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Title: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on March 31, 2009, 03:36:08 PM
lol...

383cid
2.00x1.55 valves
eagle crank/eagle i beam rods
hypereutectic SpeedPro pistons 11:1
(212/218`@.050" with .490" lift)
ported/polished alum LT1 heads
edelbrock air gab manifold

i figure it should make around 450-475 crank hp.

(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dragcityvideos.com%2Fimages%2F96Corvette%2F96Corvette_8.jpg&hash=ca283769e74eae53ed03abbf7b77c54d656dc4c5)

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Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: BangBusMaster on March 31, 2009, 04:01:39 PM
Johnny, you forgot the estimated MPG  :)
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on March 31, 2009, 04:02:21 PM
Johnny, you forgot the estimated MPG  :)

35-40
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: junkyard racer on March 31, 2009, 04:08:36 PM
whats it goin in
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: Suckah on March 31, 2009, 04:10:24 PM
goin in the bmw not that stupid corvette he bought  :P
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: MantisX on March 31, 2009, 04:11:17 PM
No snail?
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: Teg2boo on March 31, 2009, 04:41:05 PM
We say hypereutectic not hypereutchic  lol ;)

My dad wanted to do a 383 with his 350 like yours but bought a built 454 instead... Can't wait to see this engine in one of his cars. (camaro or leman)

Look tits btw!  :yes:

Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: TTC on March 31, 2009, 04:48:05 PM
out of curiosity, I know nothing about v8s, but is it easy to tune them for that kind of power and compression on carbs?  Isnt detonation an issue? 

PS: yes i see you have no carbs lol.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: patsmx5 on March 31, 2009, 04:53:48 PM
out of curiosity, I know nothing about v8s, but is it easy to tune them for that kind of power and compression on carbs?  Isnt detonation an issue? 

PS: yes i see you have no carbs lol.
alcohol.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on March 31, 2009, 04:56:41 PM
We say hypereutectic not hypereutchic  lol ;)

My dad wanted to do a 383 with his 350 like yours but bought a built 454 instead... Can't wait to see this engine in one of his cars. (camaro or leman)

Look tits btw!  :yes:

my bad, misspelling. hypereutectic is the correct spelling. :P

out of curiosity, I know nothing about v8s, but is it easy to tune them for that kind of power and compression on carbs?  Isnt detonation an issue? 

PS: yes i see you have no carbs lol.

are you talking with a turbo or just naturally aspired?

it can get tricky with a turbo, or boost with a carb. but for na... its very easy and takes literally 5 mins at the most to change jets in a holly carb.

some elendbrock carbs & quadrajet can tune themselves to a certain degree because they have air valves that meter how much gas

Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: bigdaddyvtec on March 31, 2009, 05:58:28 PM
Old as dirt and they work
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: LS1pwNzJ00 on March 31, 2009, 06:21:15 PM
I already probably make about 450-470 engine HP NA. I'd expect more out of a 383.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on March 31, 2009, 06:50:41 PM
your motor makes more power than any other in the world
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: QikEnuF on March 31, 2009, 07:38:32 PM
Gen II's don't like a lot of duration?  Looks like a fun toy
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: hotrex on March 31, 2009, 08:18:02 PM
and......  no one cares
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: Conceptz-X on March 31, 2009, 08:25:12 PM
I already probably make about 450-470 engine HP NA. I'd expect more out of a 383.

383's are better for torque, HP really dosen't increase.

1.5 or 1.6 rockers?, Roller cam and rockers I assume.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on March 31, 2009, 08:31:51 PM
Where's the boost?  Just looks like you bought some shit and threw it together.

really? how else would you build a motor? do you machine your own pistons? :P
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: LS1pwNzJ00 on March 31, 2009, 08:32:37 PM
your motor makes more power than any other in the world

Yeah, but yours will get the best gas milage in the world, even up a hill with a slipping transmission and a blown headgasket.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on March 31, 2009, 08:32:51 PM
your motor makes more power than any other in the world

Yeah, but yours will get the best gas milage in the world, even up a hill with a slipping transmission and a blown headgasket.

yeap
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on March 31, 2009, 08:41:13 PM
this going in the vette with the stock vette tranny? or are you gonna use a different trans?

stock trans

why would i use a different trans?
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: Conceptz-X on March 31, 2009, 08:47:37 PM
and more headaches fitting them
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on March 31, 2009, 08:49:13 PM
this going in the vette with the stock vette tranny? or are you gonna use a different trans?

stock trans

why would i use a different trans?

lots of different reasons. different gear ratios, different amount of gears.


it has a 4l60e

it has different rear end gears already
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on March 31, 2009, 08:56:26 PM
and more headaches fitting them

this is rHMT there are no headaches fitting shit.

i don't know what his plans are for the vette. for all i know he's gonna drop a powerglide tranny in so he only had 2 speeds for drag racing. or maybe he wants to go with a manual tranny setup.
how the fuck do i know

its a 4l60e and i'm going to cruise it around, and drag race it sometimes
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: junkyard racer on March 31, 2009, 08:59:00 PM
and......  no one cares

havent seen a build out of your ass lately.  :?:
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: QikEnuF on March 31, 2009, 09:01:02 PM
I did, but it burned...
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on March 31, 2009, 09:09:57 PM
i would've just kept it how it was if it wouldn't have spun that bearing
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: Conceptz-X on March 31, 2009, 09:10:42 PM
I know this is RHMT, but to shorten a driveshaft can be a bitch getting finding someone to get it balanced



any shift kit or anything?  Manual Valve Body?
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: junkyard racer on March 31, 2009, 09:26:13 PM
I know this is RHMT, but to shorten a driveshaft can be a bitch getting finding someone to get it balanced



any shift kit or anything?  Manual Valve Body?

i heard of this one company, drive shaft shop, not sure if you have or not...
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: Conceptz-X on March 31, 2009, 09:28:28 PM
Many places can do it, just depends if there is a local business or if you have to ship it out
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: junkyard racer on March 31, 2009, 09:28:53 PM
i know.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: Conceptz-X on March 31, 2009, 09:34:18 PM
not a bad price, I had one shortened about 10 years ago, think it cost about that much.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: hotrex on March 31, 2009, 09:37:50 PM
and......  no one cares

havent seen a build out of your ass lately.  :?:

dont u worry about me.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on March 31, 2009, 09:47:10 PM
and......  no one cares

havent seen a build out of your ass lately.  :?:

dont u worry about me.

we're worried about you
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: Conceptz-X on March 31, 2009, 09:48:02 PM
lol
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: hotrex on March 31, 2009, 09:50:54 PM
iv e got a lil something in my garage...  not as gay as a 383 but its something
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: 1Fast68 on March 31, 2009, 11:56:09 PM
I'm sorry, but there is no chance in hell that thing is gonna make 450-475 hp.  218@.050 is fucking baby as is the .490 lift

The only thing its got going for it is 11:1 compression , but don't detonate that bitch or those plastic pistons are done.

Good on you for building a V8, bad on you for dreaming its going to make that much power. You'll be lucky to see a cunt hair over 1 hp / 1 CI and reach the 400 mark, and like i said, that would be lucky.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: Corey on April 01, 2009, 12:03:52 AM
johnny how much did you save buying hyperpathetic pistons over a set of forged ones. youre a pussy if you dont at least put a 100 shot on it. good luck with that tranny with the increased power, my buddys 4l60 didnt know how to shift after the turbo was installed, not sure why that was.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on April 01, 2009, 12:24:27 AM
I'm sorry, but there is no chance in hell that thing is gonna make 450-475 hp.  218@.050 is fucking baby as is the .490 lift

The only thing its got going for it is 11:1 compression , but don't detonate that bitch or those plastic pistons are done.

Good on you for building a V8, bad on you for dreaming its going to make that much power. You'll be lucky to see a cunt hair over 1 hp / 1 CI and reach the 400 mark, and like i said, that would be lucky.

i've built a lot of v8s thanks though

you're the god of motors eh... LT1 makes damn near 400crank hp stock. get over it.

375-400rwhp is what i'm shooting for.

this is a street motor sunday driver

johnny how much did you save buying hyperpathetic pistons over a set of forged ones. youre a pussy if you dont at least put a 100 shot on it. good luck with that tranny with the increased power, my buddys 4l60 didnt know how to shift after the turbo was installed, not sure why that was.

maybe sometime or a s/c.

these pistons are like 20 bucks a piece. HE pistons are good for NA because they are very lightweight

i love how everyone here is such an expert on everything. DuEDeE DaT WuN'T MaUke ThUsAnd Hp DwAg

the car will be pretty fast with this motor in it.

http://www.grandsportregistry.com/dyno.htm (http://www.grandsportregistry.com/dyno.htm)

Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on April 01, 2009, 12:26:31 AM
(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.grandsportregistry.com%2Fdynos%2Faskim_dyno.jpg&hash=19529d119dd74c2b3a6802125da7328535f0bbb7)
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: j.h.christ on April 01, 2009, 12:37:06 AM
LT1 makes damn near 400crank hp stock. get over it.


hahahahaha

what lt1 makes near 400 hp stock
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on April 01, 2009, 12:39:48 AM
LT1 makes damn near 400crank hp stock. get over it.


hahahahaha

what lt1 makes near 400 hp stock

400 CRANK hp ;)

and i said near.

the late model ones in the vettes with alum heads do. and LT4s are right 400hp or more at the crank.



Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: patsmx5 on April 01, 2009, 12:40:44 AM
I'm sorry, but there is no chance in hell that thing is gonna make 450-475 hp.  218@.050 is fucking baby as is the .490 lift

The only thing its got going for it is 11:1 compression , but don't detonate that bitch or those plastic pistons are done.

Good on you for building a V8, bad on you for dreaming its going to make that much power. You'll be lucky to see a cunt hair over 1 hp / 1 CI and reach the 400 mark, and like i said, that would be lucky.

Glad someone said this. I was like  :?: when I saw the numbers he threw out.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on April 01, 2009, 12:46:03 AM
I'm sorry, but there is no chance in hell that thing is gonna make 450-475 hp.  218@.050 is fucking baby as is the .490 lift

The only thing its got going for it is 11:1 compression , but don't detonate that bitch or those plastic pistons are done.

Good on you for building a V8, bad on you for dreaming its going to make that much power. You'll be lucky to see a cunt hair over 1 hp / 1 CI and reach the 400 mark, and like i said, that would be lucky.

Glad someone said this. I was like  :?: when I saw the numbers he threw out.

 ::)

everyone is an expert  :somb:
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on April 01, 2009, 12:51:02 AM
http://www.chevyhiperformance.com/tech/0612_chpp_1996_chevy_corvette_lt4_bullet_engine/index.html (http://www.chevyhiperformance.com/tech/0612_chpp_1996_chevy_corvette_lt4_bullet_engine/index.html)
Quote
This week at work we finally got an engine running on the dyno that had been pushed back many times by other projects. It was the original development engine for the GM Performance Parts HOT engine. It started life as a '96 LT4 Corvette bullet. We developed a cam for GM (the HOT cam) and worked with them on the dual-plane carbureted intake for the Gen II reverse-flow-cooling engines. We freshened up the engine, zero-decked the block, cleaned up the cylinder heads (minor porting), and bored the block 0.020 inch over. With the zero deck and the shave of the heads, the final compression ratio came out at 11:1. The final home for this engine is my bracket-racing '80 Malibu wagon. Back in 1996, when we originally built the engine, it produced 420 hp and ran extremely well in my '65 El Camino.

get a clue faggots.

http://www.dougrippie.com/drm/engine_conversion.htm (http://www.dougrippie.com/drm/engine_conversion.htm)

here is a douge rippie 383 lt1 with stock heads, intake, 450 horsepower/435 ft-lbs.

lt1 vettes came from the factory at 330hp factory rating.

gran turismo taught us this

lol  8)
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: Travis on April 01, 2009, 01:08:42 AM
John, why didn't you go with a TH350?
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on April 01, 2009, 01:24:19 AM
cause the one in it has overdrive and its in there
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: LS1pwNzJ00 on April 01, 2009, 05:32:46 AM
I'm sorry, but there is no chance in hell that thing is gonna make 450-475 hp.  218@.050 is fucking baby as is the .490 lift

The only thing its got going for it is 11:1 compression , but don't detonate that bitch or those plastic pistons are done.

Good on you for building a V8, bad on you for dreaming its going to make that much power. You'll be lucky to see a cunt hair over 1 hp / 1 CI and reach the 400 mark, and like i said, that would be lucky.

Yeah that is a baby cam, i didnt even notice it.  Get a bigger one, shit i have a 232 234 on a 112
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: junkyard racer on April 01, 2009, 07:21:22 AM
iv e got a lil something in my garage...  not as gay as a 383 but its something

another dirt bike :)
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: Ntrain2k on April 01, 2009, 07:48:04 AM

stock trans

why would i use a different trans?

it has a 4l60e

it has different rear end gears already

Do yourself a favor and go ahead and order a HD rebuild kit with the updated sun gear shell/cage.

You'll know you need it when you suddenly have no overdrive and reverse.

The 4L60E can be a good tranny once it has been rebuilt correctly.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: Lowerit on April 01, 2009, 10:55:02 AM

stock trans

why would i use a different trans?

it has a 4l60e

it has different rear end gears already

Do yourself a favor and go ahead and order a HD rebuild kit with the updated sun gear shell/cage.

You'll know you need it when you suddenly have no overdrive and reverse.

The 4L60E can be a good tranny once it has been rebuilt correctly.



+1 I rock a LT1 Caprice Wagon as a tow car, the cage is cheap cast shit. Had 2 Lt1 wagons, both of them replaced due to failure. I think the guy swapped in Truck parts.

They tend to shift a little bit mushy too, but otherwise over 500,000 miles between 2 Lt1's and never an issue.

As for LT4's making 400Hp? Maybe with some mods, not stock... sorry if I am late to the party on this one.


Lt1's..

Caprice and Impala SS , iron head 2 Bolt  260hp 9caprice is actually less due to crank driven fan) Iron heads outflow the alum ones.

F-bodies are alum heads 285Hp

Vettes (Lt1) are 300hp and have 4 bolt mains

LT4's standard on 6spd Collectors editions (auto's had Lt1's) and standard on Grandsports... Had different Intake and heads (not sure if the cam was the same thou) 330Hp.

throw away the opti spark or vent yours.

If you need any LT1 parts holla, I have 2 sitting in the garage and an Lt4 still in the crate  :evil:  They are my old mans...but I can pretend to be baller.


