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Title: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: bigdaddyvtec on November 12, 2009, 05:08:26 AM
http://honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2679300 (http://honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2679300)
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Urban Indian on November 12, 2009, 05:12:09 AM
this is why you dont answer your phone anymore?
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Post by: bigdaddyvtec on November 12, 2009, 05:14:30 AM
got a new phone call again nig  I fail at answering it correctly
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Urban Indian on November 12, 2009, 05:16:01 AM
you could txt back to tell me that you love me and to call again?
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Post by: Corey on November 12, 2009, 05:27:46 AM
its disgusting how bad h-t members nut swing.

its humorous though becaus ehalf of them have no idea what they are looking at they just know its shiny and has bisimoto's name on it. that wastegate setup is fucking retarded.
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Post by: bigdaddyvtec on November 12, 2009, 05:48:42 AM
i saw that,,,,,   iwas going to post somethig about it
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Post by: widebody93 on November 12, 2009, 08:20:15 AM
Yeah he will have the same boost creep issue I have with mine as its also a downward 180 off the collector.... I NEED NEW ONE but no funds.... I'm a broken bitch crawling out of debt to be on a cash only basis..... Good find though Spike
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Post by: 97Econobox on November 12, 2009, 09:39:12 AM
Oh god.  why do some of yall love drama so much lol.
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Post by: Joseph Davis on November 12, 2009, 09:41:09 AM
Yeah he will have the same boost creep issue I have with mine as its also a downward 180 off the collector.... I NEED NEW ONE but no funds.... I'm a broken bitch crawling out of debt to be on a cash only basis..... Good find though Spike


Yet you spend a grand on clothing last weekend?
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Joseph Davis on November 12, 2009, 09:46:55 AM
Forgive my naive nature, but what is LMA?
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: 97Econobox on November 12, 2009, 09:47:14 AM
Picture this though and no offence.  Lets say Your bisi. and you drive retarded fast cars for a living and have a shop with products that have your name stamped on it.

and then one day on the instanets random joe blow with a screen name challenges his cam designs on an open forum over "what hes heard abotu them" and fact is he's probably never seen one let alone Tuned/installed one of em.  Im not sayin hes genius butI think you need more of a legg to stand on to challenge Bisi.

Not tryin to shit on people, just sayin dont do it for the drama.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Joseph Davis on November 12, 2009, 10:07:02 AM
 Im not sayin hes genius butI think you need more of a legg to stand on to challenge Bisi.

Yeah, I wish Joe "Staleard" Blow had kept his trap shut.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: 92CXyD on November 12, 2009, 10:10:53 AM
Saw part of that build in Super Street, and all I can thinks was why spend so much money for the qwest of 700hp.

JFK and others have shown you can make that goal with 1/2 to 1/3 of the cash Bisi spent. :?:

Right now there is people who, after seeing this build, thinking that you can only make that power goal by doing what Bisi does.

SAD  :'(

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Post by: snm95ls on November 12, 2009, 10:23:44 AM
It will be interesting to see how this unfolds.

About the wastegate situation, you nogs did see that both sides of the scroll are taped and then merged back into a single gate, right?  I am not saying it is right, but it seems like something that is being overlooked.

If nothing else, it will prompt Bisi and crew to improve their line of FI products.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Joseph Davis on November 12, 2009, 10:33:50 AM
I'm kind of pissed at myself for thinking this... but he might only get there by not using a wastegate at all.

I've only taken four cars there, but it's a lot of fun.  It's also nice because they always run racegas so if something goes wrong with boost control there are zero repercussions.  Shit just takes it.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Joseph Davis on November 12, 2009, 10:56:11 AM
I'm pretty sure they were 1.2's, I can't speak for Minor Threat but I know danz' cam was.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: 97Econobox on November 12, 2009, 11:07:23 AM
Lulz, dan you're being a girl.  leave teh arguing to someone who has first hand knowledge of this shit.  You dont know anythign abotu the cams other than that Spiker or others have told you.  not too sure why you feel like you can accuse bisi of Dodgeing you issues.  You dont have issues.  You've heard of issues. 

Bisi can probably see tha and doesnt want to engauge in a pissin contest with someone who A)doesnt know what they are talking about and B) hasnt even purchased or used oen of the cams in question.

Im just saying if you are tryin to nail him or somehting then you should let someone else do it.  you're gonna make him look awesome if you cant hold your own court in talking cams with him.

Its fuckign Bisi.  like him or not hes made more cams than you.  I wouldn't be so condecending towards him.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Joseph Davis on November 12, 2009, 11:08:42 AM
I'm pretty sure it's not intentional.  Dude's in the unenviable position of trying to sell parts, and he's going with some textbook cam theory garbage where you're supposed to run a wide LSA low overlap cam for turbo charging because he has no significant real world experience with them.  All that cam theory was carved out on low revving V8s where it's valid because those engines operate on a sightly different premise; they produce torque as opposed to maintain torque and let high rpms spin that torque into horsepower.  More modern V8s that rev out a little, or are built to do so, start liking mild NA cams (or turbo derivatives akin to them) with boost as well.

IDK, maybe it's rude to say but when I saw he'd found the warehouse full of that 10 year old neon day glo china cam 3 bolt gears and started marketing them as his own I could see how this was going to go.  You cannot simultaneously sell high end shit and low grade china garbage under the same brand name without there being some conflict in your business' premise.  There are only so many people who can retail high end balla gear, like Palo does, in a whored out eBay riceboy market.  Further, the oddball SOHC market specialty is super cool... but not a realistic market to make a living off of.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Joseph Davis on November 12, 2009, 11:13:36 AM
And, Henry?  You just put yourself in your place.  Time to heed your own advice.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: 97Econobox on November 12, 2009, 11:16:36 AM
And, Henry?  You just put yourself in your place.  Time to heed your own advice.

Was i too mean or soemthing?  my bad

Whats up with the aribic in your Sig?  are you converting?  does robb know of your plans to Jihad all the rum.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Minor Threat on November 12, 2009, 01:38:23 PM
The Y8 cam he sent us was junk and made way less power all across the board.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Joseph Davis on November 12, 2009, 01:41:51 PM
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[We] saw [the thread], both concluded that [Bisi] is a faggot and that his super cam will really be a crower grind.

I peed my pants a little when I got that.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: onlyflash944 on November 12, 2009, 02:02:58 PM
you guys need to have the same avitar so i know who is who on HT



if he doesn't know what LMAs are, then i wonder how much he actually does on the build.  hell, even how much he works on hondas.  the guy is making cams for hondas for fucks sake
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Robb on November 12, 2009, 02:06:00 PM
if he doesn't know what LMAs are, then i wonder how much he actually does on the build.  hell, even how much he works on hondas.  the guy is making cams for hondas for fucks sake

Yes, its quite funny considering his line of "work" that he is ignorant of this. 
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: d112crzy on November 12, 2009, 04:23:13 PM
Another thread.
http://honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2638348 (http://honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2638348)
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: widebody93 on November 12, 2009, 04:30:13 PM
Yeah he will have the same boost creep issue I have with mine as its also a downward 180 off the collector.... I NEED NEW ONE but no funds.... I'm a broken bitch crawling out of debt to be on a cash only basis..... Good find though Spike


Yet you spend a grand on clothing last weekend?
Cracker needed clothes that fit, tired of having to pull my pants up and shirts that are way too large on me. Like you' be shopping for a wig.  :-*
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: d112crzy on November 12, 2009, 04:34:47 PM
Without reading the thread and just looking at the title I'm far less inclined to go after him on that subject.  He does NA shit well.. but he absolutely refuses to get technical outside of making a parts list. 

He takes everything as bashing instead of an opportunity for constructive criticism.  It's really quite aggravating to keep reading his business bullshit talk.  He can type out whole paragraphs dancing around what you're trying to dig out of him all while he focuses on one tiny little aspect of your question which really has nothing to do with the issue at hand.  PAH!

That's what I hate about him.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: bigdaddyvtec on November 12, 2009, 04:53:34 PM
Yeah he will have the same boost creep issue I have with mine as its also a downward 180 off the collector.... I NEED NEW ONE but no funds.... I'm a broken bitch crawling out of debt to be on a cash only basis..... Good find though Spike


Yet you spend a grand on clothing last weekend?
Cracker needed clothes that fit, tired of having to pull my pants up and shirts that are way too large on me. Like you' be shopping for a wig.  :-*


The AIDS????
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: brine04 on November 12, 2009, 05:27:50 PM
"The guy is not our customer...he initially said it was a level 1.2, then a Bisimoto 2.4, and that he "heard". Oh well."

Exactly what I'm tlaking about.  1) he focuses on the wrong part of what I'm talking about and 2) if I'm a prospective buyer and someone that's interested in the theory of engine mechanics what am I supposed to do... imagine what the cam does?  no, I'm going to ask around about it and "hear" things.
You made yourself look like an idiot. You are talking about things you heard from people who knows when. You didn't know what dyno was used or who tuned it or even what the setup was. You couldn't even remember which cam it was for sure. Get your facts straight and present some evidence instead of hearsay then call him out on his shit products.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: brine04 on November 12, 2009, 05:39:33 PM
Does it really matter which performance turbo cam it was?  Anything that loses power from stock cam is  :?:

And I'm comfortable looking like an idiot really I'm very used to that. 
You never presented any evidence of it losing power. You are just some dickfuck on the internet claiming that your inbred sister's 5th husband's kid's baby daddy lost power with it on his 88 crx hf with a 14b on a d15b2 running on moonshine doing rippers on the trailerparks 55gal drum water dyno.

But continue to hound him about it for my entertainment value. You will obviously receive bonus points if you are banned from HT.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Joseph Davis on November 12, 2009, 05:47:41 PM
You were told early on to shut the fuck up, Dullard.
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Post by: Joseph Davis on November 12, 2009, 05:53:41 PM
No, you make a very clearcut situation where I can make valid points and offer stern but constructive criticism into one where it's muddy water and a shitfight with no clear resolution.  I haven't even checked that thread since I posted and I know how it's gone down.  Thanks.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Joseph Davis on November 12, 2009, 08:46:39 PM
Basically you got the thread you wanted?
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Post by: 97Econobox on November 12, 2009, 08:50:58 PM
 :mexi:

see now any point you had is irrelevant.  they all think your the typical HMT nut swinger.  Got all the answers just none of the experience to prove it.

When its Bisi its funny.  But if the shoe were on the other foot and some kid was tryin to tell JD how much timing to run on a D casue his friends built 2 of em you would shred him.
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Post by: snm95ls on November 12, 2009, 09:02:08 PM
The test rid in the oil test that you speak of is not incredibly difficult to replicate.

 ;)
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Post by: 92CXyD on November 12, 2009, 09:42:23 PM
Bisi 3.6 cam specs. are up.

Lift:
Int: 0.479"
Exh: 0.459"

Duration at .050"
Int: 0.247"
Ext: 0.233"

Advertised Duration:
Int: 0.269"
Ext: 0.252"
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: snm95ls on November 12, 2009, 09:50:26 PM
Bisi 3.6 cam specs. are up.

Lift:
Int: 0.479"
Exh: 0.459"

Duration at .050"
Int: 0.247"
Ext: 0.233"

Advertised Duration:
Int: 0.269"
Ext: 0.252"

Why are the duration numbers listed in inches?

That makes absofuckinglutely no sense.

Seems pretty somewhat tame to me.  What lift number are they using for advertised duration because that is one  hell of an aggressive ramp if it is at 0.002" lift ersumshit.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: 92CXyD on November 12, 2009, 09:52:49 PM
 I do not know this is all that is posted in the H-T thread.
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Post by: danz on November 12, 2009, 10:12:10 PM
fuck that thread is pissing me off.   so many nut swingers.

i want bisi to do well, dont doubt that... but all the stupid fucks who think he is god are what piss me off.




just found out today bisimoto wont warranty my cam because its outside of a 30 day time frame.

what the fuck is that fucking bullshit?  lol  maybe thats why its pissing me off.... 

Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: danz on November 12, 2009, 10:21:12 PM
and the fuck fact i put so much work into my setup (ok not that much work, but it felt like it since i had to do just about everything twice) and the dude has the nerve to claim his cams only make less power when stupid fucks dont set their valve lash.

fuck  :-[
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Ntrain2k on November 12, 2009, 10:49:33 PM
fuck that thread is pissing me off.   so many nut swingers.

just found out today bisimoto wont warranty my cam because its outside of a 30 day time frame.

what the fuck is that fucking bullshit?  lol  maybe thats why its pissing me off.... 


I'd post that shit in the thread. Since he has posted so much about how much he takes care of his customers.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Minor Threat on November 13, 2009, 01:12:43 AM
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[We] saw [the thread], both concluded that [Bisi] is a faggot and that his super cam will really be a crower grind.
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Post by: Corey on November 13, 2009, 05:26:11 AM
Yeah... that valve lash shit boggles me.  So what he was saying they had the lash too tight, effectively making the engine have shit compression because the valves stay open.  Wouldn't you think someone building an engine for any kind of horsepower would have checked some shit like that?  Or am I misunderstanding what he meant by lash? 

He claims to bend over backwards for his customers but you say he won't warranty past 30 days?

if his cams are regrinds, hes probably claiming people are just dropping them in the head without tightening the lash.
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Post by: widebody93 on November 13, 2009, 08:08:21 AM
Yeah he will have the same boost creep issue I have with mine as its also a downward 180 off the collector.... I NEED NEW ONE but no funds.... I'm a broken bitch crawling out of debt to be on a cash only basis..... Good find though Spike


Yet you spend a grand on clothing last weekend?
Cracker needed clothes that fit, tired of having to pull my pants up and shirts that are way too large on me. Like you' be shopping for a wig.  :-*


The AIDS????
No faggot, I'm now back to 153 pounds and cut, no soda, beef, or fast food for 6 months does that especially while working out and running, NOT TO MENTION the ICE water every mornin  :P
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Post by: Urban Indian on November 13, 2009, 08:18:44 AM
yup.

Its the ice water
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Post by: widebody93 on November 13, 2009, 08:42:46 AM
yup.

Its the ice water
Its definately not canadian water  :o
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Post by: widebody93 on November 13, 2009, 08:46:17 AM
yup.

Its the rice intercooler  :o
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Post by: bigdaddyvtec on November 13, 2009, 09:18:05 AM
yup.

Its the gay blue dash  :o
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: widebody93 on November 13, 2009, 09:25:29 AM
yup.

Its the fat fuck driving a 4 door :o
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: bigdaddyvtec on November 13, 2009, 09:26:41 AM
yup.

Its the fat fuck driving a 4 door :o

You have not deliversd here yet son.....  Not in the slightest.


HAHAHHAHAH
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: 92CXyD on November 13, 2009, 05:39:56 PM
Bisi just post a new post.
And the first thing I notice was a lt. blue dash. ;D

Widebody93 I think I found you a buddy. :yes:
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Post by: trevor72 on November 13, 2009, 06:22:41 PM
cool coil on plug. 
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Post by: 92CXyD on November 13, 2009, 07:07:39 PM
cool post on pg 6

yeah I just read that testimonial from another dissatisfied customer. ;D
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Post by: danz on November 13, 2009, 09:43:20 PM
ok i posted in the thread it was eating me up inside.

i kinda feel like a dick smacker for being nice in his d-series.org thread but calling him out on HT but i guess thats how it goes sometimes.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: d112crzy on November 13, 2009, 09:55:47 PM
Its time people found out the truth about Bisi's turbo cams.
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Post by: danz on November 13, 2009, 10:17:32 PM
hopefully he improves his product.

its always nice to have a bigger selection of parts that actually work well :)
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Post by: d112crzy on November 13, 2009, 10:38:10 PM
Nut swingers will be nut swingers. And if it's not something that is directly positive, it is called "hating". It's the way of the internets.

It is definitely nice having a some selection of F parts now.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: danz on November 13, 2009, 10:39:23 PM
hes a decent person and i get a good vibe from him, but his cam really blew.

what does he expect shipping out cams based on theory only?  (aka mine).

he should be chasing ME down for reviews on it since its his business at stake.
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Post by: d112crzy on November 13, 2009, 10:47:42 PM
Another thing that bugs me about his business are his new helpers. Robert is a fucking idiot. He goes around the internet(mostly cb7tuner) and gives advice. Not only has this nigger not ever built anything, but he was hired as a fucking sales rep, not an engineer.

I asked him a few questions once about wanting to buy a cam for an f22a, then replied by asking me if it was the one with vtec. SRSLY WTF. I raped him an asshole, then told Bisi about it.

The 2nd time he's pissed me off is that he goes off saying that there is no possible way to make 200whp on an 11:1 f22a. Little does he know that 200whp has been had on 10.5:1 and on a mustang dyno to boot.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Joseph Davis on November 14, 2009, 12:27:55 AM
I love everyone in this thread, except for Staleard.  You guys make me proud.
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Post by: ratcityrex on November 14, 2009, 03:18:32 AM
If he thinks hes gona make 700hp on pump hes just out of his mind......lol What a joke.
 I dont think his clutch is gona hold shit eather....lol look at this
(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm3.static.flickr.com%2F2540%2F4101471344_569b5ac10f_b.jpg&hash=1db3dbc0d007859ec37f69ac6b8892d433c3bb64)
(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm3.static.flickr.com%2F2562%2F4101419024_5f830bd1f4_b.jpg&hash=65b4eab4e30cddbf9154d933db1d693b6720ddfa)
(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm3.static.flickr.com%2F2645%2F4101426364_00399499ff_b.jpg&hash=03fbf3b22565f3c2bcac262636656d4e279d668a)


chickity china the chinese chicken!!!
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Post by: hatchbox90 on November 14, 2009, 11:21:37 AM
Anybody notice that his harness for the car has everything labeled? as if they weren't labeled he would have everything ass backwards and the car wouldnt run for shit
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Post by: crttaz on November 14, 2009, 11:36:23 AM
That Ryans handywork........of RyWire
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Post by: d112crzy on November 14, 2009, 11:40:28 AM
That Ryans handywork........of RyWire

lol...yeah....It's a standard thing to do.

Anyways, in his recent posts, he's talking about me. I purchased a cam and spring setup from him hoping to use it on a friends build(he payed, just used my online discount since he doesn't come on forums). He also thinks I've either made multiple accounts to "bash" him, or have recruited people to blindly "bash" him.

I was actually looking forward to his cam. :'(

edit**

Or at least I thought he was talking about me. Some other guy seems to think Bisi's talking about him too.
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Post by: 92CXyD on November 14, 2009, 12:12:08 PM
Damn D112crzy, reading your posts on H-T is cracking me up.

I like how Bisi thinks your one guy with many accounts as appose to many guys with individual accounts.

That clutch he sells look just like XTD clutch off of egay but marked up 150%.
If it is the same the clutch will be toast when Bisi starts pushing his car on the track.
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Post by: d112crzy on November 14, 2009, 12:19:49 PM
No, that clutch is good. Action Clutch is good stuff.
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Post by: Joseph Davis on November 14, 2009, 12:23:48 PM
Action Clutch is decent no-frills clutch.  3000lb pressure plates kinda suck though.  I look at them as cavemen clutches... very crude, very strong, they get the job done.

I really like LSD or Comp clutches... they grab at high power with easy pedal effort.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: danz on November 14, 2009, 03:39:51 PM
my comp clutch is pretty stiff but im running a cable tranny so that might have something to do with it.

i really notice how stiff it is when i drive my beater then drive the turbo hatch.  pretty crazy difference.

cant wait to use it again.  heh fuckin winter
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Post by: HiProfile on November 14, 2009, 06:54:42 PM
I've never heard anyone with an action every complain about it blowing up or slipping - unless they get an organic single-diaphragm for a 500lb/ft monster. They are fairly cheap. Regardless of clutch, he seriously has his work cut out for him. D16 and pump gas. I could see it with spray, but with just meth (saw his bottle) it will be a task.


I saw all the WA locations too (saw over there first), and didn't even have to see JD's name to guess. I can see how he thought it was one person though. (https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.realhomemadeturbo.com%2Fforum%2FSmileys%2Fclassic%2Frolleyes.gif&hash=5805137b67db00abde932177bc58b11cc93be8c2)

I agree that he apparently had no clue about turbo cams, but hopefully he's taken the hint from b-series people. Around here it's either Skunk2 S2's or nothing for turbo, which obviously weren't designed as turbo cams in the beginning. Maybe that "3.6" is just his NA cam with a tad less overlap and modified lobe shapes (ramps).
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Post by: hatchbox90 on November 15, 2009, 12:12:23 PM
my posts got deleted :(
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Post by: turbob16hatch on November 15, 2009, 01:04:22 PM
My posts were deleted i guess, but i don't think i was out of line at all, i simple explain a few things which some agreed with me on.

 :?:
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Post by: brine04 on November 15, 2009, 01:40:04 PM
I fucking hate that site, any independent thought is considered "hating," which is stupid term coined by white faggots that wish they were niggers, you either ride the bandwagon or get flamed.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: ryan89crx on November 15, 2009, 02:08:58 PM
My posts were deleted i guess, but i don't think i was out of line at all, i simple explain a few things which some agreed with me on.

 :?:
its HT, if you say anything other than positive about a sponsor you either get banned or your posts deleted
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Post by: Joseph Davis on November 15, 2009, 03:13:37 PM
Ryan is correct.  I'm surprised any dissention from the party line was allowed to exist for even a half day - I guess IB doesn't pay George enough to keep on that shit?
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Post by: Ntrain2k on November 15, 2009, 04:45:15 PM
Quote
It's all the white trash from the site RealHomemadeTurbo dot com It's basically a bunch of white trash kids that either live with mom and dad or couch hop. If you shit isn't flux core welded and using a turbo with a broken compressor wheel from the junkyard your not cool on that site.
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Post by: 92CXyD on November 15, 2009, 05:10:21 PM
From H-t:
Quote 0554:

It's all the white trash from the site RealHomemadeTurbo dot com It's basically a bunch of white trash kids that either live with mom and dad or couch hop. If you shit isn't flux core welded and using a turbo with a broken compressor wheel from the junkyard your not cool on that site.

Wow I guess we are trash, who knew?
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Post by: turbob16hatch on November 15, 2009, 05:24:24 PM
It is so irretating, there is good information over there but the doushe's that are over there ruin it.

 O0
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Post by: hatchbox90 on November 15, 2009, 06:07:47 PM
lawlerskates, ryan your banned
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Post by: SDRAWKCAB on November 15, 2009, 06:16:03 PM
From H-t:
Quote 0554:

It's all the white trash from the site RealHomemadeTurbo dot com It's basically a bunch of white trash kids that either live with mom and dad or couch hop. If you shit isn't flux core welded and using a turbo with a broken compressor wheel from the junkyard your not cool on that site.

Wow I guess we are trash, who knew?
I R White Trash?
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Post by: Joseph Davis on November 15, 2009, 06:18:39 PM
lawlerskates, ryan your banned

What?  ryan89crx?  Don't they know who he is?   :mexi:
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Post by: hatchbox90 on November 15, 2009, 08:06:55 PM
lawlerskates, ryan your banned

What?  ryan89crx?  Don't they know who he is?   :mexi:

another d series guru, guess they dont
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Post by: d112crzy on November 15, 2009, 10:51:27 PM
I'm not white. :mexi:
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Post by: Joseph Davis on November 15, 2009, 10:52:20 PM
Being white is overrated.
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Post by: onlyflash944 on November 15, 2009, 10:54:36 PM
Being white is overrated.


see also, affirmative action
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Post by: bigdaddyvtec on November 15, 2009, 10:56:50 PM
Being white is overrated.

Thats where you are wrong sir
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Post by: onlyflash944 on November 15, 2009, 11:05:03 PM
Being white is overrated.

Thats where you are wrong sir

(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Faceboogielrgjunkie.files.wordpress.com%2F2008%2F05%2Fwhitepower.jpg&hash=27c3ab1e45d0ee5d01df1bdc972705a7387e39b2)
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Post by: SOHCinWA on November 16, 2009, 01:35:29 AM
Its time people found out the truth about Bisi's turbo cams.
Oh really??? What do any of you know about Bisi's cams? I can tell you that they are not CROWER regrinds...
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: hatchbox90 on November 16, 2009, 01:46:19 AM
Its time people found out the truth about Bisi's turbo cams.
Oh really??? What do any of you know about Bisi's cams? I can tell you that they are not CROWER regrinds...

That they are garbage.  Go back to ht douchebag
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Post by: SOHCinWA on November 16, 2009, 01:51:31 AM
Its time people found out the truth about Bisi's turbo cams.
Oh really??? What do any of you know about Bisi's cams? I can tell you that they are not CROWER regrinds...

That they are garbage.  Go back to ht douchebag
Havent been on HT in months but thanks clown.... You should do your homework before you post really..
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Post by: Sinister on November 16, 2009, 01:52:08 AM
Then enlighten us, oh wise one.
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Post by: 88dx on November 16, 2009, 01:52:56 AM
I think his car is pink  :o
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Post by: chris on November 16, 2009, 01:53:56 AM
I hate white people
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Post by: d112crzy on November 16, 2009, 01:54:39 AM
Its time people found out the truth about Bisi's turbo cams.
Oh really??? What do any of you know about Bisi's cams? I can tell you that they are not CROWER regrinds...

Who the fuck said anything about them being a crower cam? How about you do your own research first. I've had first hand experience with Bisi's failure of turbo cams. Have you? Or are you just doing some nut swinging over here?
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Post by: 1slow91hf on November 16, 2009, 01:55:08 AM
i believe he is a super mod possible owner/operator of www.onecamonly.com (http://)
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Post by: hatchbox90 on November 16, 2009, 01:56:00 AM
Go back to ht douchebag
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Post by: 88dx on November 16, 2009, 01:56:33 AM
I hate white people
+1
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Post by: 88dx on November 16, 2009, 01:57:48 AM
Go back to ht douchebag

learn to quote D-bag  :mexi:
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Post by: SOHCinWA on November 16, 2009, 01:58:50 AM
I think his car is pink  :o
Actually you are right... A Pink 1990 LX sedan (4 door) 1.5l that runs 13's. With all power windows and power locks. What have you done??
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Post by: Hotrodlincoln on November 16, 2009, 01:59:16 AM
http://www.ratemypoo.com (http://www.ratemypoo.com)
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Post by: hatchbox90 on November 16, 2009, 02:00:34 AM
I think his car is pink  :o
Actually you are right... A Pink 1990 LX sedan (4 door) 1.5l that runs 13's. With all power windows and power locks. What have you done??

lol
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Post by: Eggylshatch on November 16, 2009, 02:02:54 AM
I think his car is pink  :o
Actually you are right... A Pink 1990 LX sedan (4 door) 1.5l that runs 13's. With all power windows and power locks. What have you done??

hahahahaha god damn THAT is sig material
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Post by: 88dx on November 16, 2009, 02:04:50 AM
I think his car is pink  :o
Actually you are right... A Pink 1990 LX sedan (4 door) 1.5l that runs 13's. With all power windows and power locks. What have you done??
ran faster then a 13 without a pink car  :?: Ive seen your car go down the track a few years ago at BOTI in seattle looked like it was setup pretty good  :?:
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Post by: SOHCinWA on November 16, 2009, 02:07:13 AM
I think his car is pink  :o
Actually you are right... A Pink 1990 LX sedan (4 door) 1.5l that runs 13's. With all power windows and power locks. What have you done??
ran faster then a 13 without a pink car  :?: Ive seen your car go down the track a few years ago at BOTI in seattle looked like it was setup pretty good  :?:

I would run faster too if I had a "Hairdryer" hooked up to it too...
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Post by: chris on November 16, 2009, 02:08:21 AM
I like pink donuts from the Vietnamese lady down the street



88dx has only run 11's on some ls shit with DELTA regrinds
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Post by: hatchbox90 on November 16, 2009, 02:10:04 AM
I think his car is pink  :o
Actually you are right... A Pink 1990 LX sedan (4 door) 1.5l that runs 13's. With all power windows and power locks. What have you done??
ran faster then a 13 without a pink car  :?: Ive seen your car go down the track a few years ago at BOTI in seattle looked like it was setup pretty good  :?:

I would run faster too if I had a "Hairdryer" hooked up to it too...
I have power windows and a glass roof  :mexi:
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Post by: 88dx on November 16, 2009, 02:10:23 AM
I think his car is pink  :o
Actually you are right... A Pink 1990 LX sedan (4 door) 1.5l that runs 13's. With all power windows and power locks. What have you done??
ran faster then a 13 without a pink car  :?: Ive seen your car go down the track a few years ago at BOTI in seattle looked like it was setup pretty good  :?:

I would run faster too if I had a "Hairdryer" hooked up to it too...
anything faster u would have hit the wall  :o
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Post by: hatchbox90 on November 16, 2009, 02:13:13 AM
I think his car is pink  :o
Actually you are right... A Pink 1990 LX sedan (4 door) 1.5l that runs 13's. With all power windows and power locks. What have you done??
ran faster then a 13 without a pink car  :?: Ive seen your car go down the track a few years ago at BOTI in seattle looked like it was setup pretty good  :?:

I would run faster too if I had a "Hairdryer" hooked up to it too...
Dont match a bisi turbo cam with that "hairdryer" or youll go 14's
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: 98vtec on November 16, 2009, 02:16:32 AM
sometimes i wish i could at least view HT to laugh  :-\

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Post by: SOHCinWA on November 16, 2009, 02:17:37 AM
sometimes i wish i could at least view HT to laugh  :-\



You know it Blake... People just dont understand.

Oh Wait... I agreed with someone on this site.. I really must be wrong...
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Post by: hatchbox90 on November 16, 2009, 02:25:19 AM
sometimes i wish i could at least view HT to laugh  :-\



You know it Blake... People just dont understand.

Don seems to be the owner/operator of onecamonly. Of course it seems to be a bisi nuttswinging friend of his. Isnt that right don?
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Post by: d112crzy on November 16, 2009, 02:27:40 AM
Don is the #1 Bisi cock gobbler. He loves his cock so much he moved in right next to him.
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Post by: 98vtec on November 16, 2009, 02:27:49 AM
sometimes i wish i could at least view HT to laugh  :-\



You know it Blake... People just dont understand.

Oh Wait... I agreed with someone on this site.. I really must be wrong...

you got these guys all wrong.

just fyi.
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Post by: SOHCinWA on November 16, 2009, 02:33:11 AM
You are so right....

Lets see here.. Yes I own both www.onecamonly.com (http://) and www.hondabuild.com (http://)  


But then again in 1999 I sponsored Bisi when he came to me and asked me if I would sponsor him with the Fiberglass doors that I use to make for the 88-91 CRX's. I was the only person at the time to make these doors in the USA... So yes . I have been a friend of Bisi. But way before most of you knew of his name. I actually still have his house key. But then again all of you have Dave from Skunk2's personal home number too right??  LOL yeah right.

Next time Oscar Jackson (JACKSON RACING) calls you for advice, let me know.
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Post by: fysh on November 16, 2009, 02:36:20 AM
You are so right....

