 to 2/3 as far as it goes now when they don't have enough to begin with. This isn't about wasteful people, this is about poor people trying to make it.
You are right, China doesn't have to kill American manufacturing, but it is. China is very much capitalizing on Americans wasteful lifestyles. Its not common to buy high quality items anymore, people shop at walmart. It just propagates the already ridiculous American mentality that they can have a lot, for a little.
And that is where we will differ in opinion. I don't believe in equal opportunity or world peace. And I have had nothing, I've had no money, no resources, lived in barns sheds etc, I never had the expectation that other people should be making things affordable for me.
That doesn't mean I don't want to help people or I believe that people shouldn't help other people.
I think for most of the lower income people I see would greatly benefit from their money not going as far, why do low income people *need* a dvd player, video games, or a chinese turbo kit? Their time would be better spent working to get out of the rut they are in than wasting them on those activities.
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I don't understand this statement. Wallmart and other discount retail outlets aren't the enemy or the evil empire. I employ 10 people, I see the results of poverty and poor spending habits everyday. If we didn't have discounted retail outlets as a viable option for many of them, their money would go 1/2 to 2/3 as far as it goes now when they don't have enough to begin with. This isn't about wasteful people, this is about poor people trying to make it.
You are right, China doesn't have to kill American manufacturing, but it is. China is very much capitalizing on Americans wasteful lifestyles. Its not common to buy high quality items anymore, people shop at walmart. It just propagates the already ridiculous American mentality that they can have a lot, for a little.
I think you're missing his point. It's one thing to go to wal-mart and buy some food. If you buy an apple at wal-mart, it's probably as good as any other apple at the local grocery stores. Maybe a little better/worse, depending on what other markets are local. But regardless, the apple is "good" and safe to eat. It's only gonna be around a few days till you eat it anyways.
Now go to walmart and buy something that you plan to keep for years, and expect to work for years, trouble free. Say some type of electronic device, like a 80 dollar stereo. It's shitty when the power button on the stereo becomes troublesome after 2 months of use, and then after a year that button fails and now the stereo won't work at all. But it's not worth fixing, cause is was only 80 bucks new, and for the cost of having someone fix it, you could just "buy another".
That's the mentality that wal-mart and others are making money on.
Truth is, if you couldn't afford the 130 dollar stereo from a known good brand name, then you could have waited till you had enough money saved up to get a good one.
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I don't understand this statement. Wallmart and other discount retail outlets aren't the enemy or the evil empire. I employ 10 people, I see the results of poverty and poor spending habits everyday. If we didn't have discounted retail outlets as a viable option for many of them, their money would go 1/2 to 2/3 as far as it goes now when they don't have enough to begin with. This isn't about wasteful people, this is about poor people trying to make it.
You are right, China doesn't have to kill American manufacturing, but it is. China is very much capitalizing on Americans wasteful lifestyles. Its not common to buy high quality items anymore, people shop at walmart. It just propagates the already ridiculous American mentality that they can have a lot, for a little.
I think you're missing his point. It's one thing to go to wal-mart and buy some food. If you buy an apple at wal-mart, it's probably as good as any other apple at the local grocery stores. Maybe a little better/worse, depending on what other markets are local. But regardless, the apple is "good" and safe to eat. It's only gonna be around a few days till you eat it anyways.
Now go to walmart and buy something that you plan to keep for years, and expect to work for years, trouble free. Say some type of electronic device, like a 80 dollar stereo. It's shitty when the power button on the stereo becomes troublesome after 2 months of use, and then after a year that button fails and now the stereo won't work at all. But it's not worth fixing, cause is was only 80 bucks new, and for the cost of having someone fix it, you could just "buy another".
That's the mentality that wal-mart and others are making money on.
Truth is, if you couldn't afford the 130 dollar stereo from a known good brand name, then you could have waited till you had enough money saved up to get a good one.
There is something wrong with that example. Buying a $130 stereo and it breaks in 6 mo. while the $80 one breaks in 6 years. Why? Because the $130 "Sony" is the cheapest piece of shit they could possibly make and sucks, while the $80 is some new brand or some Walmart exclusive brand. In a lot of cases, these brands end up making a solid product for a reasonable price because they are new and want to capture a portion of the business. I've had that happen to me time and time again. Walmart is a big powerful corporation for a reason. They do not invest in companies that are going to end up screwing them over. Walmart will put you out of business as fast as they helped your business grow.
I think the real comparison is when something was once made in America or a country that gives a shit about how they make/manufacture stuff vs else where. It's all about a reference point. These third world countries live in shit. They know shit. If you show them anything better, in comparison, it's A LOT better. As a result, their understanding of nice good work is completely different than those who are used to our standard of things.
I recognize this all the time with FOB immigrants from India, Pakistan, Mexico, ect ect ect. They don't want to do lack luster work. They think what they are doing is the right thing. But by American standards, it's just not good work.