PS swap the cam , you aren't at 400hp with that setup.. not trying to argue or compare E-Dicks.. I think you are 375ish ... Cam would really make that Bitch come alive.


other then that...nice setup.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: LS1pwNzJ00 on April 01, 2009, 11:20:23 AM
we all know they dont make 400hp, johnny likes to exaggerate, which is why we make fun of him.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: salesmonkey on April 01, 2009, 12:47:19 PM
he did say crank hp, so give him some credit at least for not claiming a huge whp like most people do. sure he might be a bit off but hes going to be pretty close to his numbers when hes done. only way to see is wait...and then the shit talking can really begin.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on April 01, 2009, 01:11:00 PM

PS swap the cam , you aren't at 400hp with that setup.. not trying to argue or compare E-Dicks.. I think you are 375ish ... Cam would really make that Bitch come alive.



right, so you think its going to make 275rwhp. which is stock or lower than stock.

 :?:

i could put these up all day but everyone would still go off gran turismo hp figures  ;D

stock lt4
(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.grandsportregistry.com%2Fdynos%2FGS470dyno1.jpg&hash=c578535d53c92cd5e0e6eeac0099cdcaadd8357d)

stock lt4, tuned
(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.grandsportregistry.com%2Fdynos%2Fgrimmett.jpg&hash=a1a4508bc8d5469c1746864f04a58058d0494346)

Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: 1Fast68 on April 01, 2009, 01:38:39 PM
LT1's and LT4's aren't the same thing, so no reason to go posting numbers LT4 cars make as they will be higher than you anyways.

for comparison sake, you say your going to make 400 RWHP

My motor is

340 cid
10:1
230/230 @.050 480/480
Performer RPM heads (240 cfm @.500)
Aig gap intake
750 holley DP
1 5/8 - 1 3/4 step headers, 3" Exh. with X pipe to the bumper

Car goes 12.50's all day long, its a bracket car, not meant to be fast.

and for the numbers ...... 280rwhp @5800 , 280RWTQ @4800 On a mustang dyno, so figure 300 on a DJ.

I have more cam, probably more head flow, surely a less restrictive exhaust. So where do you plan on coming up with this extra 100 WHP?
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on April 01, 2009, 01:43:22 PM
LT1's and LT4's aren't the same thing, so no reason to go posting numbers LT4 cars make as they will be higher than you anyways.

for comparison sake, you say your going to make 400 RWHP

My motor is

340 cid
10:1
230/230 @.050 480/480
Performer RPM heads (240 cfm @.500)
Aig gap intake
750 holley DP
1 5/8 - 1 3/4 step headers, 3" Exh. with X pipe to the bumper

Car goes 12.50's all day long, its a bracket car, not meant to be fast.

and for the numbers ...... 280rwhp @5800 , 280RWTQ @4800 On a mustang dyno, so figure 300 on a DJ.

I have more cam, probably more head flow, surely a less restrictive exhaust. So where do you plan on coming up with this extra 100 WHP?

cubic inches, compression, and rpms?  :-*

you have a hard time reading don't you? i said 450-475 crank hp. thats aprox 350-375rwhp. which is what it'll make i bet. with a bigger cam i could make 400rwhp easily

a stock LT4 makes more power than your motor. why would anyone build a 340 with 10:1 compression and NOT PUT IT IN A TRUCK LOL

that motor of yours belongs in a old ass ram dualie hauling hay
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: Ntrain2k on April 01, 2009, 01:46:23 PM
why would anyone build a 340 with 10:1 compression and NOT PUT IT IN A TRUCK LOL

Apparently you are rather unfamilliar with the Mopar 340.........

http://www.allpar.com/mopar/mopar340.html (http://www.allpar.com/mopar/mopar340.html)


http://www.moparmusclemagazine.com/techarticles/engine/mopp_0310_340_engine_600_hp/index.html (http://www.moparmusclemagazine.com/techarticles/engine/mopp_0310_340_engine_600_hp/index.html)
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on April 01, 2009, 01:48:36 PM
why would anyone build a 340 with 10:1 compression and NOT PUT IT IN A TRUCK LOL

Apparently you are rather unfamilliar with the Mopar 340.........

no i'm not.

a 340 sixpack in a challenger might have been fast in 1970. but they are not powerful motors in today's world.

a 70 challenger with a 340sixpack runs 15s at best


i smoked a challenger with a engine similar to this guys in my old shitty integra. and by smoked i mean 747 lengths. they are dogs
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: Lowerit on April 01, 2009, 01:52:46 PM
He seems to be unfamiliar with a lot..  Sure has a fuckin boatload of attitude thou.

Posting up Internet Dyno Charts FTW!!!


A stock LT1 will make mid 250's @ the wheels

a stock Lt4 will make mid 270's.

Funny , you know everything about LT1's and I am the one sitting at GM head office with a garage full of them.

you know all , just ask u.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on April 01, 2009, 01:57:22 PM
He seems to be unfamiliar with a lot..  Sure has a fuckin boatload of attitude thou.

Posting up Internet Dyno Charts FTW!!!


A stock LT1 will make mid 250's @ the wheels

a stock Lt4 will make mid 270's.

Funny , you know everything about LT1's and I am the one sitting at GM head office with a garage full of them.

you know all , just ask u.

i'm specifically talking about the LT1s in corvettes. not in fucking caprices

you're a liar about 250@ the wheels. gran turismo said lt 1 camaros make 295hp which means it makes 195rwhp. liar.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: Ntrain2k on April 01, 2009, 02:06:44 PM
no i'm not.

a 340 sixpack in a challenger might have been fast in 1970. but they are not powerful motors in today's world.

a 70 challenger with a 340sixpack runs 15s at best

i smoked a challenger with a engine similar to this guys in my old shitty integra. and by smoked i mean 747 lengths. they are dogs

I'm pretty sure a 70 challenger with a 6 pack 340 runs a bit better then 15's........lol

http://www.ravenentertainment.com.au/docs/340enginebuildnumbers.pg.pdf (http://www.ravenentertainment.com.au/docs/340enginebuildnumbers.pg.pdf)
Quote from: Above link
The street versions had a 340
topped with an Edelbrock manifold and three
Holley two-barrels. It was rated at 290 bhp,
but likely made 350 and was potent enough
for high 13-second ETs.

If you beat one in your N/A integra I suggest you try running someone who is actually racing you next time.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on April 01, 2009, 02:25:10 PM
no i'm not.

a 340 sixpack in a challenger might have been fast in 1970. but they are not powerful motors in today's world.

a 70 challenger with a 340sixpack runs 15s at best

i smoked a challenger with a engine similar to this guys in my old shitty integra. and by smoked i mean 747 lengths. they are dogs

I'm pretty sure a 70 challenger with a 6 pack 340 runs a bit better then 15's........lol

http://www.ravenentertainment.com.au/docs/340enginebuildnumbers.pg.pdf (http://www.ravenentertainment.com.au/docs/340enginebuildnumbers.pg.pdf)
Quote from: Above link
The street versions had a 340
topped with an Edelbrock manifold and three
Holley two-barrels. It was rated at 290 bhp,
but likely made 350 and was potent enough
for high 13-second ETs.

If you beat one in your N/A integra I suggest you try running someone who is actually racing you next time.

my integra was not N/A and 340s are boat anchors
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: Lowerit on April 01, 2009, 02:26:31 PM
He seems to be unfamiliar with a lot..  Sure has a fuckin boatload of attitude thou.

Posting up Internet Dyno Charts FTW!!!


A stock LT1 will make mid 250's @ the wheels

a stock Lt4 will make mid 270's.

Funny , you know everything about LT1's and I am the one sitting at GM head office with a garage full of them.

you know all , just ask u.

i'm specifically talking about the LT1s in corvettes. not in fucking caprices

you're a liar about 250@ the wheels. gran turismo said lt 1 camaros make 295hp which means it makes 195rwhp. liar.


Shit head

We have 3 vettes..

2 C4's and a C5.

All since new... Owned an LT1 vette when you were sucking on your moms Tit.

fuck you are ignorant.

you think we have 2 spare Al head motors and an LT4 for fun?

If you know everything why do you post? Just to reassure yourself you know everything? Lots of people been racing Vettes and building LT1's longer then you have been driving.


You get an LT1 6 mos. ago , now you are an authority?

I think not.

Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: Towdogg on April 01, 2009, 02:29:16 PM
F.A.V8.L.A.D.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: bigdaddyvtec on April 01, 2009, 02:29:32 PM
I'm sorry, but there is no chance in hell that thing is gonna make 450-475 hp.  218@.050 is fucking baby as is the .490 lift

The only thing its got going for it is 11:1 compression , but don't detonate that bitch or those plastic pistons are done.

Good on you for building a V8, bad on you for dreaming its going to make that much power. You'll be lucky to see a cunt hair over 1 hp / 1 CI and reach the 400 mark, and like i said, that would be lucky.

Gonna have to agree on the cam statement as well as the power estimate... 425 MAX
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: j.h.christ on April 01, 2009, 02:31:06 PM
johnny, bring the car to the dyno day. this will eliminate all the uncertainty.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on April 01, 2009, 02:32:30 PM
johnny, bring the car to the dyno day. this will eliminate all the uncertainty.

i'm going to. but it won't change anything. shit talking know nothings will always shit talk.

i guess everyone else in the world is lying except LowErIt.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: bigdaddyvtec on April 01, 2009, 02:33:49 PM
LT1 makes damn near 400crank hp stock. get over it.


hahahahaha

what lt1 makes near 400 hp stock

The old LT1s back inthe days (Early 70s) put out 370 at the crank (conservatively rated for insurance reasons) IF you had the solid lifter/singleplane setup;. The hydraulic lifters  brought it down a tad, I believe to a rated 360 HP if memory serves correctly.....


Ive built a fewe V8s back my days...

The MOPAR 340 rules all as a smallblock if you have money. I did.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: Ntrain2k on April 01, 2009, 02:36:02 PM

my integra was not N/A and 340s are boat anchors

Whatever Mr. I know everything so fuck the world.

You might grow up to be somebody some day.

/out
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: QikEnuF on April 01, 2009, 02:37:05 PM
LT5 only made 405 rated crank hp, so I have no fucking clue where you are getting your numbers for an LT4 from...
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on April 01, 2009, 02:38:33 PM
LT5 only made 405 rated crank hp, so I have no fucking clue where you are getting your numbers for an LT4 from...

the ratings are not right.

do you believe a ls1 makes 310 crank hp?
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: Lowerit on April 01, 2009, 02:48:45 PM
johnny, bring the car to the dyno day. this will eliminate all the uncertainty.

i'm going to. but it won't change anything. shit talking know nothings will always shit talk.

i guess everyone else in the world is lying except LowErIt.

6 mos of ownership and you are now an expert on the subject.

you need to post more Dyno Graphs, they help support your arguments.

Nevermind I have been tracking C4's for 15 years... I mean, you have had one for 6 mos

YOU = TEH WINNZAR!!


First LT5's were 380Hp (in johnny-ville that s 770hp)
later cars were 405Hp (930 Johnnyville HP)


Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on April 01, 2009, 02:49:10 PM
johnny, bring the car to the dyno day. this will eliminate all the uncertainty.

i'm going to. but it won't change anything. shit talking know nothings will always shit talk.

i guess everyone else in the world is lying except LowErIt.

6 mos of ownership and you are now an expert on the subject.

you need to post more Dyno Graphs, they help support your arguments.

Nevermind I have been tracking C4's for 15 years... I mean, you have had one for 6 mos

YOU = TEH WINNZAR!!

post your dynos and builds then.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: Lowerit on April 01, 2009, 02:52:24 PM
When did I say I had dyno'd the car?

As for builds.. the only 1 car is modded engine wise, all 3 are mostly suspension for track use.

So seriously , you have spent 6 mos with an Lt1 vette and reading all the info on the net and now you are #1 LT1 Guy?

You sound like the kids who just sit there and copy and paste all the info they can find and claim it as their own..do you really know anything , or does the internet do your thinking for you?


I'm not the one making bullshit claims buddy.. I autocross and Track vettes.. Only ever had an L98 ont he rollers. Accel Super ram , long tubes , AIR delete 36 Lbers and a later set of D port L98 heads. car made 307 RWHP... most guys would do all that and claim 400hp (much like you)

Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: Lowerit on April 01, 2009, 02:57:44 PM
here ya go skippy.

Stock 92 vette with Mufflers and some chip... guy seems to be pretty knowledgeable on vettes...he's probably been working on them for like 7 Mos!!!


http://www.lt1.net/dyno.htm (http://www.lt1.net/dyno.htm)

270WHP ..a wee bit shy of 300 don't ya think??

Serioulsy, next time you are under a car kick the jackstand out.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on April 01, 2009, 03:14:49 PM
When did I say I had dyno'd the car?

As for builds.. the only 1 car is modded engine wise, all 3 are mostly suspension for track use.

So seriously , you have spent 6 mos with an Lt1 vette and reading all the info on the net and now you are #1 LT1 Guy?

You sound like the kids who just sit there and copy and paste all the info they can find and claim it as their own..do you really know anything , or does the internet do your thinking for you?


I'm not the one making bullshit claims buddy.. I autocross and Track vettes.. Only ever had an L98 ont he rollers. Accel Super ram , long tubes , AIR delete 36 Lbers and a later set of D port L98 heads. car made 307 RWHP... most guys would do all that and claim 400hp (much like you)



307rwhp is right around 400 crank hp.

get a clue wannabe

here ya go skippy.

Stock 92 vette with Mufflers and some chip... guy seems to be pretty knowledgeable on vettes...he's probably been working on them for like 7 Mos!!!


http://www.lt1.net/dyno.htm (http://www.lt1.net/dyno.htm)

270WHP ..a wee bit shy of 300 don't ya think??

Serioulsy, next time you are under a car kick the jackstand out.

92 LT1 = different than 96 LT1

so now you're pulling out dyno numbers from other people's builds and cars huh, searching the internet for your information... is that where you get all your info KID?

i said near 400hp.

270whp is near 400 crank hp.

GET A CLUE WANNABE.

GET A CLUE

Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on April 01, 2009, 03:16:48 PM
the funniest thing about you and the link you posted, is that it shows a bunch of stock or almost stock  LT4 vettes makes 400hp... HILARIOUS.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on April 01, 2009, 03:19:36 PM
December 1st, 2003:  300RWHP, 317.4TQ

Mods: Stock w/ custom ECM tune from MadZ28.com

Now this is more like it!  300RWHP and 317.4lb-ft of torque and we still aren't finished tuning yet.  A big thanks to Ion at MadZ28.com for the great tuning job.  It's still running a little rich above 5600 and we think we can squeeze another 5-10HP out of it by the time it's optimized, of course it's also still got the LT1 knock module so this could be false knock too.  I didn't have my monitoring software with me for the dyno run, so I'm not sure which it is.  I'm really happy with these results since most LT4s in the 96 Corvettes were putting out right at 300RWHP stock and they have a better flowing exhaust than the Firehawk
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: Lowerit on April 01, 2009, 03:23:35 PM
Vette's Typically Dyno a 14-16% driveline loss.


300WHp is 348 Crank.