Lets see here.. Yes I own both www.onecamonly.com (http://) (http://) (http://) and www.hondabuild.com (http://) (http://) (http://)  


But then again in 1999 I sponsored Bisi when he came to me and asked me if I would sponsor him with the Fiberglass doors that I use to make for the 88-91 CRX's. I was the only person at the time to make these doors in the USA... So yes . I have been a friend of Bisi. But way before most of you knew of his name. I actually still have his house key. But then again all of you have Dave from Skunk2's personal home number too right??  LOL yeah right.

Next time Oscar Jackson (JACKSON RACING) calls you for advice, let me know.

You have his house key? thats a big step in your relationship. It was almost 8 months before I gave my girlfriend the key to my house. Sounds like you and Bisi are quite the cute little couple.
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Post by: d112crzy on November 16, 2009, 02:37:35 AM
So what you're saying is that you have a hook up from so many people, yet still only have a 13 second pink car?
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Post by: 98vtec on November 16, 2009, 02:38:55 AM
You are so right....

Lets see here.. Yes I own both www.onecamonly.com (http://) (http://) (http://) (http://) (http://) and www.hondabuild.com (http://) (http://) (http://) (http://) (http://)  


But then again in 1999 I sponsored Bisi when he came to me and asked me if I would sponsor him with the Fiberglass doors that I use to make for the 88-91 CRX's. I was the only person at the time to make these doors in the USA... So yes . I have been a friend of Bisi. But way before most of you knew of his name. I actually still have his house key. But then again all of you have Dave from Skunk2's personal home number too right??  LOL yeah right.

Next time Oscar Jackson (JACKSON RACING) calls you for advice, let me know.

they arent hating on bisi himself.  They just want answers and are not getting them.   Instead the answers are being fucked in the ass by the typical HT sponsor bullshit.

The guys on this website are quite a bit more technically/mechanically/theoretically inclinded than what the outsiders consider them (white trash ditch diggers).  


you arent going to get anywhere with these guys presenting yourself the way you are.  Believe me.  I know.
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Post by: hatchbox90 on November 16, 2009, 02:41:11 AM
You are so right....

Lets see here.. Yes I own both www.onecamonly.com (http://) (http://) (http://) and www.hondabuild.com (http://) (http://) (http://)  


But then again in 1999 I sponsored Bisi when he came to me and asked me if I would sponsor him with the Fiberglass doors that I use to make for the 88-91 CRX's. I was the only person at the time to make these doors in the USA... So yes . I have been a friend of Bisi. But way before most of you knew of his name. I actually still have his house key. But then again all of you have Dave from Skunk2's personal home number too right??  LOL yeah right.

Next time Oscar Jackson (JACKSON RACING) calls you for advice, let me know.
your run 13.9 sec 1/4 miles . your damn near 40 years old and you drive a 20 year old PINK  :-X honda

Shit my silverado would probably run better times than your civic. and it has power windows and locks, shit even has onstar

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Post by: d112crzy on November 16, 2009, 02:43:23 AM


they arent hating on bisi himself.  They just want answers and are not getting them.  


I wish people would actually understand this. More than half of us have already admitted to liking Bisi's NA line. But because we have actual experience with his turbo products and dislike them and actually state that we dislike them, we are haters.

We're tired of the same business pitches being thrown around by Bisi. I could care less of how much R&D he does, just show the proof of the actual performance. I don't care if you have a 9 second car, that don't really mean shit because the products he's selling are not the ones he runs on his car.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Joseph Davis on November 16, 2009, 02:46:22 AM
Its time people found out the truth about Bisi's turbo cams.
Oh really??? What do any of you know about Bisi's cams? I can tell you that they are not CROWER regrinds...

Hi, been in the Honda scene for 14 years now.  Electronics geek, pgmfi.org moderator, have been paying my bills tuning cars for a number of years now.   I hold a number of records ranging from highest power on a stock 3S-GTE head (417), highest power on a stock 2JZ-GTE ignition system when running an AEM (557), and I really don't give a shit but I probably have the stock D16 head/cam NA power record with my old setup (142) and I definitely have it when running 87 octane (138).  I'm not some dumb magazine readng kid, I'm not some dumb forum reading twentyteen, I'm an old fat man who doesn't give a fuck about hype - I get paid to make power and when a part is a fucking failure it makes me look bad to recommend it.  Bisi fucked with my income, if he doesn't know what he's doing he should stick to the NA cars he knows.

Who the fuck are you and where do you get Bisi sells Crower grinds?  That sarcastic ass comment is based off of the Crower stage 2 turbo cam being AMAZING, unlike any Bisi turbo cam, there's not much else that will do 305 whp @ 12 psi off of stock geometry and an unported Z6 head.

If you want to bely up to my site and talk shit like there are idiots present sorry I'll put your dick in the dirt.  Bring tech to the table and I'll converse with you.  Your choice.


I think his car is pink  :o
Actually you are right... A Pink 1990 LX sedan (4 door) 1.5l that runs 13's. With all power windows and power locks. What have you done??

And you're here to argue turbo cams???
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Post by: ryan89crx on November 16, 2009, 02:46:36 AM
lawlerskates, ryan your banned

What?  ryan89crx?  Don't they know who he is?   :mexi:
hahahahahahaha

Quote
You have been banned for the following reason:
I told you. no you didnt say anything about cams but you knew what your where doing

Date the ban will be lifted: 11-18-2009, 11:00 AM
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Post by: SOHCinWA on November 16, 2009, 02:47:13 AM
Blake (98vtec for those of you who dont know) I know what you are saying.....


Bergenholtz first 9 second pass... I was involved. But then again. Most of you couldnt drive yet... Its all good...


PM me if you think you have anything that can run up against me or a "Bisi" product. Street , strip. whatever. BRING IT!
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Post by: d112crzy on November 16, 2009, 02:52:02 AM
Fetch spiker, fetch.
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Post by: chris on November 16, 2009, 02:52:18 AM
Delta cams sends me t-shirts with my orders.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Joseph Davis on November 16, 2009, 02:52:29 AM
Blake (98vtec for those of you who dont know) I know what you are saying.....


Bergenholtz first 9 second pass... I was involved. But then again. Most of you couldnt drive yet... Its all good...


PM me if you think you have anything that can run up against me or a "Bisi" product. Street , strip. whatever. BRING IT!

What does any of this utter nonsense have to do with Bisi turbo cams being snake oil?
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Post by: hatchbox90 on November 16, 2009, 02:54:18 AM
jd made me lol

50% of the cars on this forum run better than a 14 sec. Whitey took his STOCK accord to the track and put down a mid 13 sec pass
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Post by: chris on November 16, 2009, 02:55:18 AM
Blake (98vtec for those of you who dont know) I know what you are saying.....


Bergenholtz first 9 second pass... I was involved. But then again. Most of you couldnt drive yet... Its all good...


PM me if you think you have anything that can run up against me or a "Bisi" product. Street , strip. whatever. BRING IT!

What does any of this utter nonsense have to do with Bisi turbo cams being snake oil?




This means we have been out classed Mr. Davis.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Sinister on November 16, 2009, 02:55:51 AM
Where's the fuckin turkey dinner pics?
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: chris on November 16, 2009, 02:57:06 AM
All I know is my delta cam t shirts are fuckin money.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: d112crzy on November 16, 2009, 02:57:11 AM
Seriously. Someone ban this dumbass. His intro is the worst intro ever of hmt history.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: ryan89crx on November 16, 2009, 02:58:41 AM
All I know is my delta cam t shirts are fuckin money.
I wish I would have gotten a Delta t-shirt. All I got were a couple stickers...
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Sinister on November 16, 2009, 02:58:55 AM
All I know is my delta cam t shirts are fuckin money.

I can has XL?
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: 98vtec on November 16, 2009, 02:59:28 AM
Blake (98vtec for those of you who dont know) I know what you are saying.....


Bergenholtz first 9 second pass... I was involved. But then again. Most of you couldnt drive yet... Its all good...


PM me if you think you have anything that can run up against me or a "Bisi" product. Street , strip. whatever. BRING IT!

i think you need to realize the content/quality of people that are on this forum (deleting the memory of what people have told you about the members here).  I like you Don......  I have never had a problem but you are really over stepping yourself right now.  Might want to bite your tongue because the people here could give two shits about fame and they have been doing this industry long before i could even drive and do very well.

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Post by: Joseph Davis on November 16, 2009, 03:03:01 AM
ATTENTION

If anyone wants to sign up and discuss the TECHNICAL merits of Bisi TURBO grinds, either as performance cams or far more likely as paperweights, feel free to.

If anyone wants to sign up to talk illogical shit I will drive to their house and fist their mother.  On this site it's fine if you have some snap to your yap, but you better fucking get to the point and make sense whilst doing so.
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Post by: 98vtec on November 16, 2009, 03:06:13 AM
ATTENTION

If anyone wants to sign up and discuss the TECHNICAL merits of Bisi TURBO grinds, either as performance cams or far more likely as paperweights, feel free to.

If anyone wants to sign up to talk illogical shit I will drive to their house and fist their mother.  On this site it's fine if you have some snap to your yap, but you better fucking get to the point and make sense whilst doing so.

H series FTW   ;D
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: d112crzy on November 16, 2009, 03:07:44 AM
ATTENTION

If anyone wants to sign up and discuss the TECHNICAL merits of Bisi TURBO grinds, either as performance cams or far more likely as paperweights, feel free to.

If anyone wants to sign up to talk illogical shit I will drive to their house and fist their mother.  On this site it's fine if you have some snap to your yap, but you better fucking get to the point and make sense whilst doing so.

Come to Washington, my mother needs a fisting. Nigger.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: SOHCinWA on November 16, 2009, 03:14:12 AM
My bad... Companies that show proof of their product dont mean anything.. But the companies that just say that their products are better should be praised..  Buy it... Just hope you dont line up next to me...
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Joseph Davis on November 16, 2009, 03:17:09 AM
So I should just let all of your members bad mouth a friend and pioneer of the sport bad mouth him???


You will know when I come to the Eastcoast... Hope you are ready

By that yardstick we should all have sat quietly while Javier @ JG ripped people off, because he's friends with at least someone on this planet, and a pioneer of the sport?  No, it didn't happen then and it's not going to happen now.

Bisi's turbo cams suck and he has no business pretending they don't, or to continue selling them.  He made that mistake, and friendship has nothing to do with the fact that he has to lie in the bed he has made for himself.  The man either stands alone on the merits of his product, business practices, and morals, or he falls by them.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: 98vtec on November 16, 2009, 03:20:56 AM
My bad... Companies that show proof of their product dont mean anything.. But the companies that just say that their products are better should be praised..  Buy it... Just hope you dont line up next to me...

what you are not understanding is that they have already bought the products and tested themselves.  If no one had experience with them, then i could assure you the attitudes towards the product may be a little different.  But that is not the case.

They are wanting the proof of the cams and they are not getting it.  Better yet they are testing these cams and are wanting to give objective criticism so he can provide a better cam for the market.  provide a better cam and these guys can supply a better product to their customers who will in turn be happy and be a return customer.  Beating around the bush enough with cool big technical terms to keep the people who arent technically savy at ease isnt what they are looking for.
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Post by: d112crzy on November 16, 2009, 03:23:05 AM
My bad... Companies that show proof of their product dont mean anything.. But the companies that just say that their products are better should be praised..  Buy it... Just hope you dont line up next to me...

If by proof you mean half assed dyno graphs like these
(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi4.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fy144%2Fbisimoto%2Fbisimoto_vs_59300.jpg&hash=7fce27e105f954fe06fadcf9376fa4b246d81eb4)
Then yes.

And if you haven't noticed, Bisi is the one saying his products are better.

What do you not understand that some us have first hand experience of Bisi's turbo cams(including me), which ended up with horrible results.

Until YOU have a personal experience with Bisi's turbo regrinds, you have absolutely NO room to even stand up.

Do you really stand up for shit you have NO idea about?
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: 88crex on November 16, 2009, 03:38:11 AM
Blake (98vtec for those of you who dont know) I know what you are saying.....


Bergenholtz first 9 second pass... I was involved. But then again. Most of you couldnt drive yet... Its all good...


PM me if you think you have anything that can run up against me or a "Bisi" product. Street , strip. whatever. BRING IT!

lol i dont know if your a bigger douche in person or on the net  ::)
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Joseph Davis on November 16, 2009, 03:39:22 AM
You may want to let off me a little and press more on your members who dont understand or just dont know who in the Honda worl is helping them out... I test cams from Bisi all the time. Turbo or not... Web Camshafts have had my family test their cams since the early 80's...

Slow down

I don't control anyone here, nor do I care to.  The members here argue with me frequently - and unlike you a large number of them do so factually, and logically, without all of the emotional appeals based on family history and some fucked up sense of appreciation we should all have over being sold cams that do not work.

Crower LS and SOHC cams are wonderful units, whether boosted or NA. Crower DOHC VTEC cams are garbage, porous and bad ramp angles = break.   Further, they recently released a pile of blems on eBay which are shitting the bed right and left.  I highly recommend Crower LS and SOHC cams, and actively discourage purchases of their DOHC VTEC units.  I see no reason why I should not say these things, as it is the honest truth.

Bisi NA cams are amazing.  His turbo units suck.  I see no reason why I should not say these things, as it is the honest truth.

Supertech/KMS/same repackaged chinese crap B-series valves fold over for no reason other than manufacturer defect.  Why should I recommend them to anyone?  Why should I lie?  Are they doing us a favor selling this crap?

Sir, or should I say princess?  I find it very revealing and quite humorous that you have at no time defended Bisi turbo cams.  Only spoken of him being a pioneer, a friend, and something about being thankful of the favor he does us selling turbo cams that make less power than stock.  Can you explain that last bit in further detail as I'm not quite grasping it.

Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: bigdaddyvtec on November 16, 2009, 04:33:35 AM
I think his car is pink  :o
Actually you are right... A Pink 1990 LX sedan (4 door) 1.5l that runs 13's. With all power windows and power locks. What have you done??
ran faster then a 13 without a pink car  :?: Ive seen your car go down the track a few years ago at BOTI in seattle looked like it was setup pretty good  :?:

I would run faster too if I had a "Hairdryer" hooked up to it too...


Not if youre running one of his TURBO cams...SHit judging by wht YOUVE done so far  not even with a supa fly JDM K swap yo..

by the way, your use of the word "too" is redundant in the earlier post fagbait.

My bad... Companies that show proof of their product dont mean anything.. But the companies that just say that their products are better should be praised..  Buy it... Just hope you dont line up next to me...



because a blistering 13.67 AND 97 mph TRAP is something to worry about....  ::) . 



I think his car is pink  :o
Actually you are right... A Pink 1990 LX sedan (4 door) 1.5l that runs 13's. With all power windows and power locks. What have you done??

That thing is a fucking joke, slow gay and widebodys blue dash ownz you AND it. That alone should make you want to kill yourself.


DO IT.... DO IT NOW




Blake (98vtec for those of you who dont know) I know what you are saying.....


Bergenholtz first 9 second pass... I was involved. But then again. Most of you couldnt drive yet... Its all good...


PM me if you think you have anything that can run up against me or a "Bisi" product. Street , strip. whatever. BRING IT!

lol i dont know if your a bigger douche in person or on the net  ::)


Hes equally a nutswinging faggot in both.  Im curious, what did you check his tire pressure or blow the guy thsat did???


Hey SOCHNUTSWINGERBOI:

Did you reallly join here to defend your fucking boiyfriend??? If you think the shit thats flying over on HT is going to fly here youre an even bigger dipshit than Ivbe EVER thouoght before....  Your car is slow... you have absolutely ZERO knowledge to backup (or contradiiict) any of the FIRSTHAND experience that people have had with BISIS cams being shit as well...

The BOTTOM line is that his car (the insight) is fast but thats where it ends, but his refusal to backup his (or rather WEB CAMS) shit (as he MARKETS THEIR SHIT AS HIS OWN) is undeniable. Bisi is cool in person....  but how hes done MULTIPLE people (as made obvious in his build thread) is also undeniable.  HT fucking mods that dont want a sponsor badmouthed arent having it and gy mod edit ANYTHING that goes against the grain. Ask Blake, Its what THEY ARE SUPPOSED to do over there...


Does he know the F???? sure. The D? From what Ive read alot of that was borrowed (in the beginning).


In short there are a multitude of things in that thread about that build that are suspecft as well... That manifold for one, his arguement about having the entire exhaust piviting off of a flex pipe in the fucking engine bay for two, and my cock in your mothers tired hole (take your pick of which one)  for thrice.

Shut the fuck up

ATTENTION

If anyone wants to sign up and discuss the TECHNICAL merits of Bisi TURBO grinds, either as performance cams or far more likely as paperweights, feel free to.

If anyone wants to sign up to talk illogical shit I will drive to their house and fist their mother.  On this site it's fine if you have some snap to your yap, but you better fucking get to the point and make sense whilst doing so.

Come to Washington, my mother needs a fisting. Nigger.


Oh Noes You said nigger, nigger



Pink is the new... well, shit its still pink.

http://www.youtube.com/user/S0HC671#p/a/u/0/KMyWJbkZok8 (http://www.youtube.com/user/S0HC671#p/a/u/0/KMyWJbkZok8)







ALL of this said and done, we have yet to even scratch the surface of the two dumbasses hes got working for him posting in Accord forums under his insignia... Ive had to flame the ROBERT clown flying his flag on multiple occasions for not having ANY idea what the fuck hes talking about on multiple sites, as well as the other one too...

Jesus, on HTin the Accord forum, CB7tuner... Accord society etc.


Bisi is a really nice guy. He is knowlegable. His Insight is a monumental accomplishment in the SOHC camp... But to blindly ride his coat tails is moronic at best.....  It makes you look like a fucking idiot when some a us white trash folk with flux core setups running broken compressor wheel turbos have a MUCH MUCH MUCCCHHH better idea pf what the fuck is really going on from experience than you do... and you back up something that you know 0 about that is garbage, all for the sake of riding the cack...

That is what he so elequently labeled SHEEPISH..LMAO (OH THE IRONY). What kills me is his entire following is based on just that with the SOHC, and its PROVEN tenfold in that thread, and here in this one by you.

He DOENT stand behind his shit as well as everyone thinks... Its PROVEN, not some kind of fictitious attack. Notice how all the issues are sidestepped???

Yup. Thats GREAT customer service... Or not









Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: j.h.christ on November 16, 2009, 05:04:50 AM
do i know this sohcinwa in real life spiker?
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: bigdaddyvtec on November 16, 2009, 05:16:27 AM
No

I cant believe the audacity to speak of a shitbox pink car that runs 13s like its an accomplishment, I mean fuck.

If hes that eager to get his ass handed to him on the street though masybe we should have him bring that pile of shit out and ge walked by EVERY CAR PRESENT


OH WAIT A MOMENT OF "INSIGHT" (get it-  HAHAHA HES RUNNING A BISI (WEB) CAM AS WELL I BET.


IIRC he got banned from HT... Dont quote me on it though


Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: crttaz on November 16, 2009, 06:53:07 AM
So what you're saying is that you have a hook up from so many people, yet still only have a 13 second pink car?

ZING.....had to let his wife drive it to be that fast!!!!!

Carbs, big header, big cam....still only does 13.9, bogging to flywheel being too light to get the pig of a 4 door moving.

Yet a 1.6L with mild Crane cam and OEM intake with a typical 4-1 header runs 13.8 just getting it dialed in with traction issues.

TOO much cam, too little flywheel, in a car that is too heavy for the combo = FAIL.

Yes Don, there is a reason of a 13.9x goal in my NA CRX, your Pinkie. I'm not bashing Bisi either, I've chatted with him many of times, I, like you, know his passion. I don't know all the details with the turbo cams so I've not commented about the issue.

Some RACE parts are too big for certain builds, esp with a heavy car and a lightweight flywheel on too big of slicks. Simple physics.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: j.h.christ on November 16, 2009, 07:04:52 AM
jesus fucking christ his youtube videos are nothing short of legendary

14 flat, oh my lord stop the presses- i pulled better than that with my 3000 pound nazi shitbox
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: bigdaddyvtec on November 16, 2009, 07:11:40 AM
The fact that a chick drives it is the only thing even halfway cool about it
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: crttaz on November 16, 2009, 07:16:13 AM
So Don, you posted on OCO and HB that Bisi might jump ship out of the Honda game. I'm sure he is VERY happy with you posting this.....NOT! I don't doubt Bisi's merits but this is out of line a bit.

Quote
In 1997 there was a guy with a 1988 CRX HF bodied 1.5L that drove his car to his job everyday and back home to his little apartment... He was so into the Import racing scene and built his daily driver to run as quick as possible..

Shortly there after he kept playing with his setup and finally went 12's. Still with this meager 1.5L engine that people only thought of as a "Gas mileage only engine."

He started getting noticed by his peers that were running the same E.T.'s with much larger DOHC engines. But was still not really thought of a threat to any of them.

Then this person had a "Company" car and didnt have to drive his CRX back and forth to work any longer. So he decided to lose all of the weight in the car. Lexan windows, just a driver seat, etc.

The car was going 11's now. And still people at the time thought it was cute. At events people were not worried about him and his small SOHC powered engine.

It wasnt until his first event win when people started saying that it was "Unfair" and that he was winning because his car and setup weighed less than their DOHC much larger engined cars were. They said that he had an advantage over them... So the sanctioning bodies made him add weight to his car because he was different and people did not understand him..

Throughout the years he continued to break records and prove that the impossible was no that way....

Today people swear that he has more money in his crank alone than most people have in their entire engine. That is not the case at all.

So I ask most of you on this site. Where were you in 1997??? I bet that most of you were not even driving. So for the people that talk bad about this man is ubsurd!! For those of you that dont believe in him or have second guessed what he has done, you are way wrong...

I see companies that make most of their products in 3rd World countries and have absolutely NO R&D involved and people want to praise them... Then I see people talk shit about dyno numbers and proof from Bismoto and his products. Maybe if he called his name something more "Exciting" people would believe it?? Thats BS!

What I can tell you is this... After the 2010 season, you may not see any Bisimoto products for any of the Honda line... There are manufacturers out there that have been courting Bisi and his great knowledge to make quality products that produce power.. So we all lose..

Some thing that most people dont know about him and his shop... Ever heard of "Calloway"? You know. The company that builds 700+whp Daily driven Corvettes... Yes Bisi is involved with them. In fact, the owner is at Bisi's shop at least 2 times a week. So for those of you who think that Bisi is a "Nobody" you might want to think twice.

Will Bisi be in a Honda in 2011??? I doubt it.. But it is mostly because of the people in the Honda World that doubt him. Do I blame him? Not one bit.

He has spent most of the last 15+ years trying to make the Honda scene a better place. But haters have made it a place that he does not want to be anymore.... Imagine people such as Oscar Jackson (Jackson Racing) telling him that companies strive to be as great as his company is... But then having all of the haters saying that he is nothing... There is other manufacturers that would love to have him help produce products that work... Is the Honda World doomed?? Maybe not. But it will be hurt.

Thank you Bisi as a friend and Pioneer. For helping the Sport Compact World to get to where it is today.. I will always support you and everything you do. Just as you did with me before people knew who you were...


Just something for you all to think about.

Also might wanna mention he was running a D16A6 when he was running those 11's, not the D15A6 block.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: bigdaddyvtec on November 16, 2009, 07:44:35 AM
Ya man this guy doesnt get it...Bisis a super nice guy, a pioneer,  The F motor will always be special to me, I have always been a believer in it, when the first group of people I knew in the game told me I HAD to do the H swap and id be dissapointed with a turbo F...... HAHAHAHA Funny thing is that I HURT ALOT of feelings with that setup. No one ever believed me when Id tell them It wasnt an H.....  AND WAS COMPLETELY STOCK.. I GET THE ALLURE of the SOHC. But Jesus Christ.

Like alot of people (including me) he leaves alot out... Thats racing, and smart business (to a degree untill you start getting called ouyt for failed products and then leave people hanging), and... Well just part of the game, But how is METH injection PUMP GAS???? Thats like saying racegas is pump gas because it comes out of a pump..... LOL.

I dont think it will make 700 still without racegas or NAWZ or something, but Its definately misleading. That DP is gross too... saying that its 'sheepish' to have only 1/2 your exhaust hanging off of a flex than nearly all of it is retarded too (a DP being braced at the rear of the block surey doesnt put more stress on it at the flange)...  Let alone it looks like shit. Him being an engineer I csant believe he even put that out there.

Whatever

I didnt catch it at first when I initially called BS untill it was pointed out that the car had a meth kit on it (there were no pics of it at the time).... 


Pump plus Meth isnt pump anymore.  What is NAWZ forced induction too because it comes out of the bottle at pressure, but does absolutely nothing to increace MAP to anything positive whatsover???  The Nitrous clowns always killed me with that argument.



I still dont see the manifold being "braced to the teeth" either. With that wastegate setup and the fact its thinwall (at least it really looks like it). I predict fail when beaten on... Then all that pretty JET coatings gonna have to be ground down and rewelded...


The Head is fucking BEAUTIFUL though...


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Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Joseph Davis on November 16, 2009, 09:44:45 AM
You know what would make everyone happy and make this all go away?

Anyone unhappy with a Bisi cam gets to return it for a refund.  If they're so great no one will return theirs so it's a no risk situation, and if the customer service is top notch it's the logical conclusion.  Further, I no longer feel that I have to protect the innocent buying public so I post up pictures of unicorns shitting rainbows and cupcakes to HT and everyone is happy.


The end.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: VW-Vortex on November 16, 2009, 11:17:07 AM
You guys leave Bisi alone!!!!!   :'(
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Aaron Cake on November 16, 2009, 11:52:23 AM
You are all wrong.  I make the cams for Bisi, and im the one doing all the work on the wagon.  So you can all STFU.  :-*

Rotaries own you all.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: crttaz on November 16, 2009, 12:31:14 PM
You are all wrong.  I make the cams for Bisi, and im the one doing all the work on the wagon.  So you can all STFU.  :-*

Rotaries own you all.

Sorry, but your name isn't Laurie........at least I know who is making the cams.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Robb on November 16, 2009, 02:16:22 PM
Obvious troll is obvious.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Aaron CupCake on November 16, 2009, 02:24:41 PM
You are all wrong.  I make the cams for Bisi, and im the one doing all the work on the wagon.  So you can all STFU.  :-*

Rotaries own you all.

who the fuck are you
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: 92CXyD on November 16, 2009, 02:27:55 PM
LOL

One fag calling another fag. :o





Did I just log on the H-T.  ;D
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: snm95ls on November 16, 2009, 02:35:16 PM
Lol.  Okay, now I understand Spiker's other poll thread.



Wow!  I had a feeling that this was going to be the outcome when I saw that Don had signed up here.

Oh well, I guess.

lol.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: bigdaddyvtec on November 16, 2009, 02:40:15 PM
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Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
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Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: snm95ls on November 16, 2009, 02:56:29 PM
lol.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: ryan89crx on November 16, 2009, 02:57:14 PM
hahahahaha, epic
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: danz on November 16, 2009, 03:14:47 PM
lol Golden Eagle is calling me a liar on HT saying that I never went to JFK for a tune and that I never notified Bisi of my cam sucking donkey cock uncircumcised. 

wtf is going on with the world today??
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Aaron CupCake on November 16, 2009, 03:16:52 PM
wtf is going on with the world today??

prove that you notified bisi
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: danz on November 16, 2009, 03:20:43 PM
You know what would make everyone happy and make this all go away?

Anyone unhappy with a Bisi cam gets to return it for a refund.  If they're so great no one will return theirs so it's a no risk situation, and if the customer service is top notch it's the logical conclusion.  Further, I no longer feel that I have to protect the innocent buying public so I post up pictures of unicorns shitting rainbows and cupcakes to HT and everyone is happy.


The end.

not a bad idea too bad i sold mine already.

like i said in HT that is now deleted.

"the best part about a bisimoto turbo cam is the resale value, no matter what performance the cam produced!"

bisi turbo cams for the win!


but really... i would love to try an NA bisi cam, i believe they work.  but these turbo cams are just shit on a metal stick. (at least mine was...)

Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: danz on November 16, 2009, 03:24:08 PM
wtf is going on with the world today??

prove that you notified bisi

here you go.  how about a dick in the butt too??

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Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: 98vtec on November 16, 2009, 03:39:37 PM
whats funny is that he says that he will help you choose the cam for your setup to meet your needs.


YOU ALREADY DID and FAILED.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: chris on November 16, 2009, 04:05:57 PM
Bisi should just use his all motor cams for everything
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: 98vtec on November 16, 2009, 04:06:53 PM
maybe he does.....hmmm.... :mexi:
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Aaron Cake on November 16, 2009, 04:09:22 PM
You are all wrong.  I make the cams for Bisi, and im the one doing all the work on the wagon.  So you can all STFU.  :-*

Rotaries own you all.

who the fuck are you

See my website below.  Im well known in the rotary world.  I practically invented them.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: danz on November 16, 2009, 04:23:15 PM
You are all wrong.  I make the cams for Bisi, and im the one doing all the work on the wagon.  So you can all STFU.  :-*

Rotaries own you all.

who the fuck are you

See my website below.  Im well known in the rotary world.  I practically invented them.


holy fuck get a hair cut.  ah fuck your canadian too arent you...


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Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Ntrain2k on November 16, 2009, 04:28:04 PM
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Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Robb on November 16, 2009, 04:59:32 PM
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Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Aaron CupCake on November 16, 2009, 05:02:22 PM
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Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Joseph Davis on November 16, 2009, 05:04:06 PM
Cakeboy is a hotrex, classic.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Aaron CupCake on November 16, 2009, 05:05:33 PM
wtf is going on with the world today??

prove that you notified bisi

here you go.  how about a dick in the butt too??

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clearly a photo shop

bisi just posted the other day in the thread saying theirs no such thing as a 30 day expiration and that he will work diligently to meet and exceed his customers expectations

go fuck yourself for trying to give bisi a bad rep
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Aaron CupCake on November 16, 2009, 05:07:40 PM
Cakeboy is a hotrex, classic.

you like my hair?

i was shooting for pre-dead beat dad jd.

i think i did ok.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Joseph Davis on November 16, 2009, 05:12:19 PM
ok
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
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Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Robb on November 16, 2009, 05:18:12 PM
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Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Aaron CupCake on November 16, 2009, 05:26:57 PM
ok

ha i was just joshin' ya

didn't mean to say pre-deadbeat dad. more like bum era.

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Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Aaron CupCake on November 16, 2009, 05:30:10 PM
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Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: snm95ls on November 16, 2009, 05:33:13 PM
Good shit.

Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: crttaz on November 16, 2009, 05:53:02 PM
Question:

Those that have ran the Bisimoto Turbo cam's with crappy results, did you degree in the cams as listed?
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Foowee on November 16, 2009, 06:26:07 PM
Question:

Those that have ran the Bisimoto Turbo cam's with crappy results, did you degree in the cams as listed?