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I don't understand this statement. Wallmart and other discount retail outlets aren't the enemy or the evil empire. I employ 10 people, I see the results of poverty and poor spending habits everyday. If we didn't have discounted retail outlets as a viable option for many of them, their money would go 1/2 to 2/3 as far as it goes now when they don't have enough to begin with. This isn't about wasteful people, this is about poor people trying to make it.
You are right, China doesn't have to kill American manufacturing, but it is. China is very much capitalizing on Americans wasteful lifestyles. Its not common to buy high quality items anymore, people shop at walmart. It just propagates the already ridiculous American mentality that they can have a lot, for a little.
I think you're missing his point. It's one thing to go to wal-mart and buy some food. If you buy an apple at wal-mart, it's probably as good as any other apple at the local grocery stores. Maybe a little better/worse, depending on what other markets are local. But regardless, the apple is "good" and safe to eat. It's only gonna be around a few days till you eat it anyways.
Now go to walmart and buy something that you plan to keep for years, and expect to work for years, trouble free. Say some type of electronic device, like a 80 dollar stereo. It's shitty when the power button on the stereo becomes troublesome after 2 months of use, and then after a year that button fails and now the stereo won't work at all. But it's not worth fixing, cause is was only 80 bucks new, and for the cost of having someone fix it, you could just "buy another".
That's the mentality that wal-mart and others are making money on.
Truth is, if you couldn't afford the 130 dollar stereo from a known good brand name, then you could have waited till you had enough money saved up to get a good one.
There is something wrong with that example. Buying a $130 stereo and it breaks in 6 mo. while the $80 one breaks in 6 years. Why? Because the $130 "Sony" is the cheapest piece of shit they could possibly make and sucks, while the $80 is some new brand or some Walmart exclusive brand. In a lot of cases, these brands end up making a solid product for a reasonable price because they are new and want to capture a portion of the business. I've had that happen to me time and time again. Walmart is a big powerful corporation for a reason. They do not invest in companies that are going to end up screwing them over. Walmart will put you out of business as fast as they helped your business grow.
I think the real comparison is when something was once made in America or a country that gives a shit about how they make/manufacture stuff vs else where. It's all about a reference point. These third world countries live in shit. They know shit. If you show them anything better, in comparison, it's A LOT better. As a result, their understanding of nice good work is completely different than those who are used to our standard of things.
I recognize this all the time with FOB immigrants from India, Pakistan, Mexico, ect ect ect. They don't want to do lack luster work. They think what they are doing is the right thing. But by American standards, it's just not good work.
haaha. I'll agree sony sucks. I said a known good brand, not shitty made in china special. I think you know what I meant by the example I gave. There's exceptions to everything, but IMO, the rule is you get what you pay for most of the time. Especially with electronics. A new company could just as well have good intentions of making a new product that's cheap and very well designed, but it fails after a while from something unforeseen. From the new company not having years of experience making/designing whatever they just released. Or it could be the best thing in the world. There's no rule.
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Money doesn't solve money problems, it may cover up the symptoms but it doesn't fix them.
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I don't understand this statement. Wallmart and other discount retail outlets aren't the enemy or the evil empire. I employ 10 people, I see the results of poverty and poor spending habits everyday. If we didn't have discounted retail outlets as a viable option for many of them, their money would go 1/2 to 2/3 as far as it goes now when they don't have enough to begin with. This isn't about wasteful people, this is about poor people trying to make it.
You are right, China doesn't have to kill American manufacturing, but it is. China is very much capitalizing on Americans wasteful lifestyles. Its not common to buy high quality items anymore, people shop at walmart. It just propagates the already ridiculous American mentality that they can have a lot, for a little.
And that is where we will differ in opinion. I don't believe in equal opportunity or world peace. And I have had nothing, I've had no money, no resources, lived in barns sheds etc, I never had the expectation that other people should be making things affordable for me.
That doesn't mean I don't want to help people or I believe that people shouldn't help other people.
I think for most of the lower income people I see would greatly benefit from their money not going as far, why do low income people *need* a dvd player, video games, or a chinese turbo kit? Their time would be better spent working to get out of the rut they are in than wasting them on those activities.
This.
The whole concept that we need immediate gratification, deserve inflated wages despite having less work ethic or truly specialized skills than the average illegal immigrant, and need lots of time off with which to sit on couches and grow fat and self important is false. Money is the prerogative of those who actually work, which by it's very definition is not easy.
People bitch about the price of college; I paid tuition and books for two years cash out of pocket because I was full time employed, making Dean's and President's List the whole way. The majority of Americans just can't sacrifice that much time away from prime time television, and firmly believe that there is something fundamentally wrong with America because they can't "afford" to go to school while financing out cars, big screen TVs, iPods and iPhones and a thousand thousand manufactured distractions. It's crap.
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I agree with both of you. Most of the people who have had me tune their cars for them had no financial business owning a turbo car. They have to wait a week or two just to pay me a few hundred to tune the piece for them. They generally have no clue how a turbo works or how to fix it.
I think everyone here will agree owning a turbo car takes more know how to own. There only as reliable as the owner is smart. The only other option is to make enough money to pay someone else to fix it. Most dick beaters with a china kit have niether.