Since when do vettes have 30% + driveline loss? Do they have fuckin cement for tranny fluid? or your menstral fluid?

I don't need a clue skippy..I have a bit more then 6 mos. experience.


Holy fuck you are retarded.

6 mos of LT1 Engineering.... can I bring my car to you? Master engine TUNA!!!

For stock #'s ...yea I would get them from the net.. Modded each car is different.


Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on April 01, 2009, 03:32:46 PM
Vette's Typically Dyno a 14-16% driveline loss.
300WHp is 348 Crank.
Since when do vettes have 30% + driveline loss? Do they have fuckin cement for tranny fluid? or your menstral fluid?

I don't need a clue skippy..I have a bit more then 6 mos. experience
Holy fuck you are retarded.

6 mos of LT1 Engineering.... can I bring my car to you? Master engine TUNA!!!

For stock #'s ...yea I would get them from the net.. Modded each car is different.

go look at your dad's vettes and engines wannabe

only a fucking dumbass would measure drivetrain loss in percentages.

WANNABE
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: Lowerit on April 01, 2009, 03:36:41 PM
Simple math owns. You.

Wanna-be..

hhaa..

Now you are a true vette asshole, had one for 6 mos , know everything..ect..

have you even driven your car? on a track?

Funny I have been doing it for longer then you have had a license.


Good luck MASTA TUNA!!!

Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: QikEnuF on April 01, 2009, 03:38:55 PM
Johnny, if that thing makes a bonafide 400whp without fudging the numbers, I'll take back everything negative I've said about you.  However, that is a very small cam shaft, and not relatively high compression, maybe the discplacement will do it for you though.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on April 01, 2009, 03:42:47 PM
Simple math owns. You.
Wanna-be..
hhaa..
Now you are a true vette asshole, had one for 6 mos , know everything..ect..
have you even driven your car? on a track?
Funny I have been doing it for longer then you have had a license.
Good luck MASTA TUNA!!!

Hey can you post some pictures of your dad's engines please i'd really like to see them.

so if my engine makes 400 crank hp... and i lose 15%... the drivetrain eats 60hp
but if my engine makes 600 crank hp... and i lose 15%... the drivetrain eats 90hp
but if my engine makes 300 crank hp... and i lose 15%... the drivetrain eats 45hp
IF I MAKE 1200HP... and i lose 15%... the drivetrain eats 180hp...

wow i love your magic percentages, and how much power it takes to spin the drivetrain depends on how much power your engine makes.

GET A CLUE WANNABE.

tell your dad i like his vettes for me
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: 1Fast68 on April 01, 2009, 03:43:48 PM
I think the bottom line here is that you're an idiot, looking forward to seeing it not make the power numbers you have dreamed up.

Thanks for playing ...
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on April 01, 2009, 03:44:40 PM
Johnny, if that thing makes a bonafide 400whp without fudging the numbers, I'll take back everything negative I've said about you.  However, that is a very small cam shaft, and not relatively high compression, maybe the discplacement will do it for you though.

i never said 400rwhp. it might make close to that. but i think it'll make 350-375rwhp 375 being high number...

thats a very realistic number. considering the engine...

383cid
ported and polished heads
oversized valves
11:1 compression
that tiny little cam
air gab manifold
cat back exhaust
ecu tune
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on April 01, 2009, 03:45:20 PM
I think the bottom line here is that you're an idiot, looking forward to seeing it not make the power numbers you have dreamed up.

Thanks for playing ...

can i borrow your mild 340 next weekend...? i have a boat anchor but its not heavy enough
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: bigdaddyvtec on April 01, 2009, 03:47:44 PM
REAL SOLID lifter 1970 LT1 stroked to 383

Dad and I built it about 9 years ago. Still runs strong as hell (oh ya, cars his) Makes about 425 at the crank.

(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi44.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ff4%2Fbigdaddyvtec%2Fdads%2520shit%2FSpike-0216.jpg&hash=db7c626f5240782cc5729968457911ed3c05c044)

in this:
(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi44.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ff4%2Fbigdaddyvtec%2Fdads%2520shit%2FSpike-0199.jpg&hash=c354d7806494b3267a98bf88f8d1843abd239177)
(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi44.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ff4%2Fbigdaddyvtec%2Fdads%2520shit%2FSpike-0206.jpg&hash=5382df4b64a4971096f9b22c2cc4fd08745d5607)

Its for sale.



As for the boat anchor comment Johnny... My not so mild 340 on a 200 shot in a tubbed and caged dart ran 10s... In 1988.




and if you need a REAL boat anchor I have a spare H22 laying around.

Dustins pile of pentastar will WALK on you.

See ya at the dyno day sweetness...  :-*


 :yes:

Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on April 01, 2009, 03:49:30 PM
your friends 340 belongs in a truck, or a 1960s yacht
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on April 01, 2009, 03:59:08 PM
the LT4 heads have 2.00-/1.55-inch valves.
the LT1 heads have 1.94/1.50-inch valves.

LT1 flow 212cfm intake
LT4 flow 240cfm intake

with stock valves and cam


gee i guess i'll probably make around stock power then  :'(
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: Teg2boo on April 01, 2009, 04:09:17 PM
We all love tuna.

(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Flh4.ggpht.com%2F_ttHKvikk-8g%2FSbswhMR4_sI%2FAAAAAAAAAgo%2FlIclY-fq1LQ%2FIMG_0269.jpg&hash=cd8814e782e7a2a5e4e885360d98203be0a730fc)
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: bigdaddyvtec on April 01, 2009, 04:10:48 PM
Canadians Love teh CACK
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: Urban Indian on April 01, 2009, 04:13:09 PM
My not so mild 340 on a 200 shot in a tubbed and caged dart ran 10s... In 1988.




I was just born.........
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: Teg2boo on April 01, 2009, 04:14:10 PM
You used a sentense made by Xenocron  :?:

Shame on you big boy.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: bigdaddyvtec on April 01, 2009, 04:15:43 PM
No I used a sentence Xenofraud stole nigger
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: trevor72 on April 01, 2009, 04:20:42 PM
i'm diggin all this v8 and old tech talk but there is much wrong in this thread. 

`basically cam is too small to ever ever ever make 475 crank.  numbers and predictions aside should be a fun little torquey motor for a stock cruiser and will be fine, just wondering what the goal was here?

` you seem to have a good set of heads on there and what i'd think is the right intake for that combo, don't know why the high compression but ok cool more comp can't hurt power esp with alum heads.  the big stroke is much more forgiving in terms of large cams so personally i'd put somethign much bigger in there even for a DD ride. 

`a carb never tunes itself not even a little bit  shame on you for believing this.  air bleeds simply affect the 'signal' the carb sees.

` mopars are great, and the 340 is a legendary motor, ever held a stock 340 rod in your hand? 

`power lost measured in % is an industry standard has been for a reallly long time

I think the bottom line here is that you're an idiot, looking forward to seeing it not make the power numbers you have dreamed up.

Thanks for playing ...

I concur
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on April 01, 2009, 04:32:28 PM
i'm diggin all this v8 and old tech talk but there is much wrong in this thread. 

`basically cam is too small to ever ever ever make 475 crank.  numbers and predictions aside should be a fun little torquey motor for a stock cruiser and will be fine, just wondering what the goal was here?

` you seem to have a good set of heads on there and what i'd think is the right intake for that combo, don't know why the high compression but ok cool more comp can't hurt power esp with alum heads.  the big stroke is much more forgiving in terms of large cams so personally i'd put somethign much bigger in there even for a DD ride. 

`a carb never tunes itself not even a little bit  shame on you for believing this.  air bleeds simply affect the 'signal' the carb sees.

` mopars are great, and the 340 is a legendary motor, ever held a stock 340 rod in your hand? 

`power lost measured in % is an industry standard has been for a reallly long time

I think the bottom line here is that you're an idiot, looking forward to seeing it not make the power numbers you have dreamed up.

Thanks for playing ...

I concur


another expert.

did you see that i said tune themselves, which is dull down meaning it will work run right on lots of different motors. thanks for playing.

340 is legendary for being a turd boat anchor

power "loss" measured in % ONLY APPLIES TO COMPLETELY STOCK CARS.

drivetrain's eat horsepower PERIOD. it doesn't change depending on how much power you make.

another know it all

i
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: bigdaddyvtec on April 01, 2009, 04:45:56 PM
The loss percentage is NOT always constant throughout the RPM range though son.

Dew teh Maf
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: trevor72 on April 01, 2009, 04:46:52 PM
typical Chebby guy

OK hot head, i don't have much time to argue with you, but will laugh at you instead. What i do have is first hand experience.

Congrats on your first build princess I hope it works out. 
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on April 01, 2009, 04:49:14 PM
typical Chebby guy

OK hot head, i don't have much time to argue with you, but will laugh at you instead. What i do have is first hand experience.

Congrats on your first build princess I hope it works out. 

yea you're right douche bag, first motor i've ever built, and first car i've ever had.

dumbass.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: patsmx5 on April 01, 2009, 05:24:50 PM
i'm diggin all this v8 and old tech talk but there is much wrong in this thread. 

`basically cam is too small to ever ever ever make 475 crank.  numbers and predictions aside should be a fun little torquey motor for a stock cruiser and will be fine, just wondering what the goal was here?

` you seem to have a good set of heads on there and what i'd think is the right intake for that combo, don't know why the high compression but ok cool more comp can't hurt power esp with alum heads.  the big stroke is much more forgiving in terms of large cams so personally i'd put somethign much bigger in there even for a DD ride. 

`a carb never tunes itself not even a little bit  shame on you for believing this.  air bleeds simply affect the 'signal' the carb sees.

` mopars are great, and the 340 is a legendary motor, ever held a stock 340 rod in your hand? 

`power lost measured in % is an industry standard has been for a reallly long time

I think the bottom line here is that you're an idiot, looking forward to seeing it not make the power numbers you have dreamed up.

Thanks for playing ...

I concur


another expert.

did you see that i said tune themselves, which is dull down meaning it will work run right on lots of different motors. thanks for playing.

340 is legendary for being a turd boat anchor

power "loss" measured in % ONLY APPLIES TO COMPLETELY STOCK CARS.

drivetrain's eat horsepower PERIOD. it doesn't change depending on how much power you make.

another know it all

i

Drivetrain losses are not a constant. They change as the RPM and torque transmitted through them varies. They are usually estimated as a % loss, which is only an estimate and not really 'correct'. But it's not flat number either.

This is elementary. Friction loss = coefficient of friction times the normal force. IE- You place a wooden board on a table and push it across the table. This requires a force. If you put a weight on the board and then push it, it's harder to move because the normal force of the board against the table is higher, therefore the static and kinetic frictions are higher.

IE- two gears turning in oil. The faster they turn, the more losses their are from having to churn the oil. This is a quadratic varying load.
In the same example, power transmitted through the gears causes rubbing forces, bearing losses, etc, and these are linear varying loads. Double the torque transmitted and frictional losses (more or less) double.
Net loss through the two gears is complex.

In short, "drivetrain's eat horsepower PERIOD. it doesn't change depending on how much power you make." is incorrect.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: 92CXyD on April 01, 2009, 05:27:26 PM
somebody has been paying attention to his physic class. :yes: ;D
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on April 01, 2009, 05:29:57 PM
i'm diggin all this v8 and old tech talk but there is much wrong in this thread. 

`basically cam is too small to ever ever ever make 475 crank.  numbers and predictions aside should be a fun little torquey motor for a stock cruiser and will be fine, just wondering what the goal was here?

` you seem to have a good set of heads on there and what i'd think is the right intake for that combo, don't know why the high compression but ok cool more comp can't hurt power esp with alum heads.  the big stroke is much more forgiving in terms of large cams so personally i'd put somethign much bigger in there even for a DD ride. 

`a carb never tunes itself not even a little bit  shame on you for believing this.  air bleeds simply affect the 'signal' the carb sees.

` mopars are great, and the 340 is a legendary motor, ever held a stock 340 rod in your hand? 

`power lost measured in % is an industry standard has been for a reallly long time

I think the bottom line here is that you're an idiot, looking forward to seeing it not make the power numbers you have dreamed up.

Thanks for playing ...

I concur


another expert.

did you see that i said tune themselves, which is dull down meaning it will work run right on lots of different motors. thanks for playing.

340 is legendary for being a turd boat anchor

power "loss" measured in % ONLY APPLIES TO COMPLETELY STOCK CARS.

drivetrain's eat horsepower PERIOD. it doesn't change depending on how much power you make.

another know it all

i

Drivetrain losses are not a constant. They change as the RPM and torque transmitted through them varies. They are usually estimated as a % loss, which is only an estimate and not really 'correct'. But it's not flat number either.

This is elementary. Friction loss = coefficient of friction times the normal force. IE- You place a wooden board on a table and push it across the table. This requires a force. If you put a weight on the board and then push it, it's harder to move because the normal force of the board against the table is higher, therefore the static and kinetic frictions are higher.

IE- two gears turning in oil. The faster they turn, the more losses their are from having to churn the oil. This is a quadratic varying load.
In the same example, power transmitted through the gears causes rubbing forces, bearing losses, etc, and these are linear varying loads. Double the torque transmitted and frictional losses (more or less) double.
Net loss through the two gears is complex.

In short, "drivetrain's eat horsepower PERIOD. it doesn't change depending on how much power you make." is incorrect.


damn those 8000hp top fuel dragsters and the 1200hp they lose in the drive train   :o

 :?:
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: 92CXyD on April 01, 2009, 05:36:20 PM
they actually lose upto 1000bhp turning the blower.

If they were turboed they would gain that 1000 hp back.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: bigdaddyvtec on April 01, 2009, 05:40:57 PM
i'm diggin all this v8 and old tech talk but there is much wrong in this thread. 

`basically cam is too small to ever ever ever make 475 crank.  numbers and predictions aside should be a fun little torquey motor for a stock cruiser and will be fine, just wondering what the goal was here?

` you seem to have a good set of heads on there and what i'd think is the right intake for that combo, don't know why the high compression but ok cool more comp can't hurt power esp with alum heads.  the big stroke is much more forgiving in terms of large cams so personally i'd put somethign much bigger in there even for a DD ride. 

`a carb never tunes itself not even a little bit  shame on you for believing this.  air bleeds simply affect the 'signal' the carb sees.

` mopars are great, and the 340 is a legendary motor, ever held a stock 340 rod in your hand? 

`power lost measured in % is an industry standard has been for a reallly long time

I think the bottom line here is that you're an idiot, looking forward to seeing it not make the power numbers you have dreamed up.

Thanks for playing ...

I concur


another expert.

did you see that i said tune themselves, which is dull down meaning it will work run right on lots of different motors. thanks for playing.