After seeing danz results(w/the colt cam) and who he took his stuff to, I'm sure they tried a number of settings before deciding the cam was junk...
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Post by: ratcityrex on November 16, 2009, 07:15:57 PM
It Rubs The Lotion On It's Skin (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDgS6qLsVM4#normal)
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Post by: danz on November 16, 2009, 07:24:22 PM

go fuck yourself for trying to give bisi a bad rep

bisi is giving himself a bad rep by claiming he will do things and does do things, that he doesnt do.  im quite sad actually.

why say you help customers with different cam profiles, then not help them?  its weird, thats for sure

Question:

Those that have ran the Bisimoto Turbo cam's with crappy results, did you degree in the cams as listed?

After seeing danz results(w/the colt cam) and who he took his stuff to, I'm sure they tried a number of settings before deciding the cam was junk...

JFK did mess around with the cam timing, it helped carry torque a little better but nothing to write home about.  i also emailed bisimoto about the cam needed to be degreed and was told it might make minor differences but it wouldnt cure my torque falling off like the niagra falls...

and just to LOL at... intake .007 exhaust .009  :)

i cant speak for JFK, but the impression i got from him was that he thought my setup was bottled necked by either my exhaust manifold, turbo choice, or my non-vtec head... i dont think he thought the cam was the problem.... and to be honest i didnt think the cam was the problem either.... UNTIL i tried a Colt cam and the car started to move like a mother fucker.

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Post by: chris on November 16, 2009, 07:33:13 PM
The video between the 2 cams looks like a whole new motor build.
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Post by: bigdaddyvtec on November 16, 2009, 07:38:49 PM
B4 Deleted
Quote from: ATYPR;40656316
WTF?!?! read more hate less.



Quote from: extralargenog;40656470
No Hate.

Fact..

The manifold is thinwall (16 Guage-as I thought)...I asked way back (post deleted) what it was made of due to the WG setup hanging precariously of of what appeared to be thinwall stuff.

However... The answer has just come. If the DP is braced on the back of the motor there is NO additional stress. At all, in fact there would be LESS. The ONLY thing that comes into play is that the thermal expansion and contraction  of the manifold. That being said, if the DP is braced at the rear of the block and the flex is located in the "sheepy" location, the stress point isnt further up at the turbo where it is now. The maniofold and the turbo will have to take more of the stress out of the longer (heavier) exhaust swinging off of it. Being as you cant reallyu brace it since the flex is so far forward and high...  Well it doesnt take an engineer to figure it out...

 He stated its 321...  Do you know what that means??? My bet is no.  It is a titanium alloy more friendly to such thermal  happenings. Im sure thats why he picked it... Still another FACT is that the exhaust being longer creates more stress on the flex joint than if the DP was braced at the rear of the block in the "sheepy" location.


Im not going to get into the manifold material, as I know others are thinking the same as I.

Its funny how anything thats not nutswinging is automatically construed as "hating"


The build is cool, the goal... well Im curious to see if he makes it. I wouldnt call Pump and Meth "pump" but whatever. I hope he makes it, however clowns like you are just as bad as the people that badmouthed him earlier here.

Ride on... I have Compressor wheels to break and Fluxcore to spatter...

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Post by: snm95ls on November 16, 2009, 07:44:10 PM
Hey tubby, you did you fail to realize that his use of the word "sheepy" was to address the user Sheepey originally...







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Post by: bigdaddyvtec on November 16, 2009, 07:47:23 PM
si   :mexi:


Am

 I the only one convinced that that WG setup is fucking garbage, that manifold is going to crack even though its "braced to the teeth"  (none of which I can see in any pics), the flex pipe where it is is not helping stress at all on the manifold like he claims and that pump gas with meth is not "pump gas"


Jesus fucking christ
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Post by: Robb on November 16, 2009, 07:52:55 PM
What a pussy.  Real men dont run wastegates.  They size their turbos for the amount of boost they need to run.   :?:

Wastegates = Pussy.
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Post by: hatchbox90 on November 16, 2009, 08:03:12 PM
Don come back

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Post by: turbob16hatch on November 16, 2009, 08:04:38 PM
si   :mexi:


Am

 I the only one convinced that that WG setup is fucking garbage, that manifold is going to crack even though its "braced to the teeth"  (none of which I can see in any pics), the flex pipe where it is is not helping stress at all on the manifold like he claims and that pump gas with meth is not "pump gas"


Jesus fucking christ

I'm with you on the manifold being  :?:. i don't understand why he wouldn't brace those joints where the wastegates tee off the collector. the wastegate will most certainly fall off with the vibration from a d series being pushed that hard.

and also i almost posted on his retarded flex location and how it serves no purpose there if the down pipe is braced/mounted in the back like it appears it is. also i have never seen a stepped header on a turbo car unless it was a log manifold. I have always heard you want to keep as much velocity or pressure as you can before the turbine. As in run the smallest diameter you can for the engine.

there is so much wrong with that build it just doesn't look like an "engineer" is building it. there doesn't seem to be real thought put into the components of the build.
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Post by: snm95ls on November 16, 2009, 08:07:25 PM
...also i have never seen a stepped header on a turbo car unless it was a log manifold. I have always heard you want to keep as much velocity or pressure as you can before the turbine. As in run the smallest diameter you can for the engine...

With a given density, velocity and pressure have an inverse relationship...


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Post by: SOHCinWA on November 16, 2009, 08:10:52 PM
Don come back

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Thats awesome! Too bad I am holding a Wally. Not mine though. Damn proud to have been there to accept it for my dad though...
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Post by: QikEnuF on November 16, 2009, 08:12:32 PM
That's you? Dude, you do kind of look like you might take a dick in the ass from time to time.
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Post by: j.h.christ on November 16, 2009, 08:13:10 PM
your dad would be upset with you for wearing such a faggoty shirt to accept an award in his name
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Post by: chris on November 16, 2009, 08:14:24 PM
NHRA ruined Honda racing notice the decline and total loss of interest once they got there greedy hands on it.


Once they got done ruining it they threw it out like a 50 dollar whore. Thanks NHRA.


Oh fuck wally


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Post by: bigdaddyvtec on November 16, 2009, 08:18:03 PM
si   :mexi:


Am

 I the only one convinced that that WG setup is fucking garbage, that manifold is going to crack even though its "braced to the teeth"  (none of which I can see in any pics), the flex pipe where it is is not helping stress at all on the manifold like he claims and that pump gas with meth is not "pump gas"


Jesus fucking christ

I'm with you on the manifold being  :?:. i don't understand why he wouldn't brace those joints where the wastegates tee off the collector. the wastegate will most certainly fall off with the vibration from a d series being pushed that hard.

and also i almost posted on his retarded flex location and how it serves no purpose there if the down pipe is braced/mounted in the back like it appears it is. also i have never seen a stepped header on a turbo car unless it was a log manifold. I have always heard you want to keep as much velocity or pressure as you can before the turbine. As in run the smallest diameter you can for the engine.

there is so much wrong with that build it just doesn't look like an "engineer" is building it. there doesn't seem to be real thought put into the components of the build.


Holy shit did we just actua;;u agree???    O0


hahahah
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Post by: hatchbox90 on November 16, 2009, 08:26:24 PM
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Post by: SOHCinWA on November 16, 2009, 08:32:27 PM
If you are going to do it. At least do it right....

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Post by: turbob16hatch on November 16, 2009, 08:33:56 PM
Man you look way more gay in that picture....  :o
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Post by: SOHCinWA on November 16, 2009, 08:37:58 PM
Man you look way more gay in that picture....  :o

Yeah you would look pretty gay too if you had to wear this thing... Oh well it was my birthday and we were smashed
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Post by: j.h.christ on November 16, 2009, 08:38:40 PM
If you are going to do it. At least do it right....

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does your dad know you're a fruitbooting poofter who takes pictures of himself?
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Post by: bigdaddyvtec on November 16, 2009, 08:43:26 PM
This thread makes me proud to be a flux coring compressor wheel breaking 4 door mobbing cheeseburger inhaling American
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Post by: danz on November 16, 2009, 08:44:52 PM
If you are going to do it. At least do it right....

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your nose looks a lot smaller in that picture... musta cleaned off all of bisi shit before hand
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Post by: SOHCinWA on November 16, 2009, 08:52:01 PM

your nose looks a lot smaller in that picture... musta cleaned off all of bisi shit before hand

Thanks for the kind words.
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Post by: 1fasthf on November 16, 2009, 08:52:19 PM
^^^^^^ BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHHA^^^^^^
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Post by: QikEnuF on November 16, 2009, 09:28:57 PM
This thread makes me proud to be a cheeseburger inhaling American

At least you got some of that right
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Post by: bigdaddyvtec on November 16, 2009, 09:48:10 PM
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Post by: d112crzy on November 16, 2009, 10:22:07 PM
si   :mexi:


Am

 I the only one convinced that that WG setup is fucking garbage, that manifold is going to crack even though its "braced to the teeth"  (none of which I can see in any pics), the flex pipe where it is is not helping stress at all on the manifold like he claims and that pump gas with meth is not "pump gas"


Jesus fucking christ

I'm with you on the manifold being  :?:. i don't understand why he wouldn't brace those joints where the wastegates tee off the collector. the wastegate will most certainly fall off with the vibration from a d series being pushed that hard.

and also i almost posted on his retarded flex location and how it serves no purpose there if the down pipe is braced/mounted in the back like it appears it is. also i have never seen a stepped header on a turbo car unless it was a log manifold. I have always heard you want to keep as much velocity or pressure as you can before the turbine. As in run the smallest diameter you can for the engine.

there is so much wrong with that build it just doesn't look like an "engineer" is building it. there doesn't seem to be real thought put into the components of the build.

He's pretty much trying to reinvent the wheel. He calls it "innovation".
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Post by: Joseph Davis on November 16, 2009, 10:43:30 PM
This thread makes me proud to be a flux coring compressor wheel breaking 4 door mobbing cheeseburger inhaling American

You mean crass, slovenly, and fat?
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Post by: Minor Threat on November 16, 2009, 10:52:30 PM
Question:

Those that have ran the Bisimoto Turbo cam's with crappy results, did you degree in the cams as listed?

There is no listing for the cam he sent us, but we tried anyways, it was still shit.
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Post by: Joseph Davis on November 16, 2009, 10:53:21 PM
Bone, I adjust the cam of every turbo D-series I get my hands on.
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Post by: d112crzy on November 16, 2009, 11:00:51 PM
"degreeing" the cam on a sohc does close to nothing anyways. You compromise either way you go.

But I only played with a max of +/-2* due to the owner not knowing his clearances and me not wanting to take a chance.
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Post by: Whitey on November 16, 2009, 11:11:27 PM
Bisi cams are socialism
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Post by: bigdaddyvtec on November 17, 2009, 12:11:09 AM
That's racist sir O0
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Post by: QikEnuF on November 17, 2009, 12:11:43 AM
That's racist sir O0

Go Eat.  And I'll be calling you early in the morning.  My time.
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Post by: crxvtec91 on November 17, 2009, 12:46:11 AM
This post FTW.

BTW NW crew= DAMN! :evil:
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Post by: 2slow on November 17, 2009, 12:47:51 AM
lol Golden Eagle is calling me a liar on HT saying that I never went to JFK for a tune and that I never notified Bisi of my cam sucking donkey cock uncircumcised. 

wtf is going on with the world today??
thats because bisi got his head gasket, intake manifold, and sleeves from golden eagle. they probably hold hands in the shower
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Post by: Tom@OCZCTuning on November 17, 2009, 02:36:57 AM
us at oczc tuning will build the most hp, tq, and fastest d-series around with first class tuning from the one and only JOSEPH DAVIS,

I will shit on any single cam, turbo motor. 


oczc, pbt, joseph davis will build the best shit with the help of rhmt hands down.  plenty can vouch for this.  i mean, i was the first one with a 389hp stock block zc that ran low 10's
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Post by: danz on November 17, 2009, 02:38:02 AM
Tom, can i have a sponsorship with one ultimate goal? to eat cheeseburgers and run 9s on a ZC dual cam?
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Post by: Tom@OCZCTuning on November 17, 2009, 02:40:39 AM
Tom, can i have a sponsorship with one ultimate goal? to eat cheeseburgers and run 9s on a ZC dual cam?

i have been hearing a lot about your car lately.  what manifold is on there.   I would like to do a manifold for you for probably just the cost of flanges. i want to see pics of your manifold that is currently on your vehicle.  much love for the a6
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Post by: crttaz on November 17, 2009, 03:04:20 AM
Bone, I adjust the cam of every turbo D-series I get my hands on.

I do the same NA, match the powerband of the cam to the motor trying to get a usable smooth torque curve..
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Post by: Joseph Davis on November 17, 2009, 08:08:57 AM
Bone, I adjust the cam of every turbo D-series I get my hands on.

I do the same NA, match the powerband of the cam to the motor trying to get a usable smooth torque curve..

Although there was a considerable gain in advancing my ex-now-Foowee's abberration of a motor a quarter of a degree (same peak power, 4-5 wtq across the board in the rest of the driving range, very picky), I'm going to agree with the consensus on d-series.org that a stock cam naturally aspirated D16 doesn't need an adjustable cam gear.  Aftermarket cams being cut on a "close enough" index, of course they need to be dialled into reality.  Turbo D16 run against the limitations of their head/port early, and are responsive to cam adjustments to keep power up top from falling off.
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Post by: oinesra on November 17, 2009, 09:51:05 AM
Tom, can i have a sponsorship with one ultimate goal? to eat cheeseburgers and run 9s on a ZC dual cam?

i have been hearing a lot about your car lately.  what manifold is on there.   I would like to do a manifold for you for probably just the cost of flanges. i want to see pics of your manifold that is currently on your vehicle.  much love for the a6

hey man, have you ever done an intake manifold for an rx7 before? they guy i paid to do mine pretty much screwed me over. how much would you be willing to do it for?
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Post by: Eggylshatch on November 17, 2009, 11:21:19 AM
ha!































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Post by: danz on November 17, 2009, 12:46:57 PM
its times like this im glad im not totally new. :-X
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Post by: 97Econobox on November 17, 2009, 01:00:09 PM
Just when i thought this thread couldnt be Henry'ed any more......there comes oinerosa
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Post by: bigdaddyvtec on November 17, 2009, 01:12:03 PM
Just when I thouight this thread couldnt be Henried more than Henry, Henry Henried it to a new level of Henriedness
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Post by: d112crzy on November 17, 2009, 01:12:49 PM
answer my text fatass.
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Post by: bigdaddyvtec on November 17, 2009, 01:18:06 PM
Fuck you.


No

My question is why in the fuck your brown ass is trying to take apart the oil pump anyways besides to put a set of circuitwerks gears in it as if its fucked up enough to try to be mexicant enough to put another OEM set in it its fucked and you need to get right... GET WHITE...  You fucking Burito eatin Fish Taco lovin Over the counter date rape drug takin pile of Taco Bell...

 :-*
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Post by: d112crzy on November 17, 2009, 01:24:10 PM
porting, cleaning and to be sure proper clearances are there.
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Post by: Joseph Davis on November 17, 2009, 02:08:27 PM
Circuitworx/Prodrive fail just as often as the OEM gear fails.  The problem is the crank flexing under power and ramming the gear against the housing, not what the gear is made of.
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Post by: bigdaddyvtec on November 17, 2009, 02:10:37 PM
Exactly why I didnt put one in my car when I broke the OG pump from the overrev.
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Post by: patsmx5 on November 17, 2009, 02:18:11 PM
Circuitworx/Prodrive fail just as often as the OEM gear fails.  The problem is the crank flexing under power and ramming the gear against the housing, not what the gear is made of.
Oh that's just ridiculous. Super fancy strong diamond hard steel oil pump gears in an aluminum housing solves the problem, ask any miata fanboi.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: bigdaddyvtec on November 17, 2009, 02:20:19 PM
Boy did that build thread lose steam
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Post by: crxvtec91 on November 17, 2009, 02:34:44 PM
Just when i thought this thread couldnt be Henry'ed any more......there comes oinerosa

+1 oinerosa ftw hahahahhahahhaha
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Joseph Davis on November 17, 2009, 02:38:19 PM
Circuitworx/Prodrive fail just as often as the OEM gear fails.  The problem is the crank flexing under power and ramming the gear against the housing, not what the gear is made of.
Oh that's just ridiculous. Super fancy strong diamond hard steel oil pump gears in an aluminum housing solves the problem, ask any miata fanboi.

O K
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Post by: bigdaddyvtec on November 17, 2009, 02:53:00 PM
Are you saying he can't "calibrate" his dyno to get reasonably near 700whp?



HAHAHAHAHAH DYNAPACK FTW!!!!  LOL.. I thought the smae exact thing...

Anyways:


http://www.cb7tuner.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=148113 (http://www.cb7tuner.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=148113)
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Post by: danz on November 17, 2009, 03:45:01 PM
Are you saying he can't "calibrate" his dyno to get reasonably near 700whp?

all he will have to do to verify it is run the car at the track.  it should trap over 140mph easyy with 700whp
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Post by: danz on November 17, 2009, 04:00:14 PM
I would think even higher than that really.  He may not even track it when he discovers it isn't doing what he wants it to.

apparently he already has dyno video of the car, and other video as well going off his post on the CB7 forum.  i dont think he would have started all these threads if he didnt have something to brag about all day.
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Post by: Corey on November 17, 2009, 04:04:15 PM
I would think even higher than that really.  He may not even track it when he discovers it isn't doing what he wants it to.

chances are the manifold is gonna fall apart before it hits the 700whp dynapack calibrated number because he has a heavy ass t4 turbo and a big wastegate hanging off an entirely unbraced 16ga manifold.
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Post by: d112crzy on November 17, 2009, 04:05:52 PM
It probably is braced to hell, the pics just don't show it because those are OLD pics.
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Post by: 92CXyD on November 17, 2009, 04:10:37 PM
I would think even higher than that really.  He may not even track it when he discovers it isn't doing what he wants it to.

apparently he already has dyno video of the car, and other video as well going off his post on the CB7 forum.  i dont think he would have started all these threads if he didnt have something to brag about all day.

My thought exactly in an earlier issue of Super Street he was saying 650bhp was his goal and now its 700bhp.
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Post by: Joseph Davis on November 17, 2009, 04:11:29 PM
Something wrong that you kids haven't picked up on yet... can you tell me what it is?

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Go!
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Post by: bigdaddyvtec on November 17, 2009, 04:12:18 PM
Open your beaner eyes the manifold was already coated on said pics you nigger lover

Suck my nuts
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Post by: d112crzy on November 17, 2009, 04:20:09 PM
no vtak solenoid?
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Post by: snm95ls on November 17, 2009, 04:23:44 PM
No idea.

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Post by: Joseph Davis on November 17, 2009, 04:28:02 PM
No idea.

We've already surmised that, I meant specifically in that picture.
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Post by: 92CXyD on November 17, 2009, 04:34:00 PM
Doesn't say D16z6 on block?

His adj. oil cap is not on there.

Pipe for the wg look like it is not in the correct place.
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Plus when the wg opens it only bleeds of exhaust energy from 2 runners
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Post by: Joseph Davis on November 17, 2009, 04:35:27 PM
It's specifically not in the pictures you posted.
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Post by: 92CXyD on November 17, 2009, 04:38:02 PM
WG?
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Post by: patsmx5 on November 17, 2009, 04:38:22 PM
engine stand fail
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Post by: snm95ls on November 17, 2009, 04:38:59 PM
No idea.

We've already surmised that, I meant specifically in that picture.

Ok.

engine stand fail

Looks like only two arms holding it on there now that you mention it.  Kind of scary.

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Post by: 92CXyD on November 17, 2009, 04:40:55 PM
Oh yeah I have that engine stand its from CSK auto parts and they very marginal stands. ;D
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Post by: turbob16hatch on November 17, 2009, 04:41:57 PM
Something wrong that you kids haven't picked up on yet... can you tell me what it is?

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Go!

Only thing i can think of is the creepgate, and the sweet o2 sensors right in front of each other and 8" off the turbo.
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Post by: 92CXyD on November 17, 2009, 04:45:46 PM
Would having the O2 sensor off off the turbine housing but before the wg pipe meet back with the exhaust give you messed up AFR at idea or no boost situations?
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Post by: Teg2boo on November 17, 2009, 05:25:27 PM
Wastegate will hit the downpipe because the flex is not at the good place?
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Post by: crxvtec91 on November 17, 2009, 05:25:53 PM
It has one of his fail cams in it :P
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Post by: dvst8r on November 17, 2009, 05:27:39 PM
02 sensors too close to turbine?
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Post by: PhilStubbs on November 17, 2009, 05:39:36 PM
I'm not excited about how close the o2 sensors are to the turbo. Innovate says 18" in their manual. 700whp is going to make those sensors pretty hot.
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Post by: patsmx5 on November 17, 2009, 05:52:17 PM
I'm not excited about how close the o2 sensors are to the turbo. Innovate says 18" in their manual. 700whp is going to make those sensors pretty hot.
Yeah. Not only that, but with them being that close to the engine, they're going to affect the exhaust stream exiting the turbine, and cause more backpressure vs. running the sensors further away where they would not significantly affect the flow from the turbine. That said, my Innovate WB is more like 30" from the turbine.
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Post by: Joseph Davis on November 17, 2009, 05:53:59 PM
the sweet o2 sensors right in front of each other and 8" off the turbo.

Looks like 2" and 5" respectively to my eyes, but yup that was it.  

You are supposed to place wideband sensors a minimum of ten exhaust diameters downstream, which is 30+ inches from the turbine exit.  The more those sensors are overheated the leaner they will read.
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Post by: oinesra on November 17, 2009, 06:07:41 PM
Um, if its an oxygen sensor shouldn't it be on the intake side?
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Post by: Joseph Davis on November 17, 2009, 06:08:54 PM
Troll.
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Post by: ryan89crx on November 17, 2009, 06:18:47 PM
You are supposed to place wideband sensors a minimum of ten exhaust diameters downstream
really? seems like a long ways downstream. i guess mine is about 18" too close lol
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Post by: Joseph Davis on November 17, 2009, 06:34:35 PM
The concern is overheating the sensor.  There isn't really a too far as the sensor heats itself... under any real load the exhaust is travelling really quickly so lag in exhaust getting to the sensor is a non-issue.
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Post by: Whitey on November 17, 2009, 07:05:24 PM
Um, if its an oxygen sensor shouldn't it be on the intake side?


lol. Well played   :yes:
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Post by: Ntrain2k on November 17, 2009, 07:15:49 PM
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Post by: random-strike on November 17, 2009, 07:16:38 PM
Um, if its an oxygen sensor shouldn't it be on the intake side?

no it should be on the outside of the car
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Post by: 92CXyD on November 17, 2009, 07:33:52 PM
Do you think that bisi's car will be faster than an evo? I hear that evos are fucking garbage. They say the the trannys in the MRs are just a six speed version of a geometro tranny.

I was also wondering, if you are paying so much money for an MR, why can't you even get carpet in the trunk? And what is evo carpet made of? African pubic hair? That shit just holds on to dirt like a jew to a penny.

They say that the ones that came in silver are the biggest pieces of shit out or all evos. If you have a silver evo, you have the bov routed to the drivers seat, so it will blow into your ass, since that is what faggots like.

Please stop, you are reinforcing our view of you. :?:
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Post by: bigdaddyvtec on November 17, 2009, 07:58:36 PM
excellence

Quote from: steelbluesleepR;2306370
are you an engineer or even taken the BASICS of engineering classes?  if not, then i'm pretty sure bisi has you beat in knowlege of structural integrity and metallurgy.  he has a Ph.d. having sutdied various different enginering fields.  the software he uses can EASILY tell if it will crack at elevated temperatures or not and i can guarantee that he has done that.  also, he uses the best quality stainless steel with very specific sizes and wall thicknesses and designs the manifold with those in mind.

in short, dont be an idiot and call BS on people that do this for a living and do it VERY well.

Bisi is a really nice guy, smart too... BUUT.....

Once you get off of Bisis ballsack, answer for me the following KPLS?

How many boosted setups have you put together? How many manifolds built? How many cars tuned??  Its OBVIOUS you have about as much of an idea how structurally sound that manifold is as he does... Id venture to say I know of the 321, what its caveats are and WHY he used it ( The thought processs is on point, but that manifold isnt braced for shit and WILL break, the WG merge WIll crack) Do you???  If so youd know that even though its less prone to thermal expansion and contraction, that the construction itself lends itself to its shortcomings (well that and its 16 fucking guage)....


How much power are you making right now??? How much do you understand about the fundamental basics of what im even mentioning in the first place????  Id venture to say I have a MUCH better working knowledge than do you on the subject son...

Idiot???  Hahahaha Ok Supergenius....  WHEN that manifold breaks (not that it will ever be mentioned here)  Remember...  When you are looking in a mirror youre staring at the real problem.

Mods, Ill be nice, but it is what it is.

Bisi does NA very well... So far by this build there are a few things that are suspect....  Its pretty evident if you actually have a clue about what works, why and what doesnt.

I wont even get into the failure of his turbo cams here as my statementt was based at concerns I saw on the setup.

In short, maybe you should keep your nose out of things YOU dont understand.


"bump"
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Post by: ScorpioMk on November 17, 2009, 08:05:27 PM
http://www.cslacker.com/images/funny/meme/demotivational/whos_awesome/ (http://www.cslacker.com/images/funny/meme/demotivational/whos_awesome/)

saw this, thought youd like it spiker
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Post by: bigdaddyvtec on November 17, 2009, 08:16:06 PM
No you are....


LOL...


I LOED, HArd... hahahahaha that chick is on my Myspace page :yes:
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Post by: chris on November 17, 2009, 08:25:32 PM
Bisi has a p.h.d and dyno's hondas for a living? Really ::)



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Post by: turbob16hatch on November 17, 2009, 08:29:43 PM
Bisi has a p.h.d and dyno's hondas for a living? Really ::)

That right there proves he is full of shit....  O0
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Post by: chris on November 17, 2009, 08:30:51 PM
Also does Bisi weld his manifolds=no
Does bisi machine his own parts=no
Does bisi do his own port work=no
Does bisi regrind his own cams=no
Does bisi do any of his engine machining=no
Did bisi ever do any of the headwork on any of his motors=no



So he is Doctor in letting other people do his work?
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Post by: ApexSilver06MR on November 17, 2009, 08:40:52 PM
Do you think that bisi's car will be faster than an evo? I hear that evos are fucking garbage. They say the the trannys in the MRs are just a six speed version of a geometro tranny.

I was also wondering, if you are paying so much money for an MR, why can't you even get carpet in the trunk? And what is evo carpet made of? African pubic hair? That shit just holds on to dirt like a jew to a penny.

They say that the ones that came in silver are the biggest pieces of shit out or all evos. If you have a silver evo, you have the bov routed to the drivers seat, so it will blow into your ass, since that is what faggots like.

i ran 13.3 @ 105 in a stock 06MR with 600 miles on it in 110+ deg weather. 

pretty fast stock car imo
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Post by: PhilStubbs on November 17, 2009, 08:55:46 PM
I think what annoys me the most are the people that argue for him. I can't believe these people have such a lack of life that they have to make come backs for him. Then again, I guess he doesn't do much himself, why argue to without help too.

All that aside, he has done some amazing things. I just don't see 700whp on 91 octane. I haven't messed with meth injection though.
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Post by: bigdaddyvtec on November 17, 2009, 09:06:40 PM
HAHAHAHAHAH

Thats where the dynapack goodness comes in. It would have been one thing if he waould have said pump gas, meant it and did it... And not tried to sidestep the manifold ?s and callouts. SOOOO...  Looks like Im not the only one that doesnt think its gong to be solid???

  I predict the WG falling off. At least unless he fucking braces everything via some sort of bracket aperatus or some shit... Never the less...


I would have really lliked to see an F
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Post by: PhilStubbs on November 17, 2009, 09:30:18 PM
even without the manifold problem, 7 biills will be tough. maybe with a little spray?

i have a feeling the manifold will hold up for tuning and making the power if he does end up hitting his mark, but a couple passes down the track and that turbo will be dragging the ground behind him by the oil feed line.

what sucks about being Bisi is that he is being forced to do this. i dont think he cares one bit about boost, but since some e-thugs give him shit that he "cant" build a boosted setup, he has to do it.
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Post by: 97Econobox on November 17, 2009, 09:42:48 PM
Am i really the only one who gets Aresnio?  Holy shit i love a good troll, im surprised at the folks he gets to bite.

Hil-arious.
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Post by: d112crzy on November 18, 2009, 02:11:21 AM
So apparently, Speed Factory told Bisi that all the negative comments made in his HT build thread were "hoax's to hurt his business".

I got that straight from Bisi, a message he sent one of my customers on another forum.

Quote from: Bisi
I sought info on the HT guys in WA, and spoke to SpeedFactory. The info was all hoax's geared towards hurting out business. The Mods on HT reacted as well

Danz, I suggest you speak to the guys at SF and set them straight on your story.
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Post by: bigdaddyvtec on November 18, 2009, 02:43:54 AM
So apparently, Speed Factory told Bisi that all the negative comments made in his HT build thread were "hoax's to hurt his business".

I got that straight from Bisi, a message he sent one of my customers on another forum.

Quote from: Bisi
I sought info on the HT guys in WA, and spoke to SpeedFactory. The info was all hoax's geared towards hurting out business. The Mods on HT reacted as well

Danz, I suggest you speak to the guys at SF and set them straight on your story.


IDK man I know Matt at least pretty well and dont see him doing anything of the sort... 

I could be wrong   but IDK It dont sound like him - or them...  I dont think BISI is a LIAR either... Sounds like something got lost in translation/communication.... MAYBE twisted by  Bisi a tad, but shit hes takin heat in those threads...Ca you blame him???  LOL. SUrely whatever you guys are seeing first hand isnt to hurt his bisi-ness (get it) its to set some shit straight THATS what hurt feelings on HT


... Matt James Kevin Ricky... ALL of those guys at Speedfactory are cool... In fact if I were to take my car to a shop locally thats where Id go. Id take that info with a grain of salt.
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Post by: d112crzy on November 18, 2009, 02:50:42 AM
I'm sure there is something being lost or made up in the middle of this.

I think that Bisi called up SF and asked if the claims danz was making were true. Danz and James never felt like it was the Bisi cams fault for the shitty power(at first). Danz changed the cam, got retuned and had better results. I don't think James knew about this, so he probably told Bisi that it was a lie.

that, or Bisi is stretching a few things..Which I wouldn't put past him. either way, I think this all needs to be straightened out by letting both parties know wtf is going on.
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Post by: danz on November 18, 2009, 03:49:19 AM
who knows, i dont even care. 

it doesnt really effect me either way now so meh
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Post by: JFK78 on November 18, 2009, 05:06:22 AM
I'm sure there is something being lost or made up in the middle of this.

I think that Bisi called up SF and asked if the claims danz was making were true. Danz and James never felt like it was the Bisi cams fault for the shitty power(at first). Danz changed the cam, got retuned and had better results. I don't think James knew about this, so he probably told Bisi that it was a lie.

that, or Bisi is stretching a few things..Which I wouldn't put past him. either way, I think this all needs to be straightened out by letting both parties know wtf is going on.

I have tried to avoid being a part of all this crap, as I hate the drama. But I guess it's time to say my piece on the subject.  :P

Yes 'Bisi spoke with me about this. Apparently people were telling him that I was somehow the source of all the bashing coming from Washington.  This is not true at all, as I'm not that type of person.  I don't even know most of the guys making the comments and as far as Danz is concerned, he already posted his experience and opinions plenty of times, I don't feel the need to rehash it.

Everyone has their individual experiences and opinions, so be it. I just don't agree with all the bad mouthing. 'Bisi is going to do some things differently with his turbo setup than those of us who have been doing turbo stuff for years, but that's not a bad thing IMO. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. He chose a lofty 700hp goal utilizing unleaded gasoline and water-meth injection - a nice goal to shoot for IMO. This has never been done on a turbo D, and he never claimed "pump gas" only.     

 I personally have had only good experiences dealing with 'Bisi and his products. He has always been helpful, willing to give(and take) advice, and a genuinely good person.

As far his turbo cams for D-series, I have tuned a few cars with the 1.2 cam, and they all seemed to make a little more power than a stock cam, carrying power a bit better than a stock cam. This is what I would expect from a mild cam. Danz car was the worst result I've seen, but I don't normally deal with the non-vtec variants and felt that there were other contributing factors to the poor results. If he then retuned with another cam that worked better on his setup with no other changes, then so be it.

'Bisi and I worked together on developing the new 3.6 cam for extreme setups that are run to very high rpm based on his calculations and what we saw with the 609 build and some things that we disliked about the 59500 cam.

I truly don't believe that he would sell a cam profile unless he had already tested it and seen favorable results. He's not an idiot like some would portray him. He designs and wrenches on his own stuff, and is extremely knowledgeable.

I can see how his manner of speech and "salesman" like approach to things can be a turn-off to some, but he's not hurting anybody - he's a genuine guy, and an asset to the import performance community. I just wish others could see that there is no value in bashing on him, unless it's just for your own entertainment.

- James @ SpeedFactory
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Post by: d112crzy on November 18, 2009, 06:02:06 AM
Why are you putting an " ' " before Bisi? That's his name, there's nothing before the B.

But explain then, why Bisi said that it was a "hoax" to hurt his business after speaking with you? I find it insulting that he doesn't even show real concern about peoples bad experiences, instead dismisses it as "hating".

As for the pump thing, he doesn't actually mention the use of meth injection, instead only posts pictures and advertises his build as making 700hp on pump. Nothing more, nothing less. He leaves out little, but important, details about certain things which can be, and usually are, misleading to the public.
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Post by: turbob16hatch on November 18, 2009, 09:24:55 AM
I'm sure there is something being lost or made up in the middle of this.

I think that Bisi called up SF and asked if the claims danz was making were true. Danz and James never felt like it was the Bisi cams fault for the shitty power(at first). Danz changed the cam, got retuned and had better results. I don't think James knew about this, so he probably told Bisi that it was a lie.

that, or Bisi is stretching a few things..Which I wouldn't put past him. either way, I think this all needs to be straightened out by letting both parties know wtf is going on.

I have tried to avoid being a part of all this crap, as I hate the drama. But I guess it's time to say my piece on the subject.  :P

Yes 'Bisi spoke with me about this. Apparently people were telling him that I was somehow the source of all the bashing coming from Washington.  This is not true at all, as I'm not that type of person.  I don't even know most of the guys making the comments and as far as Danz is concerned, he already posted his experience and opinions plenty of times, I don't feel the need to rehash it.

Everyone has their individual experiences and opinions, so be it. I just don't agree with all the bad mouthing. 'Bisi is going to do some things differently with his turbo setup than those of us who have been doing turbo stuff for years, but that's not a bad thing IMO. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. He chose a lofty 700hp goal utilizing unleaded gasoline and water-meth injection - a nice goal to shoot for IMO. This has never been done on a turbo D, and he never claimed "pump gas" only.     

 I personally have had only good experiences dealing with 'Bisi and his products. He has always been helpful, willing to give(and take) advice, and a genuinely good person.

As far his turbo cams for D-series, I have tuned a few cars with the 1.2 cam, and they all seemed to make a little more power than a stock cam, carrying power a bit better than a stock cam. This is what I would expect from a mild cam. Danz car was the worst result I've seen, but I don't normally deal with the non-vtec variants and felt that there were other contributing factors to the poor results. If he then retuned with another cam that worked better on his setup with no other changes, then so be it.

'Bisi and I worked together on developing the new 3.6 cam for extreme setups that are run to very high rpm based on his calculations and what we saw with the 609 build and some things that we disliked about the 59500 cam.

I truly don't believe that he would sell a cam profile unless he had already tested it and seen favorable results. He's not an idiot like some would portray him. He designs and wrenches on his own stuff, and is extremely knowledgeable.

I can see how his manner of speech and "salesman" like approach to things can be a turn-off to some, but he's not hurting anybody - he's a genuine guy, and an asset to the import performance community. I just wish others could see that there is no value in bashing on him, unless it's just for your own entertainment.

- James @ SpeedFactory

I have no idea who you are but that right there sounds like ass kissing.  You sao "if you made more power after a cam change then so be it" well isn't that the point . there shouldn't be massive gains by switching to a new cam, this is a performance cam......  :?:

and on a side not NO ONE has touched on the fucked graphs he posts. Yeah no big deal right?

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Post by: Joseph Davis on November 18, 2009, 10:12:27 AM
'Bisi is going to do some things differently with his turbo setup than those of us who have been doing turbo stuff for years, but that's not a bad thing IMO. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. He chose a lofty 700hp goal utilizing unleaded gasoline and water-meth injection - a nice goal to shoot for IMO. This has never been done on a turbo D, and he never claimed "pump gas" only.     

It's also a recreational impossibility.  I can see making a large (100-125 whp) increase in knock limit over popularly "understood" limits by increasing head flow and raising the point at which the engine makes and carries torque efficiently, but you're not hitting 700whp (in anything that traps like 700whp) with unleaded gasoline as your primary fuel.  Here are my points:

- Stock injectors for gasoline and big secondaries for methanol, ok, but conventional water/meth results in a 15% increase in knock limit.  On a conventional gasoline D16 with water/diluent injection, non injected 325 whp --> water/meth injected 375 whp for a stock cam/port car.  You can even break 400 by a bit if you aren't alarmed by the engine's timing requirement dropping off like a stone because it's at the edge of knock and the gasoline is volatile.  Add in some big port/valve mojo and a good cam and I can see brushing against 500-550 and it might even brush 500 on a heartbreaker Mustang dyno with corrections not applied. 

- Dynamic compression ratio is an interesting thing, but the static rating of 9:1 is still a primary factor.  You have to have a combustion chamber big enough to support the fuel/air mass that is burning inside of it and 9:1 on a small bore motor is pretty limiting.  Period.  End of story.  Argue with Ricardo or Vizard or God Almighty.


Anyway, I can appreciate your point on everything else, James, and thank you for tossing it in.  I'm glad that a lot of the 1.2's are working correctly for you and therefore others, but I know that there is a problem with them/some of them whether it's caused by an error in Bisi's design, an error at Web during grinding, etc. 
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Post by: d112crzy on November 18, 2009, 01:08:14 PM
quote fail
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Post by: Joseph Davis on November 18, 2009, 01:31:00 PM
I fail at many things.
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Post by: d112crzy on November 18, 2009, 01:32:44 PM
Except being bald. You're great at that.
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Post by: PhilStubbs on November 18, 2009, 02:02:52 PM
he was even given a pretty good chance to fail at baldness in the form of rogaine and still managed to knock it out of the park.
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Post by: Joseph Davis on November 18, 2009, 02:05:30 PM
Eh, that shit's chemical as hell.  I'd rather have my health.
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Post by: PhilStubbs on November 18, 2009, 02:10:23 PM
health over hair? what is this world coming to?
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: bigdaddyvtec on November 18, 2009, 02:14:33 PM
I have respect for you James, all of you guys are good to me... and in no way am I pointing any kind of finger, but to clear something up... He does indeed portray that the build is a pump gas build. On multiple occasions on multiple sites.

Its not.

Not that it matters a whole lot (It bothers me).


I take your knowledge on the limits of the D as the best around (as its been proven that you know how tro make power on it).







JD:  Youre a dick  LOL  I kid. I kid
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Joseph Davis on November 18, 2009, 02:16:43 PM
JD:  Youre a dick  LOL  I kid. I kid

You make a factual, verifiable statement and then you're kidding?  About what?  I'm confused.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: PhilStubbs on November 18, 2009, 02:17:57 PM
even if he does it with 91 octane and meth injection, its quite a feat. i agree that its not "pump gas" numbers, but its still insane.

either way i am curious to see what happens. i love the little D and i think its awesome when people push them.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: PhilStubbs on November 18, 2009, 02:20:11 PM
i think more than that. i dont see 700 in his future, but he better make more than 500 with all of that shit he has in the car
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Joseph Davis on November 18, 2009, 02:23:16 PM
i think more than that. i dont see 700 in his future, but he better make more than 500 with all of that shit he has in the car

+1
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: bigdaddyvtec on November 18, 2009, 02:34:53 PM
i think more than that. i dont see 700 in his future, but he better make more than 500 with all of that shit he has in the car

+1
501 horsepowers


On the meth I can see 575 MAYBE 6, I just dont see 700 WHP
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: QikEnuF on November 18, 2009, 02:51:29 PM
He will make 400whp on 66% throttle.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: ratcityrex on November 18, 2009, 03:24:37 PM
I dont ever think about power at the crank, because 90% of the people when you talk about power think of at the wheels. On that note I think he will make 700 crank hp. If the jfk and his crew did 609, i think fizzy will make it. The only thing I see with his problem (like JD said) it the 9:XX.1 compression. I feel that the reason that the vitaras make such great numbers is due to the low comp. The reason hes staying quite about the whole thing is he just got raped online and he knows where his place is in the food chain. Im sure he has dynoed his shit and failed on a huge scale, and is now changing everything b4 he post up his numbers.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: snm95ls on November 18, 2009, 03:29:13 PM
Super Street has coverage on this until March of next year...


Considering the lead times on magazine stories, I am sure it is very close to dyno time or has alreayd been on the dyno.

Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: crttaz on November 18, 2009, 03:32:24 PM
Why are you putting an " ' " before Bisi? That's his name, there's nothing before the B.


'Bisi is the proper spelling

Quote
About me:
I am 'Bisi, also known as Bisimoto, and Dr. Bisi. Owner and founder of Bisimoto Engineering Inc.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: ratcityrex on November 18, 2009, 03:34:05 PM
Was the 609 build on pump gas?

I don't believe so.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Joseph Davis on November 18, 2009, 03:45:37 PM
There's a reason why everyone ignored D-series as power makers for years, and then with the advent of Vitaras w/ 7.5:1 CR suddenly everyone and their retarded brother can break 400 whp on stock head off their first Crome tune - and have it last a while.  It isn't because Vitaras saved them $300 on the price of pistons or anything. 

Small bore engines like the CR piled on when NA, and they absolutely hate it when breathed on. You can sidestep this to a great extent with an interesting cam, port/valve changes biasing the power upwards in the rpm band and maintaining it there, as well as making it easy for the engine to breathe with a good IM/turbo kit.  But.  The primary limitation, to which everything is secondary, is the bore size which dictates how easy the piston is to push down.  At some point the combustion chamber at TDC is too small to fit any more fuel/air mass and the only thing you can do to make more power is to open it up.  Common 60's V8 knowledge.  Common 20's internal combustion engineering knowledge.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: PhilStubbs on November 18, 2009, 03:47:42 PM
Was the 609 build on pump gas?

no

Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: patsmx5 on November 18, 2009, 03:51:09 PM
There's a reason why everyone ignored D-series as power makers for years, and then with the advent of Vitaras w/ 7.5:1 CR suddenly everyone and their retarded brother can break 400 whp on stock head off their first Crome tune - and have it last a while.  It isn't because Vitaras saved them $300 on the price of pistons or anything. 

Small bore engines like the CR piled on when NA, and they absolutely hate it when breathed on. You can sidestep this to a great extent with an interesting cam, port/valve changes biasing the power upwards in the rpm band and maintaining it there, as well as making it easy for the engine to breathe with a good IM/turbo kit.  But.  The primary limitation, to which everything is secondary, is the bore size which dictates how easy the piston is to push down.  At some point the combustion chamber at TDC is too small to fit any more fuel/air mass and the only thing you can do to make more power is to open it up.  Common 60's V8 knowledge.  Common 20's internal combustion engineering knowledge.
That's just ridiculous. :)
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: JFK78 on November 18, 2009, 03:57:11 PM
Why are you putting an " ' " before Bisi? That's his name, there's nothing before the B.

But explain then, why Bisi said that it was a "hoax" to hurt his business after speaking with you? I find it insulting that he doesn't even show real concern about peoples bad experiences, instead dismisses it as "hating".

As for the pump thing, he doesn't actually mention the use of meth injection, instead only posts pictures and advertises his build as making 700hp on pump. Nothing more, nothing less. He leaves out little, but important, details about certain things which can be, and usually are, misleading to the public.

There is a " ' " before, that's why I put it there. 'Bisi is an abbreviation of his full name.

I'm not here to defend 'Bisi and his business, that's not my job. I just came on here to share my personal experience with him and my viewpoint on the whole thing.

I disagree on the "pump gas" thing completely. From what I've seen, many have read the words "unleaded fuel" and immediately assumed 91-94oct. pump gas and then went on about that.

From what I have seen/read, the build is titled "QUEST FOR 700hp". That means it is a goal he is shooting for with this build, whether it happens or not. He clearly stated many times that it would utilize unleaded fuel and water-meth injection. He also stated that he would change things in the setup as needed to help achieve his goal.

UNLEADED FUEL encompasses alot more choices than just pump gas. I think everyone has been missing that and the fact that it's just a goal, if it doesn't happen that's OK. It's still gonna make big power. 


I have no idea who you are but that right there sounds like ass kissing.  You sao "if you made more power after a cam change then so be it" well isn't that the point . there shouldn't be massive gains by switching to a new cam, this is a performance cam......  :?:

and on a side not NO ONE has touched on the fucked graphs he posts. Yeah no big deal right?

Call it what you will. Once again, I'm not here to defend 'Bisi and his business, that's not my job. I just came on here to share my personal experience with him and my viewpoint on the whole thing.

I take this cam thing with a grain of salt, because I haven't had a bad experience. We have all seen plenty of builds with good cams in them not perform due to some other flaw in the combination while others utilizing the same cams excel. Point being, I think people tend to immediately blame the Bisimoto cam if they have one because they feel it's a magic bullet. Just like any part, it may work well for some and not so well for others. 'Bisi is just an easy target because he is such a public figure. If you bash on Crower or Skunk2, etc. there's no face to the name.

As far as some of the graphs he posts, they may seem odd but I don't think he fabricated them. It may just be a worst case scenario that he tuned and it made those huge gains, so he posted it. I don't know. 

It's also a recreational impossibility.  I can see making a large (100-125 whp) increase in knock limit over popularly "understood" limits by increasing head flow and raising the point at which the engine makes and carries torque efficiently, but you're not hitting 700whp (in anything that traps like 700whp) with unleaded gasoline as your primary fuel.  Here are my points:

- Stock injectors for gasoline and big secondaries for methanol, ok, but conventional water/meth results in a 15% increase in knock limit.  On a conventional gasoline D16 with water/diluent injection, non injected 325 whp --> water/meth injected 375 whp for a stock cam/port car.  You can even break 400 by a bit if you aren't alarmed by the engine's timing requirement dropping off like a stone because it's at the edge of knock and the gasoline is volatile.  Add in some big port/valve mojo and a good cam and I can see brushing against 500-550 and it might even brush 500 on a heartbreaker Mustang dyno with corrections not applied. 

- Dynamic compression ratio is an interesting thing, but the static rating of 9:1 is still a primary factor.  You have to have a combustion chamber big enough to support the fuel/air mass that is burning inside of it and 9:1 on a small bore motor is pretty limiting.  Period.  End of story.  Argue with Ricardo or Vizard or God Almighty.

Anyway, I can appreciate your point on everything else, James, and thank you for tossing it in.  I'm glad that a lot of the 1.2's are working correctly for you and therefore others, but I know that there is a problem with them/some of them whether it's caused by an error in Bisi's design, an error at Web during grinding, etc. 

JD, thanks for the education on water-meth injection. I personally have no experience with it. Your arguement here seems logical against straight pump gas. But based on my comments above regarding the use of unleaded fuel and the other options that includes, do you think it's feasable on say the Torco 108 unleaded?

I have respect for you James, all of you guys are good to me... and in no way am I pointing any kind of finger, but to clear something up... He does indeed portray that the build is a pump gas build. On multiple occasions on multiple sites.

Its not.

Not that it matters a whole lot (It bothers me).


I take your knowledge on the limits of the D as the best around (as its been proven that you know how tro make power on it).


Thanks Spiker. I never got that impression anywhere in anything printed in the magazine articles/forums or out of 'Bisi's mouth. All I read was "unleaded fuel" and the intended use of water-meth injection to try and reach a 700hp goal, and that changes would be made if needed to try and achieve it.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: danz on November 18, 2009, 04:12:16 PM
I don't even know most of the guys making the comments and as far as Danz is concerned, he already posted his experience and opinions plenty of times, I don't feel the need to rehash it.

As far his turbo cams for D-series, I have tuned a few cars with the 1.2 cam, and they all seemed to make a little more power than a stock cam, carrying power a bit better than a stock cam. This is what I would expect from a mild cam. Danz car was the worst result I've seen, but I don't normally deal with the non-vtec variants and felt that there were other contributing factors to the poor results. If he then retuned with another cam that worked better on his setup with no other changes, then so be it.


when i got home from tacoma, i changed my head gasket, put new arp head studs in, and put on a stock head port matched to the Z6 intake manifold (oh and a new VC gasket, sorry about that james!!!). i ran the car like this with the tune i had, managed to run 11.79 after about 30 passes of tinkering.  from that moment onward the only change i made to the car was the Colt cam. 

NOW I MUST BE CLEAR:

there was a miscommunication between bisi and i.  the 1.2 was too mild for my goals.  i should have done more research into what other products would have been better suited to my application.  i cant blame bisi for that, and i wont, because its my fault.

its a known fact the 2.4 works well.  and the 3.6 seems to work pretty fuckin decent too.


I take this cam thing with a grain of salt, because I haven't had a bad experience. We have all seen plenty of builds with good cams in them not perform due to some other flaw in the combination while others utilizing the same cams excel. Point being, I think people tend to immediately blame the Bisimoto cam if they have one because they feel it's a magic bullet. Just like any part, it may work well for some and not so well for others.

true, i had VERY high expectations from my cam.  too high, i believe.   i really should have gone for a larger cam right off the bat.  and i cant truly blame bisi for not giving me a free cam 10 months after i bought mine... the idea is cool but its not very realistic.



anyways fuck all this bullshit.  i think the 1.22 cam would be a sick little fucker on a GT28 setup.  like woah, son.  like woah.

let it be known, im a fuck up.  my penis is small, and my face looks slightly retarded.  but not in a downs syndrome type of way, more like an autistic type of way
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: PhilStubbs on November 18, 2009, 04:16:33 PM
i was under the impression it was a pump gas goal, as in 91-93 octane. after people started doubting him, i did see him say "unleaded fuel" rather than pump gas.

the way i look at it, if you cant drive your car to the pump, put your credit card in and fill up, its not pump gas.

i am in no way a Bisi hater. i was excited when i first saw this. there just seems to be some back peddaling.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: 92CXyD on November 18, 2009, 04:26:49 PM
Some stations in Cali and Ontario (and I'm sure other places too) have 100 octane pump gas.

I would love to have 100 octane fuel in my area.

I have to order from Denver c16 or the like to get any good fuel. :?:
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: PhilStubbs on November 18, 2009, 04:44:24 PM
Some stations in Cali and Ontario (and I'm sure other places too) have 100 octane pump gas.

i think i would be ok calling that pump gas, seeeing that there is a sunoco near me that has it too
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Robb on November 18, 2009, 04:49:01 PM
I dont even care about the dude's build.  700hp. Ok.  Whatever.

The nutswingers over there make me wanna puke.  Id rather be driving a slow pos than all up on his shit. 

On a side note, does anybody else find the VW banner ad as funny and ironic as I do? Maybe its just me.  :P
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: 97Econobox on November 18, 2009, 04:57:28 PM
Some stations in Cali and Ontario (and I'm sure other places too) have 100 octane pump gas.

i think i would be ok calling that pump gas, seeeing that there is a sunoco near me that has it too

There arent any pump gas stations here in VA with that.  we have Cam 2 and full on race gas at teh pump in very select places.  But as far as Im concerned 91\93 is pump.  anything else or more is not pump.  few places have anythign more than 91\92 on pump gerneraly speaking.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: bigdaddyvtec on November 18, 2009, 05:05:49 PM
Ya man no shot I'm with that.101unleaded is racegas. Jesus. What's so Fucking hard to grasp....  if you can't get it at your local corner gas station of the big three..87 89 and whatever the premium rating is its not fucking pumpgas per say by any halfway realistic person
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: bigdaddyvtec on November 18, 2009, 05:11:35 PM
I'll add this he says I'm his posts that this is a street cat and be wants it to ne a true street car that runs readily available fuel. We have 101 on a couple places here... trick 101  .  It's not readily available here... so I know god dam well it isnt there.

Whatever.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: random-strike on November 18, 2009, 05:22:48 PM
when you read 92 on the pump, that just means it can be up to 92. it doesn't mean that it is always 92 octane.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: PhilStubbs on November 18, 2009, 05:35:21 PM
do they have e85 out there? that might be a solution around the problem
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: 92CXyD on November 18, 2009, 05:36:07 PM
when you read 92 on the pump, that just means it can be up to 92. it doesn't mean that it is always 92 octane.

92 on pump means at least 92, can not be below 92.

Here in Wyoming the fuel is checked regularly by the State Ag. department.
I talked to the guys that test the fuel and they said it can be over the rating but not under.

We have a branch of stations that use to put water in their 10% ethonal fuel and got caught.
But they still do it occasionally. :?:

Which sucks if you own any vehicles with paper element in the fuel filter (i.e. GM with fram G3727 and equivalent).
Water gets in them and the paper element swells up and blocks off the fuel flow. :o

Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: patsmx5 on November 18, 2009, 05:39:15 PM
A good fuel filter will stop water. You always run a fine micron filter on a diesel for this reason, cause usually it's better to kill the engine from lack of fuel and have to change the fuel filter then to get water in the injection system.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Robb on November 18, 2009, 05:40:07 PM
do they have e85 out there? that might be a solution around the problem

E85 is actually E70 in the winter.  Re-tune is a good idea.  

I prefer the E85 route myself.  Keep it simple.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: random-strike on November 18, 2009, 05:48:27 PM
when you read 92 on the pump, that just means it can be up to 92. it doesn't mean that it is always 92 octane.

92 on pump means at least 92, can not be below 92.

Here in Wyoming the fuel is checked regularly by the State Ag. department.
I talked to the guys that test the fuel and they said it can be over the rating but not under.

We have a branch of stations that use to put water in their 10% ethonal fuel and got caught.
But they still do it occasionally. :?:

Which sucks if you own any vehicles with paper element in the fuel filter (i.e. GM with fram G3727 and equivalent).
Water gets in them and the paper element swells up and blocks off the fuel flow. :o



you are right i got it ass backwards
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Random Hero on November 18, 2009, 06:16:44 PM
ride SF's dick spiker riiiddddee!!!  O0



nigger


*edit*

I didn't do much but skim through this post. But isn't this engine getting dyno'd on an engine dyno? so 700hp isnt that unrealistic if you think he can make 575whp.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Joseph Davis on November 18, 2009, 07:08:16 PM
It's also a recreational impossibility.  I can see making a large (100-125 whp) increase in knock limit over popularly "understood" limits by increasing head flow and raising the point at which the engine makes and carries torque efficiently, but you're not hitting 700whp (in anything that traps like 700whp) with unleaded gasoline as your primary fuel.  Here are my points:

- Stock injectors for gasoline and big secondaries for methanol, ok, but conventional water/meth results in a 15% increase in knock limit.  On a conventional gasoline D16 with water/diluent injection, non injected 325 whp --> water/meth injected 375 whp for a stock cam/port car.  You can even break 400 by a bit if you aren't alarmed by the engine's timing requirement dropping off like a stone because it's at the edge of knock and the gasoline is volatile.  Add in some big port/valve mojo and a good cam and I can see brushing against 500-550 and it might even brush 500 on a heartbreaker Mustang dyno with corrections not applied. 

- Dynamic compression ratio is an interesting thing, but the static rating of 9:1 is still a primary factor.  You have to have a combustion chamber big enough to support the fuel/air mass that is burning inside of it and 9:1 on a small bore motor is pretty limiting.  Period.  End of story.  Argue with Ricardo or Vizard or God Almighty.

Anyway, I can appreciate your point on everything else, James, and thank you for tossing it in.  I'm glad that a lot of the 1.2's are working correctly for you and therefore others, but I know that there is a problem with them/some of them whether it's caused by an error in Bisi's design, an error at Web during grinding, etc. 

JD, thanks for the education on water-meth injection. I personally have no experience with it. Your arguement here seems logical against straight pump gas. But based on my comments above regarding the use of unleaded fuel and the other options that includes, do you think it's feasable on say the Torco 108 unleaded?

Torco 110 + water injection on a 84.5mm B18C with cams, GT4094R, and a bunch of other fancy crap.  Made 410 whp at 11.5 psi, ran into a wall in the mid-600's.  All over the place from pull to pull at the same boost level, 630-670 whp.  Plugs looked hot.  Got on the phone, talked to some people.  Sewell put me in touch with a DSM guy big on water injection - apparently it all goes down the first and last runner and totally bypasses the center two cyls, most of the big power water injected Mitsufeces have about 5 degrees yanked from the center two cylinders.  I take this under advisement, and at -2.25 and -2.75 for cyls 2 and 3 respectively and at the same boost level the vehicle makes consistent 690s, and was able to get 740 with the injectors maxing out the last 500 rpms and AFRs going into the 13's.

Good luck getting a small bore D16 that has to run significantly larger cylinder pressures to make "the same" power as B-series to not hit knock limit before the B-series does.  This is part of why I have doubts, although you make a very very good point that people are confusing "unleaded fuel" with pump gas.  I fucking love vague statements like that, everyone who thinks inside the box seperates from everyone who doesn't.

All of which is beside the point... Torco's out of business, where are you getting their 108?  :P
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: TheMadScientist on November 18, 2009, 07:31:49 PM
The fact that everyone that came to defend bisi could not make an intelligent post let alone an intelligent post about why his turbo cams seem to blow proves that they have no idea what they are talking about. Maybe his stage 3.whatever make power on speedfactorys setup (congrats on making killer power on vitara's btw) but what about the rest? I have heard "many people are happy" but they haven't really posted. I here more neg. than pos. and that says alot. Defend your cams and prove me wrong please. I really want to believe that a guy this good with N/A would be able to be close to as good with boost but up till now I've seen nothing. Also everybody that's saying this is an awesome build, why? because he used lots of high end parts and a pretty manifold? woop dee doo. The proof is in the pudding let's see some numbers, some flow rates for the head, anything that proves that the money sunk into this project is worth it and is going to make anymore power at the wheels than speed factory. I know they where on race gas and he's on "unleaded" but still for the cost of this build he better come damn close if not beat it. Sorry I'm ranting but this whole "sweet build" is BS it just looks pretty I haven't seen anything too original or sweet about it.
FUCK HT
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Minor Threat on November 18, 2009, 09:15:12 PM
Sewell put me in touch with a DSM guy big on water injection - apparently it all goes down the first and last runner and totally bypasses the center two cyls, most of the big power water injected Mitsufeces have about 5 degrees yanked from the center two cylinders. 

Direct port or not?
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: PhilStubbs on November 18, 2009, 10:18:10 PM
does anyone actually do direct port meth injection? that gets my wheels turning
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: SgtB on November 18, 2009, 10:23:53 PM
I've seen auxiliary rails squirting at an angle into the velocity stack before.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Joseph Davis on November 18, 2009, 10:43:39 PM
Sewell put me in touch with a DSM guy big on water injection - apparently it all goes down the first and last runner and totally bypasses the center two cyls, most of the big power water injected Mitsufeces have about 5 degrees yanked from the center two cylinders. 

Direct port or not?

 :mexi:
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: crxvtec91 on November 18, 2009, 11:18:15 PM
BEZT POST EVERZ :?:
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: crttaz on November 19, 2009, 12:56:19 AM
Where has 'Bisi stated he'll be using pump gas on this build????

All I've read is that unleaded Spec fuel was used for the Castrol competition, but which fuel was gonna be used for this build is NOT mentioned.

If 'Bisi posted somewhere that he'd be using unleaded fuel, or pump gas for the 700 hp, please post a link.

Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: bigdaddyvtec on November 19, 2009, 01:00:18 AM
Out of curiosity what do you consider pump gas Mr bone?
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: DmC on November 19, 2009, 01:13:40 AM
It's also a recreational impossibility.  I can see making a large (100-125 whp) increase in knock limit over popularly "understood" limits by increasing head flow and raising the point at which the engine makes and carries torque efficiently, but you're not hitting 700whp (in anything that traps like 700whp) with unleaded gasoline as your primary fuel.  Here are my points:

- Stock injectors for gasoline and big secondaries for methanol, ok, but conventional water/meth results in a 15% increase in knock limit.  On a conventional gasoline D16 with water/diluent injection, non injected 325 whp --> water/meth injected 375 whp for a stock cam/port car.  You can even break 400 by a bit if you aren't alarmed by the engine's timing requirement dropping off like a stone because it's at the edge of knock and the gasoline is volatile.  Add in some big port/valve mojo and a good cam and I can see brushing against 500-550 and it might even brush 500 on a heartbreaker Mustang dyno with corrections not applied. 

- Dynamic compression ratio is an interesting thing, but the static rating of 9:1 is still a primary factor.  You have to have a combustion chamber big enough to support the fuel/air mass that is burning inside of it and 9:1 on a small bore motor is pretty limiting.  Period.  End of story.  Argue with Ricardo or Vizard or God Almighty.

Anyway, I can appreciate your point on everything else, James, and thank you for tossing it in.  I'm glad that a lot of the 1.2's are working correctly for you and therefore others, but I know that there is a problem with them/some of them whether it's caused by an error in Bisi's design, an error at Web during grinding, etc. 

JD, thanks for the education on water-meth injection. I personally have no experience with it. Your arguement here seems logical against straight pump gas. But based on my comments above regarding the use of unleaded fuel and the other options that includes, do you think it's feasable on say the Torco 108 unleaded?