340 is legendary for being a turd boat anchor

power "loss" measured in % ONLY APPLIES TO COMPLETELY STOCK CARS.

drivetrain's eat horsepower PERIOD. it doesn't change depending on how much power you make.

another know it all

i

Drivetrain losses are not a constant. They change as the RPM and torque transmitted through them varies. They are usually estimated as a % loss, which is only an estimate and not really 'correct'. But it's not flat number either.

This is elementary. Friction loss = coefficient of friction times the normal force. IE- You place a wooden board on a table and push it across the table. This requires a force. If you put a weight on the board and then push it, it's harder to move because the normal force of the board against the table is higher, therefore the static and kinetic frictions are higher.

IE- two gears turning in oil. The faster they turn, the more losses their are from having to churn the oil. This is a quadratic varying load.
In the same example, power transmitted through the gears causes rubbing forces, bearing losses, etc, and these are linear varying loads. Double the torque transmitted and frictional losses (more or less) double.
Net loss through the two gears is complex.

In short, "drivetrain's eat horsepower PERIOD. it doesn't change depending on how much power you make." is incorrect.


I believe I posted that in a form easier for us rednecks up here inthe NW to understand about two posts before this.


DOnt confuse him.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: Joseph Davis on April 01, 2009, 05:55:06 PM
OK, I'm not reading 5 pages of Johnny Bliss attracting a flamewar (I don't see any other reason this thread is five pages so quick), but it looks sweet on the stand and I want video of it running.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: patsmx5 on April 01, 2009, 05:58:00 PM
i'm diggin all this v8 and old tech talk but there is much wrong in this thread. 

`basically cam is too small to ever ever ever make 475 crank.  numbers and predictions aside should be a fun little torquey motor for a stock cruiser and will be fine, just wondering what the goal was here?

` you seem to have a good set of heads on there and what i'd think is the right intake for that combo, don't know why the high compression but ok cool more comp can't hurt power esp with alum heads.  the big stroke is much more forgiving in terms of large cams so personally i'd put somethign much bigger in there even for a DD ride. 

`a carb never tunes itself not even a little bit  shame on you for believing this.  air bleeds simply affect the 'signal' the carb sees.

` mopars are great, and the 340 is a legendary motor, ever held a stock 340 rod in your hand? 

`power lost measured in % is an industry standard has been for a reallly long time

I think the bottom line here is that you're an idiot, looking forward to seeing it not make the power numbers you have dreamed up.

Thanks for playing ...

I concur


another expert.

did you see that i said tune themselves, which is dull down meaning it will work run right on lots of different motors. thanks for playing.

340 is legendary for being a turd boat anchor

power "loss" measured in % ONLY APPLIES TO COMPLETELY STOCK CARS.

drivetrain's eat horsepower PERIOD. it doesn't change depending on how much power you make.

another know it all

i

Drivetrain losses are not a constant. They change as the RPM and torque transmitted through them varies. They are usually estimated as a % loss, which is only an estimate and not really 'correct'. But it's not flat number either.

This is elementary. Friction loss = coefficient of friction times the normal force. IE- You place a wooden board on a table and push it across the table. This requires a force. If you put a weight on the board and then push it, it's harder to move because the normal force of the board against the table is higher, therefore the static and kinetic frictions are higher.

IE- two gears turning in oil. The faster they turn, the more losses their are from having to churn the oil. This is a quadratic varying load.
In the same example, power transmitted through the gears causes rubbing forces, bearing losses, etc, and these are linear varying loads. Double the torque transmitted and frictional losses (more or less) double.
Net loss through the two gears is complex.

In short, "drivetrain's eat horsepower PERIOD. it doesn't change depending on how much power you make." is incorrect.

\

I believe I posted thatin a form easier for us rednecks up here inthe NW to understand about two posts before this.


DOnt confuse him.
Lol. From South MS. I can talk redneck if need be.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: snm95ls on April 01, 2009, 06:48:11 PM
I made it through about 2.5 pages and this came to mind.

(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi240.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fff220%2Fqrdodd%2Fwtfsit.jpg&hash=c23f1a04ede74545bd61fcda292b7f215636b4f0)
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: Sinister on April 01, 2009, 07:26:39 PM
TUNA!!!
bullshit asshole, no one likes the tuna here

why dont you go to fatburger from now on, get a cheeseburger with fries for 2.95 faggot! hahaha

I agree with JD, im not reading 5 pages of flame wars but looks good, also want vid kthx
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: 1Fast68 on April 01, 2009, 07:32:12 PM
So I wasn't sure i was going to the HMT dyno day, but I am going to propose a wager.  You say this pile of shit is going to make between 350 and 375 RWHP. We'll call it 362.5  

If it makes 362.6 or greater I'll pay the $30 for your turn on the rollers. If it makes 362.4 or less, or your ass doesn't show up with the car, but a bucket full of excuses, you pay $30 for my dyno time.

Being its a Dynojet, it should make it that much easier for you.

Time for you to man up.  :-*
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on April 01, 2009, 07:37:21 PM
So I wasn't sure i was going to the HMT dyno day, but I am going to propose a wager.  You say this pile of shit is going to make between 350 and 375 RWHP. We'll call it 362.5  

If it makes 362.6 or greater I'll pay the $30 for your turn on the rollers. If it makes 362.4 or less, or your ass doesn't show up with the car, but a bucket full of excuses, you pay $30 for my dyno time.

Being its a Dynojet, it should make it that much easier for you.

Time for you to man up.  :-*

ok,

but i have to tell you in advance that i will not be able to go if leeann hasn't had the baby yet  8)
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: Joseph Davis on April 01, 2009, 07:42:33 PM
Nonsense.  Pregnant women love loud cars, and the smell of leaded racegas.   :noel:


PS - whatchu naming the kid?
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: j.h.christ on April 01, 2009, 07:48:20 PM
PS - whatchu naming the kid?

edelbrock detroit kalashnikov gasmileage bliss

that's right motherfucker, 3 middle names
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on April 01, 2009, 07:49:57 PM
Vic RPM PERFORMER Bliss
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on April 01, 2009, 07:53:32 PM
she is due may 16th so obviously im not going to go if she hasn't had it yet lol
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: Joseph Davis on April 01, 2009, 07:56:43 PM
Nonsense.  Pregnant women love loud cars, and the smell of leaded racegas.   :noel:


PS - whatchu naming the kid?
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on April 01, 2009, 07:58:00 PM
johnny earl bliss
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: 1Fast68 on April 01, 2009, 07:59:24 PM
johnny earl bliss

Does he come out of the vag wearing his white robe and hood or is he going to have to earn that?
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on April 01, 2009, 08:01:09 PM
johnny earl bliss

Does he come out of the vag wearing his white robe and hood or is he going to have to earn that?

whats that supposed to mean?
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on April 01, 2009, 08:24:08 PM
you know whats funny. i've know of this motor on a engine dyno making 440hp untuned  8)
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: 1Fast68 on April 01, 2009, 08:39:03 PM
you know whats funny. i've know of this motor on a engine dyno making 440hp untuned  8)

Well thats good, cuz believe it or not automatics will put down about 20% less to the tire.

440 x 80% = 352 hp.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on April 01, 2009, 08:41:14 PM
you know whats funny. i've know of this motor on a engine dyno making 440hp untuned  8)

Well thats good, cuz believe it or not automatics will put down about 20% less to the tire.

440 x 80% = 352 hp.

actually if we want to get really smart like the internet experts, the corvette auto trans drive train loss is 17.6%

362.56hp LOL

with my tune, i think i'll be ok.

but seriously, that 340 you got rules. good luck with that

Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: j.h.christ on April 01, 2009, 09:39:35 PM

actually if we want to get really smart like the internet experts, the corvette auto trans drive train loss is 17.6%

362.56hp LOL

with my tune, i think i'll be ok.

but seriously, that 340 you got rules. good luck with that



far be it from me to stir the shit to make it stink worse, but his car runs 12's all day, everyday. where is your 12 second car?
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on April 01, 2009, 09:43:00 PM
when this motor gets into my vette it'll easily shit on mid 12s

(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dragcityvideos.com%2Fimages%2Fz28Camaro%2Fz28Camaro_34.jpg&hash=766c5e369d8deb861783bcd78bad55d749ebf522)

(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dragcityvideos.com%2Fimages%2F96Corvette%2F96Corvette_1.jpg&hash=be05faedbba905b64365ab44910ad66765d850df)

Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: Conceptz-X on April 01, 2009, 10:03:56 PM
far be it from me to stir the shit to make it stink worse

I was thinking the same.  I hope it works for you Johnny,

I haven't fucked with SBC's in years. Been strictly on 4age's and cleveland's for the last 5 years.  I have some SBC shit still at my mom's house in NY, but it does nothing for me here in AL. 
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on April 01, 2009, 10:05:29 PM
i've had several 12 second cars so its not really a big deal. but thats nice that you guys care enough to remember my cars over the years  :'(
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on April 01, 2009, 10:37:54 PM
yes and the duster is smaller than the challenger.

14.7@94 was fast back then. not today
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on April 01, 2009, 10:40:56 PM
yes and the duster is smaller than the challenger.

14.7@94 was fast back then. not today

for a stock factory car 14.7 on bias ply tires and loose as fuck suspension/spring rates is pretty damn good.

yes, that car was very fast in 1970.

but i think it had radial tires in 1970
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: hotrex on April 01, 2009, 10:55:44 PM
johnny you are by far the dumbest pile of steamy worthless shit ive ever seen post on this site.

the fact you still try to argue down 17 people who obviously have 7 lifetimes more knowledge on this subject than you amazes me.

your shit sucks,  your cars suck.  your dog is a piece of shit,  and you and your old lady both wipe your pussies dry with the same fuckin towel.   boo ya  niggerfag.

your reply to this post is irrelevent because this is truth and everyone knows it,  sooooo  choke on a dogdick you fucken hick
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on April 01, 2009, 10:57:49 PM
johnny you are by far the dumbest pile of steamy worthless shit ive ever seen post on this site.

the fact you still try to argue down 17 people who obviously have 7 lifetimes more knowledge on this subject than you amazes me.

your shit sucks,  your cars suck.  your dog is a piece of shit,  and you and your old lady both wipe your pussies dry with the same fuckin towel.   boo ya  niggerfag.

your reply to this post is irrelevent because this is truth and everyone knows it,  sooooo  choke on a dogdick you fucken hick

HHH
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: 1Fast68 on April 01, 2009, 11:04:05 PM
Still bias ply tires in 1970 ......
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on April 01, 2009, 11:06:19 PM
Still bias ply tires in 1970 ......

actually 1970 was the first year radial tires were available. but im sure some cars had them and some didn't
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: 1Fast68 on April 01, 2009, 11:07:42 PM
Still bias ply tires in 1970 ......

actually 1970 was the first year radial tires were available. but im sure some cars had them and some didn't

Ok smart ass, well the challenger in question rolled off the assembly line sporting some bias plys
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: patsmx5 on April 01, 2009, 11:09:03 PM
Wow.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on April 01, 2009, 11:09:38 PM
Still bias ply tires in 1970 ......

actually 1970 was the first year radial tires were available. but im sure some cars had them and some didn't

damn it feels good to be a internet gangsta


Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: LS1pwNzJ00 on April 02, 2009, 12:30:11 AM
LT1's and LT4's aren't the same thing, so no reason to go posting numbers LT4 cars make as they will be higher than you anyways.

for comparison sake, you say your going to make 400 RWHP

My motor is

340 cid
10:1
230/230 @.050 480/480
Performer RPM heads (240 cfm @.500)
Aig gap intake
750 holley DP
1 5/8 - 1 3/4 step headers, 3" Exh. with X pipe to the bumper

Car goes 12.50's all day long, its a bracket car, not meant to be fast.

and for the numbers ...... 280rwhp @5800 , 280RWTQ @4800 On a mustang dyno, so figure 300 on a DJ.

I have more cam, probably more head flow, surely a less restrictive exhaust. So where do you plan on coming up with this extra 100 WHP?

cubic inches, compression, and rpms?  :-*

you have a hard time reading don't you? i said 450-475 crank hp. thats aprox 350-375rwhp. which is what it'll make i bet. with a bigger cam i could make 400rwhp easily

a stock LT4 makes more power than your motor. why would anyone build a 340 with 10:1 compression and NOT PUT IT IN A TRUCK LOL

that motor of yours belongs in a old ass ram dualie hauling hay

you figure 25+% drivetrain loss?  jesus
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on April 02, 2009, 12:31:39 AM
nah its prob around 20%
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on April 02, 2009, 12:54:49 AM
be nice its my first car and engine
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: Teg2boo on April 02, 2009, 01:05:10 AM
I just realised with your comment that I buy an average of 1.5 car/year lol

Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: j.h.christ on April 02, 2009, 01:05:16 AM
  and you and your old lady both wipe your pussies dry with the same fuckin towel. 

not trying to encourage, but this is bar none the funniest shit i've read in weeks.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: Joseph Davis on April 02, 2009, 01:52:13 AM
  and you and your old lady both wipe your pussies dry with the same fuckin towel. 

not trying to encourage, but this is bar none the funniest shit i've read in weeks.

hotrex is like a train.

is big, full of compressed dead shit, and starts slow, but that shit gets rollin and BOOM nothin stops it, not even a fuckin train full of valtrex

Nonsense.  Try asking him for a tracking number sometime.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: bigdaddyvtec on April 02, 2009, 02:34:17 AM
I just about peed my pants

Nice work JD
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: crx2fast on April 02, 2009, 05:55:49 AM
what a great read.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: BlackDragon on April 02, 2009, 08:49:20 AM
johnny you are by far the dumbest pile of steamy worthless shit ive ever seen post on this site.

the fact you still try to argue down 17 people who obviously have 7 lifetimes more knowledge on this subject than you amazes me.

your shit sucks,  your cars suck.  your dog is a piece of shit,  and you and your old lady both wipe your pussies dry with the same fuckin towel.   boo ya  niggerfag.

your reply to this post is irrelevent because this is truth and everyone knows it,  sooooo  choke on a dogdick you fucken hick

thats the funniest thing I read on this whole thread lol
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: Lowerit on April 02, 2009, 11:56:34 AM
nah its prob around 20%

Didn't you say 2 pages ago that no one who is intelligent uses driveline loss %'s???

Holy fuckin contradiction.


U truly are the coolest guy ever.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: crxvtec91 on April 02, 2009, 01:11:48 PM
johnny you are by far the dumbest pile of steamy worthless shit ive ever seen post on this site.

the fact you still try to argue down 17 people who obviously have 7 lifetimes more knowledge on this subject than you amazes me.

your shit sucks,  your cars suck.  your dog is a piece of shit,  and you and your old lady both wipe your pussies dry with the same fuckin towel.   boo ya  niggerfag.

your reply to this post is irrelevent because this is truth and everyone knows it,  sooooo  choke on a dogdick you fucken hick

Oh shit HHH is back; lmao :evil:

thats the funniest thing I read on this whole thread lol
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: patsmx5 on April 02, 2009, 04:26:09 PM
nah its prob around 20%

Didn't you say 2 pages ago that no one who is intelligent uses driveline loss %'s???