Torco 110 + water injection on a 84.5mm B18C with cams, GT4094R, and a bunch of other fancy crap.  Made 410 whp at 11.5 psi, ran into a wall in the mid-600's.  All over the place from pull to pull at the same boost level, 630-670 whp.  Plugs looked hot.  Got on the phone, talked to some people.  Sewell put me in touch with a DSM guy big on water injection - apparently it all goes down the first and last runner and totally bypasses the center two cyls, most of the big power water injected Mitsufeces have about 5 degrees yanked from the center two cylinders.  I take this under advisement, and at -2.25 and -2.75 for cyls 2 and 3 respectively and at the same boost level the vehicle makes consistent 690s, and was able to get 740 with the injectors maxing out the last 500 rpms and AFRs going into the 13's.

Good luck getting a small bore D16 that has to run significantly larger cylinder pressures to make "the same" power as B-series to not hit knock limit before the B-series does.  This is part of why I have doubts, although you make a very very good point that people are confusing "unleaded fuel" with pump gas.  I fucking love vague statements like that, everyone who thinks inside the box seperates from everyone who doesn't.

All of which is beside the point... Torco's out of business, where are you getting their 108?  :P
Today I learned something.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: sewell94 on November 19, 2009, 01:19:53 AM
he was even given a pretty good chance to fail at baldness in the form of rogaine and still managed to knock it out of the park.

I'm glad someone remembered this, i got henried by JD.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: sewell94 on November 19, 2009, 01:21:10 AM
Eh, that shit's chemical as hell.  I'd rather have my health.

What did you expect the shit to be? Coco butter??
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Eggylshatch on November 19, 2009, 01:24:52 AM
does anyone actually do direct port meth injection? that gets my wheels turning

check the thread on water/meth injection in engine management
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: JFK78 on November 19, 2009, 02:45:06 AM
Torco 110 + water injection on a 84.5mm B18C with cams, GT4094R, and a bunch of other fancy crap.  Made 410 whp at 11.5 psi, ran into a wall in the mid-600's.  All over the place from pull to pull at the same boost level, 630-670 whp.  Plugs looked hot.  Got on the phone, talked to some people.  Sewell put me in touch with a DSM guy big on water injection - apparently it all goes down the first and last runner and totally bypasses the center two cyls, most of the big power water injected Mitsufeces have about 5 degrees yanked from the center two cylinders.  I take this under advisement, and at -2.25 and -2.75 for cyls 2 and 3 respectively and at the same boost level the vehicle makes consistent 690s, and was able to get 740 with the injectors maxing out the last 500 rpms and AFRs going into the 13's.

Good luck getting a small bore D16 that has to run significantly larger cylinder pressures to make "the same" power as B-series to not hit knock limit before the B-series does.  This is part of why I have doubts, although you make a very very good point that people are confusing "unleaded fuel" with pump gas.  I fucking love vague statements like that, everyone who thinks inside the box seperates from everyone who doesn't.

All of which is beside the point... Torco's out of business, where are you getting their 108?  :P

Great info. So we assume that the IM's on Hondas disperse the water-meth laden charge in nearly the same fashion as the Mitsubishi's do, but perhaps to a slightly lesser degree based on your experience? What IM was on that setup?

Regarding the Torco, I'm not, just guessing that 'Bisi might use that fuel due to his relationship with Torco. I haven't heard that they are out of business - is this true? 
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: SDRAWKCAB on November 19, 2009, 02:50:50 AM
I pooped today and Im probably going to tomorrow.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: crttaz on November 19, 2009, 04:05:48 AM
Torco 110 + water injection on a 84.5mm B18C with cams, GT4094R, and a bunch of other fancy crap.  Made 410 whp at 11.5 psi, ran into a wall in the mid-600's.  All over the place from pull to pull at the same boost level, 630-670 whp.  Plugs looked hot.  Got on the phone, talked to some people.  Sewell put me in touch with a DSM guy big on water injection - apparently it all goes down the first and last runner and totally bypasses the center two cyls, most of the big power water injected Mitsufeces have about 5 degrees yanked from the center two cylinders.  I take this under advisement, and at -2.25 and -2.75 for cyls 2 and 3 respectively and at the same boost level the vehicle makes consistent 690s, and was able to get 740 with the injectors maxing out the last 500 rpms and AFRs going into the 13's.

Good luck getting a small bore D16 that has to run significantly larger cylinder pressures to make "the same" power as B-series to not hit knock limit before the B-series does.  This is part of why I have doubts, although you make a very very good point that people are confusing "unleaded fuel" with pump gas.  I fucking love vague statements like that, everyone who thinks inside the box seperates from everyone who doesn't.

All of which is beside the point... Torco's out of business, where are you getting their 108?  :P

Great info. So we assume that the IM's on Hondas disperse the water-meth laden charge in nearly the same fashion as the Mitsubishi's do, but perhaps to a slightly lesser degree based on your experience? What IM was on that setup?

Regarding the Torco, I'm not, just guessing that 'Bisi might use that fuel due to his relationship with Torco. I haven't heard that they are out of business - is this true? 

Torco Oil, Rockett Fuels, I won't go into that discussion.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Joseph Davis on November 19, 2009, 08:26:00 AM
Great info. So we assume that the IM's on Hondas disperse the water-meth laden charge in nearly the same fashion as the Mitsubishi's do, but perhaps to a slightly lesser degree based on your experience? What IM was on that setup?

Assume nothing.  Spraying water from a single nozzle results in water droplets doing two things.  First, the ones that immediately drop out of suspension with the air run alone the charge pipe and through the throttle body and enter the first runner.  Second, the other still airborne droplets, possessing more mass and therefore more inertia, enter the IM and are thrown against the far wall of the manifold where they go down the last runner.

DSMs run single digit timing numbers at mundane power numbers, great engine and tough as nails but simply more detonation prone.  The difference in timing has nothing to do with a difference in water distribution - which while not identical between two engines can be assumed to be close enough to be ASSumed so; it all goes down 1 and 4 - the difference in timing is simply because DSMs like less timing.

Regarding the Torco, I'm not, just guessing that 'Bisi might use that fuel due to his relationship with Torco. I haven't heard that they are out of business - is this true? 

Interesting.  Their site is still up and they have new products for Nov 1st, 2009, but they were having issues a year ago.  Google "Torco bankruptcy" if you're interested.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: PhilStubbs on November 19, 2009, 09:28:33 AM
Where has 'Bisi stated he'll be using pump gas on this build????

All I've read is that unleaded Spec fuel was used for the Castrol competition, but which fuel was gonna be used for this build is NOT mentioned.

If 'Bisi posted somewhere that he'd be using unleaded fuel, or pump gas for the 700 hp, please post a link.



i was duped, like everyone else. i assumed. i need to stop doing that. i cant find Bisi saying "pump gas" anywhere. only "unleaded fuel"

Quote from: Bisimoto
In the spirit of the build, we plan on running unleaded petrol/fuel.
H-T link to quote (http://honda-tech.com/showpost.php?p=40617418&postcount=49)
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Robb on November 19, 2009, 09:35:32 AM
Where has 'Bisi stated he'll be using pump gas on this build????

All I've read is that unleaded Spec fuel was used for the Castrol competition, but which fuel was gonna be used for this build is NOT mentioned.

If 'Bisi posted somewhere that he'd be using unleaded fuel, or pump gas for the 700 hp, please post a link.



i was duped, like everyone else. i assumed. i need to stop doing that. i cant find Bisi saying "pump gas" anywhere. only "unleaded fuel"

Quote from: Bisimoto
In the spirit of the build, we plan on running unleaded petrol/fuel.
H-T link to quote (http://honda-tech.com/showpost.php?p=40617418&postcount=49)

Hmm. Thats funny, perhaps there is an edited/deleted post, as I specifically recall reading 91oct+meth or Torco 108? And I dont see that now...Maybe I suck at reading.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: d112crzy on November 19, 2009, 10:44:38 AM
I searched too. No where did I find he directly said pump gas. That was just all his nut swingers saying that. But he in no way cleared it up. That is how he misleads us. He never makes things completely clear.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: PhilStubbs on November 19, 2009, 10:56:44 AM
Hmm. Thats funny, perhaps there is an edited/deleted post, as I specifically recall reading 91oct+meth or Torco 108? And I dont see that now...Maybe I suck at reading.

im glad im not the only one that remembers reading that. i thought for sure it was in the original H-T post. i know i read 91 octane in one of his posts
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: bigdaddyvtec on November 19, 2009, 01:21:11 PM
Where has 'Bisi stated he'll be using pump gas on this build????

All I've read is that unleaded Spec fuel was used for the Castrol competition, but which fuel was gonna be used for this build is NOT mentioned.

If 'Bisi posted somewhere that he'd be using unleaded fuel, or pump gas for the 700 hp, please post a link.




i was duped, like everyone else. i assumed. i need to stop doing that. i cant find Bisi saying "pump gas" anywhere. only "unleaded fuel"

Quote from: Bisimoto
In the spirit of the build, we plan on running unleaded petrol/fuel.
H-T link to quote (http://honda-tech.com/showpost.php?p=40617418&postcount=49)





With tha quote he was COMPLETELY iincinuating pump gas.  In other posts too...  I also saw somewhere it was directly referenced.  How in the hell is 101 a readily available fuel that is an everyday solution... LET ALONE in that state???  Nigga please

Whatever... JUst molre smoke and mirrors.


After talking to Ross, we were also summizing hit sounds like he meant BHP...  630 would be  about all that was neeeded to get a 700 BHP pull (At a sparce 10 percent drivetrain loss, obviously a tad less with a bit of a more innefficient drivetrain).... And on fuckiing 101 with meth???? SHIIIIIT. If it DIDNT make it, that would be a bigger let down than danz cam.


Either way... It was left vague as well PAR for the course....
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: 2slow on November 19, 2009, 03:09:57 PM

Hmm. Thats funny, perhaps there is an edited/deleted post, as I specifically recall reading 91oct+meth or Torco 108? And I dont see that now...Maybe I suck at reading.
man i remember reading pump gas both h-t and d-series.org have alot of deleted and edited posts in the thread to get rid of all the "haterz", but in bisi's defence in the super street article it says unleaded fuel
Quote from: superstreet
In typical Bisimoto fashion, this engine combo will run on unleaded gasoline
Quote

 which sounds like they are saying its going to be using the same fuel as the 360hp n/a f22a (they talked about in the article) he built on PUMP gasoline.

like bigdaddyvtec said its all smoke and mirrors and trickery with words from him and his nut swingers
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: 2slow on November 19, 2009, 03:13:11 PM
also i suck at quoting so i dont know whats up with that quote inside a quote shit i tried to fix it but i suck
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: ryan89crx on November 19, 2009, 03:17:03 PM
i agree, there was DEFINITELY a post saying 92oct pump

shit was edited/deleted
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: ApexSilver06MR on November 19, 2009, 03:20:26 PM
i agree, there was DEFINITELY a post saying 92oct pump

shit was edited/deleted

update my post count on d-series so i can get into the classfied section nog!
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: ryan89crx on November 19, 2009, 03:22:36 PM
i agree, there was DEFINITELY a post saying 92oct pump

shit was edited/deleted

update my post count on d-series so i can get into the classfied section nog!
lol

too easy for anyone to look at your previous posts and see that shit was fucked with

you've been a member since '07, post in some shit
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: 2slow on November 19, 2009, 03:35:08 PM
also superstreet is fucking stupid becuase they also said in the same article that the build bisi is doing can be replicated for "relatively little money" i dont know about you all but that is not a cheap build at all i dont have 15-20k to drop on a wagovan
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: PhilStubbs on November 19, 2009, 03:48:57 PM
he doesnt either. im sure AEM gave him a nice xmas present a little early this year
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: crttaz on November 19, 2009, 03:50:17 PM
Where has 'Bisi stated he'll be using pump gas on this build????

All I've read is that unleaded Spec fuel was used for the Castrol competition, but which fuel was gonna be used for this build is NOT mentioned.

If 'Bisi posted somewhere that he'd be using unleaded fuel, or pump gas for the 700 hp, please post a link.





i was duped, like everyone else. i assumed. i need to stop doing that. i cant find Bisi saying "pump gas" anywhere. only "unleaded fuel"

Quote from: Bisimoto
In the spirit of the build, we plan on running unleaded petrol/fuel.
H-T link to quote (http://honda-tech.com/showpost.php?p=40617418&postcount=49)





With tha quote he was COMPLETELY iincinuating pump gas.  In other posts too...  I also saw somewhere it was directly referenced.  How in the hell is 101 a readily available fuel that is an everyday solution... LET ALONE in that state???  Nigga please

Whatever... JUst molre smoke and mirrors.


After talking to Ross, we were also summizing hit sounds like he meant BHP...  630 would be  about all that was neeeded to get a 700 BHP pull (At a sparce 10 percent drivetrain loss, obviously a tad less with a bit of a more innefficient drivetrain).... And on fuckiing 101 with meth???? SHIIIIIT. If it DIDNT make it, that would be a bigger let down than danz cam.


Either way... It was left vague as well PAR for the course....

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=252430&d=1197319229 (http://forum.e46fanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=252430&d=1197319229)

15% driveline loss, but I've never tested on a DynaPak.

Vague, you mean you have to READ rather than assume?

Great teachers make you think by not spoon feeding you all the details.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: PhilStubbs on November 19, 2009, 04:00:08 PM
bone, i know you are friends with Bisi and thats cool. i have no problem with him as a person, but something like this needs laid out facts. he says he is trying to do something that has never been done, he needs to be clear about what that goal is and not make us guess. 700+ has already been done on a D, so if he is using some race gas its not near as news worthy as people are making it out to be

there are plenty of people that can make 700whp with a D running some crazy octane and meth injection, how many can on 91-93 octane?
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: PhilStubbs on November 19, 2009, 04:46:16 PM
i think thats the point of everyone thats not a nut swinger and who saw the posts before editing
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: crttaz on November 19, 2009, 05:20:30 PM
Are you saying the project is very TOO like????
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: PhilStubbs on November 19, 2009, 05:28:52 PM
no. either way, 700whp is cool. i dont care how he goes about it. its quite the acheivement with a D. my problem is that he should be a little more clear on just how big it is. if its unleaded high octane, just say so. i dont think anyone would look down on him for going that route if it was stated right up front. the biggest problem i see if claiming pump gas and then editing posts to say unleaded
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: TheMadScientist on November 19, 2009, 05:57:55 PM
700whp hasn't even been stated. It just says 700hp which was done on vitaras by speedfactory. This build still has no results. Lots of expensive parts. If he doesn't make at least 700whp he should be kicked in the nuts and not allowed to reproduce as his spawn would certainly be just as nigtastic as him
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: bigdaddyvtec on November 19, 2009, 06:54:25 PM
Where has 'Bisi stated he'll be using pump gas on this build????

All I've read is that unleaded Spec fuel was used for the Castrol competition, but which fuel was gonna be used for this build is NOT mentioned.

If 'Bisi posted somewhere that he'd be using unleaded fuel, or pump gas for the 700 hp, please post a link.





i was duped, like everyone else. i assumed. i need to stop doing that. i cant find Bisi saying "pump gas" anywhere. only "unleaded fuel"

Quote from: Bisimoto
In the spirit of the build, we plan on running unleaded petrol/fuel.
H-T link to quote (http://honda-tech.com/showpost.php?p=40617418&postcount=49)





With tha quote he was COMPLETELY iincinuating pump gas.  In other posts too...  I also saw somewhere it was directly referenced.  How in the hell is 101 a readily available fuel that is an everyday solution... LET ALONE in that state???  Nigga please

Whatever... JUst molre smoke and mirrors.


After talking to Ross, we were also summizing hit sounds like he meant BHP...  630 would be  about all that was neeeded to get a 700 BHP pull (At a sparce 10 percent drivetrain loss, obviously a tad less with a bit of a more innefficient drivetrain).... And on fuckiing 101 with meth???? SHIIIIIT. If it DIDNT make it, that would be a bigger let down than danz cam.


Either way... It was left vague as well PAR for the course....

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=252430&d=1197319229 (http://forum.e46fanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=252430&d=1197319229)

15% driveline loss, but I've never tested on a DynaPak.

Vague, you mean you have to READ rather than assume?

Great teachers make you think by not spoon feeding you all the details.

No I mean vague.. As in vague
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Random Hero on November 19, 2009, 07:07:18 PM
Where has 'Bisi stated he'll be using pump gas on this build????

All I've read is that unleaded Spec fuel was used for the Castrol competition, but which fuel was gonna be used for this build is NOT mentioned.

If 'Bisi posted somewhere that he'd be using unleaded fuel, or pump gas for the 700 hp, please post a link.





i was duped, like everyone else. i assumed. i need to stop doing that. i cant find Bisi saying "pump gas" anywhere. only "unleaded fuel"

Quote from: Bisimoto
In the spirit of the build, we plan on running unleaded petrol/fuel.
H-T link to quote (http://honda-tech.com/showpost.php?p=40617418&postcount=49)





With tha quote he was COMPLETELY iincinuating pump gas.  In other posts too...  I also saw somewhere it was directly referenced.  How in the hell is 101 a readily available fuel that is an everyday solution... LET ALONE in that state???  Nigga please

Whatever... JUst molre smoke and mirrors.


After talking to Ross, we were also summizing hit sounds like he meant BHP...  630 would be  about all that was neeeded to get a 700 BHP pull (At a sparce 10 percent drivetrain loss, obviously a tad less with a bit of a more innefficient drivetrain).... And on fuckiing 101 with meth???? SHIIIIIT. If it DIDNT make it, that would be a bigger let down than danz cam.


Either way... It was left vague as well PAR for the course....

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=252430&d=1197319229 (http://forum.e46fanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=252430&d=1197319229)

15% driveline loss, but I've never tested on a DynaPak.

Vague, you mean you have to READ rather than assume?

Great teachers make you think by not spoon feeding you all the details.

No I mean vague.. As in vague


I saw the post that said 91 octane and now its gone. I love the politics he  is always trying to play. Everyone acts like there is something to prove. He's got nothing new.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: ryan89crx on November 19, 2009, 07:59:53 PM
well Bisi was the one that said it originally, and its obvious that he edited that out completely
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Joseph Davis on November 19, 2009, 09:21:20 PM
Are you saying the project is very TOO like????

No.  Bisi's actually trying.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: danz on November 19, 2009, 10:01:05 PM
Hmm. Thats funny, perhaps there is an edited/deleted post, as I specifically recall reading 91oct+meth or Torco 108? And I dont see that now...Maybe I suck at reading.

im glad im not the only one that remembers reading that. i thought for sure it was in the original H-T post. i know i read 91 octane in one of his posts

i can verify 100% bisi did post that it was 91 oct.  no question in my mind.

that exact verbiage is gone from the HT thread now.  not that it even matters at all....



im 99% sure the build is already done, and he made his goal, and its been on the dyno.  i suspect that is why there are 15 versions of the same build thread online, publicity is sweet, right?

i think he's doing a good job.



on a side note; ryan and 88dx hold hands when they pee
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: bigdaddyvtec on November 19, 2009, 10:35:36 PM
If by hands you mean cocks... I believe it   :yes:
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: crxvtec91 on November 19, 2009, 11:50:24 PM
CHAPPELE SHOW Charlie Murphy and RICK JAMES (THE FULL FUCK YO COUCH PART) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1dBstAIYtQ#normal)
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: 88dx on November 19, 2009, 11:58:14 PM
Hmm. Thats funny, perhaps there is an edited/deleted post, as I specifically recall reading 91oct+meth or Torco 108? And I dont see that now...Maybe I suck at reading.

im glad im not the only one that remembers reading that. i thought for sure it was in the original H-T post. i know i read 91 octane in one of his posts

i can verify 100% bisi did post that it was 91 oct.  no question in my mind.

that exact verbiage is gone from the HT thread now.  not that it even matters at all....



im 99% sure the build is already done, and he made his goal, and its been on the dyno.  i suspect that is why there are 15 versions of the same build thread online, publicity is sweet, right?

i think he's doing a good job.



on a side note; ryan and 88dx hold hands when they pee
Someone has to hold my dick so I dont spill my beer  :mexi:
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: crttaz on November 20, 2009, 02:10:20 AM
If Bisi did post the 91 octane originally, there must be one forum he forgot to update :)
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: bigdaddyvtec on November 20, 2009, 02:49:24 AM
Its not debatable as it was posted.... PUMP gas... 

Then backpeddled to "unleaded" . He used the unleaded tag to get people to think he was using REAL pump gas to make it sound like it would be a real feat (which it fcuking would, since its virtually impoossible).

101 unleaded is fucking racegas regardless... Therefore by fucking magic, actually by simple deduction and common sense. the highest "pump gas" available in CA is what 91???

 I mean "Its in the spirit of the build" right???


Jesus fuck.  oh ya, he wept too.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: crttaz on November 20, 2009, 06:18:23 AM
100/101 is pump gas, just finding a station that carries it.

Sunoco 260 GT100 (100 UL) is available 10 miles away from 'Bisi's shop.

Phillips Ranch 76
16 Village Loop Rd.
Pomona (909) 623-2429

http://www.osbornauto.com/racing/100locations.htm (http://www.osbornauto.com/racing/100locations.htm)

http://www.sunocoinc.com/Site/Consumer/RaceFuels/260GT100Locations/California.htm (http://www.sunocoinc.com/Site/Consumer/RaceFuels/260GT100Locations/California.htm)

I can get Turbo Blue at the pump about same distance from my location.

The middle pump is Turbo Blue.

http://www.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=2361+Hamilton-Cleves+Rd,+Hamilton,+Ohio&ie=UTF8&om=1 (http://www.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=2361+Hamilton-Cleves+Rd,+Hamilton,+Ohio&ie=UTF8&om=1)

goto street view, look across the street at the Marathon Station.

Just down the road, 6218 Hamilton Cleves Pike Rd, another gas station sells 100 octane pump gas.

Yes, the both are near dragstrips.....

Now, 700 hp on 100 octane with meth injection......I still don't think it will happen.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: crttaz on November 20, 2009, 06:33:52 AM
Hrm, this normal from breaking in the motor????

(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi4.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fy144%2Fbisimoto%2FPicture065.jpg&hash=b08e2f0baee9d05edddf01439e7e4444b488c23a)

(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi4.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fy144%2Fbisimoto%2FPicture061.jpg&hash=4a6a398af473dcafe27089984e2efc922764704d)

Using the large packs

(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi4.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fy144%2Fbisimoto%2FPicture062.jpg&hash=716ed99c983583521fe2bfa735f799247f67a9d8)

(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi4.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fy144%2Fbisimoto%2FPicture063.jpg&hash=8cc79c484099de2ba5da2fd4c1bf3a052a270509)

Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Robb on November 20, 2009, 09:22:58 AM
Teh not-so-stealth shuttle.  :?:


(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi4.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fy144%2Fbisimoto%2FPicture063.jpg&hash=8cc79c484099de2ba5da2fd4c1bf3a052a270509)



Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: crttaz on November 20, 2009, 09:48:27 AM
Torco has been a sponsor of him for a long time, close to 10 years that I know of,

Quote
My fuel plans:

Wastegate on 91 unleaded octane
Approximately 19 psi on 91 unleaded octane
30+ psi on 91 + AEM water meth
30+ psi on Torco 108 unleaded + AEM water-meth

At any race where water/meth is not allowed due to rules: Torco 116, leaded

I hope that clears things up.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: 92CXyD on November 20, 2009, 10:11:58 AM
Latest on the fuel issue:

From H-t  page 10;D
 Wastegate on 91 octane
Approximately 19 psi on 91 octane
30+ psi on 91 + AEM water meth
30+ psi on Torco 108 unleaded + AEM water-meth

And on a side note, I wish I caught this before is was deleted:

Also from H-T page 10  ;D
Just FYI. That last obscene picture that was posted on here late last night. Will not be tolorated!

This is a public website with all ages to view, even teenagers read these that want to get into the scene.
Please fellas no more derogatory remarks or offensive pictures. The gentleman that posted this picture is taking a vacation. I will ask nicely..

Please keep this on topic if you have something negative to say, or argue about? There is a pm button where you can resolved this, it has been known to work.

Thanks
Steve

So what was posted and was it one of the rHMT team who did it? ;D
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: PhilStubbs on November 20, 2009, 10:39:27 AM
seems odd that he would talk in terms of psi and not hp. i would think most people know psi doesnt mean shit really. then again he caters to H-T and all they know are shiny parts and psi numbers.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: turbob16hatch on November 20, 2009, 11:14:26 AM
So i wonder how much bisi is paying bone to defend pump gas.... :?:
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Joseph Davis on November 20, 2009, 12:01:41 PM
Hrm, this normal from breaking in the motor????

(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi4.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fy144%2Fbisimoto%2FPicture065.jpg&hash=b08e2f0baee9d05edddf01439e7e4444b488c23a)

Wow.   :-X

 

!
So what was posted and was it one of the rHMT team who did it? ;D


Mista Pimpsta.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Joseph Davis on November 20, 2009, 12:13:50 PM
I'd love to see what's in the VTEC screen.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: ratcityrex on November 20, 2009, 12:40:28 PM
I'd love to see what's in the VTEC screen.

The rest of his bearings..... DUHH!!!

I wonder if he even washed his block after De-burring it?

Shit after my break inn on my car I pulled the pan and wiped that fucker clean. I had no where near that much shit on my drain plug. Just super light fuzz, and no glitter in my pan ether.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: PhilStubbs on November 20, 2009, 12:49:06 PM
Bone does he have any numbers yet?

on OCO Don (SOHCinWA) says " The number are very impressive so far."

450?
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: bigdaddyvtec on November 20, 2009, 01:11:55 PM
So i wonder how much bisi is paying bone to defend pump gas.... :?:

DS\\Seriously Bone, youre being a litrtled bitch. LOL... WIPE THE BLACK OFF OF YOUR LIPS.

 :-*


Sorry 101, 108 unleaded isnt pump in my book, if it is in yours, you sir are a widebody
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Joseph Davis on November 20, 2009, 01:28:58 PM
So i wonder how much bisi is paying bone to defend pump gas.... :?:

DS\\Seriously Bone, youre being a litrtled bitch. LOL... WIPE THE BLACK OFF OF YOUR LIPS.

 :-*


Sorry 101, 108 unleaded isnt pump in my book, if it is in yours, you sir are a widebody

The fact that he couldn't make the power he originally thought he could off of true pump gas is pretty well documented in this thread for anyone coming through to view it.  And this thread IS getting a lot of hits from "guests."

If Bisi wants to spin it so it doesn't look like he's wrong about anything, ever, who really gives a shit?  I'm more concerned with the variable nature of the 1.2 turbo grinds being resolved than anything else.  Regardless of the spin put on his turbo build only good can come of it with regards to the came and other products he sells.  You can talk yourself up all you want on some forum I never go to as long as your shit works correctly.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: WPPF on November 20, 2009, 01:31:07 PM
Woof.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: danz on November 20, 2009, 02:35:47 PM
it really and truly is great marketing.

quite a lot of publicity has been gained.  props to bisi for that.

im pretty keen on watching the build to see where it goes.  im going to bet it cracks 700HP (not whp) on some kind of fuel or another.


the poo quirt pic was pretty nasty.  i liked it.  we got some dirty fucks in here.   only thing worse would have been gay porn.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: random-strike on November 20, 2009, 02:50:42 PM
that thing looks like a huge piece of shit. nice $20 pepboys fartcan muffler

Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: speedjunky01 on November 20, 2009, 02:52:09 PM
(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi5.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fy155%2Fspeedjunky01%2Fyoutube-star-chris-crocker-glitter.gif&hash=98c80eedd4ad7ef8bff5a308dc4c9b044c84b7c0)
had to be done
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: DmC on November 20, 2009, 02:53:22 PM
that thing looks like a huge piece of shit. nice $20 pepboys fartcan muffler


Yes I finally agree with Johnny coolest guy ever coolest guy ever!
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: hatchboy on November 20, 2009, 03:11:02 PM
Why isn't SOHCinWA posting anymore? He is listed on the users currently active in the last fifteen minutes.... O0
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: crttaz on November 20, 2009, 03:11:22 PM
(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi5.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fy155%2Fspeedjunky01%2Fyoutube-star-chris-crocker-glitter.gif&hash=98c80eedd4ad7ef8bff5a308dc4c9b044c84b7c0)
had to be done


BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!


No, I do not know of any of the dyno results, ask SOHCinWA, he knows the progress.


Before 'Bisi started his own place I could chat with him 1-2 times a week on AIM, since then maybe once a year.

Monday, August 18, 2008
TransBone (2:20:30 AM): late night my friend!
Bisimoto (2:21:01 AM): greetings, Sir Bone

The year is almost over and I know he is busy.

Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: 92CXyD on November 20, 2009, 03:14:50 PM
Why isn't SOHCinWA posting anymore? He is listed on the users currently active in the last fifteen minutes.... O0

Probably just snoppin' since his own site is a little bit slow. ;D
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: 2slow on November 20, 2009, 03:20:32 PM
i think it was funny that he was saying unleaded and now he is saying leaded after all. i hope he would be able to hit 700hp with $10-15k in parts and 108 race fuel, and 116 leaded   O0
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: random-strike on November 20, 2009, 03:22:54 PM
ohhh, i found the problem. his brake fluid is too warm
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: PhilStubbs on November 20, 2009, 03:24:23 PM
i dont see 700whp out of the question on c16. even on c16 its a pretty good achievement. hopefully the results are posted soon
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: 92CXyD on November 20, 2009, 03:25:48 PM
try readin'
http://www.onecamonly.com/turbo/3455-bisimotos-1st-turbo-build-700whp-d16z-wagovan-8.html (http://www.onecamonly.com/turbo/3455-bisimotos-1st-turbo-build-700whp-d16z-wagovan-8.html)

There is some interesting info around page 6 on up. :?:
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Robb on November 20, 2009, 03:34:43 PM
try readin'
http://www.onecamonly.com/turbo/3455-bisimotos-1st-turbo-build-700whp-d16z-wagovan-8.html (http://www.onecamonly.com/turbo/3455-bisimotos-1st-turbo-build-700whp-d16z-wagovan-8.html)

There is some interesting info around page 6 on up. :?:

Quote
This is how I installed mine, at an angle, spraying away from the throttle body. The theory is to have the incoming intake charge "blast" the particulates of the cooling mixture to create better atomization or a finer mist for optimal cooling.

Quote
I explored this significantly in the Fluids Dynamics class in my school curriculum when studying atomization of fluids. This is a solid concept of using high velocity/mass-flow gasses to further reduce atomized fluid particulate size. I wass not shocked when AEM even recommended the same positioning in their kit installation, for best results.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: turbob16hatch on November 20, 2009, 03:42:34 PM
Looks liek he read Max boost.....   :-\
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: 92CXyD on November 20, 2009, 03:43:30 PM
Looks liek he read Max boost.....   :-\

Yeah I was thinking the same thing. ;D
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: 2slow on November 20, 2009, 03:45:51 PM
i dont see 700whp out of the question on c16. even on c16 its a pretty good achievement. hopefully the results are posted soon
i dont think he will pst any results until super street comes out with their new issue
Looks liek he read Max boost.....   :-\
well if he did he should have read the part about manifold building and waste gate placements
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: turbob16hatch on November 20, 2009, 03:53:12 PM
i dont see 700whp out of the question on c16. even on c16 its a pretty good achievement. hopefully the results are posted soon
i dont think he will pst any results until super street comes out with their new issue
Looks liek he read Max boost.....   :-\
well if he did he should have read the part about manifold building and waste gate placements

Yeah well the dumb ass claims to be an engineer and can't make his own intake manifold? hell what about the intercooler, meth injection, fuel system, etc..... quit the product placement and build a car yourself.

golden eagle intake manifold welcome to 1999.....
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: PhilStubbs on November 20, 2009, 04:24:41 PM
try readin'
http://www.onecamonly.com/turbo/3455-bisimotos-1st-turbo-build-700whp-d16z-wagovan-8.html (http://www.onecamonly.com/turbo/3455-bisimotos-1st-turbo-build-700whp-d16z-wagovan-8.html)

There is some interesting info around page 6 on up. :?:

i see no numbers in that thread. the closest thing is Don saying the numbers look good for 91 octane, which i already posted on the last page of this thread
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: danz on November 20, 2009, 04:47:28 PM
i dont see 700whp out of the question on c16. even on c16 its a pretty good achievement. hopefully the results are posted soon
i dont think he will pst any results until super street comes out with their new issue
Looks liek he read Max boost.....   :-\
well if he did he should have read the part about manifold building and waste gate placements

Yeah well the dumb ass claims to be an engineer and can't make his own intake manifold? hell what about the intercooler, meth injection, fuel system, etc..... quit the product placement and build a car yourself.

golden eagle intake manifold welcome to 1999.....

advertising baby!  gotta plug the sponsors some how.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: 2slow on November 20, 2009, 04:57:30 PM
yeah i know you seen that super long plug for torco. thats all this build is just one big marketing tool. if people did not know who bisi is they sure do now along with all his sponcers
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: 92CXyD on November 20, 2009, 05:09:37 PM
try readin'
http://www.onecamonly.com/turbo/3455-bisimotos-1st-turbo-build-700whp-d16z-wagovan-8.html (http://www.onecamonly.com/turbo/3455-bisimotos-1st-turbo-build-700whp-d16z-wagovan-8.html)

There is some interesting info around page 6 on up. :?:

i see no numbers in that thread. the closest thing is Don saying the numbers look good for 91 octane, which i already posted on the last page of this thread

I was also refering to SOHCinWA's snoopin' around to have something to post what is being said here, D-series and H-T then he quietly deletes any posts that may offend 'Bisi. :?:
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: SOHCinWA on November 20, 2009, 05:24:35 PM

I was also refering to SOHCinWA's snoopin' around to have something to post what is being said here, D-series and H-T then he quietly deletes any posts that may offend 'Bisi. :?:
Sorry to disappoint but I have not been snooping around like you may think. My computer at my shop is always on. That doesnt mean I am in front of it all day. I do work.

As far as anyone deleting anything in threads, I cant say. No posts have been deleted on any of my sites. From what all of you have gathered on OCO is pretty much all I can say at this time. Since 'Bisi has this joint venture with the magazine. As of this moment, he is still running the car on 91 Octane.

I have a question for you all since you are all so turbo smart. Do you think James (JFK78) drives his car  on the street with his 580whp tune on it?? I dont think so. So why would you expect anyone else to do so? BTW James' still takes his car to get emission tested every other year just like everyone else does. It is still currently registered too.

For all of the fans that are fishing and poking at things, why not go out and do it yourself? If its not that hard, then go and handle it.

And I only know of one other person that has made more than 700whp with a D. So whoever comented that there are a handful, you may want to know what you are talking about first.

danz- even though you could care less about what I think. I give you respect for coming on here and stating that you were wrong. And that it was not the cam at all.. Yes the 1.2 is small. Thats like any N/A guy wanting a better cam and only going with a level 1 or a 262, etc.

Like I said. I am not allowed to say anything else with the build. But you guys should be able to read the lines. And if any of you are in Fontana on Sunday, you might just see the car there.

LOL... I have to agree with you guys on one thing... That fart can does not look right on that car.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: PhilStubbs on November 20, 2009, 05:35:21 PM
I have a question for you all since you are all so turbo smart. Do you think James (JFK78) drives his car  on the street with his 580whp tune on it?? I dont think so. So why would you expect anyone else to do so? BTW James' still takes his car to get emission tested every other year just like everyone else does. It is still currently registered too.

Quote from: Bisi on H-T
To build the most powerful street, small displacement Honda ever...in a Wagovan (just to be absurd). It would not be a dyno queen, but a car that will be driven, to and from events, shows, meets and...the supermarket.

to me, that says street driven
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Robb on November 20, 2009, 05:40:50 PM

I was also refering to SOHCinWA's snoopin' around to have something to post what is being said here, D-series and H-T then he quietly deletes any posts that may offend 'Bisi. :?:
Sorry to disappoint but I have not been snooping around like you may think. My computer at my shop is always on. That doesnt mean I am in front of it all day. I do work.

As far as anyone deleting anything in threads, I cant say. No posts have been deleted on any of my sites. From what all of you have gathered on OCO is pretty much all I can say at this time. Since 'Bisi has this joint venture with the magazine. As of this moment, he is still running the car on 91 Octane.

I have a question for you all since you are all so turbo smart. Do you think James (JFK78) drives his car  on the street with his 580whp tune on it?? I dont think so. So why would you expect anyone else to do so? BTW James' still takes his car to get emission tested every other year just like everyone else does. It is still currently registered too.

For all of the fans that are fishing and poking at things, why not go out and do it yourself? If its not that hard, then go and handle it.

And I only know of one other person that has made more than 700whp with a D. So whoever comented that there are a handful, you may want to know what you are talking about first.

danz- even though you could care less about what I think. I give you respect for coming on here and stating that you were wrong. And that it was not the cam at all.. Yes the 1.2 is small. Thats like any N/A guy wanting a better cam and only going with a level 1 or a 262, etc.

Like I said. I am not allowed to say anything else with the build. But you guys should be able to read the lines. And if any of you are in Fontana on Sunday, you might just see the car there.

LOL... I have to agree with you guys on one thing... That fart can does not look right on that car.

lol, I didnt read anyof what you just said here, just wanted to let you know, my mom's accord is faster than your car. Stock.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: SOHCinWA on November 20, 2009, 05:42:28 PM

to me, that says street driven

So you are assuming that he is not driving the car on the street?? I will leak this and let it be known that he has been driving the car on a daily basis. You can take the quote and do what you want with it. All of you people seem to try and twist everything to be negative. I dont understand. But it is ok.

Thats good for your mom Robb.. I am sure there are plenty more faster. I am not worried
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Aaron Cake on November 20, 2009, 05:45:48 PM

to me, that says street driven

So you are assuming that he is not driving the car on the street?? I will leak this and let it be known that he has been driving the car on a daily basis. You can take the quote and do what you want with it. All of you people seem to try and twist everything to be negative. I dont understand. But it is ok.

The only way that wagovan will be fast and actually last is if he has me build a rotary for it and has me tune it. My rotaries are indestructable.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: PhilStubbs on November 20, 2009, 05:50:10 PM
i dont see how what i said could be negative. you made it sound like he wasnt going to drive it on the street when on H-T he clearly is. so, if he is going to drive it on the street 91 octane pump gas would be the most available fuel for him to use. making 700hp on that is pretty much impossible with a D. im not trying to be negative, just realistic. now, if he would have originally made the thread stating something like 500hp on pump gas for daily driving and 700 with race gas for racing, most of this hating wouldnt be going on.

throwing out a huge number and then back peddling to the truth just looks bad for him.

i really hope he makes history with this thing. i love pushing the limits of the little D, he should just be a little more clear when pointing his finger over the fence Babe Ruth style.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Corey on November 20, 2009, 06:09:20 PM
it will make 700hp on pump gas.... he has a dynapack, remember  O0
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: random-strike on November 20, 2009, 06:12:54 PM
its easy to make 700hp on any dyno. just a few key strokes
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: PhilStubbs on November 20, 2009, 06:17:38 PM
yea, i dont think i could post it if i did that, much less put it in a magazine
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Aaron CupCake on November 20, 2009, 06:19:43 PM

to me, that says street driven

So you are assuming that he is not driving the car on the street?? I will leak this and let it be known that he has been driving the car on a daily basis. You can take the quote and do what you want with it. All of you people seem to try and twist everything to be negative. I dont understand. But it is ok.

The only way that wagovan will be fast and actually last is if he has me build a rotary for it and has me tune it. My rotaries are indestructable.

your rotaries might be indestructable, but my rotaries are indestructible.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: hatchbox90 on November 20, 2009, 06:22:37 PM

to me, that says street driven

So you are assuming that he is not driving the car on the street?? I will leak this and let it be known that he has been driving the car on a daily basis. You can take the quote and do what you want with it. All of you people seem to try and twist everything to be negative. I dont understand. But it is ok.

The only way that wagovan will be fast and actually last is if he has me build a rotary for it and has me tune it. My rotaries are indestructable.
This
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: random-strike on November 20, 2009, 06:31:47 PM
THE BRAKE FLUID IS TOO WARM
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: 98redcavz24 on November 20, 2009, 06:39:45 PM
i'm sick of looking at this stupid thread and i have no idea why it has as many views as it does and is about to break rhmt viewing records.

PLEASE just stop fucking posting in it :?:
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: PhilStubbs on November 20, 2009, 06:48:39 PM
ok
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: QikEnuF on November 20, 2009, 07:10:01 PM
i'm sick of looking at this stupid thread and i have no idea why it has as many views as it does and is about to break rhmt viewing records.

PLEASE just stop fucking posting in it :?:


Go build your car
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: rudebwoy on November 20, 2009, 07:10:27 PM
you guys are looking ridiculous! whats up with all the hate? the sad thing is the guys who trashing the thread never built anything of worth, he chose bad motor to prove a point, but let him finish before you cut him down. I think he shouold have picked a B, K, or H series but thats what make it interesting using a smaller motor to stick it to haters.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: hatchbox90 on November 20, 2009, 07:13:48 PM
i'm sick of looking at this stupid thread and i have no idea why it has as many views as it does and is about to break rhmt viewing records.

PLEASE just stop fucking posting in it :?:


Why?

Our thread has more post than the real build thread, and more tech too. Just no shiny parts  :-\
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: d112crzy on November 20, 2009, 07:18:34 PM
you guys are looking ridiculous! whats up with all the hate? the sad thing is the guys who trashing the thread never built anything of worth, he chose bad motor to prove a point, but let him finish before you cut him down. I think he shouold have picked a B, K, or H series but thats what make it interesting using a smaller motor to stick it to haters.

So you are on the same bandwagon as all the nutswingers and agree that questioning/criticism is hating?
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: rudebwoy on November 20, 2009, 07:25:09 PM
you guys are looking ridiculous! whats up with all the hate? the sad thing is the guys who trashing the thread never built anything of worth, he chose bad motor to prove a point, but let him finish before you cut him down. I think he shouold have picked a B, K, or H series but thats what make it interesting using a smaller motor to stick it to haters.

So you are on the same bandwagon as all the nutswingers and agree that questioning/criticism is hating?
its not about bandwaggon, its about the fact you guys hate on everything thats nice, I have nothing from bisi, but I know where respect has been earned. as I said most of you guys who are hating has never built a motor or made more than 400hp, so let the man be>
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: QikEnuF on November 20, 2009, 07:26:07 PM
We aren't dogging his build, we are dogging the fact that he dodges questions like a politician. 
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Ntrain2k on November 20, 2009, 07:28:11 PM
i'm sick of looking at this stupid thread and i have no idea why it has as many views as it does and is about to break rhmt viewing records.

PLEASE just stop fucking posting in it :?:


 O0
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: QikEnuF on November 20, 2009, 07:32:35 PM
I applaud Bense.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: ratcityrex on November 20, 2009, 07:49:12 PM
We aren't dogging his build, we are dogging the fact that he dodges questions like a politician. 

So fucking true!!!!!! SMOKE AND MIRRORS!!!!! Like Johny said Just a few key strokes away from 700hp
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: d112crzy on November 20, 2009, 07:55:30 PM
you guys are looking ridiculous! whats up with all the hate? the sad thing is the guys who trashing the thread never built anything of worth, he chose bad motor to prove a point, but let him finish before you cut him down. I think he shouold have picked a B, K, or H series but thats what make it interesting using a smaller motor to stick it to haters.

So you are on the same bandwagon as all the nutswingers and agree that questioning/criticism is hating?
its not about bandwaggon, its about the fact you guys hate on everything thats nice, I have nothing from bisi, but I know where respect has been earned. as I said most of you guys who are hating has never built a motor or made more than 400hp, so let the man be>

He has respect. Have you not seen the various times I and a handful of others have wished him well? It's not hating, idiot.

What does never having had a 400hp car have to do with anything? As far as I know, not even JD has had is OWN 400hp car. Still has nothing to do with the price of tea in China.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: danz on November 20, 2009, 08:16:14 PM
you guys are looking ridiculous! whats up with all the hate? the sad thing is the guys who trashing the thread never built anything of worth, he chose bad motor to prove a point, but let him finish before you cut him down. I think he shouold have picked a B, K, or H series but thats what make it interesting using a smaller motor to stick it to haters.

ya the hating is kind of ridiculous, but you need to shut up.   :-*
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: DRQPQUT on November 20, 2009, 08:58:11 PM
WELCOME to R-hmt
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: bigdaddyvtec on November 20, 2009, 09:09:18 PM
Hes been around ALOT longer than you fat boy.

I respect BISI

BUT his claims and backpeddleing and all the nutswinging are fucking gay.  That manifold is going to fail as well...

I gues since I get 119 trick out of a pump My car makes 650+ on pump too...   SAWEEEEEEEEET, SHit ill add Meth injection too since it doesnt change the knock limit signifigantly and make even more power on pump....
  :-X
Nigga pls

Oh wait, it has two cams, SRSLY I LOveeeee me a SOHC big block, and the lil ol D but the claims were completely mis represented and rather than deal with it...  all the focus was blamed on those that KNEW it was bullshit... Notice how BISI himself didnt really say shit (other than backpeddle???)...


By the way to the dipshit (SOHCINWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA)  that was conmplaining about people claiming there was someone here saying there are a handfull of ds making 7xx WHP, thaty was on another board dipshit... CB7 tuner IIRC, 92jdm is his screen name.

Get your shit straight. NO ONE here was dumb enough to buy it from the jump... (although some iz ridin nuts downt to the root)

BTW I run my car on full tilt boost all the time... and it makes alot more than 580... WTF is your point?  How in the fuck or why in the fuck would you bring James car into this its not relevent

Would you like a shot at seeingh how long you can read my rear licence plate in your 14 second pile of pepto bismol pink fail???

No??? I diondt htink so.

 :-*
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: chris on November 20, 2009, 09:18:38 PM
Yes
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: SOHCinWA on November 20, 2009, 09:27:09 PM
Well thanks for clearing that up for me... My apologies for saying that I saw it on here... 580 with a twin cam... That is much to be proud of as a daily driver. Congrats to you..
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: bigdaddyvtec on November 20, 2009, 09:36:31 PM
Uh... 

Ya, thats what I make faggot...


You should just not post anymore.

 Coming from a guy that is "sponsored" that talks about a trailered 14 second pile of shit and starts calling people out like its some shit when wtat he tows it with is faster than it is...


Ya youve arrived.


That just warms my heart you fruity ass fucking umbrella drilnk loving cock milking sombrerro wearing DIRTY SANCHEZ sniffing faggot

I mean, shit I make well over 600 (at the wheels mind you) on pump gas... on the same motor for 3 years... SHit Levi makes over 700WHP on Pumpgas too  NO meth either.





Meanwhile you accept Wallys for others accomplishments.


Top shelf.


when your done with Bisis, SUCK MY NUTS...
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: chris on November 20, 2009, 09:37:44 PM
Spiker also can speed shift with 2 cheeseburgers in both hands.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: bigdaddyvtec on November 20, 2009, 09:39:19 PM
QFMFT

And your mom on my nuts, shes on em like SOHCSONBISISBALLZZZZZAK
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: hatchbox90 on November 20, 2009, 09:43:45 PM
Uh... 

Ya, thats what I make faggot...


You should just not post anymore.

 Coming from a guy that is "sponsored" that talks about a trailered 14 second pile of shit and starts calling people out like its some shit when wtat he tows it with is faster than it is...


Ya youve arrived.


That just warms my heart you fruity ass fucking umbrella drilnk loving cock milking sombrerro wearing DIRTY SANCHEZ sniffing faggot

I mean, shit I make well over 600 (at the wheels mind you) on pump gas... on the same motor for 3 years... SHit Levi makes over 700WHP on Pumpgas too  NO meth either.





Meanwhile you accept Wallys for others accomplishments.


Top shelf.


when your done with Bisis, SUCK MY NUTS...

ZING?
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: QikEnuF on November 20, 2009, 09:44:04 PM
500 is mine
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: hatchbox90 on November 20, 2009, 09:44:37 PM
damn you, i was in the middle of double posting for 500  >:(
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Ntrain2k on November 20, 2009, 09:45:05 PM
Quote
That's the thing. I've watched these Bisi threads, they all turn out the same. Bisi talks this wild idea, people ask questions, he beats around the bush and doesn't answer them.

He never reveals any technical reasoning behind it, yet he posts in these technical forums. It serves no purpose other than to promote himself.

Here, lemme paint an equivalent illustration. For my courses, we are assigned homework. We have to turn it in and show all work, explain what we were thinking in the process, clean it up, show what formulas we used, what assumptions were made, conditional analysis, etc. These are vital to the engineering world. If I were to submit a homework assignment, and instead not show any work, just pictures of me sitting at desk looking at something on the desk, and then write the assignment name, and my final answer. That would be the equivalent of how these threads always turn out.

I don't think that anyone comes into these threads automatically just wanting to talk trash and bash Bisi. It's just that time and time again it turns out the same way.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: bigdaddyvtec on November 20, 2009, 09:46:30 PM
Uh... 

Ya, thats what I make faggot...


You should just not post anymore.

 Coming from a guy that is "sponsored" that talks about a trailered 14 second pile of shit and starts calling people out like its some shit when wtat he tows it with is faster than it is...


Ya youve arrived.


That just warms my heart you fruity ass fucking umbrella drilnk loving cock milking sombrerro wearing DIRTY SANCHEZ sniffing faggot

I mean, shit I make well over 600 (at the wheels mind you) on pump gas... on the same motor for 3 years... SHit Levi makes over 700WHP on Pumpgas too  NO meth either.





Meanwhile you accept Wallys for others accomplishments.


Top shelf.


when your done with Bisis, SUCK MY NUTS...

ZING?

No,STING
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: crxvtec91 on November 20, 2009, 10:04:55 PM
"lol...This is intertaining. Thanks for the kind words, for those who understand what I am doing. Shame on the guys who try to dismiss the hard work of testing and design.

I guess is since Picasso did not make his own paint, and kill the cows for the canvas he was useless as a painter.

As a reminder, the purpose for the water-meth is to ward away detonation in high boost, and it is a cost effective alternative to race fuel. Maybe the naysayers have some magic unleaded fuel that is detonation proof at 30 or so psi.

I love constructive criticism, but trying to discredit and ruin someone's thred on purpose is quite low. I am suprised at some of my d-series brothers.

More pics to come!"

This came off another site, the picasso part is a bit over the top.....
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Sinister on November 20, 2009, 10:21:37 PM
100 years from now no one will know who the fuck Bisi is. Picasso will still be known.

Hell, even amongst the car guys I know, outside of the Honduh guys no one knows who he is.  :?:
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: dvst8r on November 20, 2009, 10:43:08 PM
100 years from now no one will know who the fuck Bisi is. Picasso will still be known.

Hell, even amongst the car guys I know, outside of the Honduh guys no one knows who he is.  :?:

The darkest man in the pacific northwest.  O0 AKA: "the bangbus master" is more widely known.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: crxvtec91 on November 21, 2009, 12:01:43 AM
100 years from now no one will know who the fuck Bisi is. Picasso will still be known.

Hell, even amongst the car guys I know, outside of the Honduh guys no one knows who he is.  :?:

The darkest man in the pacific northwest.  O0 AKA: "the bangbus master" is more widely known.

LEE
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Joseph Davis on November 21, 2009, 12:27:56 AM
Looks liek he read Max boost.....   :-\
well if he did he should have read the part about manifold building and waste gate placements

Funny you should say that to turbob16hatch.  :P



I was also refering to SOHCinWA's snoopin' around to have something to post what is being said here, D-series and H-T then he quietly deletes any posts that may offend 'Bisi. :?:
Sorry to disappoint but I have not been snooping around like you may think. My computer at my shop is always on. That doesnt mean I am in front of it all day. I do work.

Correct.  SOHCinWA has only logged on to view this thread four times today that I know of - hardly snooping, that comprises at LEAST six logins.



I have a question for you all since you are all so turbo smart. Do you think James (JFK78) drives his car  on the street with his 580whp tune on it?? I dont think so. So why would you expect anyone else to do so?

Funny you should mention that.  We were out on the street with the Supra earlier, 25 psi on a 76mm turbo with a 100 shot to lock up the torque converter feels pretty decent.  I drove Trav-ASS' Integra more than he did, he used to leave it at my house for months at a time and it was a 500 whp pumpgas car.  Last time I street tuned a 10 second car it was in Charlotte at 3AM the night before an event, no plates with a 'chute hanging off the back, which is beside the point only if you don't realise that a large number of us here really don't give a fuck and roll like that all of the time. 

With how mild the torque production is on a D-series, james should be able to hook 580 on the street in the upper gears.  If he doesn't take his car out in that trim... all I can say is shame on him.   :(

Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: DmC on November 21, 2009, 12:30:19 AM
It is very safe to say that everyone in this forum on regular basis with a turbo car has ran faster then a 14.
   Seriously who puts a 14 in their sig.  SOHCinWA     As RHMT"S first
HARD PARKER
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Joseph Davis on November 21, 2009, 12:34:17 AM
Quote
That's the thing. I've watched these Bisi threads, they all turn out the same. Bisi talks this wild idea, people ask questions, he beats around the bush and doesn't answer them.

He never reveals any technical reasoning behind it, yet he posts in these technical forums. It serves no purpose other than to promote himself.

Here, lemme paint an equivalent illustration. For my courses, we are assigned homework. We have to turn it in and show all work, explain what we were thinking in the process, clean it up, show what formulas we used, what assumptions were made, conditional analysis, etc. These are vital to the engineering world. If I were to submit a homework assignment, and instead not show any work, just pictures of me sitting at desk looking at something on the desk, and then write the assignment name, and my final answer. That would be the equivalent of how these threads always turn out.

I don't think that anyone comes into these threads automatically just wanting to talk trash and bash Bisi. It's just that time and time again it turns out the same way.


Is that a quote from Bense?  He's been kind of unhappy with Bisi's non-technical posturing for a while now.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: turbob16hatch on November 21, 2009, 12:39:27 AM
Looks liek he read Max boost.....   :-\
well if he did he should have read the part about manifold building and waste gate placements

Funny you should say that to turbob16hatch.  :P

touche  :yes:
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Urban Indian on November 21, 2009, 02:44:15 AM
Why are we catering to this SOHC faggot?

And this bisi thread is BS. I bet that motor doesnt last for shit and it makes that power on a modded dynojet.



Did I call it?




and wtf. I told him I quoted it and asked a question why and you fucking threaten me with a ban? Thats weak

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Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: sewell94 on November 21, 2009, 03:41:18 AM
You know whats funny, is that Sinister deletes shit faster than the HT faggots.  I'm suprised those pics stayed up that long.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Ntrain2k on November 21, 2009, 09:48:34 AM
Quote
That's the thing. I've watched these Bisi threads, they all turn out the same. Bisi talks this wild idea, people ask questions, he beats around the bush and doesn't answer them.

He never reveals any technical reasoning behind it, yet he posts in these technical forums. It serves no purpose other than to promote himself.

Here, lemme paint an equivalent illustration. For my courses, we are assigned homework. We have to turn it in and show all work, explain what we were thinking in the process, clean it up, show what formulas we used, what assumptions were made, conditional analysis, etc. These are vital to the engineering world. If I were to submit a homework assignment, and instead not show any work, just pictures of me sitting at desk looking at something on the desk, and then write the assignment name, and my final answer. That would be the equivalent of how these threads always turn out.

I don't think that anyone comes into these threads automatically just wanting to talk trash and bash Bisi. It's just that time and time again it turns out the same way.


Is that a quote from Bense?  He's been kind of unhappy with Bisi's non-technical posturing for a while now.

Yes.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Teg2boo on November 21, 2009, 12:34:13 PM
You guys are all fucking stupid. It can do 700whp all day long without falling apart. Maybe even 1000whp since sleeve failure is not related to power.


BUT,... only if Delacruz tune it  :P
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: sewell94 on November 21, 2009, 04:31:22 PM
Sinister doesn't delete anything, asshole.  Bisi took down his photobucket photo of the drain plug.

I was talking about the tubgirl pics, asshole.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: DRQPQUT on November 21, 2009, 05:32:14 PM
100 years from now no one will know who the fuck Bisi is. Picasso will still be known.

Hell, even amongst the car guys I know, outside of the Honduh guys no one knows who he is.  :?:

The darkest man in the pacific northwest.  O0 AKA: "the bangbus master" is more widely known.
that guy is a LEGEND... bisi has a long way to go
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Joseph Davis on November 21, 2009, 05:45:14 PM
(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi256.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fhh166%2Fjoeymisanthropy%2FMisce%2Fleedmotivator2.jpg&hash=05dfdeceaa3f6f0afc9897cdccf528e9d06181cf)
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Sinister on November 21, 2009, 06:18:26 PM
You know whats funny, is that Sinister deletes shit faster than the HT faggots.  I'm suprised those pics stayed up that long.

Deleted, and reported.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: sewell94 on November 21, 2009, 06:33:23 PM
You know whats funny, is that Sinister deletes shit faster than the HT faggots.  I'm suprised those pics stayed up that long.

Deleted, and reported.
Sweet
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: PhilStubbs on November 21, 2009, 06:33:35 PM
Leed tuned Bisi boost build? Lol. I hope he selects the cam too.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: DRQPQUT on November 21, 2009, 07:07:18 PM
would be the only good thing about the build my 2 cents
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: BangBusMaster on November 22, 2009, 05:02:24 AM
 log
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: crttaz on November 22, 2009, 02:07:20 PM
orangechicken
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Random Hero on November 22, 2009, 03:12:10 PM
log
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Joseph Davis on November 22, 2009, 09:14:13 PM
On the subject of memes, Bisi got one thing right - FAKLAD
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: PhilStubbs on November 22, 2009, 09:15:54 PM
Bisi doesnt know anything about 2 cams
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: onlyflash944 on November 22, 2009, 11:15:22 PM
damn, i don't read this thread for two days and i'm 10 pages behind
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Robb on November 22, 2009, 11:17:29 PM
damn, i don't read this thread for two days and i'm 10 pages behind

You didnt miss much. Just some white guy dress up as a  :mexi:
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: d112crzy on November 23, 2009, 01:08:55 PM
"the lions cub does not consume grass"

wat ???
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: 97Econobox on November 23, 2009, 03:05:06 PM
He is a piece of shit liar and a fraud.  To flat out lie about something like that is just wrong... without integrity how am I (a customer) supposed to trust anything from Bisi or Golden Eagle?

Still gonna go ahead and say that if you had not posted it might have gone much better.  Doesn't matter what the topic is or whos involved no one takes a man seriously if he doesn't have first hand knowledge or experience.

I totally get why most of you were labeled as haters and it sucks cause it seems like most of you had a valid point.  Wise man once said doesn't matter what the hell you mean it matters how people hear it, you'll never take a first impression back.  If there are 3 of you speaking on an issue and ONE of them is found out to have no experience on it then you can best believe the whole movement will die out cause the other 2 wont have credibility after that.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: turbob16hatch on November 23, 2009, 03:05:25 PM
Wtf is wrong with the guy. oh and can someone post that picture?  :yes:
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Robb on November 23, 2009, 03:06:51 PM
He is a piece of shit liar and a fraud.  To flat out lie about something like that is just wrong... without integrity how am I (a customer) supposed to trust anything from Bisi or Golden Eagle?


Who cares?  Let the HT fags buy his shit, and allow me to take their $$$ at the track. The world still spins.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: 97Econobox on November 23, 2009, 03:28:44 PM
To hell with the bastards fuck em.


Like i said not tryin to shit on you.  I'd still drink a beer or smoke a blunt with you if you ever came down this end of va.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: 97Econobox on November 23, 2009, 03:38:15 PM
now that was totally fucking retarded, i cant see how the fuck anyone stole a goddamn thing.

OH NOES WATCH OUT FOR STALEARD HE WILL STEALZ ALL UR INSTAWEBS WITH HIS 733T HAX0R SKILLZ.


at first i lol'd and then i read abotu the lion cub and was "wtf"



PS:  Congrats on 19 pages of awesome.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Robb on November 23, 2009, 03:49:41 PM
He's a fucking peckerhead who doesn't have a reasonable explanation that doesn't make him look bad so he starts name calling instead.  pah!


Uhh, welcome to the internet.  :P
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: bigdaddyvtec on November 23, 2009, 03:58:21 PM
OH Noez

I bee Tr0ll1n??

Quote from: Bisimoto;40727373
Hi, extra large nog...you sure love Bisimoto posts!

Turbo, my associates and I would love to help you out.  Feel free to give us a call at 888-922-6686 (888-9-BC-MOTO), or PM me you phone number, and we can assist! 

We are all about reliable power!


http://honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2685215 (http://honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2685215)



Jesus Christ. His posts are like 1 big shitty add campaign, I mean its working and its effective advertising I guess... Im waiting for him to try to reccomend his H cams to me... hahahahaahah

Hi Bisi.

(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi691.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fvv275%2Ftaylorbell_photo%2Fboxxy-trolling.jpg&hash=bb48781d9b2f5bdd756a8eee32552683defc2d17)


Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Joseph Davis on November 23, 2009, 04:03:34 PM
He is a piece of shit liar and a fraud.  To flat out lie about something like that is just wrong... without integrity how am I (a customer) supposed to trust anything from Bisi or Golden Eagle?

Still gonna go ahead and say that if you had not posted it might have gone much better.  Doesn't matter what the topic is or whos involved no one takes a man seriously if he doesn't have first hand knowledge or experience.