Holy fuckin contradiction.


U truly are the coolest guy ever.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on April 02, 2009, 05:29:24 PM
nah its prob around 20%

Didn't you say 2 pages ago that no one who is intelligent uses driveline loss %'s???

Holy fuckin contradiction.


U truly are the coolest guy ever.


you're too stupid to understand. you can't use a blanket %  because a 300hp engine would take 60hp to spin the drive train and a 600hp engine would take 120hp to spin the drivetrain. thats idiotic if you think because the engine makes more power its going to rob twice as much to spin the same shit. that is moronic.

you can say something takes a % of crank hp to spin the drive train, but you can't use a flat percent.

lets say it takes about 60hp to spin an auto trans and the rest...

if you have a 300hp engine it'll take 20%
if you have a 600hp engine it'll take 10%

no one in their right mind would believe that the same drive train would rob 60hp from a 300hp motor and 120hp from a 600hp motor
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: 1Fast68 on April 02, 2009, 05:33:58 PM
A torque converter doesn't care how much power you make, its going to slip the same percentage regardless.

The rest of the drive train is a different story, but as a rule of thumb blanket percentages will usually get you close.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: patsmx5 on April 02, 2009, 05:38:32 PM
nah its prob around 20%

Didn't you say 2 pages ago that no one who is intelligent uses driveline loss %'s???

Holy fuckin contradiction.


U truly are the coolest guy ever.


you're too stupid to understand. you can't use a blanket %  because a 300hp engine would take 60hp to spin the drive train and a 600hp engine would take 120hp to spin the drivetrain. thats idiotic if you think because the engine makes more power its going to rob twice as much to spin the same shit. that is moronic.

you can say something takes a % of crank hp to spin the drive train, but you can't use a flat percent.

lets say it takes about 60hp to spin an auto trans and the rest...

if you have a 300hp engine it'll take 20%
if you have a 600hp engine it'll take 10%

no one in their right mind would believe that the same drive train would rob 60hp from a 300hp motor and 120hp from a 600hp motor


I'll agree with the idiotic part of your assertion.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: patsmx5 on April 02, 2009, 05:40:41 PM
nah its prob around 20%

Didn't you say 2 pages ago that no one who is intelligent uses driveline loss %'s???

Holy fuckin contradiction.


U truly are the coolest guy ever.


you're too stupid to understand. you can't use a blanket %  because a 300hp engine would take 60hp to spin the drive train and a 600hp engine would take 120hp to spin the drivetrain. thats idiotic if you think because the engine makes more power its going to rob twice as much to spin the same shit. that is moronic.

you can say something takes a % of crank hp to spin the drive train, but you can't use a flat percent.

lets say it takes about 60hp to spin an auto trans and the rest...

if you have a 300hp engine it'll take 20%
if you have a 600hp engine it'll take 10%

no one in their right mind would believe that the same drive train would rob 60hp from a 300hp motor and 120hp from a 600hp motor

Counter point. So if I build a 300hp, 600hp, 10,000hp, and 1,000,000hp engine and put them behind the same drivetrain, if we assume the drivetrain doesn't fail, could I approach 100% efficient drivetrain as hp -> infinity? By your logic, yes.




Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on April 02, 2009, 05:45:56 PM
nah its prob around 20%

Didn't you say 2 pages ago that no one who is intelligent uses driveline loss %'s???

Holy fuckin contradiction.


U truly are the coolest guy ever.


you're too stupid to understand. you can't use a blanket %  because a 300hp engine would take 60hp to spin the drive train and a 600hp engine would take 120hp to spin the drivetrain. thats idiotic if you think because the engine makes more power its going to rob twice as much to spin the same shit. that is moronic.

you can say something takes a % of crank hp to spin the drive train, but you can't use a flat percent.

lets say it takes about 60hp to spin an auto trans and the rest...

if you have a 300hp engine it'll take 20%
if you have a 600hp engine it'll take 10%

no one in their right mind would believe that the same drive train would rob 60hp from a 300hp motor and 120hp from a 600hp motor

Counter point. So if I build a 300hp, 600hp, 10,000hp, and 1,000,000hp engine and put them behind the same drivetrain, if we assume the drivetrain doesn't fail, could I approach 100% efficient drivetrain as hp -> infinity? By your logic, yes.

nope

do you think if you had a 10000hp engine it would take 2000hp to spin a corvette drive train, but a 300hp engine would take 60hp to spin it.

 :yes:
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: patsmx5 on April 02, 2009, 05:49:20 PM
If I had to guess, fluid losses from turning oil go up between cubic and quarticly. That's like saying HP_loss due to moving oil = X = RPM * constant_1 ^(3 to 4) Where friction losses due to bearings, gears rubbing, etc, are mostly linear. IE- HP_loss due to friction = Y = RPM * constant_2. But in reality, as you begin increasing load, the working loads of the various pieces goes higher and higher, and they become less efficient, and your friction losses begin to increase quadratically.

Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: patsmx5 on April 02, 2009, 05:50:05 PM
nah its prob around 20%

Didn't you say 2 pages ago that no one who is intelligent uses driveline loss %'s???

Holy fuckin contradiction.


U truly are the coolest guy ever.


you're too stupid to understand. you can't use a blanket %  because a 300hp engine would take 60hp to spin the drive train and a 600hp engine would take 120hp to spin the drivetrain. thats idiotic if you think because the engine makes more power its going to rob twice as much to spin the same shit. that is moronic.

you can say something takes a % of crank hp to spin the drive train, but you can't use a flat percent.

lets say it takes about 60hp to spin an auto trans and the rest...

if you have a 300hp engine it'll take 20%
if you have a 600hp engine it'll take 10%

no one in their right mind would believe that the same drive train would rob 60hp from a 300hp motor and 120hp from a 600hp motor

Counter point. So if I build a 300hp, 600hp, 10,000hp, and 1,000,000hp engine and put them behind the same drivetrain, if we assume the drivetrain doesn't fail, could I approach 100% efficient drivetrain as hp -> infinity? By your logic, yes.

nope

do you think if you had a 10000hp engine it would take 2000hp to spin a corvette drive train, but a 300hp engine would take 60hp to spin it.

 :yes:

Do you understand any of what I'm saying?
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on April 02, 2009, 05:53:01 PM
nah its prob around 20%

Didn't you say 2 pages ago that no one who is intelligent uses driveline loss %'s???

Holy fuckin contradiction.


U truly are the coolest guy ever.


you're too stupid to understand. you can't use a blanket %  because a 300hp engine would take 60hp to spin the drive train and a 600hp engine would take 120hp to spin the drivetrain. thats idiotic if you think because the engine makes more power its going to rob twice as much to spin the same shit. that is moronic.

you can say something takes a % of crank hp to spin the drive train, but you can't use a flat percent.

lets say it takes about 60hp to spin an auto trans and the rest...

if you have a 300hp engine it'll take 20%
if you have a 600hp engine it'll take 10%

no one in their right mind would believe that the same drive train would rob 60hp from a 300hp motor and 120hp from a 600hp motor

Counter point. So if I build a 300hp, 600hp, 10,000hp, and 1,000,000hp engine and put them behind the same drivetrain, if we assume the drivetrain doesn't fail, could I approach 100% efficient drivetrain as hp -> infinity? By your logic, yes.

nope

do you think if you had a 10000hp engine it would take 2000hp to spin a corvette drive train, but a 300hp engine would take 60hp to spin it.

 :yes:

Do you understand any of what I'm saying?

Why are we talking about fluid? little of the hp rob from a drivetrain is the torque converter on a automatic transmission.

we're talking about spinning metal parts with a thin film of oil on them.

i understand what you're saying and NO you can't get 100% efficiency because you have a 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000hp motor. it'll still rob a little bit of it, but it'll obviously be a very little percent.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: patsmx5 on April 02, 2009, 05:59:59 PM
nah its prob around 20%

Didn't you say 2 pages ago that no one who is intelligent uses driveline loss %'s???

Holy fuckin contradiction.


U truly are the coolest guy ever.


you're too stupid to understand. you can't use a blanket %  because a 300hp engine would take 60hp to spin the drive train and a 600hp engine would take 120hp to spin the drivetrain. thats idiotic if you think because the engine makes more power its going to rob twice as much to spin the same shit. that is moronic.

you can say something takes a % of crank hp to spin the drive train, but you can't use a flat percent.

lets say it takes about 60hp to spin an auto trans and the rest...

if you have a 300hp engine it'll take 20%
if you have a 600hp engine it'll take 10%

no one in their right mind would believe that the same drive train would rob 60hp from a 300hp motor and 120hp from a 600hp motor

Counter point. So if I build a 300hp, 600hp, 10,000hp, and 1,000,000hp engine and put them behind the same drivetrain, if we assume the drivetrain doesn't fail, could I approach 100% efficient drivetrain as hp -> infinity? By your logic, yes.

nope

do you think if you had a 10000hp engine it would take 2000hp to spin a corvette drive train, but a 300hp engine would take 60hp to spin it.

 :yes:

Do you understand any of what I'm saying?

Why are we talking about fluid? little of the hp rob from a drivetrain is the torque converter on a automatic transmission.

we're talking about spinning metal parts with a thin film of oil on them.

i understand what you're saying and NO you can't get 100% efficiency because you have a 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000hp motor. it'll still rob a little bit of it, but it'll obviously be a very little percent.
Why are we talking about fluids? Because we are talking about drivetrain losses. They are relevant and you are neglecting them. The transmission is a box with gears in it, and it has oil in it. So does the differential. Wheel bearings are lubed with grease that turns to oil when up to temp. Most of the drivetrain is metal shit that's lubricated to reduce friction, increase working loads, etc when transferring power.




Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on April 02, 2009, 06:10:23 PM
maybe you can put your book down, and talk in reality. there is no 1000000000000000000000motor that spins a car drive train. so throw that away.

flat percentages don't work if you're going to figure drive train loss. END OF STORY. you can express the drive train loss in a percent, but you can't use a percent to figure it out.

is that easy enough for you professor?
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: patsmx5 on April 02, 2009, 06:14:18 PM
maybe you can put your book down, and talk in reality. there is no 1000000000000000000000motor that spins a car drive train. so throw that away.

flat percentages don't work if you're going to figure drive train loss. END OF STORY. you can express the drive train loss in a percent, but you can't use a percent to figure it out.

is that easy enough for you professor?

Dude, you just don't understand what I said. No shit it's not a flat %. Duh. But it's not constant either. I've said this 3 times now if you haven't noticed.  :?:   It's complex. There are multiple losses that must be accounted for. You can have different % power losses at the same power too. (I'll let you ponder how that's possible)  :noel:

Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on April 02, 2009, 06:16:08 PM
maybe you can put your book down, and talk in reality. there is no 1000000000000000000000motor that spins a car drive train. so throw that away.

flat percentages don't work if you're going to figure drive train loss. END OF STORY. you can express the drive train loss in a percent, but you can't use a percent to figure it out.

is that easy enough for you professor?

Dude, you just don't understand what I said. No shit it's not a flat %. Duh. But it's not constant either. I've said this 3 times now if you haven't noticed.  :?:   It's complex. There are multiple losses that must be accounted for. You can have different % power losses at the same power too. (I'll let you ponder how that's possible)  :noel:



its minuscule difference in the power levels we're talking. so minuscule it doesn't even fucking matter and we should not be talking about it.

thanks.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: patsmx5 on April 02, 2009, 06:28:51 PM
maybe you can put your book down, and talk in reality. there is no 1000000000000000000000motor that spins a car drive train. so throw that away.

flat percentages don't work if you're going to figure drive train loss. END OF STORY. you can express the drive train loss in a percent, but you can't use a percent to figure it out.

is that easy enough for you professor?

Dude, you just don't understand what I said. No shit it's not a flat %. Duh. But it's not constant either. I've said this 3 times now if you haven't noticed.  :?:   It's complex. There are multiple losses that must be accounted for. You can have different % power losses at the same power too. (I'll let you ponder how that's possible)  :noel:



its minuscule difference in the power levels we're talking. so minuscule it doesn't even fucking matter and we should not be talking about it.

thanks.

Uh, wrong.

Super simplified example. (extremely dumbed down) You have a stock motor that makes 200 flywheel HP. Of that, 35HP gets eaten up from friction losses through the drivetrain, 5HP for churning oil and everything else. So you loose 40hp total and put 160hp to the wheels. 20% drivetrain loss.

Stop. Think. What's friction?

Now turbocharge this motor and it puts out 400hp. You'll loose say (35*2) = 70hp due to friction and 5 HP from churning oil and everything else, and put down 400-75 = 325 hp to the wheels, for a 18.75% efficient drivetrain.

And perhaps at 500hp you've got 18% drivetrain loss.

But eventually you'll reach a point where as you begin to increase the power going through the drivetrain, bearings begin to overheat and bind up, gears rubbing get hotter than normal and bind, causing more friction and heat, and the problem compounds. So by the time you're at say 600hp, your efficiency might fall off back to 20%.