+10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: turbob16hatch on November 23, 2009, 04:09:59 PM
all i can say is the post in the h22 cams thread was SOOOO informative. His employee really blew me away with his knowledge on what cams can do.... :?:
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: bigdaddyvtec on November 23, 2009, 04:17:41 PM
Ya Ive posted in two of his threads, I LOOOOOVE Bisimoto posts... LOLZORCYCLE.  Jesus. His campaign has swayed me from ever buying anything from him (well that and his band of clowns posting under his namesake). Not that he gives a shit.....  but being whom he is, he should. He should care about EVERY POSSIBLE customer. Thats what blows me away...

The tactics used are suspect at best...


His insight is fast as fuck and hes a true pioneer of the F. Ill always respect him for that.... Other than that...  Bleh

Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Robb on November 23, 2009, 04:39:24 PM
He should care about EVERY POSSIBLE customer. Thats what blows me away...


Welcome to why 90% of these "speed" shops fail.  Dont forget about the little guy, cause he might be a big guy one day lol.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: PhilStubbs on November 23, 2009, 05:39:11 PM
His employee really blew me away with his knowledge on what cams can do.... :?:

i have never seen an intelligent post from any of his "employees". they all seem like 30 year old guys that got into car 6 months ago and like to postwhore
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: brine04 on November 23, 2009, 06:22:58 PM
It's sad that this thread is longer than the one on HT. I thought the car would be a cool understated sleeper. But it's just another bright and flashy "HT" build. Not sure what you're trying to accomplish over there. The guys sipping his nut juice will never change their mind. If it's just to be a pain in the ass then good work I guess?
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: bigdaddyvtec on November 23, 2009, 06:28:29 PM
Posted from is Iphone in church...  LOL


Quote from: Mase;40731224
After being asked to share my .02 on the matter, I have to comment on a few things:


Maybe you’ve seen this, but I would be more prone to tell you it’s a tuning issue. Unless of course you’re talking about supertech SS valves. They do like to break often.   
Case in point: We have a turbocharged Road Race NSX that has over 100 Hours of track time at the limitations of the gt35r turbo on SS valves.  The heads have 0% leakdown.  That motor sees serious heat for 50 minutes at a time. Not to mention many high hp setups ive worked with that have very long lasting head packages.


I have a lot of experience with many different turbochargers.  Ive seen countless failures from turbonetics turbos over the years.  Id say double the percentage over garrett/precision/borg warner combined.  Further Ive done back to back testing on similar sized turbonetics/gt series only for the turbonetics to be out performed. 
Its of course your personal option to run and recommend who ever you want. However, im certainly not the only one to share my sentiments on the matter. I did see their booth at SEMA, they also cut down their staff by like 20% and its interesting to hear what their previous employees say… that’s all ill say about that…


 more reliable power?  You wont make more reliable power that way.  Ive tried it on 4 cylinders and 2jz on cyl 6. 


Meh, AEM sales pitch.  I like the guys at AEM, I stand behind many of their products.  Their water/meth kit not so much.  Roughly 20% of the AEM kits ive seen have leaking issues. This becomes a danger for several reasons. One physically leaking meth.  Other, if its leaking the pressure. The flow drops. Which can dramatically throw off the tune.  Making it dangerous to the engine as well.  Installation flaws? Well there sure are a lot of them then. 
  You will get same performance gains between most meth kits out on the market given similar components.  Ive tested it. The hardware and failsafes are what set them apart.


In closing, I wish you the best of luck with the build and hope you reach your goals.  But as a moderator, seeing the drama caused by you time and time again, and you act surprised, that baffles me.  You should try taking a non-advertising approach if you want less drama.

Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: crttaz on November 23, 2009, 06:49:34 PM
Thanks for ratting me out.


 :mexi: O0
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Joseph Davis on November 23, 2009, 07:25:14 PM
Fuck, I forgot you were collecting reactions.  Sorry about that.

I don't see why a magnetic drain plug full of crap means anything?  Bisi's had some fast Hondas for the exact reason Tim Lynch is killing everyone in 10.5 Outlaw - and I quote, "lots and lots of test and tune."  Bisi picks a platform and stays with it for YEARS longer than most people own a car.  Further, a block's webbings get fucked up when sleeving and sometimes they don't align bore correctly, or they do align bore but the block wants to flex under power.  Take the engine apart, see what needs to be fixed, put it back together again.  Same procedure anyone with a fast as shit car goes through.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: bigdaddyvtec on November 23, 2009, 09:44:16 PM
If youre bored, it means youre boring... Or Stale




By the way to the guys saying he meant BHP... Did any of you homos read the title???


Bisimoto's 1st full Turbo build: Quest for 700whp D16Z WagoVan ( 1 2 3 ... Last Page)
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: 2slow on November 24, 2009, 12:10:13 AM
i just want to knowexactly what did he engineer for this build? some shitty turbo manifold? why doesnt every one suck full races dick. at least in their builds they make their own shit like traction bar (bisi complained about the one he BOUGHT), intake manifold, turbo manifold,exhaust, roll cages. what did bisi design and build. he need to rename his thread aem's and golden eagles quest to 700hp
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: crxvtec91 on November 24, 2009, 12:15:20 AM
Ht has no tech
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: PhilStubbs on November 24, 2009, 08:25:10 AM
i just want to knowexactly what did he engineer for this build? some shitty turbo manifold? why doesnt every one suck full races dick. at least in their builds they make their own shit like traction bar (bisi complained about the one he BOUGHT), intake manifold, turbo manifold,exhaust, roll cages. what did bisi design and build. he need to rename his thread aem's and golden eagles quest to 700hp

Bisi doesnt actually fab anything. he designs and pays other people to do it.

thats all fine and good if you only look at his N/A stuff. his N/A shit works for sure. we will have to wait for the super street to come out for numbers on this though.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Joseph Davis on November 24, 2009, 10:05:05 AM
This whole right to unreleased photos and hacking a private account bullshit sort of enforces the argument that he doesn't know shit and likes to make things up to cover his ass.

Imbecile, you make a valid point.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Joseph Davis on November 24, 2009, 10:15:27 AM
Who cares?
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Joseph Davis on November 24, 2009, 10:21:46 AM
O K
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: j.h.christ on November 24, 2009, 10:25:16 AM
the compressor maps for that turbo are in my photobucket, fagmuffin.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: turbob16hatch on November 24, 2009, 10:27:02 AM
<--


I've been trying to find specs on the damn thing and can't even get a Garrett part number.  All I have is the GM number.

Fuck you learn to google search.

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.thedieselstore.com/water/test.php%3Fsrc%3D../Images/img/TUG736554-5011%252F4.gif.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.thedieselstore.com/template/productOutput.php%3FVehNum%3D%26partNum%3DTUG736554-5011&usg=__LwPjckRIUSoJ7iwbRSahvL0CjXs=&h=450&w=600&sz=38&hl=en&start=5&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=e9A8-J6jKBbwnM:&tbnh=101&tbnw=135&prev=/images%3Fq%3D2004%2Bduramax%2Boem%2Bturbo%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26rls%3Dcom.microsoft:en-us%26rlz%3D1I7GPTB_en%26sa%3DG%26um%3D1 (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.thedieselstore.com/water/test.php%3Fsrc%3D../Images/img/TUG736554-5011%252F4.gif.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.thedieselstore.com/template/productOutput.php%3FVehNum%3D%26partNum%3DTUG736554-5011&usg=__LwPjckRIUSoJ7iwbRSahvL0CjXs=&h=450&w=600&sz=38&hl=en&start=5&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=e9A8-J6jKBbwnM:&tbnh=101&tbnw=135&prev=/images%3Fq%3D2004%2Bduramax%2Boem%2Bturbo%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26rls%3Dcom.microsoft:en-us%26rlz%3D1I7GPTB_en%26sa%3DG%26um%3D1)

that shows you it will not work based on the twin side inlet, most likely to facilitate the v8 have 2 banks of cyl. and the turbo sitting on top in the middle of the engine. Also it states it is a GT37va turbo for the 04-06 6.6L duramax.

this took me like 5 min to find.

Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: PhilStubbs on November 24, 2009, 10:30:23 AM
Fucking answer me god damnit.  2004 Duramax turbo on a D16 yea or nay?

if it doesnt spool on its own, a little spray will do wonders.

DO IT!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Robb on November 24, 2009, 10:32:59 AM
This is my whore post.  Whoring up this thread.  Thanks.  :yes:
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Urban Indian on November 24, 2009, 11:52:04 AM
nobody replied to my boxxy picture.......


have we lost?

are they used to it now? What is the world coming to?
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: 97Econobox on November 24, 2009, 03:27:48 PM
Holy shit, now i feel like its just only right for this thread to get at least as many pages as Spikers Build thread.  38 pages, about 12 of which pertained to the actual car.

Im gonna poop today. 
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: 2slow on November 24, 2009, 03:55:21 PM
so i tagged bisi's thread with "sponcer infomercial" and "nothing special" and then i got this in my in box today on d-series.org

REXINRE
Please stop tagging bisi's thread with offensive comments. This kind of behavior will not be tolerated and if it continues there will be consequences.

Respectfully,
D-series staff

i really did think that ds.org was more laid back and not crybabies i guess i was wrong
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: DRQPQUT on November 24, 2009, 05:11:00 PM
fuck those idiots over there on h.t. remind me of sarah palin fans they are all such ignorant fucking SHEEP....
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Travis on November 24, 2009, 06:49:55 PM
didnt know bisi was a nog  :?:
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: hatchbox90 on November 24, 2009, 08:46:21 PM
Bense should come kick it over here  :yes:

He seems to be the only mod that sees through the bullshit bisi crap and calls him out

while golden eagle cant do anything than mention that bisi is a paying sponsor, boo hoo

didnt know bisi was a nog  :?:

Who attempted to bleach his hair or something  :-X . Sweet Jew fro

Hi Bisi  :-*
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: DRQPQUT on November 24, 2009, 08:51:58 PM
sweet JEW fr0  O0
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: bigdaddyvtec on November 24, 2009, 10:05:52 PM
Bense should come kick it over here  :yes:

He seems to be the only mod that sees through the bullshit bisi crap and calls him out

while golden eagle cant do anything than mention that bisi is a paying sponsor, boo hoo

didnt know bisi was a nog  :?:

Who attempted to bleach his hair or something  :-X . Sweet Jew fro

Hi Bisi  :-*



ALthough Ive had DEFINATE differences with Bense in the past I was very pleasantly suprised to see his opinion and actions... Not just him... There are some other well known people that dont buy into all of his double talk and biased BS either..

Theres a header thread just such as this over there too...
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Ntrain2k on November 24, 2009, 10:09:28 PM
Quote
Hi Ntrain2k,

The post that you created in the following thread has been deleted

================================================== ========================
Post ID:
Quote from: TorganFM.;40738043
"Unreleased" photos should not be ...
Thread: Bisimoto's 1st full Turbo build: Quest for 700whp D16Z WagoVan
Reason: OT
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Sir, I dare say that it was indeed on topic with how the thread was going. It was constructive criticism toward the OP's posting style in his thread, which he seemed to take well.

Quote
i trust you saw where the thread ended up...

it (the thread) has caused quite an uproar and in an effort to get it back to technical discussion, a few people, including me, deleted the last few pages of posts that didn't exclusively have to do with the technical aspect of forced induction, or the build.

take no offense, it was a hairy situation. the thread is back, and you will see the directive from admin in the most recent post.

thanks!


The deleted post:

Quote
Originally Posted by Ntrain2k 
Agreed.

It does look bad on your part Bisi. It wasn't a private album, and it's obvious you knew it, as you deleted the pic, then set the album to private once you realized it was open for public viewing. As someone who handled customer support and warranty claims for a $40M a year company, IMO, you did the wrong thing. It does not matter how badly an individual slams you or your company/products, you do not personally attack them, let alone in the open.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Ntrain2k on November 24, 2009, 10:43:25 PM
Just in case anyone does not know, the mods from HT are over here looking at this thread, not that it matters any.

Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Joseph Davis on November 24, 2009, 10:49:33 PM
Bense should come kick it over here  :yes:

He seems to be the only mod that sees through the bullshit bisi crap and calls him out

while golden eagle cant do anything than mention that bisi is a paying sponsor, boo hoo

didnt know bisi was a nog  :?:

Who attempted to bleach his hair or something  :-X . Sweet Jew fro

Hi Bisi  :-*



ALthough Ive had DEFINATE differences with Bense in the past


Those problems were because Bense is, obviously, intelligent and you are a fat loudmouth with a small penis.

Just saying.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: snm95ls on November 24, 2009, 11:09:32 PM
Just in case anyone does not know, the mods from HT are over here looking at this thread, not that it matters any.



Well then.  We should be obliged to give such royalty a nice low rent white trash welcome...
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Joseph Davis on November 24, 2009, 11:16:02 PM
Just in case anyone does not know, the mods from HT are over here looking at this thread, not that it matters any.



Well then.  We should be obliged to give such royalty a nice low rent white trash welcome...

Like this?

(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Faltporn.net%2Fnews%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Fve844-10-lg-680x1024.jpg&hash=f0bba94e590e2ed8bf792b4dd613b8748342263c)
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: DRQPQUT on November 25, 2009, 12:43:21 AM
WELCOME ;D
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: potatodude on November 25, 2009, 01:07:53 AM
Just in case anyone does not know, the mods from HT are over here looking at this thread, not that it matters any.



Well then.  We should be obliged to give such royalty a nice low rent white trash welcome...

Like this?

(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Faltporn.net%2Fnews%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Fve844-10-lg-680x1024.jpg&hash=f0bba94e590e2ed8bf792b4dd613b8748342263c)


Why is there a brick wall in that kitchen?
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: DmC on November 25, 2009, 01:19:43 AM
I'm not shit talking or anthing like that, I am Just stating a fact. There are enough really sweet parts laying around fowee's house to build a way better and faster and more reliable and more awesomer race car then BisijewNegros. " an ht mod just died reading that"  Fowee is half asian so his slant eyes can't see them well enough to assemble them.  ;)

I would post a list but Fowee's paraniod ass would freak out.  :?:
 And yeah Tony I'm bald and Sadie isn't a super model. This is your call out post you have been called out.  :noel:

Young MC - Bust A Move (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xy4FXhkm6Nw#normal)
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: ducksauce on November 25, 2009, 03:20:44 AM
Quote from: Bense
Bisi, here's a question for you.

I'm confused -- Somewhere on this forum are posts where you've said that the D-series transmission was actually superior to the B-series transmission as far as strength is concerned.  Now you're discussing a transition to the B-series transmission to handle the additional torque supplied from a forced induction setup.

So which is it?

Bense brings up another really good point. Quoted from an old post on HT:

http://www.honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=1720340 (http://www.honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=1720340)

I know there are a bunch of other threads on HT where Bisi said the same thing, but I don't feel like dealing with the HT search engine right now.

Its on his website too:
Quote
Many may ask, "Why the D-series transmission?" These transmissions are plentiful and very cost effective. Since many popular Honda chassis come with these transmissions from factory, factory style axles, mounts, shift linkages, and gearbox sensors can economically remain intact. Strength of the individual gears is also a big plus. Unlike their B-series bretheren, D-based gears are "stubby", and take well to abuse.
http://bisimoto.net/store/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=3_5_25 (http://bisimoto.net/store/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=3_5_25)
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Urban Indian on November 25, 2009, 03:31:17 AM
Quote from: Bense
I iz a noob

Get in the fucking line with the n00b intro before you start posting.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: bigdaddyvtec on November 25, 2009, 03:37:47 AM
actually it was mike93eh2 that did the write up on the CG trannyswap... (not that he was the first to aknowlege the cgs stature, but the first to actually use it  IIRC...  He was blowing D trannys up every weekend.... Like I was.

http://www.honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2276278 (http://www.honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2276278)


 Also I asked him (bisi) that (if he was going to use a cg tans) on like page 3 that was never answered (probably deleted)... Ya right, the D tranny is stronger than the B... LOL. Just like the B is stronger than the H.

Its the CG trans that has the stubby gears and the external 5th with the "pan" over it.



What people are missing in Bisis defense is that the reason hes talking about goiung to B is the readily available aftermarket for internals.... He clearly states it too.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: ducksauce on November 25, 2009, 04:01:04 AM
Also I asked him (bisi) that (if he was going to use a cg tans) on like page 3 that was never answered (probably deleted)... Ya right, the D tranny is stronger than the B... LOL. Just like the B is stronger than the H.

Its the CG trans that has the stubby gears and the external 5th with the "pan" over it.

I've seen the writeup mike93eh2 did on the CG trans.

If it is the CG trans that has the stubby gears and not the other D-series transmissions, the information posted on Bisi's site is pretty damn misleading.

What people are missing in Bisis defense is that the reason hes talking about goiung to B is the readily available aftermarket for internals.... He clearly states it too.

A dog box should be fun on trips to the supermarket...  :?:

Quote from: Bisimoto
To build the most powerful street, small displacement Honda ever...in a Wagovan (just to be absurd). It would not be a dyno queen, but a car that will be driven, to and from events, shows, meets and...the supermarket
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: bigdaddyvtec on November 25, 2009, 04:02:46 AM
Ya IDK about the DOggy box there are synced versions available too though
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: crttaz on November 25, 2009, 04:52:52 AM
actually it was mike93eh2 that did the write up on the CG trannyswap... (not that he was the first to aknowlege the cgs stature, but the first to actually use it  IIRC...  He was blowing D trannys up every weekend.... Like I was.

http://www.honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2276278 (http://www.honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2276278)


 Also I asked him (bisi) that (if he was going to use a cg tans) on like page 3 that was never answered (probably deleted)... Ya right, the D tranny is stronger than the B... LOL. Just like the B is stronger than the H.

Its the CG trans that has the stubby gears and the external 5th with the "pan" over it.



What people are missing in Bisis defense is that the reason hes talking about goiung to B is the readily available aftermarket for internals.... He clearly states it too.

Sorry, fuck Mike the dickhead wanna be tranny builder. Houseman sold a built CG dogbox tranny to Bisi, I explained it to Mike with info from -TJ Schmidt. Because he was so butthurt on D-Series.org and didn't have the fucking BALLS to admit were he got the idea, he deleted the thread on DSO. He was blowing up trannys because he didn't have a fucking clue, Several of his "built" trannys that he sold were put together from his left over parts from shredding 3rd or 4th gear. The trannys were sold to DSO members, one had it go bad very quickly. He opened it without mentioning Mikes name and it was total crap inside.

IIRC the Houseman box the Bisi is/was using had a custom 5.0 FD, stock 1-5 gearing with one way dog faced plated setup, cannot be downshift at speed. While the gears are thinner the bearing support between 4th and 5th gears give it great strength, where the idea of a "handcuff" came about. It also has a B16 Quaife.

Two way face plated for road racing use, Houseman built at least three more gearboxes. Two for him and one for Kirk Olsen. Kirk Olsen took Houseman's CRX home at the last SCCA Runoff's at Mid Ohio, Jamie hung it up from racing, I've not talk to him since.


Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: bigdaddyvtec on November 25, 2009, 05:08:27 AM
Ya I didnt think he was the first... Ive seen you and I believe JD talk about it but I hadnt seen it done untill that thread... so how strong are the cgs compared to say an oem b??
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Joseph Davis on November 25, 2009, 08:04:19 AM
Ya I didnt think he was the first... Ive seen you and I believe JD talk about it but I hadnt seen it done untill that thread... so how strong are the cgs compared to say an oem b??

Who cares?  They let me put a sweet Vitara motor into my classic Si, and they aren't made of glass.  That is all that matters.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: bigdaddyvtec on November 25, 2009, 12:09:06 PM
Ya I didnt think he was the first... Ive seen you and I believe JD talk about it but I hadnt seen it done untill that thread... so how strong are the cgs compared to say an oem b??

Who cares?  They let me put a sweet Vitara motor into my classic Si, and they aren't made of glass.  That is all that matters.

Dont you have a car to go not finish or something of the like you sodomite???
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: AstroVannin on November 25, 2009, 01:24:51 PM
Quote
Unfortunately, I rarely use slang, net-saavy acronyms, and poor vernacular. My apologies if this makes me sound like a commercial.

Tats the second (at least) time Ive read that as a response to him being called out for being an infomercial.

Yeah, THATS the reason.... NOT the fact that questions are anwsered with sales pitches  ::)
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: crttaz on November 25, 2009, 01:47:33 PM
Quote
Unfortunately, I rarely use slang, net-saavy acronyms, and poor vernacular. My apologies if this makes me sound like a commercial.

Tats the second (at least) time Ive read that as a response to him being called out for being an infomercial.

Yeah, THATS the reason.... NOT the fact that questions are anwsered with sales pitches  ::)

Nope, just a highly educated chemical engineer who gave up a GREAT paying job to start his own car business.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: PhilStubbs on November 25, 2009, 01:47:52 PM
sometimes he sounds like a nascar driver without the southern accent.

Quote
yea, this "Bisimoto" 3.6 cam helped get the "Earth Brand" oxygen and "Torco" fuel into my Honda 1.6 then the "M&H" slicks could hook up on the "West Coast" pavement and win the race

lol
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: AstroVannin on November 25, 2009, 02:54:25 PM
Quote
Unfortunately, I rarely use slang, net-saavy acronyms, and poor vernacular. My apologies if this makes me sound like a commercial.

Tats the second (at least) time Ive read that as a response to him being called out for being an infomercial.

Yeah, THATS the reason.... NOT the fact that questions are anwsered with sales pitches  ::)

Nope, just a highly educated chemical engineer who gave up a GREAT paying job to start his own car business.

It’s possible to be well spoken, well educated, and EVEN a chemical engineer, and NOT sound like a commercial.

Its not the lack of "E-slang" that makes it sound like a infomercial.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: ryan89crx on November 25, 2009, 03:29:20 PM
so i tagged bisi's thread with "sponcer infomercial" and "nothing special" and then i got this in my in box today on d-series.org

REXINRE
Please stop tagging bisi's thread with offensive comments. This kind of behavior will not be tolerated and if it continues there will be consequences.

Respectfully,
D-series staff

i really did think that ds.org was more laid back and not crybabies i guess i was wrong
There is a difference between coming over and posting legitimate concerns or technical info, and just coming over and talking shit. Of course your shit talking comments were deleted you ignorant fuck  :yes:
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: 2slow on November 25, 2009, 04:01:08 PM
it was just a joke no big deal. why is everyone over there  crybaby all the sudden. i leave there for almost a year and no one understands sarcasm and picks every word apart. it seems that 80% of the users have been listening to too much emo music recently
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: 2slow on November 25, 2009, 04:02:26 PM
so i tagged bisi's thread with "sponcer infomercial" and "nothing special" and then i got this in my in box today on d-series.org

REXINRE
Please stop tagging bisi's thread with offensive comments. This kind of behavior will not be tolerated and if it continues there will be consequences.

Respectfully,
D-series staff

i really did think that ds.org was more laid back and not crybabies i guess i was wrong
There is a difference between coming over and posting legitimate concerns or technical info, and just coming over and talking shit. Of course your shit talking comments were deleted you ignorant fuck  :yes:
also where did i talk shit besides the tags that were not at all offensive?
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: PhilStubbs on November 25, 2009, 04:11:20 PM
it was just a joke no big deal. why is everyone over there  crybaby all the sudden. i leave there for almost a year and no one understands sarcasm and picks every word apart. it seems that 80% of the users have been listening to too much emo music recently

that site has sucked a lot longer than a year
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Joseph Davis on November 25, 2009, 04:53:39 PM
Ya I didnt think he was the first... Ive seen you and I believe JD talk about it but I hadnt seen it done untill that thread... so how strong are the cgs compared to say an oem b??

Who cares?  They let me put a sweet Vitara motor into my classic Si, and they aren't made of glass.  That is all that matters.

Dont you have a car to go not finish or something of the like you sodomite???

Don't you have a job you need to be applying for?
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: turbob16hatch on November 25, 2009, 04:56:08 PM
Quote
Unfortunately, I rarely use slang, net-saavy acronyms, and poor vernacular. My apologies if this makes me sound like a commercial.

Tats the second (at least) time Ive read that as a response to him being called out for being an infomercial.

Yeah, THATS the reason.... NOT the fact that questions are anwsered with sales pitches  ::)

Nope, just a highly educated chemical engineer who gave up a GREAT paying job to start his own car business.

So how much is bone getting paid again? :?:

Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: bigdaddyvtec on November 25, 2009, 05:08:12 PM
Ya I didnt think he was the first... Ive seen you and I believe JD talk about it but I hadnt seen it done untill Pointthat thread... so how strong are the cgs compared to say an oem b??

Who cares?  They let me put a sweet Vitara motor into my classic Si, and they aren't made of glass.  That is all that matters.

Dont you have a car to go not finish or something of the like you sodomite???

Don't you have a job you need to be applying for?

Nope. I work for johnny coolest guy ever Coolest guy ever and your uncle Obama.

And my car runs.. turkey dimmer pics to come.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: fysh on November 25, 2009, 06:07:47 PM
Quote
Unfortunately, I rarely use slang, net-saavy acronyms, and poor vernacular. My apologies if this makes me sound like a commercial.

Tats the second (at least) time Ive read that as a response to him being called out for being an infomercial.

Yeah, THATS the reason.... NOT the fact that questions are anwsered with sales pitches  ::)

Nope, just a highly educated chemical engineer who gave up a GREAT paying job to start his own car business.

Then if he's so fucking smart, then why can't he give any theories behind any of his choices in components? I have yet to see anything to make this guy stand out as an engineer in any way whatsoever. If I didn't know who Bisi is then the whole build thread would just seems like another Honda-tech kid with a bunch of shiny parts, no real direction, and a lofty goal to achieve.

Is it so much to ask for some real fucking tech? some real science involved? "AEM is a good bunch of guys who have been in the business for years and they make top notch products with great customer support" isn't fucking tech. Is it so much to ask for a mathematical formula or two? maybe some out-of-the-box theories explained in detail why he believes such is true with evidence behind them? Fuck dude, for an engineer and a highly intelligent guy, I'm not seeing any real proof of such. I think a few of us could follow his MO a little better if he could explain it better than "they make a great product".
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: crttaz on November 25, 2009, 06:09:06 PM
Quote
Unfortunately, I rarely use slang, net-saavy acronyms, and poor vernacular. My apologies if this makes me sound like a commercial.

Tats the second (at least) time Ive read that as a response to him being called out for being an infomercial.

Yeah, THATS the reason.... NOT the fact that questions are anwsered with sales pitches  ::)

Nope, just a highly educated chemical engineer who gave up a GREAT paying job to start his own car business.

So how much is bone getting paid again? :?:



All I got was a misprinted T-Shirt 1-2 years ago.

Nothing, and if you notice I'm asking about Dynapack settings and such.  I know why two Dynapacks read high.....as any Dynapack can be tweaked. Yes, I respect 'Bisi'sknowledge having met him twice, but it also ws me that posted the picture of the magnetic oil drain plug that caused quite a ruckus.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: crttaz on November 25, 2009, 06:11:47 PM
You wouldn't be able to understand his theories and idea even if he tried to explain them.

One basic formula is on the nose of the car......

(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi107.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fm307%2Fbonespec%2FHonda%2FBisi%2520BOTI%2FP1010002.jpg&hash=66c52f59108332bd585e2a544d4261fb5a4b54e5)
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: bigdaddyvtec on November 25, 2009, 06:43:49 PM
I know this older dude that frequents the main AA hall I go to....

He has a masters degree in english and was a college professor (retired)... 

The way he pontificates and puts sentence structure together is fucking amazing... Between his grandiose (attempts at) sentence structure.... And the way he uses words out of context (not to mention that just dont even find themselves neccessary in the first place)... Youd expect his level of speech from someone you might meet at a bus stop downtown at say 3AM when the buisses arent running...

Its as enteraining as watching whos line is it anyway wouldf be if it were done with Downs syndrom the first few times you hear it... YHou kind of pay attention just out of trying to figure out what the fuck hes trying to say...

But then you just dont care, and make fun of him...



Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: QikEnuF on November 25, 2009, 09:43:09 PM
Haha Bone got called out by a girl quoting from SCC.  HAAHHAA
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: chris on November 25, 2009, 09:48:00 PM
So what was his ph.d dissertation? If he is claiming to have a ph.d why in the world dyno cars and play salesman on honda-tech


If he does have a ph.d he should be teaching at a university not playing with 20 year old d16's.


This is an honest question and I would like an honest answer.


Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: chris on November 25, 2009, 10:08:43 PM
People are claiming he is a ph.d in threads.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Joseph Davis on November 25, 2009, 10:15:44 PM
His educational background is public record.

Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: 2slow on November 25, 2009, 10:17:03 PM
im pretty sure its a professional bullshit degree.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Robb on November 25, 2009, 10:52:49 PM
Haha Bone got called out by a girl quoting from SCC.  HAAHHAA

Yes.  Apparently his "experience" amounts to nothing next to a poorly laid out magazine article. Tsk. (https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.realhomemadeturbo.com%2Fforum%2FSmileys%2Fclassic%2Frolleyes.gif&hash=5805137b67db00abde932177bc58b11cc93be8c2)
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: snm95ls on November 26, 2009, 12:39:49 AM
Haha Bone got called out by a girl quoting from SCC.  HAAHHAA

By someone that can't even do rudimentary arithmetic...

Eh, whatever.  Both threads are stale...  Or maybe that is me.

EDIT:  And Bone just e-kicked me in the nuts for not interpreting the info correctly.

Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: crttaz on November 26, 2009, 01:49:37 AM
We'll see how Hedi likes me responding back.

It seems she can quote an article just like Robert@bisimoto can about header exhaust theory.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: crttaz on November 26, 2009, 01:50:52 AM
Haha Bone got called out by a girl quoting from SCC.  HAAHHAA

You know that is Bisi's wife right?

OH BTW, EVERY Bisimoto D series header is custom built per justin@bisimoto on DSO.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: DmC on November 26, 2009, 03:44:50 AM
This thread sucks dick.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Joseph Davis on November 26, 2009, 04:23:35 AM
Yawn
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: crttaz on November 26, 2009, 05:12:10 AM
This thread sucks dick.

Shut up Chuck!
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Teg2boo on November 26, 2009, 11:14:53 AM
It this the formula of work?  I don't get the "F" at the end and why he  used an integral instead of deltaP*V like the reste of the formula.

 I see the potential and kinetic energy which is ok, what about the DeltaP*V dans F?

I don't understand the "F" because work is Force*distance, not only "F"...

Can someone explain this to me? I'm just curious...

 Maybe it's just because we don't use the same notation in French.


You wouldn't be able to understand his theories and idea even if he tried to explain them.

One basic formula is on the nose of the car......

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Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Joseph Davis on November 26, 2009, 11:27:17 AM
It this the formula of work?  I don't get the "F" at the end and why he  used an integral instead of deltaP*V like the reste of the formula.

 I see the potential and kinetic energy which is ok, what about the DeltaP*V dans F?

I don't understand the "F" because work is Force*distance, not only "F"...

Can someone explain this to me? I'm just curious...