Or just believe whatever you want.  8)


Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: Conceptz-X on April 02, 2009, 06:38:28 PM
to sum up this arguement, the drivetrain loss in an automatic is between 30 to 70hp; numbers i threw in here but are close to real life figures depending on variables, rwd/fwd, transmission size (car or diesel truck), etc.

whether it's a 300hp motor, or a 600hp motor, it's going to take roughly the same amount of effort to make it work.
That's about it

Haven't seen a tranny to take 70HP, 50HP max, but yea
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: patsmx5 on April 02, 2009, 06:41:49 PM
to sum up this arguement, the drivetrain loss in an automatic is between 30 to 70hp; numbers i threw in here but are close to real life figures depending on variables, rwd/fwd, transmission size (car or diesel truck), etc.

whether it's a 300hp motor, or a 600hp motor, it's going to take roughly the same amount of effort to make it work.
That would be nice if that were true. Your argument is larger, more powerful engines (with respect to relative drivetrain size) have much lower drivetrain losses. You are neglecting too many things/ making too many assumptions.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on April 02, 2009, 06:46:51 PM
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Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: patsmx5 on April 02, 2009, 06:47:38 PM
to sum up this arguement, the drivetrain loss in an automatic is between 30 to 70hp; numbers i threw in here but are close to real life figures depending on variables, rwd/fwd, transmission size (car or diesel truck), etc.

whether it's a 300hp motor, or a 600hp motor, it's going to take roughly the same amount of effort to make it work.
That would be nice if that were true. Your argument is larger, more powerful engines (with respect to relative drivetrain size) have much lower drivetrain losses. You are neglecting too many things/ making too many assumptions.

what part of "to sum up this arguement" didn't you read?

i KNOW it is not a linear scale of parasitic loss.  i know it is not a fixed amount of loss.  if you make xhp and you lose 40hp, if you make 3x hp you may only lose 80 hp but its not an equal ratio

Ah. I misunderstood your last post.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: BoostedSchemes on April 02, 2009, 07:06:04 PM
i went snorkeling in a cum dumpster for money today

Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: Conceptz-X on April 02, 2009, 08:20:32 PM
That would be nice if that were true. Your argument is larger, more powerful engines (with respect to relative drivetrain size) have much lower drivetrain losses. You are neglecting too many things/ making too many assumptions.
I was thinking GAS up to LIGHT DUTY TRUCK

I'd hate to see what it takes to turn the trans in one of those super-sized earthmovers.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on April 02, 2009, 08:23:43 PM
zzzzzzz
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: Conceptz-X on April 02, 2009, 08:29:54 PM
Sleeping Johnny?
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: 1Fast68 on April 02, 2009, 08:55:12 PM
This thread was doomed from the beginning, just let it die.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: BlackDragon on April 03, 2009, 08:08:10 AM
No point in arguing with RS he always right and the opposite always wrong  :P
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on April 07, 2009, 02:19:08 AM
r&r a 96 corvette... what a pain in the ass
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: Conceptz-X on April 07, 2009, 09:21:34 PM
yea they are
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on April 08, 2009, 02:40:16 PM
(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dragcityvideos.com%2Fimages%2F96Corvette%2F96Corvette_10.jpg&hash=a0b72de8ca7617cc7c6e264944c1cef52603581a)
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: Perfek360 on April 08, 2009, 10:38:11 PM
johny, when did you get the vette?  i know you were talkin bout getting one not too long ago. i might have to make a trip to take a looky at it
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on April 08, 2009, 11:11:32 PM
johny, when did you get the vette?  i know you were talkin bout getting one not too long ago. i might have to make a trip to take a looky at it

i got it a few months ago and had it two days and a rod started knocking. what a joke!
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: patsmx5 on April 08, 2009, 11:27:13 PM
johny, when did you get the vette?  i know you were talkin bout getting one not too long ago. i might have to make a trip to take a looky at it

i got it a few months ago and had it two days and a rod started knocking. what a joke!
Cylinder 7 started knocking.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: Perfek360 on April 09, 2009, 01:45:37 AM
johny, when did you get the vette?  i know you were talkin bout getting one not too long ago. i might have to make a trip to take a looky at it

i got it a few months ago and had it two days and a rod started knocking. what a joke!

nice...gotta love that
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on April 09, 2009, 03:11:22 PM
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Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: 92CXyD on April 09, 2009, 03:16:31 PM
Nice those headers need the flanges cut off and a turbo flange welded on each for some twin turbo action. :evil:
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on April 09, 2009, 03:18:40 PM
maybe someday
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: Lowerit on April 09, 2009, 03:19:34 PM
Block huggers on an LT1 Vette..

The first sign you know sweet fuck all.. Ported stockers flow more.

before you go on the typical BS Rampage take a look at what the rest of the Vette world (Who has been in it longer then 6 mos) Thinks of SUPER SWEET BLOCK HUGGERS.

http://www.corvetteactioncenter.com/forums/c4-technical-performance/30586-who-makes-headers-92-96-lt-1-a.html (http://www.corvetteactioncenter.com/forums/c4-technical-performance/30586-who-makes-headers-92-96-lt-1-a.html)

Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on April 09, 2009, 03:24:29 PM
those guys aren't seeing butt dyno gains on their stock engine

i'm sure these will have an effect on my motor. i've already talked to guys smarter than you and they said with my engine it'll help.

stick it up your pussy and go look at your dads engines poser.

Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: Lowerit on April 09, 2009, 03:28:55 PM
haha "my dads"

Dear Choch bag.. I have 6 cars myself and probably older then u.


Block Huggers = (https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.v6mustangstuff.com%2Fimages%2Ftornado.jpg&hash=43d22b2d51f2d00734b256ef402bb45d55383847)


Fuck ya..RACinG TeCHNoLoGy!!!

entire vette forums say they aren't worth the time ...but you know a guy.... AWESOME!
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on April 09, 2009, 03:29:31 PM
tell your dad he has nice cars little man
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: Lowerit on April 09, 2009, 04:57:15 PM
Good comeback Masta Tuna..

Enjoy those block huggers...  Err I mean HF mani's..I mean how could they not make as much power.. Look at them!!

Ceramic Coated For the MaD PoWA!!


Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: patsmx5 on April 09, 2009, 05:22:56 PM
Good comeback Masta Tuna..

Enjoy those block huggers...  Err I mean HF mani's..I mean how could they not make as much power.. Look at them!!

Ceramic Coated For the MaD PoWA!!



Arguing with Johhny is pointless. Doesn't matter if you're right.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on April 09, 2009, 06:31:05 PM
coolest guy ever, do you still have the stock manifolds?
i'll take them off your hands.
i need something for my turbo setup

yea i have them but if i want to make mad power i should switch my headers for the stock manifolds.

Ceramic Coated For the MaD PoWA!


these are not ceramic coated.

have you ever turbo'd anything?

hey n/a mike lowerqueer's dad might give you a good deal on a set from one of his cars.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: Joseph Davis on April 09, 2009, 09:43:50 PM
Seriously, ditch the block huggers.  Long tube big primary pls.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: 88dx on April 09, 2009, 09:47:14 PM
Seriously, ditch the block huggers.  Long tube big primary pls.
NOpe LOG FTMFW
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on April 09, 2009, 09:55:07 PM
Seriously, ditch the block huggers.  Long tube big primary pls.

long tubes are like 1200 bucks. wasn't prepared to spend that much atm. $200 shorty headers will do
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: 88dx on April 10, 2009, 12:31:56 AM
LOG
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: 88dx on April 10, 2009, 12:42:43 AM
LOG
HHH
CRX
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: crxvtec91 on April 10, 2009, 12:47:32 AM
Damn most worthless post to date!!!

Jonny post some vids of the old 5.0 or the pick up :noel:
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on April 10, 2009, 12:58:39 AM
z28 Camaro burnoff
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Twin turbo mustang 2
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87 Conquest TSi burn
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turbo mustang burnof
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Turbo stang vs drags
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1991 Integra dyno
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Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: Joseph Davis on April 10, 2009, 11:05:30 AM
I still can't believe that you used to own a DA, and haven't come to WNC to drink untaxed liquor with me.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: crx-t on April 10, 2009, 12:07:44 PM
Here's what we put on my dad's 74 vette. Loooong tubes to 4" side pipes ftw!!

(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi288.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fll178%2Fbradterd%2Fcrx%2520dx%2F74%2520vette%2Fblingbling1.jpg&hash=415a301e6c20b909929d49b128f0643cf02c7f1e)
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: 92CXyD on April 10, 2009, 12:13:50 PM
Here's what we put on my dad's 74 vette. Loooong tubes to 4" side pipes ftw!!

(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi288.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fll178%2Fbradterd%2Fcrx%2520dx%2F74%2520vette%2Fblingbling1.jpg&hash=415a301e6c20b909929d49b128f0643cf02c7f1e)

Holy crap that is a lot of chrome.  ;D

I can never have that much chrome under hood.

I would so worried about keeping everything spotless.

Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on April 11, 2009, 12:19:59 AM
+500 hp

(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dragcityvideos.com%2Fimages%2F96Corvette%2F96Corvette_13.jpg&hash=6a1c2f00c9a9fc5302dba116fbcc1ff6e91b823d)
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on April 11, 2009, 12:21:02 AM
i talked to the guy who built this motor today, they just dynoed one made 405rwhp and 450tq w/ stock tb. and about a month ago dyno'd one with the same throttle body as i have and it made 426rwhp
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on April 11, 2009, 12:52:12 AM
water pumps add 100+hp?! holy fuck!!!!!!

nope they add 500 :)

+500 degrees

(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcache.daylife.com%2Fimageserve%2F059ff2kfUo5kH%2F610x.jpg&hash=aee32a08616a1193acdb311b639c897de31f06b1)

nice someone was smoking while fueling
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: Joseph Davis on April 11, 2009, 02:38:56 AM
I'd fap to that, burnt out shell or intact racecar.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: LS1pwNzJ00 on April 11, 2009, 02:52:11 PM
i talked to the guy who built this motor today, they just dynoed one made 405rwhp and 450tq w/ stock tb. and about a month ago dyno'd one with the same throttle body as i have and it made 426rwhp

thats not bad, at the engine numbers? i think it'll probably put down 390-410hp and probably about 415-425tq, thats my guess
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on April 11, 2009, 02:54:47 PM
i talked to the guy who built this motor today, they just dynoed one made 405rwhp and 450tq w/ stock tb. and about a month ago dyno'd one with the same throttle body as i have and it made 426rwhp

thats not bad, at the engine numbers? i think it'll probably put down 390-410hp and probably about 415-425tq, thats my guess

those numbers are at the wheels hence "rwhp"

i'd be happy with 400rwhp
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: 88dx on April 11, 2009, 03:43:41 PM
I bet it blows up before it ever hits the Dyno  :yes:
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on April 11, 2009, 04:04:32 PM
I bet it blows up before it ever hits the Dyno  :yes:

wow thats a nice thing to say
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: Cadracer on April 11, 2009, 11:58:33 PM
Nice looking engine you got sitting there. I just got through putting together a 383 but its all balanced up for a manual  trans otherwie i would drop it in my truck and turbo it. Got like 5 sbc marine engines sitting on the stands waiting to be installed in a boat.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on April 13, 2009, 05:41:08 PM
(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dragcityvideos.com%2Fimages%2F96Corvette%2F96Corvette_14.jpg&hash=112c26635f2014b5712a9c09f411019db5a5f528)
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: hotrex on April 13, 2009, 08:38:26 PM
yup, your stil a niggerfag
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: snm95ls on April 13, 2009, 09:20:59 PM
(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dragcityvideos.com%2Fimages%2F96Corvette%2F96Corvette_11.jpg&hash=b18df9d4a0aed41c9eec4868c84c7647f285aa8f)

From my personal experience, you would be better off with a new OEM vented Opti than the MSD nonsense.

Granted at least that looks to be the whole unit, dunno why, as compard to just the new cap and rotor we tried on by buddy's 96 Impala SS.

After dicking with the aftermarket cap and rotor, can't remember whether it was Accel or MSD, for about a month he ended up buying a new AC Delco Opti to finally fix the misfire issues.



Opticrap, 60% of the time it works 100% of the time.

Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: Joseph Davis on April 13, 2009, 09:49:50 PM
Enough jawing.  Johnny, how far along is the reinstall?  When do you expect to have her screaming ?
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on April 13, 2009, 10:56:12 PM

From my personal experience, you would be better off with a new OEM vented Opti than the MSD nonsense.

Granted at least that looks to be the whole unit, dunno why, as compard to just the new cap and rotor we tried on by buddy's 96 Impala SS.

After dicking with the aftermarket cap and rotor, can't remember whether it was Accel or MSD, for about a month he ended up buying a new AC Delco Opti to finally fix the misfire issues.
Opticrap, 60% of the time it works 100% of the time.


the OEM shit is garbage even the vented ones (like mine was) 66k miles and it was already hesitating and stumbling at low rpms.

the MSD are the best opti sparks avail. you do have to get the entire unit not just the cap and rotor. $600 and it'll last a very long time. or you could go for a OEM $400 unit and replace 3 in a month when it rains.

all internet bench racers say the MSD is the way to go.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on April 13, 2009, 11:05:52 PM
Enough jawing.  Johnny, how far along is the reinstall?  When do you expect to have her screaming ?

maybe this weekend. that would be nice. i will need to get it tuned after i get it running but it should still run ok w/o a tune.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: QikEnuF on April 13, 2009, 11:36:25 PM
maybe this weekend. that would be nice. i will need to get it tuned after i get it running but it should still run ok w/o a tune.

Bad ass dude
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: snm95ls on April 14, 2009, 12:20:19 AM
the OEM shit is garbage even the vented ones (like mine was) 66k miles and it was already hesitating and stumbling at low rpms.

the MSD are the best opti sparks avail. you do have to get the entire unit not just the cap and rotor. $600 and it'll last a very long time. or you could go for a OEM $400 unit and replace 3 in a month when it rains.

all internet bench racers say the MSD is the way to go.

Eh, the one we replaced had about 140K on it.  Dunno.

Good luck to ya.  I hope it works out.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: Joseph Davis on April 14, 2009, 01:19:22 PM
You gonna call Mister Leed? He needs to start tuenaring GMz.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: Lowerit on April 14, 2009, 03:35:45 PM
I will be nice and not shit on your build.

Look into Pace setter long tubes for GTO's , I have seen a few guys put those on C4's... Cheap at under $300. uncoated.

Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on April 14, 2009, 04:31:47 PM
I will be nice and not shit on your build.

Look into Pace setter long tubes for GTO's , I have seen a few guys put those on C4's... Cheap at under $300. uncoated.


you are really an expert.   O0

GTO all have genIII small blocks and c4s have genII

the exhaust ports are in different locations, usually a minor inconvenience  :-*
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: Lowerit on April 14, 2009, 09:23:15 PM
U need to swap the flanges... if you wanna spend some real money on long tubes go nuts. I will track down the threads for you. Flanges are cheap. I assume you have a Mig?

Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: BangBusMaster on April 14, 2009, 10:16:28 PM
Id road trip down there to do some big smokey burnouts  O0
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on April 14, 2009, 11:30:05 PM
U need to swap the flanges... if you wanna spend some real money on long tubes go nuts. I will track down the threads for you. Flanges are cheap. I assume you have a Mig?



stfu

there would be more involved than swapping flanges. quit making up shit, stick to what your old man has told you.

GENIII
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GENII
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Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: Joseph Davis on April 14, 2009, 11:34:36 PM
Will it do wheelies?
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on April 15, 2009, 12:17:08 AM
it will do wheelies, but only with shortie headers and when no one is looking
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on April 17, 2009, 09:43:44 PM
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Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on April 18, 2009, 03:32:19 AM
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Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: 88dx on April 18, 2009, 01:28:26 PM
whats taking so long  :P
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: Joseph Davis on April 18, 2009, 04:51:03 PM
He's fitting wheelie bars.   8)
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: crx-ecutioner313 on April 18, 2009, 06:20:09 PM
hell ya cant wait to see pics of it in the car :noel:
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: LS1pwNzJ00 on April 19, 2009, 12:53:26 AM
I applaud you for getting that engine in there.  Its not an easy job.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: Ntrain2k on April 19, 2009, 08:46:04 AM
hell ya cant wait to see pics of it in the car :noel:

Uhhhhh...