 Maybe it's just because we don't use the same notation in French


It's simple.  It's a formula that is never, at any time, used in drag racing.  Dude just threw that on his car to be an elitist.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: crttaz on November 26, 2009, 03:41:26 PM
It this the formula of work?  I don't get the "F" at the end and why he  used an integral instead of deltaP*V like the reste of the formula.

 I see the potential and kinetic energy which is ok, what about the DeltaP*V dans F?

I don't understand the "F" because work is Force*distance, not only "F"...

Can someone explain this to me? I'm just curious...

 Maybe it's just because we don't use the same notation in French


It's simple.  It's a formula that is never, at any time, used in drag racing.  Dude just threw that on his car to be an elitist.

Then explain to me how a carburetor works.

Bernoulli + Benz = Carburetor
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: 92CXyD on November 26, 2009, 04:36:04 PM
It this the formula of work?  I don't get the "F" at the end and why he  used an integral instead of deltaP*V like the reste of the formula.

 I see the potential and kinetic energy which is ok, what about the DeltaP*V dans F?

I don't understand the "F" because work is Force*distance, not only "F"...

Can someone explain this to me? I'm just curious...

 Maybe it's just because we don't use the same notation in French.


You wouldn't be able to understand his theories and idea even if he tried to explain them.

One basic formula is on the nose of the car......

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F=the total lose due to friction.

This just a Bernoulli's equation for work.

Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Teg2boo on November 26, 2009, 05:15:32 PM
Oh, I got it.

I knew I've seen this equation before. It was in thermodynamic when I was in mechanical engineering.

If the fluid is incompressible you can remove the integral. There was no F in the equation tho...
 
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Whitey on November 26, 2009, 09:23:28 PM
If he does have a ph.d he should be teaching at a university not playing with 20 year old d16's.


This is an honest question and I would like an honest answer.


If I had a ph.d I would be teaching at a university and playing with 20 year old D's.   I don't know if I'd still be into cars though.   :yes:
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Random Hero on November 26, 2009, 09:28:53 PM
If he does have a ph.d he should be teaching at a university not playing with 20 year old d16's.


This is an honest question and I would like an honest answer.


If I had a ph.d I would be teaching at a university and playing with 20 year old D's.   I don't know if I'd still be into cars though.   :yes:


Lol ahh that would be great
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: MantisX on November 26, 2009, 10:23:43 PM

If I had a ph.d I would be teaching at a university and playing with 20 year old D's.   I don't know if I'd still be into cars though.   :yes:

I see what you did there.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Joseph Davis on November 26, 2009, 10:24:20 PM
PhD in chem = Craig Moates.  The dude knows ten times more than you and doesn't have to prove it.  His involvement in the car scene is a hobby as he gets flat out paid by a major oil company, and he has better things to do than whore the internet trying to sell his products.  Mostly because they sell themselves.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Whitey on November 26, 2009, 11:12:11 PM

If I had a ph.d I would be teaching at a university and playing with 20 year old D's.   I don't know if I'd still be into cars though.   :yes:

I see what you did there.



You win the prize?   ???
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Robb on November 27, 2009, 09:42:18 AM
Bump for a better thread than Spiker's build.  :P
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: hatchboy on November 27, 2009, 09:46:50 AM
Bump for a better thread than Spiker's build.  :P
BULLSHIT BULLSHIT
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Urban Indian on November 27, 2009, 10:11:43 AM

If I had a ph.d I would be teaching at a university and playing with 20 year old D's.   I don't know if I'd still be into cars though.   :yes:

I see what you did there.
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Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: turbob16hatch on November 28, 2009, 12:53:57 AM
well looks liek this thread has taken after 'bisi's . shits dead
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
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Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: hatchboy on November 28, 2009, 01:06:25 AM
fysh for president
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: potatodude on November 28, 2009, 01:13:44 AM
fysh for president
+1
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: SLPBird on November 28, 2009, 01:32:59 AM
Well done. 
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Joseph Davis on November 28, 2009, 01:34:23 AM
fysh for president
+1

+2


ITT we learn to add.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Robb on November 28, 2009, 03:38:40 PM
Excellent work fysh.  You deserve some sort of badge.  :P
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Foowee on November 29, 2009, 03:36:44 PM
I'm bald and Sadie isn't a super model.

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truth...
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: potatodude on November 29, 2009, 03:39:18 PM
Zing?
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: hatchboy on November 29, 2009, 03:49:31 PM
Dennis    5'9 130 lbs
Sadie      5'1  180 lbs

Good stats lol
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: SLPBird on November 29, 2009, 05:05:44 PM
I think I just threw up in my mouth a little... 
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: bigdaddyvtec on November 29, 2009, 05:56:47 PM
BEWBEEZ
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: random-strike on November 29, 2009, 06:00:37 PM
haha they made her pay $35 to get out of jail for not having a moped license
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Joseph Davis on November 29, 2009, 08:11:32 PM
Goddamn you, Dennis, I always suspected in my heart that you had a callous disregard for stop signs.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: DmC on November 29, 2009, 10:06:45 PM
LOLz no Moped license now thats funny. And yeah Joseph I do the look both ways and roll stop.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: widebody93 on November 30, 2009, 12:14:24 AM
I vouch for that Dennis, LOL classic Foowee  :yes:
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: chris on November 30, 2009, 03:37:26 AM
This thread would make no sense to an outsider
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: PhilStubbs on December 24, 2009, 09:39:19 PM
im surprised nobody posted anything about him hitting his goal. i dont remember the details, but i read somehere that he has hit 702whp
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Hotrodlincoln on December 24, 2009, 09:49:14 PM
He has three threads on the top of this board. Does he really deserve this much attention?
Hint: rhetorical
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: bigdaddyvtec on December 25, 2009, 02:56:19 AM
im surprised nobody posted anything about him hitting his goal. i dont remember the details, but i read somehere that he has hit 702whp

Doctored DP numbers
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: WPPF on December 25, 2009, 03:00:15 AM
He did a wheelie
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Joseph Davis on December 25, 2009, 03:24:21 AM
im surprised nobody posted anything about him hitting his goal.

He hasn't.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: PhilStubbs on December 25, 2009, 08:50:31 AM
Depends on how you look at it. If you don't care about dyno calibration he did.

I'm not convinced he could take that car to someone elses dyno and hit 700, but I'm sure he could produce a dyno sheet and that's all the nut swingers care about.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Joseph Davis on December 25, 2009, 10:46:34 AM
Depends on how you look at it. If you don't care about dyno calibration he did.

Really?  I mean, really?  Do you really think that's a point worth making?
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: PhilStubbs on December 25, 2009, 08:22:33 PM
Depends on how you look at it. If you don't care about dyno calibration he did.

Really?  I mean, really?  Do you really think that's a point worth making?

JDSARS

JD Sucks At Reading Sarcasm


I dont give 2 shits about his tainted results.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: bense on January 21, 2010, 11:05:48 AM
well, I tried.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: bigdaddyvtec on January 21, 2010, 12:05:10 PM
Ya we saw. Its nioce to see someone has the balls not to gargle his balls over there... LOL
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Corey on January 21, 2010, 02:06:35 PM
well, I tried.

did you get in trouble on honduh-tech for the shit you posted in his thread?

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Post by: 1fasthf on January 21, 2010, 02:36:00 PM
why wasnt bisi in haiti
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Post by: bigdaddyvtec on January 21, 2010, 02:46:46 PM
He was in the UK tuning...


Cmaon man hes not a Bad dude, nor a ... HEs a just crooked businessmen... ANY businessman who says they arent at least a bit full of it are full of it....
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Post by: Joseph Davis on January 21, 2010, 09:03:34 PM
ANY businessman who says they arent at least a bit full of it are full of it....

I give your mom the business when I'm full of it.


zing!
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Post by: ApexSilver06MR on February 02, 2010, 01:57:58 AM
bump..

i opened up super street at walmart today.  looks like 389 @ 13psi

I think thats a bit shy of the 700
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: chris on February 02, 2010, 01:59:33 AM
Transmission blew up. Car caught on fire. Piss went everywhere.
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Post by: Joseph Davis on February 02, 2010, 03:07:03 AM
You guys are a bunch of cocks.  Bisi called me three weeks ago and told me that the Super Street article was a two parter.  Hold your fucking horses, the 702 whp full fucking mojo wagon will be in next month's magazine.  The whole lot of you like to run off and bash a guy at the drop of a hat.   >:(
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Post by: 88dx on February 02, 2010, 03:25:18 AM
JD are you trying to say ur not a cock  ???
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Post by: Joseph Davis on February 02, 2010, 03:31:09 AM
JD are you trying to say ur not a cock  ???

Sir, I would never say that.  What I am saying is that I am not a liar.
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Post by: widebody93 on February 02, 2010, 06:00:26 AM
Thats still a open ended sentence Yoseph
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Post by: danz on February 02, 2010, 03:24:20 PM
saying and doing, two very different things. 
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Post by: PhilStubbs on February 02, 2010, 08:41:57 PM
from what i have read, he has already "made the power". im sure it will be in next months issue. 383whp isnt too bad on only 13psi with a D if his readings arent tainted
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: bigdaddyvtec on February 02, 2010, 10:40:32 PM
id like a couple pulls on his magic dyno
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: PhilStubbs on February 04, 2010, 07:57:13 AM
1KWHP!!!!!!!!!!

lol
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Post by: bigdaddyvtec on February 04, 2010, 01:29:18 PM
1 meeeeeeelion whpzzzzzzzz
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Post by: 97Econobox on February 04, 2010, 03:10:39 PM
man for a dude everyone hates he sure does get lots o Pages huh.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: bigdaddyvtec on February 04, 2010, 03:25:46 PM
SO do you, but hey....  Jew


I missed the lil jew!!!!
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: 97Econobox on February 04, 2010, 04:00:03 PM
SO do you, but hey....  Jew


I missed the lil jew!!!!

that made no sense.  I will just go ahead and think you said something derogatory about my mother and her sexual activities.  Please allow me to retort.

FUCK YOU!!!
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Post by: Jorsher on February 04, 2010, 04:14:50 PM
Too lazy to read the entire thread, but this made me lulz:

Quote
At the award ceremony, I was approached by an employee of the winning team, and asked why we chose to run n/a. I simply answered that we wanted to build an engine in the true spirit of the competition: a reliable, streetable, chassis friendly engine. I guess that answer was not good enough, as he responded, "didn't you build all motor, because that is all you know?"

 ::)
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Post by: bigdaddyvtec on February 04, 2010, 04:17:33 PM
SO do you, but hey....  Jew


I missed the lil jew!!!!

that made no sense.  I will just go ahead and think you said something derogatory about my mother and her sexual activities.  Please allow me to retort.

FUCK YOU!!!






Save it for your momma son
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Post by: special ed on February 04, 2010, 04:41:09 PM
This thread would make no sense to an outsider

im glad to know just enough about d-series and boosting to get a chuckle out of it.  at some point, i will read the whole thing.
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Post by: PhilStubbs on February 04, 2010, 07:54:59 PM
man for a dude everyone hates he sure does get lots o Pages huh.

i actually dont hate him. he has done some amazing things, turbo parts just dont happen to be any of them
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Post by: turbob16hatch on March 02, 2010, 03:51:32 AM
So are the numbers real from his thread on gay-tech?
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Post by: colt45 on March 02, 2010, 03:59:04 AM
hey hey heeeeeey

smoke weed everyday
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Post by: bigdaddyvtec on March 02, 2010, 04:04:58 AM
Jesus fuck I just wasted 5 minutes reading that article... What a pile of infomercial shit....  724???  Ya right... That article was fucking hilarious
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Post by: turbob16hatch on March 02, 2010, 04:05:43 AM
some one scan the graphs, unless they didn't post any.
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Post by: chris on March 02, 2010, 05:32:28 AM
So the car should lay down mid 9's with that power pretty easy. It will run mid 11's.
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Post by: Corey on March 02, 2010, 05:39:10 AM
he already pulled out the  "many factors" excuse the first time he got called out. so when it doesnt trap what its supposed to he will claim wrong gearing, bad traction, did shift right, wouldnt launch right, at too many cheeseburgers before the race etc.

my guess is he will never take it to the track or he will clain it ran x time nd show no proof. thats all the hondatards need anyways.
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Post by: PhilStubbs on March 02, 2010, 07:55:56 AM
considering his times and speeds that he has been doing N/A for years, he really has no excuse for that car to not run high 9's, even though im sure he will come up with something
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Post by: danz on March 02, 2010, 05:56:03 PM
considering his times and speeds that he has been doing N/A for years, he really has no excuse for that car to not run high 9's, even though im sure he will come up with something

high 9s with 700+??

if i was able to make 700 plus i would be running way better times than that.

i hope to hit high 9's this year on my D.  and i know for SURE i wont have anywhere close to 700.





as a related side note; that robert faggot from GE is a complete MORON.  that guy makes himself out to be a fuckin down syndrome red headed step child.  he must be 17 years old
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Post by: turbob16hatch on March 02, 2010, 05:59:24 PM
haha, the trans will never hold up to that shit. I have seen d series grenade way before 700whp. He will never be adle to run it at full boost.
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Post by: Joseph Davis on March 02, 2010, 06:04:38 PM
haha, the trans will never hold up to that shit. I have seen d series grenade way before 700whp. He will never be adle to run it at full boost.

Quit defending Bisi
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Post by: chris on March 02, 2010, 06:05:35 PM
That robert dude is like 40.


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Post by: turbob16hatch on March 02, 2010, 06:12:34 PM
That robert dude is like 40.




No way he's that old? He acts like a kid trying to help out a "buddies" business get sales. I have never seen a company or online sales guy for a company rep a business so hard. He act's as bisi's personal defence crew.

haha, the trans will never hold up to that shit. I have seen d series grenade way before 700whp. He will never be adle to run it at full boost.

Quit defending Bisi

  O0

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Post by: danz on March 05, 2010, 02:01:18 PM
That robert dude is like 40.




No way he's that old? He acts like a kid trying to help out a "buddies" business get sales. I have never seen a company or online sales guy for a company rep a business so hard. He act's as bisi's personal defence crew.


fair enough, lots of retarded people live past 40.  i dont see why he cant survive that long.
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Post by: Joseph Davis on June 01, 2010, 11:21:21 AM
bump for track times.
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Post by: 98vtec on June 03, 2010, 12:51:51 AM
Rack Em  Willie (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGxEKA9B0S8&feature=related#lq-lq2-hq-vhq)
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Post by: chris on June 03, 2010, 12:55:03 AM
car ran 8's
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Post by: rudebwoy on June 03, 2010, 04:25:03 AM
Rack Em  Willie (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGxEKA9B0S8&feature=related#lq-lq2-hq-vhq)
very sad. that man needs help.
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Post by: ryan89crx on June 04, 2010, 12:46:13 PM
bump for track times.
Did you see that he switched to a Spec twin disk, lol. Apparently the original clutch didn't hold the power, kind of like everyone said it wouldn't.
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Post by: Joseph Davis on June 04, 2010, 12:49:05 PM
bump for track times.
Did you see that he switched to a Spec twin disk, lol. Apparently the original clutch didn't hold the power, kind of like everyone said it wouldn't.

You mean the Action single disc he posted pictures of, that they swore up and down was a twin disc after being called on it a lot?
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Post by: ryan89crx on June 04, 2010, 12:49:58 PM
bump for track times.
Did you see that he switched to a Spec twin disk, lol. Apparently the original clutch didn't hold the power, kind of like everyone said it wouldn't.

You mean the Action single disc he posted pictures of, that they swore up and down was a twin disc after being called on it a lot?
That would be it  :yes:
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Post by: bigdaddyvtec on June 04, 2010, 12:51:54 PM
bump for track times.
Did you see that he switched to a Spec twin disk, lol. Apparently the original clutch didn't hold the power, kind of like everyone said it wouldn't.


Didnt see that one coming   ::)

The only thing thats bothered me from the jump is its like hes the first guy to ever make power with a turbo....


Whatever.


Im still waiting for the mid nine second et and 155 plus trap indicative of said power claimed.
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Post by: jabberwock on June 04, 2010, 01:55:07 PM
Spiker what you fail to realize is he's a visionary who is doing something no one has ever done.. ever.
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Post by: bigdaddyvtec on June 04, 2010, 01:56:03 PM
Thats like saying i invented being fat.....  ;D
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Post by: jabberwock on June 04, 2010, 01:56:45 PM
Wow haha that got me.  Good one sir.
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Post by: Joseph Davis on June 04, 2010, 02:32:41 PM
Thats like saying i invented being fat.....  ;D

You definitely reinvented it! :noel:
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Post by: bigdaddyvtec on June 04, 2010, 03:18:40 PM
Nah... SHit I havent even Perfected  it, although I definately own the word for now at least  :O)
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Post by: keelay on June 04, 2010, 03:23:31 PM
Manual seems to have it down to a science.

(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.worldrecordsacademy.org%2Fhuman%2Fimg%2FManuelUribe1.jpg&hash=16872e51585d2fbe43418d3b3ce177de671356c5)
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Post by: Joseph Davis on June 04, 2010, 04:06:00 PM
Nah... SHit I havent even Perfected  it, although I definately own the word for now at least  :O)

For now at least? 

I had a guy I used to hang out with years ago walk into the shop last week looking for me, "tell him its an old friend."  I kinda looked at him blankly for a second until he started talking and I recognized his voice.  And I quote, "Derek, what the fuck happened to you?  You used to be fat."  Apparently he gets that a lot nowadays.

It's a bad road, Spiker.  None of your friends will recognize you. You'll be all alone in the world, without even yourself to hold onto.  DON'T DO IT.
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Post by: ratcityrex on June 04, 2010, 06:57:30 PM
Im sure no mater how big or small spiker gets, you will always be able to tell who he is by his silky smooth mouth.   :-*
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Post by: bigdaddyvtec on June 04, 2010, 06:59:35 PM
Are you trying to imply that my vibrant personality is easily picked off by my abrasive verbiage???
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Post by: ryan89crx on June 04, 2010, 07:03:27 PM
Or maybe your face vagina is just that good
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Post by: ratcityrex on June 04, 2010, 07:27:01 PM
Or maybe your face vagina is just that good


 :yes: :noel:
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Post by: bigdaddyvtec on June 04, 2010, 07:31:40 PM
Or maybe your face vagina is just that good

Nah... I serve the cock to bitches and bitch ass niggles... Dont get it fucked up.
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Post by: LS1pwNzJ00 on June 04, 2010, 08:13:09 PM
JD is right, no one will recognize you and your friends will stop hanging out with you because they dont look as good by comparison anymore. Everyone needs a token obese friends, just like the token black friend and the token half white half asian hella cool gets all the bitches and bangs your girlfriends and moms, friend.  yeaa bitch   O0 :noel:
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Post by: Joseph Davis on June 04, 2010, 08:23:57 PM
Or maybe your face vagina is just that good
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Post by: 92CXyD on June 05, 2010, 01:02:18 AM
Just picked up the latest SS mag. for JFK's D-series cam test. Some good info there just wish a delta cam and maybe a Webb cam was included. And the dyno charts were a little small to see clearly.

Oh and Jame's name kept getting messed up. SS mag called him Jason instead.  LOL  ;D

There is another 'Bisi article talking about how a bunch of people was doubting him. And that his car is totally legit.  :?:


Oh also picked up a D-Sport mag good article on how to find a good dyno for tuning for drag use. Not bad some formulas and diagrams.

I like diagrams and formulas. :yes: ;D :noel:
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Post by: Corey on June 05, 2010, 03:14:22 AM
Quote
I will be happy with anything she gives me. I would love to get close to my Insight's MPH even with the heavier weight, not so ideal gear ratios, and higher coefficient of drag that the wagon has. Only time will tell.

yea hes already setting up the excuses. LOL

not so ideal gear ratios? dudes a fucking bullshitter
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Post by: keelay on June 05, 2010, 03:18:54 AM
Excuses? Yes, abundant.
But a wise man always leaves himself a way out.
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Post by: Joseph Davis on June 05, 2010, 03:20:05 AM
People have run mid 10s at the mid 130s off of low 400s and his un-ideal gearing.

His Cd isn't much different than a normal Civic.  Frontal area is another story, but you'll have to pardon his naive nature he doesn't know what that means.
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Post by: Foowee on June 05, 2010, 03:12:51 PM
Just picked up the latest SS mag. for JFK's D-series cam test. Some good info there just wish a delta cam and maybe a Webb cam was included. And the dyno charts were a little small to see clearly.

Oh and Jame's name kept getting messed up. SS mag called him Jason instead.  LOL  ;D

There is another 'Bisi article talking about how a bunch of people was doubting him. And that his car is totally legit.  :?:


Oh also picked up a D-Sport mag good article on how to find a good dyno for tuning for drag use. Not bad some formulas and diagrams.

I like diagrams and formulas. :yes: ;D :noel:

Can you see if the charts are crossing at 5252?  I can't tell from these pics...

(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi4.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fy144%2Fbisimoto%2FSuperStreet_CamshaftArticle1July10.jpg&hash=417784b4c3bc44b1378f4043e1c84ef27274225b)

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(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi4.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fy144%2Fbisimoto%2FSuperStreet_CamshaftArticle4July10.jpg&hash=1ed1cfb2e7eff9bc4cdae8cd5fde9b360807ef6d)
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Post by: jabberwock on June 05, 2010, 03:18:18 PM
Depends on the Y scales.  If they're the same scale then they should be.
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Post by: SDRAWKCAB on June 05, 2010, 03:47:03 PM
What I don't understand, is your using a vtec motor to begin with so why fuck with the non vtec lobs. I mean You will never fall out of VTAK when racing so whats the point of fucking up the idle and screwing gas mileage?

Its a honda, there is no reason to try to make low end torque on a 1.6

Granted I stuck with a non vtak head becuase Im all about d16a6 love.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: 92CXyD on June 06, 2010, 01:31:09 AM
Just picked up the latest SS mag. for JFK's D-series cam test. Some good info there just wish a delta cam and maybe a Webb cam was included. And the dyno charts were a little small to see clearly.

Oh and Jame's name kept getting messed up. SS mag called him Jason instead.  LOL  ;D

There is another 'Bisi article talking about how a bunch of people was doubting him. And that his car is totally legit.  :?:


Oh also picked up a D-Sport mag good article on how to find a good dyno for tuning for drag use. Not bad some formulas and diagrams.

I like diagrams and formulas. :yes: ;D :noel:

Can you see if the charts are crossing at 5252?  I can't tell from these pics...

(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi4.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fy144%2Fbisimoto%2FSuperStreet_CamshaftArticle1July10.jpg&hash=417784b4c3bc44b1378f4043e1c84ef27274225b)

(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi4.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fy144%2Fbisimoto%2FSuperStreet_CamshaftArticle2July10.jpg&hash=8f05b2799c61947f9d28d559442e5cc53618db4d)

(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi4.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fy144%2Fbisimoto%2FSuperStreet_CamshaftArticle3July10.jpg&hash=3dd531e736b3178b88cf9557ce59458813de7e98)

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Yeah they look to be crossing 5250 rpms but it is still hard to read those charts even in the mag. I may just scan these at my work. ;D
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Post by: bigdaddyvtec on June 06, 2010, 01:35:34 AM
Nolan trhat was at the dyno day with the Vityara and 57 trim... Just made 487 and 384 tq on meth and puimp on his vitara D on 34 PSI and a 30R today tuned by James...
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Post by: ratcityrex on June 06, 2010, 01:54:31 AM
Nolan trhat was at the dyno day with the Vityara and 57 trim... Just made 487 and 384 tq on meth and puimp on his vitara D on 34 PSI and a 30R today tuned by James...

Fucken sick!
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: narfdanarf on June 06, 2010, 02:48:19 AM
Nolan trhat was at the dyno day with the Vityara and 57 trim... Just made 487 and 384 tq on meth and puimp on his vitara D on 34 PSI and a 30R today tuned by James...

I was there all day today, car sounded healthy that's for sure.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: bigdaddyvtec on June 06, 2010, 03:09:36 AM
shit i almost came down....
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Foowee on June 06, 2010, 07:37:48 AM
What I don't understand, is your using a vtec motor to begin with so why fuck with the non vtec lobs. I mean You will never fall out of VTAK when racing so whats the point of fucking up the idle and screwing gas mileage?

Its a honda, there is no reason to try to make low end torque on a 1.6

Granted I stuck with a non vtak head becuase Im all about d16a6 love.

So you can brag about how your cam has so much overlap it only pulls 10 inches and all the rb's will be impressed with your ground thumping idle...
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: jabberwock on June 06, 2010, 08:40:11 AM
(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg25.imageshack.us%2Fimg25%2F5890%2Fmmmmnaughtydemotivation.jpg&hash=ebd12ab83cc2d2e7e564b7364e2c086d3675caad)
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: turbob16hatch on June 06, 2010, 08:01:53 PM
fuck he has another video out, such a douche.

Bisimoto Insight secret dyno test session: over 415whp (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Mpgmy9LhZA&feature=player_embedded#lq-lq2-hq-vhq)
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: jabberwock on June 06, 2010, 08:29:42 PM
His method of speech is very Nigerian.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Joseph Davis on June 06, 2010, 09:02:52 PM
fuck he has another video out, such a douche.

Bisimoto Insight secret dyno test session: over 415whp (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Mpgmy9LhZA&feature=player_embedded#lq-lq2-hq-vhq)


Two words; HOMOSEXUAL LIAR
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Joseph Davis on June 06, 2010, 09:39:34 PM
His method of speech is very Nigerian.



(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg94.imageshack.us%2Fimg94%2F4649%2Fbisirealprince.jpg&hash=ca40437dbfb0cd1cb4753db22f7cc2120bf77ac9)
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Post by: JACER63 on June 06, 2010, 09:41:07 PM
funny^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  ;D
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: LS1pwNzJ00 on June 06, 2010, 09:42:57 PM
Why anyone is on that nigerian snake oil cam sellin niggers dick is beyond me.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: jabberwock on June 06, 2010, 09:44:01 PM
Crower NA hot cam, has anyone breathed on one?
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Joseph Davis on June 06, 2010, 10:04:16 PM
Crower NA hot cam, has anyone breathed on one?

Crower 2 NA, yes, in a RT4WD 1.7 liter stroker.  We're supposed to go to the dyno when he upgrades turbos.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: jabberwock on June 06, 2010, 10:32:28 PM
Ok this is kind of weird.. came out strange.  I noticed something about Bisi.  When he Nigerias himself in videos (sells something very hard), he makes the damnedest expressions..

Let's play I Spy...

56k not ok







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Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: jabberwock on June 06, 2010, 10:33:21 PM
I Spy...


a Nigerian
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: TheMadScientist on June 06, 2010, 10:58:03 PM
fuck he has another video out, such a douche.

Bisimoto Insight secret dyno test session: over 415whp (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Mpgmy9LhZA&feature=player_embedded#lq-lq2-hq-vhq)


So is that one of you guys commenting or is that wilber guy really that retarded?
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: jabberwock on June 06, 2010, 10:58:58 PM
I have no idea who that fucking tard is.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Joseph Davis on June 06, 2010, 10:59:47 PM
LOLOLOLOLOL
















Actually, I thought Wilbur's comments entirely apropo.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: potatodude on June 07, 2010, 12:30:22 AM
You have been blocked by the owner of this video.  :'(
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: flat_black on June 07, 2010, 12:45:26 AM
it was 376wtq tubby... hope the sleeves hold up  :noel:
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: turbob16hatch on June 07, 2010, 12:45:57 AM
You have been blocked by the owner of this video.  :'(

Same here
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Joseph Davis on June 07, 2010, 12:57:46 AM
You have been blocked by the owner of this video.  :'(

Then quit being such a rudeass faggot.   >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: d112crzy on June 07, 2010, 01:16:12 AM
Crower NA hot cam, has anyone breathed on one?

Crower 2 NA, yes, in a RT4WD 1.7 liter stroker.  We're supposed to go to the dyno when he upgrades turbos.

I've had a chance to play with a y8 and the Crower2 NA cam. It sucks donkey balls in daily driving activities, but it does pretty damn good in the high rpm's.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Joseph Davis on June 07, 2010, 01:27:28 AM
I've done a stock Y8 and Crower 2 NA, it loped yet idled smooth at 750 rpms, seemed to make great power across the board.

I think there's a lot left randomly on the table from not adjusting cam gears.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: d112crzy on June 07, 2010, 01:34:33 AM
I've done a stock Y8 and Crower 2 NA, it loped yet idled smooth at 750 rpms, seemed to make great power across the board.

I think there's a lot left randomly on the table from not adjusting cam gears.

I'm sure this was part of the issue, asides from the overly huge hotside(for a street car) it had. It was definitely a very fun highway car. It ripped like a raped ape on 15lbs(highest I tuned it). Then he turned it up to 25+ and the motor went boom and tried blaming it on me. Still on pump, no less.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: Joseph Davis on June 07, 2010, 01:37:16 AM
Ouch.


People suck sometimes.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: jabberwock on June 07, 2010, 02:00:29 PM
(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg134.imageshack.us%2Fimg134%2F5067%2Fcoolface.jpg&hash=3b16055a11d9b1f08fc7faaa460f91ec3ae7c99a)
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: bigdaddyvtec on June 08, 2010, 01:28:22 AM
OH NOEzzz t3H G1ng3rz Has no Solzezorz22
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: 97Econobox on June 08, 2010, 03:47:30 PM
Id fuck her freckles off.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: ratcityrex on June 08, 2010, 04:06:29 PM
Id fuck her freckles off.

I would sure try too!! Bitch is hot!!
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: bigdaddyvtec on June 08, 2010, 04:36:37 PM
im missing the hotness
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: 97Econobox on June 08, 2010, 04:59:23 PM
are her knees too sharp for you?

or does she appear to have a cheeseburger deficiency?
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: bigdaddyvtec on June 08, 2010, 05:16:00 PM
are her knees too sharp for you?

or does she appear to have a cheeseburger deficiency?


I cant see her face behind all the spots
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: SDRAWKCAB on June 08, 2010, 10:58:03 PM
What I don't understand, is your using a vtec motor to begin with so why fuck with the non vtec lobs. I mean You will never fall out of VTAK when racing so whats the point of fucking up the idle and screwing gas mileage?

Its a honda, there is no reason to try to make low end torque on a 1.6

Granted I stuck with a non vtak head because Im all about d16a6 love.

So you can brag about how your cam has so much overlap it only pulls 10 inches and all the rb's will be impressed with your ground thumping idle...

No because I want a built d16a6. mad tyte jdm vtak is for queers.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: PhilStubbs on June 09, 2010, 06:53:02 AM
Underboob is the new cleavage
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: kgx on June 09, 2010, 04:20:54 PM
His method of speech is very Nigerian.

he sounds like billy mays and dr. 90210 had a magical black love child.
Title: Re: oh boy.... MOST POWAR EVERZ
Post by: 92CXyD on June 09, 2010, 05:01:23 PM
(https://realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv303%2Fc0mpl3x%2F1266475392900.jpg&hash=db0ed63a69a27f6f0a8c0d53a164a52444e84e0e)

This tread more of this and less 'Bisi-isms  ;D