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You didn't look up, did you?
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: QikEnuF on April 19, 2009, 08:47:39 AM
Haha. Looks good Johnny
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: junkyard racer on April 19, 2009, 10:50:38 AM
hell ya cant wait to see pics of it in the car :noel:

fuck yeah. me either  :noel:
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: Ntrain2k on April 19, 2009, 12:23:36 PM
hell ya cant wait to see pics of it in the car :noel:

fuck yeah. me either  :noel:

hell ya cant wait to see pics of it in the car :noel:

Uhhhhh...

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You didn't look up, did you?
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on April 20, 2009, 11:44:38 PM
almost done, missing a couple things. and i don't get to work on it much.

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Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: 88dx on April 20, 2009, 11:50:45 PM
A/C still work  :P
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on April 21, 2009, 12:10:28 AM
A/C still work  :P

yea but it'll need recharged :P
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: LS1pwNzJ00 on April 21, 2009, 12:50:55 AM
man that engine bay looks like a cluster fuck.  I'd hate to work on one of those.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: LS1pwNzJ00 on April 21, 2009, 01:14:18 AM
That looks at least 10 times easier to work on than a 300zx...

Yeah probably, and i've dropped a jdm engine into one after the first one blew, then the 2nd had a rocker or some valvetrain shit go out and i said fuck it.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: ratcityrex on April 21, 2009, 01:19:16 PM
What year is your chevy?
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on April 21, 2009, 01:22:36 PM
96
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on April 22, 2009, 02:14:53 AM
would've had it running tonight but they gave me the wrong crank nose and the crank pulley doesn't line up with the accessories  ::)
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on April 23, 2009, 01:34:49 AM
getting close. i shimmed out the accessory bracket so it would line up. PITA

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Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on April 24, 2009, 02:34:56 AM
would've started it tonight but the damn battery was dead and i couldn't get a good jump.

so its on the batt charger. will start tomorrow! ;)

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Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: LS1pwNzJ00 on April 24, 2009, 04:21:56 AM
When is it hitting the dyno.  We need to have a thread of guess the HP number and the winner wins something.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: Joseph Davis on April 24, 2009, 10:48:14 AM
This thing needs a 200 shot of giggle gas, sir, and a decent collection of videos.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on April 24, 2009, 12:05:25 PM
When is it hitting the dyno.  We need to have a thread of guess the HP number and the winner wins something.

need to break it in a little bit, then have it tuned
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: crxvtec91 on April 25, 2009, 01:54:36 PM
Only good way to brake in a motor is to run it hard!
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: BoostedSchemes on April 25, 2009, 03:10:07 PM
i took mah chevy to dah levy but dah johnny was drah
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on April 26, 2009, 01:57:49 AM
the digi cam doesn't pick up sound well but you get the idea

96 Corvette 383 LT1
(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dragcityvideos.com%2Fimages%2Fmoviereelside.jpg&hash=eea0edc5a14bf37cfce6dadbd8a7044e306569b0)(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dragcityvideos.com%2FVideos%2FStreet%2FF7191ADD-DBDF-81C1-145F-4CA412816F3D.jpg&hash=3530e97c4e76122c6eebd40a0eedfc4c3c4b61ff)(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dragcityvideos.com%2Fimages%2Fmoviereelside.jpg&hash=eea0edc5a14bf37cfce6dadbd8a7044e306569b0) (http://www.dragcityvideos.com/Video/96+Corvette+383+LT1+first+start.php?p=video&t=true&pvid=F7191ADD-DBDF-81C1-145F-4CA412816F3D)
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: LS1pwNzJ00 on April 26, 2009, 04:47:18 AM
dyno time beeyatch.  I wanna see if it'll make more power than me or as much as i guessed.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: Joseph Davis on April 26, 2009, 08:42:06 AM
Proceed faster, Johnny.  You owe us all sweet videos of wheelies and barrel rolls before we die of the swine flu.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: Teg2boo on April 26, 2009, 10:31:27 AM
Sounds great! I was hoping a full throttle sound at the end, but no  >:(
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on April 27, 2009, 01:44:38 AM
need to get some more miles on it and wait a few and get it dyno tuned.

it lays a nice patch though... i did it on accident ;)

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Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on May 13, 2009, 02:00:41 AM
got it tuned...

runs pretty good.

got the fans to turn on sooner
up'd the line pressure in the trans for better/harder shifts
turned off the EGR/AIR/emissions/secondary o2/etc...
got the speedo calibrated for the different rear end gears

put a walbro 255 in it...

i need to check the base timing, its just eye'd right now.

lays a nice patch 1st and 2nd. the rear end gears are lower than stock but they still blow ass. its about 90-100 top of 2nd gear.

gunna put a +2 quart trans pan on it, and a tranny cooler in front to try and make this trans last.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: turbob16hatch on May 13, 2009, 03:09:06 AM
where are the vids? ;D
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: Joseph Davis on May 13, 2009, 08:35:49 AM
Where are the wheelies?
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: 97Econobox on May 13, 2009, 09:38:55 AM
Dont forget teh barrel rolls, Its not gonna be cool unless it contains both.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: Jorsher on May 13, 2009, 10:10:04 AM
Prove everyone wrong with the dyno sheeeets.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: snm95ls on May 13, 2009, 11:44:35 AM
got it tuned...

runs pretty good.

got the fans to turn on sooner
up'd the line pressure in the trans for better/harder shifts
turned off the EGR/AIR/emissions/secondary o2/etc...
got the speedo calibrated for the different rear end gears

put a walbro 255 in it...

i need to check the base timing, its just eye'd right now.

lays a nice patch 1st and 2nd. the rear end gears are lower than stock but they still blow ass. its about 90-100 top of 2nd gear.

gunna put a +2 quart trans pan on it, and a tranny cooler in front to try and make this trans last.

So you had it tuned without checking the base timing?

What does the beast put down?

EDIT:  Just how exactly do you eyeball the base timing on an LTx?  Pretty sure you cannot alter base timing unless you do it via software...
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on May 13, 2009, 12:08:58 PM
i didn't get it dyno tune i got a pcm4less ecm.

you can adjust the base timing with a LT1 <- this is a lt1... on the msd optispark. you can go +7 or -7 on the initial timing.

so i don't have dyno numbers my ass dyno hasn't been used in a while but i'm a little worried about not hitting the 400rwhp mark. but we'll see ;)

it does run good and pulls hard

Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: snm95ls on May 13, 2009, 12:11:41 PM
i didn't get it dyno tune i got a pcm4less ecm.

you can adjust the base timing with a LT1 <- this is a lt1... on the msd optispark. you can go +7 or -7 on the initial timing.

so i don't have dyno numbers my ass dyno hasn't been used in a while but i'm a little worried about not hitting the 400rwhp mark. but we'll see ;)

it does run good and pulls hard



Interesting little factoid there.

Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: QikEnuF on May 13, 2009, 03:07:53 PM
Nice job getting it all buttoned up. How does the C4 handle?
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: bigdaddyvtec on May 13, 2009, 03:17:53 PM
Prove everyone wrong with the dyno sheeeets.

So you ARE bringing this fucker to the meet right????
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on May 13, 2009, 03:55:48 PM
yea i'm bringing it to the dyno as long as leeann has the baby before then. if she hasn't yet then no i can't go.

Nice job getting it all buttoned up. How does the C4 handle?

its my understanding that they handle pretty well. mine handles like shit because the front tires are bald, they need to replaced :P
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: bigdaddyvtec on May 13, 2009, 04:04:24 PM
Cool
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: LS1pwNzJ00 on May 13, 2009, 04:10:47 PM
what does the ass dyno say, and how many millions of MPG does it get? 2 1/2 million? or a full 3?
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on May 13, 2009, 04:53:59 PM
what does the ass dyno say, and how many millions of MPG does it get? 2 1/2 million? or a full 3?

i got 25 combined with half highway and half country roads

25-30 on the highway
about 10 in town
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: hotrex on May 13, 2009, 06:16:59 PM
better factoid is that johnny dries off in the morning with atowel that contains 3 previous mornings worth of dried vaginal secretions on it.   

its always nice to share......  :noel:
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: Corey on May 14, 2009, 01:18:58 AM
just got done rebuilding an lt1 that will actually make 400whp and its all stock  :P

now we just gotta put it back in

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Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on May 14, 2009, 01:59:00 AM
looks like a stock optispark good luck with that.

what the specs?
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: LS1pwNzJ00 on May 14, 2009, 02:09:40 AM
LTpoop

LSwin
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: Corey on May 14, 2009, 02:21:06 AM
looks like a stock optispark good luck with that.

what the specs?

stock motor reringed fresh heads arp's and a t70. it already made mid 300's before #1 piston ringlands cracked.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on May 14, 2009, 02:45:38 AM
cool what car is it going in
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: Corey on May 14, 2009, 03:05:21 AM
s10
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: junkyard racer on May 14, 2009, 06:33:38 AM
cool what car is it going in

car was the key word in that excerpt.  :P
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: dvst8r on May 30, 2009, 03:58:05 PM
randome strike just put down 419hp 476 tq out of the vet
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: QikEnuF on May 30, 2009, 07:18:25 PM
Damn. Nice fuckin job Johnny
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: BoostedSchemes on May 30, 2009, 08:14:31 PM
i need nos
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on May 30, 2009, 09:54:10 PM
 8)

if i know something its v8s i guess what his face's dads LT1s with GTO manifolds make more  8)
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on May 30, 2009, 10:02:28 PM
fast68: WHERES MY MONEY BITCH  8)
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on May 30, 2009, 10:11:11 PM
I'm sorry, but there is no chance in hell that thing is gonna make 450-475 hp.  218@.050 is fucking baby as is the .490 lift

The only thing its got going for it is 11:1 compression , but don't detonate that bitch or those plastic pistons are done.

Good on you for building a V8, bad on you for dreaming its going to make that much power. You'll be lucky to see a cunt hair over 1 hp / 1 CI and reach the 400 mark, and like i said, that would be lucky.

bench racer. where is my money
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on May 30, 2009, 10:12:04 PM
I'm sorry, but there is no chance in hell that thing is gonna make 450-475 hp.  218@.050 is fucking baby as is the .490 lift

The only thing its got going for it is 11:1 compression , but don't detonate that bitch or those plastic pistons are done.

Good on you for building a V8, bad on you for dreaming its going to make that much power. You'll be lucky to see a cunt hair over 1 hp / 1 CI and reach the 400 mark, and like i said, that would be lucky.

Glad someone said this. I was like  :?: when I saw the numbers he threw out.

 8)
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on May 30, 2009, 10:12:54 PM
PS swap the cam , you aren't at 400hp with that setup.. not trying to argue or compare E-Dicks.. I think you are 375ish ... Cam would really make that Bitch come alive.

how is your dad doing
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on May 30, 2009, 10:13:48 PM
johnny, bring the car to the dyno day. this will eliminate all the uncertainty.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on May 30, 2009, 10:14:01 PM
johnny, bring the car to the dyno day. this will eliminate all the uncertainty.

i'm going to. but it won't change anything. shit talking know nothings will always shit talk.

Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on May 30, 2009, 10:14:57 PM
I think the bottom line here is that you're an idiot, looking forward to seeing it not make the power numbers you have dreamed up.

Thanks for playing ...

GIMME MY MONEY MAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNN
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on May 30, 2009, 10:16:09 PM
So I wasn't sure i was going to the HMT dyno day, but I am going to propose a wager.  You say this pile of shit is going to make between 350 and 375 RWHP. We'll call it 362.5  

If it makes 362.6 or greater I'll pay the $30 for your turn on the rollers. If it makes 362.4 or less, or your ass doesn't show up with the car, but a bucket full of excuses, you pay $30 for my dyno time.

Being its a Dynojet, it should make it that much easier for you.

Time for you to man up.  :-*


money money money money....money..... MONEY
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: LS1pwNzJ00 on May 30, 2009, 10:33:04 PM
so post up the dyno sheet i wanna see
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on May 30, 2009, 10:35:18 PM
wait for the video sucka
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: Joseph Davis on May 30, 2009, 10:35:47 PM
Calm the fuck down, dude.  Fat68 can be annoying, but give hima chance to LOG IN before making a huge scene about getting paid.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on May 30, 2009, 10:37:01 PM
totally man, everyone is complaining that the dyno is reading 60hp low so i really made 500+rwhp LMAO ;)

i think some people might have dyno'd on a generous dyno previously
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on May 30, 2009, 10:40:53 PM
mother fucker laid rubber on the dyno in 2nd ;)

hope the vid captured it well
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: Kenny Rogers on May 30, 2009, 11:01:42 PM
Haha, I was pretty impressed.  3rd gear is much better to dyno than 2nd gear  :P
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: Random Hero on May 31, 2009, 02:34:23 AM
Good work rs! nice to see your tired ass roll up here.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: LS1pwNzJ00 on May 31, 2009, 04:02:10 AM
so what the f uck did it make, just post it up already damn.  440hp?
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: Random Hero on May 31, 2009, 04:57:30 AM
its in the pics on the aftermath thread.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: Perfek360 on May 31, 2009, 11:31:19 PM
my buddy's dad has a 383 stroker in a vega drag car...car is fuckin fast  :yes:
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on June 16, 2009, 01:00:01 AM
Where is my money BITCH
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on June 16, 2009, 01:52:05 AM
fast68 yea right, slow gay 340 boat anchor is more like it

fucking loser, and the rest of you haters too

where is my money loser
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: LS1pwNzJ00 on June 16, 2009, 04:49:21 AM
I didn't hate, your numbers are pretty impresssive, take it to te track and see how she performs.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: 97Econobox on June 16, 2009, 06:31:56 AM
he made a claim, got called out repeatedly and then backed it up.  I think everyone would gloat to a degree, hes gotta point.

sweet vette I think id also like ot see what it pulls in the 1/4th
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: Joseph Davis on June 16, 2009, 10:35:54 AM
Fat68 called me last night in tears, he can barely afford to feed himself seventeen value meals a day at Professor McNugget's house of ill repute.  If he pays you that means he has to skip a lunch.   THE HORROR.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on June 16, 2009, 01:30:15 PM
seriously. this guy makes a bet then reneges on it. what kinda of fucking pussy little faggot does this.

just another KNOW NOTHING know-it-all.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: ratcityrex on June 17, 2009, 05:23:01 PM
I will say random-strikes vett sounded very good. I would like to see what it would do at the track. Get that fender ziptied johny and take that shit to the track.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on June 17, 2009, 06:32:25 PM
yea i have a couple things to do. been busy as you could imagine
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: ratcityrex on June 17, 2009, 06:35:44 PM
I got ya. Newborn = NO TIME FOR SELF!!
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: Suckah on June 17, 2009, 06:59:44 PM
newborn = no time for mom  :P


he could go to the track any time he wants, has been spending his free time on the husaberg ("loserberg") though
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: Perfek360 on June 18, 2009, 11:16:10 PM
newborn = no time for mom  :P


he could go to the track any time he wants, has been spending his free time on the husaberg ("loserberg") though

how the new baby? i've been meaning to give johny a txt but my phone got shut off due to no work  :-\. should be up and going tomorrow, new job + first pay check = bills paid :yes:
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: Suckah on June 19, 2009, 02:25:57 AM

how the new baby? i've been meaning to give johny a txt but my phone got shut off due to no work  :-\. should be up and going tomorrow, new job + first pay check = bills paid :yes:

He's been really great, he never really gets upset but if he does give him some boob and problem solved.

Congrats on the job now you need to get another bike so you can go riding with Johnny sometime!
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: Perfek360 on June 21, 2009, 04:11:08 PM

how the new baby? i've been meaning to give johny a txt but my phone got shut off due to no work  :-\. should be up and going tomorrow, new job + first pay check = bills paid :yes:

He's been really great, he never really gets upset but if he does give him some boob and problem solved.

Congrats on the job now you need to get another bike so you can go riding with Johnny sometime!

lol....yeah, i hate the job, the owner is a queer...literaly and he gets his fuckin thong stuck so far up his ass crack that he's a fuckin douche everyday. i almost got fired for watering plants the "wrong" way  :?: . everyday i'm either about ready to get fired over something fuckin completely stupid or i am about ready to walk off and tell the faggot to get fucked.  the fucker throws female bitch fits over the dumbest things. needless to say i'm looking for a new job only after working for a month!  :yes:
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on June 21, 2009, 04:37:19 PM
watch your corn hole bud
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: bigdaddyvtec on June 21, 2009, 11:11:41 PM
FUCKIN A

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Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: patsmx5 on June 21, 2009, 11:47:44 PM

i'm diggin all this v8 and old tech talk but there is much wrong in this thread. 

`basically cam is too small to ever ever ever make 475 crank.  numbers and predictions aside should be a fun little torquey motor for a stock cruiser and will be fine, just wondering what the goal was here?

` you seem to have a good set of heads on there and what i'd think is the right intake for that combo, don't know why the high compression but ok cool more comp can't hurt power esp with alum heads.  the big stroke is much more forgiving in terms of large cams so personally i'd put somethign much bigger in there even for a DD ride. 

`a carb never tunes itself not even a little bit  shame on you for believing this.  air bleeds simply affect the 'signal' the carb sees.

` mopars are great, and the 340 is a legendary motor, ever held a stock 340 rod in your hand? 

`power lost measured in % is an industry standard has been for a reallly long time

I think the bottom line here is that you're an idiot, looking forward to seeing it not make the power numbers you have dreamed up.

Thanks for playing ...

I concur


another expert.

did you see that i said tune themselves, which is dull down meaning it will work run right on lots of different motors. thanks for playing.

340 is legendary for being a turd boat anchor

power "loss" measured in % ONLY APPLIES TO COMPLETELY STOCK CARS.

drivetrain's eat horsepower PERIOD. it doesn't change depending on how much power you make.

another know it all

i







nah its prob around 20%

Didn't you say 2 pages ago that no one who is intelligent uses driveline loss %'s???

Holy fuckin contradiction.


U truly are the coolest guy ever.


you're too stupid to understand. you can't use a blanket %  because a 300hp engine would take 60hp to spin the drive train and a 600hp engine would take 120hp to spin the drivetrain. thats idiotic if you think because the engine makes more power its going to rob twice as much to spin the same shit. that is moronic.

you can say something takes a % of crank hp to spin the drive train, but you can't use a flat percent.

lets say it takes about 60hp to spin an auto trans and the rest...

if you have a 300hp engine it'll take 20%
if you have a 600hp engine it'll take 10%

no one in their right mind would believe that the same drive train would rob 60hp from a 300hp motor and 120hp from a 600hp motor

Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on June 22, 2009, 12:41:42 AM
Pat is a lalalalaa... Loser :)
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: 88dx on June 22, 2009, 12:49:26 AM
Pat is a lalalalaa... Loser :)
mabey he should buy a "loserberg" then haha :P
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: colt45 on June 22, 2009, 12:59:37 AM
johnny what do you do for work?
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: Joseph Davis on June 22, 2009, 01:10:01 AM
johnny slaps the bitches, pimps the hoes.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: Perfek360 on June 22, 2009, 02:19:38 AM
watch your corn hole bud

yeah, your telling me....now if i drop something in front of him i gotta wait for the fag to leave before i can pick it up

hey johny, i figured out my next car that i want to get. a 73 or older a-body (duster, valiant, dart). the prices seem to fit my budget well. now i just need to find a better job so i can worry about gettin a car and not gettin fired or raped by the homo faggot ass owner that i work for
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on June 22, 2009, 02:29:32 AM
mopar parts are expensive compared to sbc
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on June 22, 2009, 02:38:22 AM
just for a laugh lets read this post again.... aaahahahaha

PUT THAT MOTOR WHERE IT BELONGS PLEASE. IN A TRUCK

My motor is

340 cid
10:1
230/230 @.050 480/480
Performer RPM heads (240 cfm @.500)
Aig gap intake
750 holley DP
1 5/8 - 1 3/4 step headers, 3" Exh. with X pipe to the bumper

and for the numbers ...... 280rwhp @5800 , 280RWTQ @4800 On a mustang dyno, so figure 300 on a DJ.

I have more cam, probably more head flow, surely a less restrictive exhaust. So where do you plan on coming up with this extra 100 WHP?
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on June 22, 2009, 02:39:38 AM
He seems to be unfamiliar with a lot..  Sure has a fuckin boatload of attitude thou.

Funny , you know everything about LT1's and I am the one sitting at GM head office with a garage full of them.

you know all , just ask u.

another comedic post
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: 88dx on June 22, 2009, 02:40:19 AM
How much do dyno #'s mean if its slow at the track  ???
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on June 22, 2009, 02:43:09 AM
I'm not the one making bullshit claims buddy.. I autocross and Track vettes..

How much do dyno #'s mean if its slow at the track  ???

Why are you assuming it will be slow? It will be traction limited but i think i can still put down a decent e/t with all the rubber and decent track prep i think i could keep it from spinning in 2nd
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on June 22, 2009, 02:43:49 AM
I think the bottom line here is that you're an idiot, looking forward to seeing it not make the power numbers you have dreamed up.

Thanks for playing ...

gimme my money faggot
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on June 22, 2009, 02:45:11 AM
`basically cam is too small to ever ever ever make 475 crank.  numbers and predictions aside should be a fun little torquey motor for a stock cruiser and will be fine, just wondering what the goal was here?

I think the bottom line here is that you're an idiot, looking forward to seeing it not make the power numbers you have dreamed up.

Thanks for playing ...

I concur


dumbass
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on June 22, 2009, 02:45:41 AM
typical Chebby guy

OK hot head, i don't have much time to argue with you, but will laugh at you instead. What i do have is first hand experience.

Congrats on your first build princess I hope it works out. 

dumbass
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on June 22, 2009, 02:46:27 AM
So I wasn't sure i was going to the HMT dyno day, but I am going to propose a wager.  You say this pile of shit is going to make between 350 and 375 RWHP. We'll call it 362.5  

If it makes 362.6 or greater I'll pay the $30 for your turn on the rollers. If it makes 362.4 or less, or your ass doesn't show up with the car, but a bucket full of excuses, you pay $30 for my dyno time.

Being its a Dynojet, it should make it that much easier for you.

Time for you to man up.  :-*


WHERE IS MY FUCKING MONEY YOU FAGGOT ASS PUSSY.

this d-bag hasn't logged in since the dyno day
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on June 22, 2009, 02:48:12 AM
the fact you still try to argue down 17 people who obviously have 7 lifetimes more knowledge on this subject than you amazes me.

durr durrrr durrrrrrrrrrrrr
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: 88dx on June 22, 2009, 02:52:42 AM
 ::)
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on June 22, 2009, 03:01:40 AM
1slow68

Last Active:     May 28, 2009, 10:33:02 PM
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on June 22, 2009, 03:06:17 AM
you know whats really funny. i got banned from digitalcorvettes after i posted the dyno...

they were bullshitin about it not making any power too. hilarious that they banned me after i posted the dyno  :P
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: Teg2boo on June 22, 2009, 12:04:21 PM
It's also funny that nobody that talked shit of your build came back in this thread after the dyno day.

Now boost it and make 700hp ;D
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: Joseph Davis on June 22, 2009, 12:17:25 PM
He seems to be unfamiliar with a lot..  Sure has a fuckin boatload of attitude thou.

Funny , you know everything about LT1's and I am the one sitting at GM head financing office and I'm miles away from anyone who knows about building them.

you know all , just ask u.

another comedic post

I fixed it for him, for you.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: Perfek360 on June 22, 2009, 01:06:06 PM
mopar parts are expensive compared to sbc

yeah, thats what i've come to find out.....its either a cheap car with expensive parts or an expensive car with cheaper parts....i guess you just have to look at it like "is the glass half full or half empty"
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: trevor72 on June 22, 2009, 07:04:21 PM
`basically cam is too small to ever ever ever make 475 crank.  numbers and predictions aside should be a fun little torquey motor for a stock cruiser and will be fine, just wondering what the goal was here?

I think the bottom line here is that you're an idiot, looking forward to seeing it not make the power numbers you have dreamed up.

Thanks for playing ...

I concur


dumbass

You sure yell alot, must like attention or something ???

Well I have to say I'm shocked.  You definitely have a good little combo figured out there RS. I stand corrected, but would still love to see the dyno sheet. My bet is this little torque monster made all its power all in under a ~5500rpm roof.  How big is the intake port?  seems like a small cross section high velocity type of port to make the near 500ft# and 415hp.  I still think there is a solid 80 horse or more to be had by a cam upgrade :P
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on June 22, 2009, 07:21:38 PM
 8)

yea i'm sure there would be a more hp with a bigger cam lol  >:(

it has more revs in it... it made that power at about 5800rpm with a redline at 6, but the limiter is at 6 built into the ECM so i'd had to get it reprogrammed for a higher redline.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on September 28, 2009, 01:09:47 AM
So I wasn't sure i was going to the HMT dyno day, but I am going to propose a wager.  You say this pile of shit is going to make between 350 and 375 RWHP. We'll call it 362.5  

If it makes 362.6 or greater I'll pay the $30 for your turn on the rollers. If it makes 362.4 or less, or your ass doesn't show up with the car, but a bucket full of excuses, you pay $30 for my dyno time.

Being its a Dynojet, it should make it that much easier for you.

Time for you to man up.  :-*

where is my money
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: Joseph Davis on September 28, 2009, 01:12:39 AM
Johnny has a point.  Fat68, pay up.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: j.h.christ on September 28, 2009, 01:24:24 AM
he has one week before i start the call-a-thon
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: Joseph Davis on September 28, 2009, 01:29:25 AM
Why wait?  He's in bed right now, let's do it.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: j.h.christ on September 28, 2009, 01:32:43 AM
because i'm sensitive to people and their needs. perhaps he's overlooked it.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: Joseph Davis on September 28, 2009, 01:34:08 AM
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Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: Joseph Davis on September 28, 2009, 01:37:29 AM
Okay, fine, a week.

I just emailed him so he knows what's up.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: 97Econobox on September 28, 2009, 09:02:10 AM
3 months later and he needs a week?  fuck em call his ass up lol.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: Robb on September 28, 2009, 09:16:27 AM
3 months later and he needs a week?  fuck em call his ass up lol.

Yes, Henry his ass into paying up.  >:(
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: 97Econobox on September 28, 2009, 09:55:59 AM
3 months later and he needs a week?  fuck em call his ass up lol.

Yes, Henry his ass into paying up.  >:(

One of these days im gonna get "IM NOT HENRY GODDAMNIT" as a custom title thingy
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: Joseph Davis on September 28, 2009, 10:34:14 AM
3 months later and he needs a week?  fuck em call his ass up lol.

Yes, Henry his ass into paying up.  >:(

One of these days im gonna get "IM NOT HENRY GODDAMNIT" as a custom title thingy

Quit henrying us, Henry.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: 1Fast68 on September 28, 2009, 08:29:45 PM
Sorry for the delay. Been busy, Graduated college, Winning Track championships, trying to find a job, etc etc.

Johnny, send me your address and I'll get the money headed your way.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: Conceptz-X on September 28, 2009, 09:45:16 PM
bout fucking time, Johnny has been going broke with everybody taking his government handouts.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on September 28, 2009, 11:08:08 PM
paypal
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: 88dx on September 28, 2009, 11:15:52 PM
paypal johnnybliss_15@hotmail.com
Make sure to send whatever money you get to me as a tax for being annoying, Kthnks
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: Joseph Davis on September 28, 2009, 11:28:46 PM
Johnny, send me your address and I'll get the money headed your way.

Fucking gentleman and scholar right there.   :noel:
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: j.h.christ on September 28, 2009, 11:32:09 PM
Johnny, send me your address and I'll get the money headed your way.

Fucking gentleman and scholar right there.   :noel:

he's from ellensburg, which is as close to down home good ol' boy you'll find up here. i knew he'd come through.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: Corey on September 29, 2009, 03:01:01 AM
ill make sure to call the irs to make sure they come take half that money, johhny.

the rest of us are struggling.

do you have any preference on which caliber gun they hold to your head while they take it?
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on September 29, 2009, 12:12:43 PM
i wouldn't worry about it, he hasn't paid yet anyways
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: 97Econobox on September 29, 2009, 01:34:44 PM
jeeze man might be workin or something.

have you put a turbo on the vette yet? Sir mix-a-lot says you have to.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on September 29, 2009, 01:35:21 PM
i put a turbo on your moms ass but she over spun it
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: 1Fast68 on September 29, 2009, 02:30:25 PM
Sorry johnny, as much as you might want, you're not even close to being my number one priority, so I had to things to do, like your mother, before i sent the payment over. You should have it now.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on September 29, 2009, 02:46:28 PM
thanks sharyl, i have this old ram charger that is way too fast, so i'm going to yank the 318... can you build me a nice 340 for it?
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: ratcityrex on April 11, 2014, 05:48:33 PM
Bump....... Cause this whole thread is comical. Everyone beating Johny down and he proved it and didnt rag on everyone except 1fast68
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on April 11, 2014, 07:24:55 PM
I don't remember him ever paying either lol.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on April 11, 2014, 11:17:51 PM
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Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: ratcityrex on April 13, 2014, 10:31:53 PM
What were you using to tune that?
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on April 13, 2014, 11:51:32 PM
not sure it was a pcm4less ECM
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: ratcityrex on April 14, 2014, 11:42:14 AM
not sure it was a pcm4less ECM

I thought you had some kinda controller in the car that you were fucking with on the dyno.
Title: Re: 383 sTrOkEr
Post by: random-strike on April 14, 2014, 12:38:55 PM
Nah it was just a standard tune for 383 lt1